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Barnstar and Award Proposals (BAP) is where Wikipedians offer and discuss ideas regarding the "standard" Barnstars, WikiProject's awards, Other Related Awards and Personal User Awards, which may include, but are not limited to: creation of a new barnstar, altering or changing an existing barnstar or award, or delisting an award entirely.

Ideas and their discussions take the following guidelines into account. Please note that these guidelines are not strict rules, chiseled in stone. Rather, they are guidelines agreed upon by the community as a way to standardize our approach to barnstars and awards. If you have questions, WikiProject Misplaced Pages Awards is a group of volunteers who help guide these pages.

Proposals In Progress

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Babel Barnstar for Translation

Are you a designer? We could use a Babel Barnstar for those jumping in to help translate pages; it should incorporate the Tower of Babel into the design. I have received speedy and gracious help in the past 48 hours, as my new international user pages at de:wiki, fr:wiki, nl:wiki, no:wiki, pt:wiki, it:wiki, fi:wiki, nn:wiki, da:wiki, have been translated by users at those sites. I was quite astonished. The German trans. was provided by a brand new user; his work on my page were his 2nd and 3rd edits. He didn't even have a page of his own yet! Needless to say, I have handed out many generic barnstars; the recipients have been deighted to find them on their pages.

When my pages at ja:wiki, zh:wiki, sv:wiki (done and awarded), pl:wiki, es:wiki and ru:wiki are translated, I would love to have a new Babel Barnstar ready for them.

I don't have good enough software to create a high quality image, but I will play around and place an example here. This award doesn't have to be a barnstar, of coure; I could simply adapt an existing Babel picture into an award. But a Babel Barnstar would be great.

Anyone wanna jump in?

paul klenk , International Man of Mystery 12:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I think this was proposed before, I need to find the discussion, though. Zach (Sound Off) 17:45, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, Zach, let's you and me stay on it and together we'll get it done. paul klenk 18:45, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

This was the previous debate: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/Archive3#Interlingual-Interwiki_barnstar. Zach (Sound Off) 18:50, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Zach, here above is a rough draft of something I came up with. I'll use this as "my" barnstar/babel award while something better is being created or considered. paul klenk 19:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Fine by me, but since many of our Barnstar regulars are away, this has to be unofficial for now. Zach (Sound Off) 19:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, certainly. I have added it to the Personal user awards page. paul klenk

I like the idea for this Barnstar. The previous discussion yielded no results because people gradually lost interest and abandoned the discussion — which unfortunately happens quite often around here (I was myself away from this forum back when the original proposal was discussed, and so I never participated in it). I support this idea, and hope it will get through this time around. In fact, I could propose (or repropose) an image that was suggested in the original discussion, which I'm posting here now. Incidentally, I'll be leaving on a 20-day wikibreak and should be back on the 23rd or the 24th, so I probably won't be able to post here again (in fact, this one might very well be my last post before my break). I hope I'll see this award instated when I return. Cheers, Redux 00:37, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and suggestions for the name: The Babelic Barnstar, or The Barnstar of WikiBabel, or The Babel Barnstar, or even (and finally): The Barnstar of Babel. If I had to choose from these, I'd go with the first one (The Babelic Barnstar). Redux 00:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I personally like the Babelic Barnstar. Zach (Sound Off) 00:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I thought it had a nice ring to it. The other suggestions were just so there'd be more to choose from (we never know it someone else will be offering other possible names). What about the image? I know it sort of "favors" five countries, but still... If someone has the skills (and the patience), it could also be interesting to have a Barnstar inside a circle, which would be made of flags — and that would accommodate many more flags than this image does... Redux 00:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

But the problem is that so many languages are not represented by a flag, so that might not be possible. Zach (Sound Off) 01:04, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

That's true, but it might not be possible to come up with something absolutely universal, that will evoke all languages and no countries specifically. Let's see what other images will come up in this discussion, but if nothing better comes along, we just might have to settle for a representative amount of flags. If we were to abandon the whole flag notion, perhaps the Biblical tower itself might be a good idea, but I didn't think that Paul's first proposition would be ideal, mixing the Tower of Babel with a contemporary building — especially since, if we don't want to evoke any country (ies), it would be difficult to create composites with world famous skyscrapers, which are normally closely associated with their countries. Maybe we could have a Barnstar (or the Misplaced Pages logo, if this is not to be a Barnstar) hovering over the Tower of Babel, like some sort of guiding star? Redux 02:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Or just have a photo of the drawing of Babel and call it a Wikiaward. We do not have to stick a barnstar on everything. On a side note, it is very, very hard to create official Barnstars now. Zach (Sound Off) 02:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

That could be. Although if we were to just take a drawing of the Tower and call it our award, it might be too direct an association. I would not object it though. I believe it could work. If we throw out the flag thing, it does get difficult to work in a Barnstar in a convincing, interesting manner. It would be nice to get more input on this though, but this forum is just too unstable in terms of the people participating in discussions. On the other hand, it's actually somewhat positive that we might also be getting to a point where we don't need to create new Barnstars all the time. It wouldn't be useful to end up with tens of Barnstars that no one can keep track of — err, actually we are already there, so let's just say that it's best if doesn't get too much worse.
In this case, though, if Paul agrees with the idea of just having the image of the Tower of Babel be the actual award, we might be able to wrap this at it, unless someone else (or Paul himself) comes up with a significant suggestion for a third way. If not, we could just call it The Babelic Award, or The Babelic WikiAward, or The Award of Babel, or even the simpler The Babel Award. Redux 03:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Two things:

1. Is there any particular reason why the award (whatever form it takes) must contain a reference to the word "Babel"? As a Biblical reference, this seems rather counterintuitive (given that God's act was the exact opposite of a translator's goal), and as a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference, it's awfully specific and somewhat arcane. I much prefer the previously proposed "Interlingual Barnstar."

2. Of the image candidates from the earlier discussion, this one (by Sango123) is my favorite:

That's beautiful, and it conveys an inclusive, "worldwide" connotation. —Lifeisunfair 04:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, at this point everything is up for discussion/consideration. The image looks good too. And there's no reason why it would "have to" be called "Babel something". But I thought that the word "Babel" was completely usable: 1) Because of Misplaced Pages:Babel, which is a highly visible and successful project, and which uses the word and, AFAIK, no one has complained about it being too Biblical or anything (at least nothing that was serious enough to warrant a revision of the project's name; or am I wrong?). 2) And this is part of the reason why "Babel" can be used with ease, it's that, although originating in a Biblical story, "Babel" has grown passed the Biblical sense, it has become idiomatic (much like saying "good Samaritan", or "throwing the first rock"). Basically, I see no problems in using "Babel" on account of it being too Christian, or because of God's intent in the Biblical story. Redux 04:36, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

As Paul notes below, the Biblical reference is from the Old Testament, so it's associated with both Judaism and Christianity. (For the record, I'm Jewish.) I'm familiar with Misplaced Pages:Babel (and I don't object to fact that the origin of its name is Biblical in nature, nor would I object to a Misplaced Pages project name that references a different religion's holy scripture), but its purpose (dividing people's user pages into various language categories) more logically (IMHO) relates to the word "Babel."

As for "Babel" becoming idiomatic, I'll take your word for that. I haven't personally encountered its use beyond the Biblical connotation, the related Douglas Adams connotation (which actually fits the "translation" theme, but is not directly referenced) and the aforementioned (and equally related) Misplaced Pages connotation.

Though I hadn't thought about it, the fact that the Biblical reference is Judeo-Christian in nature is a valid consideration for an award that's intended to extend to other languages' Wikipedias (some of which are used predominantly by people of other religions). I always welcome exposure to outside cultures, but I suppose that this could be perceived as an endorsement of one set of religions over all others. (I wouldn't view it in that context, but others might.)

My primary concern, however, is that I don't perceive the "Babel" reference as evocative of the concept of "translation." The "multiple languages" element certainly is present, but I'm of the opinion that these awards should be assigned the most straightforward, descriptive, unambiguous names possible. (Even "The Translator's Barnstar" would be sensible.)

Of course, all of this is merely my 2¢. —Lifeisunfair 12:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

From paul klenk

Thank you all for rejoining this discussion. It is a pleasure to hear your ideas. My opinions:

• Keep the name simple, like "Babel Barnstar". "Babelic Barnstar" sounds a bit precious or pretentious. "Barnstar of WikiBabel" is okay, only if the term "WikiBabel" (short for Misplaced Pages:Babel) is in widespread use here; if it isn't, let's not coin a neologism for an award. If WikiBabel is in use, let's put in a "wiki" colon: "Wiki:Babel".
• Sango's globe image is really beautiful, and my favorite. The "rotating globe" as a classroom tool also reflects the educational aspect of Misplaced Pages. And the "earth" connotes the idea in the Genesis text of dispersing people "over the whole earth" (see my aside, below).
• Do not use flags; they confuse countries with languages. Misplaced Pages does not have "country" sites, we have "language" sites, and we want to protect this idea. Even "made-up" flags or "international" flags confuse this issue. This is a language award.
• Do not use the U.N. laurels; it confuses our mission with theirs, and appears to pay homage to it, and it (again) appears on its flag. The U.N. is a council of representative countries (again, Babel is about languages, not countries). The U.N. is controversial, it is political, it is corrupt, it has strong loyalists and detractors. It is too much-loved and much-hated to appear in "official" WP anything. (Sorry, Redux, if my comments are not very diplomatic -- I actually think the image itself is quite beautiful and well executed, and am glad you shared it.  :-))
• A tongue would also be a great icon for language, but I don't have the time or skill to create something, and I like the globe too much. I would love to see a Misplaced Pages with a sense of humor get creative with it.
• "Babel" is okay; don't worry about its Biblical roots.
  • An aside: Actually, Babel is not originally Christian, per se, but Jewish, as the account appeared in Genesis 11. Regarding God's intent as "opposite" of a translator: That's a very cool observation, Life, and I never thought of it that way. However, in the Biblical account, God's actual intent in confusing language was to scatter everyone so the entire globe would be populated. It was the mechanism to do this. God had actually commanded mankind to do scatter ("be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth"), but mankind disobeyed Him, and did the opposite -- he gathered together in one place ...("lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth..."), on the Babel plain where its eponymous tower was being built. By confusing the languages, God forced everyone to split up into little groups and scurry to find their own exclusive homelands ("...And from there the LORD dispersed them over the face of all the earth..."). Ironically, the desire to translate the Bible for world use has made Christians very large players in the historial practice of translating languages. So now the Babel account (as part of the Bible) is now the most translated text in human history. Biblical translators have not only broken much ground by creating many of the first and highest quality translations, they have also helped create many written languages for people groups who never before had a written language or alphabet. This was in response to another command, this one by Jesus Christ, given to his Jewish followers: "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation..."
• I will continue to use my creation as a Personal user award (it is now in the gallery). Since I am from New York City, I added the Chrysler building. If others want to use this from time to time, feel free. I apologize to anyone in advance who objects to its use of the barnstar; I will make it clear when presenting it that is is mine, not WP's. And do stop by some of my language sites; the translations provided by others are very cool. You can launch from my user page. paul klenk 09:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

1. I strongly agree that the image should convey a "global" connotation, not an "international" one. What better likeness than that of a globe? And indeed, that's one of the nicest looking Barnstar images that I've seen.

2. Note that I referred not to God's "intent," but to God's "act." Both, however, relate to the concept of separation, which directly opposes the objective of translation. It's true that the Bible has played a significant role in the translation and development of written languages, but the "Babel" reference is considerably more specific. —Lifeisunfair 12:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm almost leaving, but still have time for one last comment. So:
1) The globe image looks great to me.
2) Indeed, my reference to Babel as being Christian (excluding the Jewish origin) was more due to the fact that it was late when I was writing that. Certainly, if the religious connotation may become a problem, it's best to avoid it altogether. And indeed, it is a complicating factor that the purpose of the award is to recognize those who help people understand each other better, not divide and create confusion (as it happened in the Biblical Babel).
on a cultural note, it's a somewhat common expression, at least in my experience, to say, for instance, of a place where there's people from all kinds of backgrounds/walks of life: this is a Babel of XXX.
3)I don't quite have the time to do the research now, but if we want to find a name that escapes the obvious (as in The Translator Award/Barnstar), perhaps we could look for, say, a famous tool of translation, or maybe some individual who might have become famous for speaking an unsually large number of languages (I know of a Lebanese naturalized Brazilian guy who speaks 52 languages). Something along those lines...
I'll check back when I return from my break (unless someone posts here within the next half hour). Regards, Redux 16:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

If we wanted to incorporate a famous tool of translation, the Rosetta Stone would be an appropriate choice. —Lifeisunfair 23:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Huh? What did you people do when I was out? +_+ Just one day and it measures 4 full-screens????? Deryck C. 16:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate the concern/wish to avoid use of the word Babel, but allow me to point out that 1] use of the word "Babel" is already fully established and widespread on Misplaced Pages, with respect to which language people speak, so it is apropos, and 2] it has fabulous euphonic appeal ("Babel Barnstar"). Having said that, of course I would not be offended if another word were used. paul klenk

As I mentioned, the current use of the word "Babel" on Misplaced Pages is fairly consistent with the Biblical connotation, because it refers to a means of dividing people's user pages by the languages that they read. The connection between the word "Babel" and multiple languages is obvious, but I don't believe that the concept of translation (or even enhanced communication) is conveyed. —Lifeisunfair 23:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I rather like the Rosetta version... although it's a tad big. --AllyUnion (talk) 06:33, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Ally, we also have the Barnstar of National Merit, which the image for the award is also about the size of this, maybe longer. The size does not bother me, it looks good. Zach (Sound Off) 13:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

For me, whenever I hear "Babel," I think more of the connotation of many languages than Old Testament that was doomed by God. So I don't have a problem with the use of that world. And Sango123's image is absolutely delicious, again. Too bad she's away right now. Bratsche 21:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

• Since it's pretty much all about translation, I'd be in favor of calling it the "translation barnstar". - Mgm| 22:31, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
• I'm also strongly in favour of the Rosetta stone idea, but agree with AllyUnion that at the moment it is a little large. However, since the original stone has broken edges, it would probably be OK if the embossed barnstar had some of its tips broken off too. The might make it easier to shrink the award down to standard barnstar size. -- Solipsist 15:04, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

  

How about simply shrinking down the existing design? —Lifeisunfair 15:39, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I like the Rosetta image, but the name Barnstar of Babel flows off the tongue better (I agree that "Babelic" is pretentious). Unfortunately, the rosetta image at its reduced size becomes somewhat difficult to tell what it's supposed to be... nae'blis _(talk) 16:32, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

"I like the Rosetta image, but the name Barnstar of Babel flows off the tongue better"

But does it logically convey the award's meaning? In my opinion, it doesn't.

"Unfortunately, the rosetta image at its reduced size becomes somewhat difficult to tell what it's supposed to be..."

This was a concern of mine when I created the image (which is why I initially used the 130x190 size). The 89x130 version looks fine on my screen (a 15" LCD at the relatively high 1400x1050 resolution — which means that it's smaller for me than it is for most people), but a compromise size (somewhere in between these two) certainly is an option. —Lifeisunfair 16:51, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Per the advice of Sango123 (who has contacted the participants in this discussion), I'd like to try to revive the proposal. Irrespective of which name or design is used, I feel that outstanding Misplaced Pages translators deserve a dedicated barnstar. I suggest that we conduct a straw poll to determine a consensus regarding the general concept, and then return to the specifics (and possibly conduct an additional vote) if sufficient backing exists. —Lifeisunfair 15:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Name

I am all for a "Interlingual Barnstar", the "babel" barnstar will give a confusing message. While as a wikipedian I clearly understand what we mean by babel, a foreigner would to say the least would be confused. --Cool Cat 10:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

How should it look

Flags, UN flag these all are nice but this doesnt cover the languages. Non UN member states do exist, this doesnt mean people dont live there. Besides countries and flags have changed in the past, also some languages dont come with a flag. We do not have a roman empier, there exists a Latin language wikipedia. The globe is nice because in the future 5000 years the "look" of the planet should not change much unless a planetary catastrophy happens and even then the barnstar wouldn't matter... :P. The Earth should rotate in the background so every part of earth is visible (to evade conflicts and to satisfy my desire for animations). --Cool Cat 10:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Both the Interlingual Barnstar (I would call it "multilingual barnstar") and the Rosetta Barnstar have their place. The latter seems appropriate for direct translations -- a very different beast from original content creation in many languages. The former would be appopriate for broader multilingual and interlingual efforts. Can we add both of these? They are beautiful and appropriate. +sj + 00:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Was just going to say something to the extent, thanks! So hard for me to decide between the Rosetta and the Globe, I so like both. The Globe is such a beautiful piece of work already, and with added animation, mmmm! If we were to choose the Rosetta, could we keep the Globe for something else perhaps? (like, for successful mediation of nationalistically-based edit wars, or for successful ambassador activity, or for translations of formal content such like official policies or help, etc. ). I'd compliment, profusely, Paul Klenk's Babel Tower as well... but that one's been put to good use already :) so there should not be any concern about having that piece of work underappreciated. - Introvert 01:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Votes

The general concept of a barnstar that rewards outstanding Misplaced Pages translation efforts:

• Support. —Lifeisunfair 15:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support – I like this idea quite a bit. I recommend as the image, however, the UN image above, except with a white star instead of the explosion of flag colors. Nevermind - I see that was discussed. – ClockworkSoul 15:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support - you know it makes sense. -- Solipsist 19:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support --AllyUnion (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support - Should we just restart the discussion clean below the straw poll (possibly in a subheading, for the sake of editing sanity)? nae'blis _(talk) 01:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
  • For what it's worth, I also like the Rosetta stone barnstar the best (at either size), essentially in line with Drini's comments below. nae'blis _(talk) 17:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
• Support--Lectonar 08:55, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Btw, I like the small Rosetta-stone design, and would opt for naming it The Translator's Barnstar or something to that extent, although I must admit that Babel Barnstar would be in line with Misplaced Pages:Babel. Lectonar 12:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I still don't see any obvious connection between "Babel" and "translation." Misplaced Pages:Babel is about separating users by language, a context similar to that of the Bible. This barnstar rewards the opposite — the act of bringing speakers of different languages together. —Lifeisunfair 17:36, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

No, as I see it, wikibabel isn't about separating users by language (you might say it's just a categorization), but bringing them together for one great goal, namely this encyclopedia; and some of them just choose to bring themselves in in contributing in different languages. Lectonar 10:22, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I meant "separating" not in a negative sense, but in the sense that Misplaced Pages:Babel is a means of placing users into separate categories, for the purpose of identifying the separate languages that they speak (and the extent to which they speak them), thereby fostering communication with other speakers of said languages. Conversely, a translator's goal is to effectively erase such distinctions, enabling people to communicate with speakers of languages other than their own. —Lifeisunfair 11:42, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I think we're on the same line here, but have different connotations regarding the use of babel per se; let's leave it at that, this poll is only about the creation of the barnstar category...Cheers.--Lectonar 12:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Support --The Hooded Man 13:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I like the small rosetta stone and 'Babelic Barnstar', just because it's fun to say. I've also added the subheading for the sake of my own sanity, if no one else minds.

• Support Sounds grand. I like the image with the globe, however my first connotation with that would be that's it's a barnstar for geography. I also thought of a tongue maybe. But the Rosetta stone is cool too. Great idea though, let's keep this up.. Gryffindor 13:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the globe image, I've been thinking the same thing. It's beautiful, but I'd like to see it used as "the Geography Barnstar" (or something similar), spun off from the Barnstar of National Merit (which "may also be awarded to those who create a particularly fine article regarding geography," but doesn't appear to be used in this manner). —Lifeisunfair 17:36, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I totally agree with you, the geography one is beautiful, but should be used for that. I am thrilled with the Rosetta stone, it's perfect for the translation (Babel?) Barnstar. How many more votes are required, is anyone familiar with the technicalities? Gryffindor 00:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

This is a straw poll — an informal means of gauging opinion. At this point, it's abundantly clear that the proposal has ample support. —Lifeisunfair 01:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

• Support - I like this idea, and the Rosetta Barnstar is quite classy. - Maaya 14:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Absolutely a good idea. --Deathphoenix 17:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Much of Misplaced Pages's best work comes through translation. So much of what can be mundane or well-known in one culture can be a revalation in another. March on, Ampelmännchen!--Pharos 08:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

BTW, since everyone else is voicing their opinion here, I should also state my support for the Rosetta Barnstar, as it's directly and elegantly appropriate to the ideal of translation.--Pharos 01:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

• Support Libera me barnstar! --Cool Cat 10:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support the general concept; all the suggested images have their pluses. The Rosetta looks fantastic, has the right connotations, and is my favourite. Colonel Tom 10:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support, as I said before, translations need to be recognized with a barnstar, so I'm all for this proposal. Personally, I like the Rosetta Stone version best. But with my interest in ancient Egypt, I'm probably biased in that regard. - Mgm| 20:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support Especially like the Rosetta barnstar. The towers one I dislike since it was huge, the flags one becuase as was pointed language != country. The globe is ok, but not very original. The Rosetta one is elegant and it's related about a significant event that helped us understand a language. -- ( drini's _vandalproof page ☎ ) 00:22, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
• Support All of the images are pretty, but I too think that the Rosetta barnstar is most appropriate.Franzeska 17:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
• Support! hard to decide between all the beautiful images... the Rosetta Barnstar seems most appropriate. Would it be worth trying to set the size for the Rosetta Barnstar at somewhere in the middle, say, 104x150 perhaps? - Introvert 23:17, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong support. Support enough for two different barnstars... both Rosetta and Interlingual (or better yet, call it 'multilingual') +sj + 00:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity: what would you use the interlingual one for? For speaking multiple languages (nudge, nudge!) Lectonar 08:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't quite get that one either. I thought this was only supposed to be for translations? Gryffindor

If my reading is correct, the first is for translating an article from one language to another; the second is for starting an article in two or more different language Wikipedias. imo, second one could cause a lot of confusion and can be subsumed under the first. --Gurubrahma 16:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

But could we judge that; this is the English wikipedia, and the starting of another article in another wiki wouldn't warrant a barnstar here, imho Lectonar 07:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Consensus

The consensus seems to be in favor of the Rosetta Stone image (smaller version?), and a name of the Rosetta Barnstar. Any thoughts? Sango123 (talk) 01:30, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

hm, let's see maybe

• Babel Barnstar

• Rosetta Barnstar

• Translation Barnstar

? Gryffindor 01:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sj has suggested that we introduce two new barnstars — one for translation, and one for the creation of original content in multiple languages. I believe that the Rosetta Barnstar (image and name) could cover both, because the Rosetta Stone is a bilingual artifact that was used as a translation tool. —Lifeisunfair 01:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

• I'll opt for Rosetta Barnstar (small image) for translation work Lectonar 07:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Rosetta Barnstar. My preference for the size is a little bigger than the small one, perhaps around 104x150px (this is halfway between the large and the small rosetta stars.). For translation work, both for direct translation such as from WP:TIE or for the rescue-mode puzzle-me-outs like some (if not most) of the WP:PNT. - Introvert 09:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

  I too supported the suggestion that we keep the Globe star as well. I think this beautiful piece of work is so worth keeping. Can use it for multicultural / multilingual activity other than translation. For example, for mediation of conflicts with nationalistic bias; tough stuff. (this idea might be out of scope just now; food for thought then perhaps?) - Introvert 09:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

DYK Barnstar or medal

How about something for Wikipedians who have achieved at least 5 or more nominations of Misplaced Pages's newest articles which were featured on Misplaced Pages's Did You Know? section on the Main Page? I suggest that successful nominations for someone else's new article should count equally with self-created new article nominations. It's a lot of work either way. the DYK section helps keep the Main Page vital. There is a bit of healthy competition among editors currently. Someone else with art talent will need to come up with an appropriate image for the award: I just write and edit, I don't draw!

Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 21:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Just for reference, a very similar award was suggested prior to this proposal. The archived discussion can be found here. Sango123 (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Reading through the archive, I am left to conclude that the idea was just sorta put "on hold"? Personally, I like the Trailblazer concept. So, now what? Vaoverland 18:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I like this idea and had also previously requested for such a barnstar since i like DYKs. Can we renew the discussion here? Idleguy 19:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

As mentioned in the previous discussion, a DYK Barnstar seemed too narrow for an official award, so how about using the Trailblazer concept for creating new articles? A possible image could be the barnstar to the left; green suggests growth and newness. Any thoughts or ideas? Sango123 (talk) 19:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Not bad but not really great. I was thinking something like those product ads that come with labels like New, Improved etc. Actually make that a shining/sparkling (silver maybe) barnstar to denote the freshness. Idleguy 20:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I also like the expanded thinking of the Trailblazer, since it encompasses more than just DYK. So, how may we renew consideration? I am a writer, not a Wiki-Politician!! Vaoverland 20:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Though I may be a bit biased (I proposed the original idea) :-), I think that we should have a Trailblazer barnstar. As I said in the archived discussion, I imagined a fire-red barnstar with a zig-zag path/trail behind. I'm not an artist, though (don't even have Photoshop!), so I couldn't create this myself. Comments? Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 21:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I like that image even better. However, I writes, not draws. <gr> Vaoverland

Something like this? Sango123 (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking more of a trail/path behind the barnstar, perhaps to the left. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 22:50, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

This trailblazer seems better. maybe the trail fire can look better though its still draft version. Unfortunately I don't have an eye for art and am poor at designing else I could've helped. Idleguy 05:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The trail reminds me of the video of the Challenger disaster. What's with the squiggle-zig-zag? Some straighter traces would be better. It's still better than the passive green concept, though. Vaoverland 14:31, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Here's one with a non-fiery, straight trail from the left. Sango123 (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

That's an improvement, and I'd settle for it. However, I was thinking of something like this:

Where the star represents the barnstar, and to the left would be a brown trail or path. As I've said, I write, not draw. Pardon my drawing, as I'm artistically challenged. :-) Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah... I wasn't sure exactly what you meant by "trail", but your drawing effectively clears that up. :) By the way, do you want the trail to come from only one point of the star? Sango123 (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. :-) I'm not sure, I really didn't think about that. Maybe try one version like that, another version where the trail comes from the bottom two points, and another version where the trail is in the middle? See what looks the best. Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 22:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I like the one that is labled "no zip zag". Vaoverland 02:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Like Flcelloguy said the trail should probably come at the bottom... Actually I'm so bad at imagining :D Idleguy 17:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I tried several different variations, but I like this one the best. :) Sango123 (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

With all due respect to its creator, I think the most recent version looks like a vehicle skidding to a stop instead of streaking forward. But then, I am a transportation writer. Mark Vaoverland 19:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I second vaoverland's view. I just don't see it falling in place somehow and i'm also unable to imagine. but keep the ideas coming since I'm not good at artsy things. maybe how about changing the image idea to one I had proposed initially like a "sparkling barnstar" (silver color probably) That would be also different. Just my 2 banana cents. Idleguy 06:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Welp, the first idea for a DYK barnstar (also available in non-animated version!)... other ideas would just be a circle with the DYK-updated ? mark in it, or more emphasis on a shiny-new theme instead of a question/information theme... And, yes, I know it sucks, why do you ask?  :) Bushytails 05:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. Remove the animation (and all the black question marks) and it will be the best one so far. Seriously, simplicity > bloat. -- Ynhockey 06:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Simple version. Bushytails 06:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

• First overly-animated version
• Simplified, less-sucky version
• Ok, so I like making them suck...
• Bigger ? in different font

And re-suckified. Bushytails 06:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I strongly believe that the barnstar or medal should be exclusive to DYK. We hv a FA medal, why not for DYK which is the second feature of the Main Page? And while we are at it, we can have the cutoffs as 5 DYK entries (self-noms), 8 DYK entries (articles created by me but DYK suggested by others) and 15 DYK entries (articles created by others but suggested by me). No need for a hard and fast rule - for example, I may self-nom 4 suggestions but nominate other articles 3 times etc. I like the last version by Bushytails (the one with a single "?" and shining barnstar), though I'd want to see a version where the star is below the question mark, as if the ? is a hanger from which the barnstar is hung. Regards, --Gurubrahma 11:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I like the idea of an award for DYK, since I do most of the updates I know the frequent and highly quality contributors, and I can think of 5-6 users that I would give the award to now. Since I'm potentially in a postition where I would award this barnstar- I don't think a numerical limit (4 DYKs = 1 barstar) is a workable or desirable, my criteria would be based on the quailty of new article, the supply of articles with free pics and the contributors persistence for example 8 DYKs over 6 weeks over a range of subjects. I can also think of at least one RC patroller that suggests lots of new artilces and has done so over a few months who I think would be a candidate. Also, I like Bushytails simplified, less sucky version, but the question makr should be bigger.--nixie 10:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Bigger enough? I don't have the font used for the DYK-updated image, so had to pick another font... trying to scale the little image bigger was rather ugly... I could vectorize it and scale the vectorized version (I need one of those photography/image barnstars.  :), but I figure that for now, a different font is ok... I kinda like the shining version better (with the blinkies every 5 seconds), and it isn't too over-animated. Any ideas? Bushytails 06:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

So, where are we at with all this? Vaoverland 02:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I suggest we create a silver shining (sparkling) barnstar instead. My original idea... Heh Idleguy 05:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

A silver barnstar would be a tad too similar to the Resilient Barnstar. I think the question mark alone works well, as it's simple and concisely portrays the DYK aspect. Any extra animation might draw focus away from the barnstar's purpose (although the sparkles on the Bushytails' third version are quite pretty. ;-) The fourth version would look great with a solidly colored question mark, possibly beveled or embossed. Any thoughts? Sango123 (talk) 19:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

In that case I'd say in the current crop Bushy's 3rd barnstar looks good with a solid color as Sango says. Idleguy 03:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I had previously spoken of a version where the star is below the question mark, as if the ? is a hanger from which the barnstar is hung. The third draft of AFD rescue barnstar (see below) seems to be similar in thought. --Gurubrahma 05:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I prefer the fourth barnstar with the larger "?", though I agree with Sango it should have a more solid appearance. Nixie is absolutely right that this should be rewarded on subjective criteria rather than some formula, as the quality of entries varies greatly.--Pharos 14:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Broad enough?

Just to play devil's advocate for a bit, is this star really broad and general enough? I really think that we shuld do our best to minimize creeping barnstarism, especially since we already have a whole zoo of the things buzzing around. – ClockworkSoul 16:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree. There's such thing as too many barnstars. --Deathphoenix 16:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think DYK is really a horse of a different color than the valiant deeds which other barnstars honor. We shouldn't have arbitrary barnstars, but this really isn't at all analogous with creeping featurism in software; an exotic zoo with all the bells and whistles is rather efficient for an awards system.--Pharos 14:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree and support both a DYK barnstar and a AFD rescue barnstar (discussion below). --Gurubrahma 07:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Proposal - Manga and Anime Barnstar

This is a proposal for a category barnstar. It will be awarded to whoever makes a great contribution to articles in the field of manga and anime. Since there's already a personal award called the 'Pokestar', and possibly more similar ones will be created, why not have an official manga and anime barnstar?

To the right is an image I've come up with.

-- Ynhockey 18:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I like it. The image looks quite good as well, so why not. --dionyziz 08:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC).

First off, the category barnstars are for the actual categories listed on the Main Page {e.g Culture, History, Science etc.) So this barnstar wouldn't fall into the class of Category barnstars, but rather topical ones. Secondly, what images did you use for the 'star? I ask this only because if they are copyrighted anime images, there might be a copywrite issue in using the barnstar. Bratsche 15:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I used an old picture from Dragonball (Z) that's been circulating around the net for years. Thought it would constitute as fair use whether or not the image was copyrighted. However, if you think this is an issue, the image can be changed easily since I have the PSD/CPT files. What kind of image are we looking for in order to not be copyright infringement for sure? Is a screenshot OK? Would a fan colouring of a B&W page be OK? Because I don't think there are many non-copyrighted anime or manga images. Oh yeah and, I did mean topical barnstar. Sorry. -- Ynhockey 00:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion on the Manga and Anime Barnstar has been at a standstill for about a month. If no attempts at reviving it are made within a week, it will be archived. Thanks, Sango123 (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• I think we should let it go: it simply isn't "broad and general" enough (I just skimmed the guidelines again), and I think we would be better off to avoid creeping barnstarism in general. – ClockworkSoul 15:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I think anime/manga is pretty broad - it has hundreds if not thousands of related articles. It definitely has more articles than Spoken Misplaced Pages, which already has a barnstar. -- Ynhockey 07:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Good idea however the barnstar image looks like a copy vio. --Cool Cat 10:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

As I said before, I took it from an anime image that was floating around the web for years. IMO it constitutes as fair use since the use was limited and non-commercial, but if you disagree, please clarify what kind of images are valid to not constitute a copyvio. Without this clarification, I cannot use another image because you might just say it's copyvio again. -- Ynhockey 07:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I support the existance of this barnstar, though the image needs work. Question is what makes Anime special? Image of that should be on the barnstar or on the background etc... --Cool Cat 14:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikiwings

The wikiwings are styled after military flight wings, and awarded to anyone who makes extensive, high-quality, or generally valued contributions to the area of aviation on wikipedia. They awarded by anyone, to anyone, in a barnstar-like fashion.

The wikiwings award is styled after Rlandmann's wikiwings award, and were officially adopted by WikiProject Aircraft on October 29, 2005.

This was originally placed on Misplaced Pages:Barnstars on Misplaced Pages, but I moved it here to open it for discussion. Any thoughts? Sango123 (talk) 19:53, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello all, I am the goof who originally placed this on the official page - I wasn't aware of this page (which is rather silly since it is common sense that new awards would have to be vetted). Anyways, much the logic for this award and discussion surrounding its creation can be found at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft. The bottom line is that several of our project participants felt a need for some sort of award in this area, and this seemed like the best solution. While Rlandmann's original wikiwings were good, they didn't quite fulfill our desires (it was awarded once monthly instead of as needed, and was criticized aesthetically). So this is what we came up with. We'd still like to call it wikiwings, and given its non-barnstar-related title, we chose the wikisphere instead of a barnstar for the centre. So there it is... -Lommer | 04:20, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I really like the image, but think it should be an award for general military contributions or something to that effect. Or maybe 'contributions to modern warfare-related articles'. The reason is that many military units like paratroopers or even naval commandos, often use wings. -- Ynhockey 00:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal to apply an award for general military contributions, but I think it might need a more general image for that purpose. I'd certainly support a Military Barnstar, or, I dunno, a Barnstar General award maybe. - Dalziel 86 13:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the wikiwings is not related to military contributions. While a lot of articles of the Project Aircraft deals with warplanes, missiles, and such, a large proportion of aircrafts are civilian. It may be useful to have a Barnstar for military contributions, but that's an other topic, the wikiwings would primary award articles on general aviation. --Sylvain Mielot 19:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to echo Syvain's thoughts; as an example, we've encouraged wikiprojects airlines and airports to adopt the wikiwings award - these projects focus almost exclusively on civilian avaiation. -Lommer | 22:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I think one of the strengths of the award as it stands is that it's pretty flexible. It's not a barnstar per se, so it can be adapted to whatever purpose, within limits. I agree with Lommer and Sylvain that it shouldn't be restricted to the military, but conversely there's no reason it shouldn't also be used to recognise military contributions, until something better comes along.--Xiphon 17:08, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

The scope is too narrow. It would be pretty good if it's a PUA. Deryck C. 08:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but what's a PUA? Also, I disagree that the scope is too narrow. There is a lot of aviation articles on wikipedia (airports, airlines, aircraft, history, military aviation, aerospace engineering, flight crew concepts and trainging are just a few areas) and some sort of award is appropriate. Given that there is a clear demand (requests from users) for something to acknowledge contributions in these areas, I think wikiwings is perfect. -Lommer | 18:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

PUA = Personal User Award nae'blis _(talk) 02:16, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Too narrow? ericg ✈ 17:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

This discussion has stagnated for a while now; what do we do to move forward with this award? People have already started awarding it btw... -User:Lommer | 02:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

It is a bit narrow, but it's not a "barnstar" so much as an "award". Even still, I think it would do best as a PUA. – ClockworkSoul 07:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I still think "narrow" is harsh, but whatever. Can we make this a "PUA" of wikiproject aircraft instead of any one user? The project members have already approved it as their official award. If so, where do we list it, and how do we formally call the proposal process "closed". -User:Lommer | 07:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't mean to sound harsh: I only mean "narrow" in the sense that it only applies to a single relatively specialized field. Also, you can absolutely have "project" awards: I know that the Kindness Campaign a kind of award that it gives out, for example. – ClockworkSoul 07:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

False, aviation includes the Voyager probe, this award would include anything artificialy created that flies with its own power. --Cool Cat 10:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Regardless of the debate about scope (can't really be settled as its a matter of opinion IMO), should we just call this closed and make it a project award? Do we need to list anywhere other than the project page? -User:Lommer | 19:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

There are no strict rules about project awards, so it's perfectly fine to just let this live on the project page. – ClockworkSoul 21:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Maintenance and Collaboration Barnstar

I propose a Maintenance and Collaboration Barnstar. It would be given to users who users of the wikipedia community feel have made a significant contribution to the maintenance and collaborations of Misplaced Pages. Im busy so if anyone wants to make a draft of it they may do so. Tarret 22:27, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I think "maintenance and collaborations" could be covered by the Barnstar of Diligence or the Working Man's Barnstar, if not the original one. Sango123 (talk) 01:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Rescue from AFD

I'd like to see something like "Honourable Order of the Misplaced Pages Stub Rehabilitation Society", which could be awarded to people who rescue items from AFD and similar lists by making comprehensive rewrites duing the voting period. I've one particular recipient in mind, but I know of several whom this could easily be awarded to. Grutness...wha? 05:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

• First Draft First Draft
• Second Draft
• Third Draft

Just took a stab at it, a lot of directions we can go from there. I especially want to do some creative changes to the Barnstar in the background, just unsure exactly what would be best to compliment the helicopter, or if we want a RedCross instead; and/or I could make the helicopter a brown barnstar color scheme and do something bright in the background, such as a RedCross (second draft) but inside a Barnstar outline (didn't look good when I tried it). (also I don't like the blue roter blades... but making it look cool might be beyond my skills) - RoyBoy 18:25, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Maybe I could change the basket to a Wikiglobe... or better yet a Misplaced Pages "W" puzzle piece to represent the article being rescued. - RoyBoy 01:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

For some reason, my browser's not letting me see your designs, but if I get the drift of them right, what about simply a rescue helicopter with a small barnstar hanging from the end of a rope below it? Grutness...wha? 02:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I definitely thought of that too, yeah we can do that. Now to cut down drafts, what color scheme for the copter (original, or barnstar?), what barnstar should be used... the original makes sense given creating/rewriting articles is the very essence of the barnstar... or could it be the Working man's barnstar. Although each article is different, rescuing poor articles from the AfD is a constantly needed, tireless task. (and the tireless barnstar would add more color if we went with the barnstar color scheme on the copter) - RoyBoy 15:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Then most importantly the size of the barnstar... it could be proportational to the copter and so it fits inside the frame, or I could keep the barnstar the normal size and it would go outside the boundaries of the image (that would emphasize this is a big deal). - RoyBoy 16:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I like proposal 3 - I think the brown and red get a bit lost against each other in the other two. Grutness...wha? 08:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I also like the third one, it's much better than the other two overall. However, you should probably improve the rotors. -- Ynhockey 14:43, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Coo, which rotors... the top ones? If so... that may be the limit of my artistic ability, if you can do it... or recommend someone I'd be more than happy to copy and paste their improvement and credit them in the final upload. If you mean the tail rotor, just in case its too small... its the WikiGlobe!:"D - RoyBoy 20:06, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

How's this? (I cheated and used a real helicopter image. ;-) Sango123 (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Looks good. What's the source (or copyright status) of the original helicopter image that you used? --Deathphoenix 17:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

*plays M.A.S.H. theme* Looking good... --AllyUnion (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I used Image:Chc bell 206.jpg, which is licensed under the GFDL. So what shall we name this award? Sango123 (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... this would be tough now. We need a balance between wit and information. A nice name that is also informative. Red Cross Barnstar, or M.A.S.H. Barnstar, for example, don't really emphasise that the awardee rescued articles from AfD. How about something like Operation: AfD Rescue Barnstar? Granted, that's slightly unwieldy, but I'm just brainstorming here. My brain has a lot of rubbish in it. --Deathphoenix 17:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I suggested a (somewhat flowery) title originally, but it could be shortened - how about "Article Rehabilitation Barnstar", or just "Stub Rescue Barnstar"? That means it doesn't have to be for AfD, just for turning something hopeless into somethig encyclopaedic. Grutness...wha? 23:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry to come in late and be a wet blanket, but I'm not so sure about this star. We have so many barnstars already, wouldn't a "Working Man", "Editor", or "Diligance" star be just as good? At 25 stars and counting, we're starting to suffer from serious barnstar creep. – ClockworkSoul 07:40, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I really like this idea, and I think article rescue is a unique enough activity to merit a separate accounting. It's not unheard of for something to be deleted just because folks on AFD aren't familiar with the topic, and this barnstar would award a much-needed service. The 'hanging barnstar' is also a great graphic concept.--Pharos 13:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I do like the current image more than the old ones, but would it be possible to get a helicopter that looked more like a Search-and-Rescue machine? Possible source images with compatible licences: 1, 2, 3, 4. Sorry they're all American; the British, Canadian, and Irish ones I found don't allow derivative works... -User:Lommer | 06:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Barnstar

I was thinking that there should be a barnstar for edits having to do with Misplaced Pages pages. The Misplaced Pages:_________ pages, like this one or Department of Fun or AFD or FAC or any of them. I would put my idea for the picture on it but I'm not good at making them. It would either have a normal barnstar with the backround has the logo or vice versa. If someone could make that for me, it would be good. Give lots of input to this idea. RENTASTRAWBERRY röck 01:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Because Misplaced Pages-space pages could be considered "community" pages, I think the Barnstar of Diligence could be used for this purpose. --Deathphoenix 16:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I like the "laurelstar" best, tho the Rosettastar is kinda interesting. The idea's an award, & "laurelstar" strikes me as best that way. Trekphiler 23:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Burnstar

This may not be in the spirit of wikipedia - i don't really know because i haven't been here very long - but it would be fun none-the-less (as long as people don't get offended). Basically, this star is a criticism star, given out to somebody with whom you find fault... feel free to expand on it or w/e.

Weenie 12:37, 4 December 2005 (PST)

Yeah, I don't think this barnstar is really appropriate. It would be a troll magnet, among other things --Deathphoenix 03:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

For providing criticism to the concept of a "criticism star" I award Deathphoenix the Burnstar. :)

See how easy that was Weenie to provide a barnstar for criticism? Just wanted to drive home the point that this wont work. No offence meant either of you. Cheers Idleguy 04:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Not quite what I meant but I realize that (like the other barnstars, too) it would be hard to regulate when and how to use it...

Perhaps it could be used for a different purpose... I just kind of liked the name and image. Maybe it could be a warning to users or something when they don't follow the rules (like if they sabotage pages) or otherwise offend users

---Weenie 05:38, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The concept of barnstar is used to celebrate good work. Burnstar doesn't fit in and sounds like a poor joke on barnstar. If your really like the name and the image, you shd probly look at some constructive work for which you can award it. --Gurubrahma 05:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Burnstar strikes me a bad idea. It's EZ nuf post criticism now, unless we want a Razzie® for really egrigious behavior, which we can just block... Trekphiler 23:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The Laugh Point

On an internet forum I frequent, we have developed the tradition of awarding laugh points to other posters when they make us laugh. It's an informal sort of thing, and is generally conveyed by responding to the poster, quoting the humorous portion of the poster's message, and saying "Have a laugh point" or some similar sort of phrasing.

I would like to cross-pollinate that tradition here to Misplaced Pages, and in that spirit I have made the image you see above (or, possibly, to the left). This award is to be handed out to any Wikipedian who makes you laugh with some sort of trenchant observation, dry wit, wet wit, or other humorous comment.

• Misplaced Pages awards