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Talk:Asmahan

I understand what you're saying, but it's part of the conversation. You're cherry picking out parts of the conversation when it's not your place to do so. Per WP:TPOC, "The basic rule is: Do not strike out or delete the comments of other editors without their permission." Just leave it. — HelloAnnyong 23:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Supreme Deliciousness, please add references to her Syrian songs or why she would be considered a Syrian singer so that Music of Syria would be considered a fact in the template. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

But she was a Syrian women from Syria that sang songs, so of course she was a Syrian singer.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Please reply here so I don't go back and forth. I'm not contesting that she's Syrian, however in the infobox it say in Genre "Syrian". Unless this is referenced somewhere it should be removed. Not her ethnicity is contested but the fact that she sang Syrian songs. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if she sang any Syrian songs. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Create a user page

User:Arab Cowboy it would be nice if u create a User page so that when signing you wouldn't have a redlink.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 13:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I didn't know why I had a red link. Btw, thanks for your help! --Arab Cowboy (talk) 13:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Asmahan#Asmahan_and_her_debut

Could u work on Asmahan#Asmahan_and_her_debut before the marriage section, filling all citation needed tags and expanding?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:56, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Diaa, I am refraining from editing the article for 24 hours as agreed, allowing SD freedom to edit Asmahan's early life section through her exit from Swaida. I shall start my editing as of 13:00 GMT 6 July for 24 hours, during which time, I would appreciate no editing by others. I shall edit/create a section to discuss Asmahan's immigration to and life in Egypt, marriages, and death. Btw, is there any reason why the section about her voice characteristics was removed by Annyong? Regards, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 00:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I reverted that as soon as I was made aware of it.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Voice characteristics section

Please if u have references to this section provide them and add them in your time.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Green light

You have the green light to edit the article except the things discussed before like the lead. Please don't remove anything from what the other user has added. You may only add new info and expand stuff. You can also fix grammar and copyedit the Early life section according to your sources. I'll monitor the page and add {{Clarify}} and {{fact}} when I see stuff missing. Please reference all the unreferenced stuff. Otherwise there is no proof that she even was a singer. We will discuss tomorrow at 13:30 GMT any disputes.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 13:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Still there?

Are you still there Arab Cowboy?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I am. Will work on the article until tomorrow at 13:30 GMT. Thanks, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 20:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Wolof359

Hello. Surpreme Deliciousness posted a warning on the Golan Heights talk page warning people about me and you saying we are the same. He also put the warning on my page but I deleted it. I thought you should know he was bad mouthing you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolof359 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Let him talk... who's listening anyway?! --Arab Cowboy (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Asmahan Series

Dear Arab Cowboy, you have expanded the Asmahan article to a great extent with valuable info. It would be even better if u write a little about the TV show. I found many sources, in arabic though:--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

• http://news.maktoob.com/article/2010787/%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%B5%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D9%8A%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AC%D9%85-%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84
• http://www.moheet.com/show_news.aspx?nid=157364&pg=62
• http://www.swaida.com/index.php?news=2980
• http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2007/06/16/35554.html
• http://www.alawan.org/%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%B4-%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84.html
• http://www.sadasoria.com/arabic/page-select-id-show_det-27-12220.htm

Unblock

Note to reviewing admin - see ANI thread here, and my pre-block warning here, which was unheeded. Tan | 39 05:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Disruptive editing of which I am accused, as I read it now, has to do with Misplaced Pages articles, not an incidents' reporting page. I still do not see where I could have been disruptive, and none of my edits can be construed as Misplaced Pages:Vandalism as my accusation was later changed to by Tan. I still see this as a clear abuse of administrator authority by Tan. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 06:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you post the diff where I changed anything? Tan | 39 06:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

• Initially, the link to the violation went to this page: Misplaced Pages:Disruptive editing, then when I clicked it again, a few minutes later, it went to this page: Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. Somehow, you assume that "AC, knock off the disruption here. This constitutes an only warning." is intelligible. It may be so in some colloquial Arizona dialect, but it is not formal English writing and is not understable to non-native English speakers who have only been formally educated in English. Before I had the chance to ask you what you meant, you had already blocked me! --Arab Cowboy (talk) 07:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
• and what in the world does "I hear the voice of the duck, calling "Plaxico!" Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)" mean??? Who was the disruptive side here? Suit yourselves, people. You seem to value no fair chance for others to express themselves, and it all seems like a gang! --Arab Cowboy (talk) 07:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Why is my account still blocked even though the 72 hours have passed?

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock #1515236 lifted or expired.

Request handled by: Q 06:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Any Help Needed

I saw what happened after I have posted a complaint here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Repeated_false_Accusations_and_Insults_by_User_Supreme_Deliciousness_.28SD.29 To me, this is becoming funny! I am tired of being called your sockpuppet everytime. Anyway, I have decided to take llywrch's advice: "It is not a personal attack to call another user a "sockpuppet" ". I'll be cool everytime I am called so :) I am not sure if you have the same stance, thats' why I would like to ask you if I can provide any help. --Nefer Tweety (talk) 10:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

No, it is not OK for you to be called a sockpuppet. If you could, please contact Graeme Bartlett and Diaa abdelmoneim and let them know of this situation. Ask Graeme if he can review this matter and provide help. Thanks, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 10:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I already did on the noticeboard. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 10:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Diaa, and NT, the help of both of you is appreciated. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 11:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I think in this blocking case Tan has overreacted on a COI situation. He made a block because of a conversation he was involved with. An uninvolved admin should have been requested. This is so that a clear head can be applied to the situation, rather than a hot angry one. In any case bringing up issues on WP:AN/I is a way to bring on the admins and is a focus for drama. You may also be interested in reading Misplaced Pages:Do not insult the vandals and Misplaced Pages:Don't call a spade a spade. The reference to ducks is explained at Duck test. The place you should have talked about SD's (possibly false) allegation is at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Graeme. Your comments are well taken. Two things I do not understand, though: 1. what is a COI situation? and 2. what do you mean by "bringing up issues on WP:AN/I is a way to bring on the admins and is a focus for drama"? I see that Tan has not afforded me due process in issuing a warning, assuming that he was entitled to do so, according to . Not only was he involved and the primary antagonizer in this incident (he was the one who digressed the complaint conversation to "congress and the constituion", and he and others spoke in language that was unintelligible and only seemed derogatory to me and the original complainer). A couple of users have agreed below that to continue to label users as sockpuppets is insulting and undermines their inputs to articles and conversations, especially that Checkuser has shown no evidence of sockpuppetry. Please advise me on how to report this apparent violation and make a formal complaint of abuse of admin authority. Thanks, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 20:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Your best option at this point is to wait out the block, as other admins have declined the unblock request. If you keep asking for reviews of the block (which is an option open to you) you will gain more and more attention. You already know that SD is you opponent in the edit wars, so he may use uncivil tactics to fight back. Just ignore this accusation at this point. My point about WP:AN/I is that the incident noticeboard is supposed to be for serious incidents that need an administrator intervention. By reporting an insulting statement, that is not of much seriousness, you have attracted attention of people who are used to using things like blocks. All that was probably needed was a warning from an independent person on the accuser. The Sock Puppet investigators do not like to waste their time on clearing people of accusation unless it looks likely, and that some serious problem occurred because of it, like vandalism, bypass 3rr rule, vote stacking etc. For example, a SPI case was raised against me on the meta? for a cross project case involving article creation. It was rejected do to no negative consequences. And it was baseless anyway! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

A COI situation is a conflict of interested. An admin should not take administrative action in an area that they are involved in a dispute, but should ask an uninvolved person instead. The example is if a vandal damages the admin's user page, they should as at the WP:AIV for another administrator to take action to block. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Apology

I misread the history logs of your discussion page; you had only once removed the notice that your appeal to be unblocked was declined. While that is never something to remove from your Talk page, the fact you restored it soon afterwards shows you understood it should not be removed. Hence I apologize for any inconvenience this caused. However, I still caution you to moderate your behavior: your response to the allegation that you were a "sockpuppet" was inappropriate. Discuss the facts, not the political theory of free speech. -- llywrch (talk) 21:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

llywrch, you still misunderstand the facts and you seem to react too hastily. As I explained earlier, it WAS NOT I who brought up "free speech" in that thread. It was the original complainer, NT, who did and which Tan and Baseball Bugs picked on and took it to a "Congress and the Constitution" discussion. I tried repeatedly to stear the dialogue back to the "complaint" at hand, but only got in return teasing, and what seemed to be "insider jokes" about "ducks" and "plaxico" which I had no idea what they were. I could not see how people, even admins, would respond to a legitimate complaint by talking about ducks and quacks and such! And, finally for Tan to post an ambiguous statement about disruption, without even explaining that "disruption" was a coined term that had its own page on Misplaced Pages, was also unprofessional. Warnings are usually posted on the concerned user's Talk page, in formal English language, and with appropriate links to the respective violation pages. A chance is given to the warned party to understand the violation. None of that was done. He blocked me two minutes later before I had a chance to ask him to explain what his "warning" comment all meant. I had not even begun to comprehend it yet. As for the "sockpuppet" term, I do find it derogatory, even if NT doesn't mind it now. No one should be termed a puppet of any kind, especially when they have not done anything to deserve it. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 00:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Without commenting on any of the other issues: calling someone else a sockpuppet is exactly like calling someone else a vandal; unless you know it to be true and can demonstrate it to be so, it is a personal attack that has no place on Misplaced Pages. --jpgordon 00:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

jpgordon, I am glad that someone else sees this the same way, that it is disrespectful to call someone a sockpuppet without being able to demonstrate it. I request that you please review this case and adjudicate my unblock request above. Thanks, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 02:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment: Without stating an opinion regarding any other issues or arguments on this page, I would have to agree with jpgordon in that the use of the term "sockpuppet" can be indeed viewed as a personal attack, especially in regards to the context in which the accusation is made and the way the accuser handles the situation. Mentioning that you have concerns someone may be a sockpuppet on one or two pages may be OK; however if an editor keeps repeatedly bringing this belief up on various talk pages (and not on SPI -- where it belongs) then it moves into the realm of personal attacks because it can damage others perceptions of a user's credibility. --Nsaum75 (talk) 05:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Nsaum75. --03:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry Investigation Conclusions

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  • Nefer Tweety (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

--Arab Cowboy (talk) 09:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Asmahan again

Hi. Could you avoid changing your comments too much on the talk page there? Edits like this make it harder to keep up with the latest conversation, as it requires re-reading all the previous comments every time. And if someone quotes you, that quotation may be stale. In general it's best for you to just leave a new note at the bottom. WP:TPG#Own comments talks about doing this. Thanks. — HelloAnnyong 19:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Annyong: I avoid changing my comments AFTER anyone replies to them, which is in compliance with the recommendation in WP:TPG#Own comments. No one has replied yet to the comment in reference. I have also been labelling my comments as "Work in progress" because I am doing research and writing at the same time. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 20:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Uploading pictures

I am finding some difficulty uploading few pictures. A lot of things here seem confusing to me. I am a new user and I am still not acquainted with few things here. Can you kindly help me out? Thanks in advance --Nefer Tweety (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

certainly, just let me know what you would like to upload and i will do my best. regards, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 20:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much. This is my email address ----. Please email me. --Nefer Tweety (talk) 00:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

done. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 02:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Can't thank you enough. --Nefer Tweety (talk) 11:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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NPA

I know that you and Supreme Deliciousness have been engaged in a long-time edit war, but that does not justify personal attacks. Stop with the personal attacks, or they will be reported. Focus on the content of the article, not the person making the edits. — HelloAnnyong 18:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)