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:::The article from ''Time'' doesn't say what you think it says. It only says that Malcolm X, the New York leader of the Nation of Islam, was an ex-con. In any event, please read the rest of the opening paragraph, and the rest of the article. Thank you. — ] {{toolbar|separator=dot|] | ] }} 04:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC) :::The article from ''Time'' doesn't say what you think it says. It only says that Malcolm X, the New York leader of the Nation of Islam, was an ex-con. In any event, please read the rest of the opening paragraph, and the rest of the article. Thank you. — ] {{toolbar|separator=dot|] | ] }} 04:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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If you have proof against that I would like to hear it, but it did not come from Iowa GOP's website. It was an original creation as stated when originally uploaded.

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I asked specific questions, including who was the photographer, where was the image taken, and who did the composition of the flag and portrait? None of these were answered, so the no source tag should not have been removed; thus, this has been reverted. Do not remove warnings from your talk page. If the page becomes too long (which it was not), you can archive using the procedures at Help:Archiving a talk page. If you continue to ignore copyright issues, you will be blocked. Superm401 - Talk 09:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Flag image is a person file image (self created work) as was the original photograph, (I am a former art students and have contacts with Gov. Huckabee, know that might seem far fetched, but it is the truth) they were both original works merged together. It is original worked and I released to public domain upon upload to Misplaced Pages. I thought I had addressed that in the original upload and don't really know what else you are questioning. Please let me know what ever else you need.
First of all, I must compliment you on a nicely composited image. However, when browsing the My Space web site, I noticed that this flag image appears to be used as a background image on many of the My Space users web pages and is, in fact provided by a blogger web code site. Since you have stated that the flag image is a self created image, did you sell the flag image to the blogger site that is using it? If so, then I imagine there is no problem using it here. (Tho I'm not as familiar with all the Wiki rules as some others are around here.) But if you are "borrowing" it, you will find the Wiki admins very upset if you have claimed to make the flag image and actually have not. However, if you did create this image and have subsequently sold it to the blogger code site in question, then please accept my compliments on a nicely composited image and forgive my intrusion here. --Mactographer (talk) 11:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
First of all thank you for the compliment. I have not sold any of my work to any web site or blog, but the flag image used in the Huckabee image is self created. Do you happen to remember the site that you on? I would like to check it out, if they are using my work without credit I definitely want to know about that. Thanks and no worries of intrusion! Rtr10 (talk) 23:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I linked to it above, but will do it again here. This is the flag image as they have it on their site. The site's web URL is: pyzam.com. They provide blogger code for such blogger sites as My Space. They call their layout American Pride. I noticed that background on at least one or more of the My Space users' pages and thought it was a nice flag image, then I saw the same image used in your graphic on the Huckabee My Space Page. If they have indeed stolen your flag image, you have a major claim against the people at Pyzam.com. --Mactographer (talk) 00:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I see it know. Thanks for linking it again. I will take a little closer look at it, but it certainly seems to be the same thing with a black fade on the bottom and right sides. I will look into it. Thanks again for bringing it to my attention. Rtr10 (talk) 00:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

So have you gotten a hold of anyone at Pyzam yet? --Mactographer (talk) 07:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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Moving down campaign logos

I think you are wrong on this one. The campaign logo symbolizes the campaign. The photo, in Hillary Clinton's case, is her official Senator photo. The campaign logo deserves to be in the infobox, just like corporations have their logo in their infoboxes. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The move was only to align all the Candidate pages. Every other candidate page has their picture in the information box and the campaign logo as a thumb in the article. Go look at other candidate pages. I have been working on Infoboxes today and there is nothing wrong with that change since it is just aligning the page with every other candidates page. Rtr10 (talk) 22:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Agree with WTR. Please reconsider your approach to "building" consensus. --HailFire (talk) 21:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Style notes

You just wrote "Huckabee is currently competing with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani for 1st in national ..."

  1. What does "currently" mean? This article is going to be read ten years from now. Never, ever say "currently" or "recently". Give a specific date.
  2. Use "first" not "1st". This is meant to be formal writing. See WP:MOS for much more. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! I have went back and corrected the mistakes. Rtr10 (talk) 00:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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Here is a source for the stray dog comment. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268762,00.html and also here http://www.utopiarescue.com/oldsite/stop_animal_torture.htm This isn't relevant because it is about the son and not the father. However the father's reaction is relevant. Jmegill (talk) 20:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


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Huckabee Logo

Actually, I specifically referred you to the second Mike Huckabee talk page archive, where the logo was discussed in depth, and consensus was to NOT include it, for a number of reasons. I recommend you read it. The logo stays out. ThuranX (talk) 22:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You've seen fit to ignore the consensus determined, and to dismiss me and my concerns as vandalism. I'm not going to fight this anymore. I referred you to a discussion, I participated in the new discussion, in which another editor, Morphh, agreed the archive showed there was consensus to remove on Fair Use grounds, and asked for a clear ruling on that. You've chosen instead to revert war, not talk about it, and in general, lose any measure of Good Faith I could have in your actions. YOu win, but won't ever trust your edits again. ThuranX (talk) 05:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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CrimsonRide

From a former Capstone grad thanks for the CrimsonRide pictures. I wish they had that service when I was there, would have made my daily walk from ten Hoor to the Bryant Museum much easier. Patriarca12 (talk) 23:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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Template:Savannah College of Art and Design

Hey Rtr10, there is no policy, but there does seem to be some sort of informal standard in place. I had a look around at a lot of other college templates and all used the standard font, hence why I made the change. Somno (talk) 12:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

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I hope you like this photo better. howcheng {chat} 21:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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Input requested

There's a current discussion on how to best show the list of national championships for the Alabama Crimson Tide football article here. Any input would be appreciated. :) –  LATICS  talk  02:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Win percentage...

Am I doing something wrong? My math isn't the greatest... ha. But I've tried to figure out the winning percentage. 799 wins, 315 losses, 43 ties. So, that's 820.5 wins ... as ties count as half a win, half a loss.

820.5 ÷ 1149 = .714099216 . . . {\displaystyle 820.5\div 1149=.714099216...\,}

So actually, it seems as everything we've had down has been incorrect. Unless maybe I'm missing something... –  LATICS  talk  15:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That sounds right. I wasn't counting the half wins through ties, so that is where I was screwing up. I am not a math person either. :-) Rtr10 (talk) 21:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Saw on College Football Data Warehouse's web site that they had .709 as the winning percentage. I went back tried to see where we went wrong and we some how slipped up on the number of total games. It is 1,157 as of now, not 1,149. And when you divide 820.5 by 1157, you get .709
Wow, yeah ... I completely messed up again with my addition. Don't really know where those extra 8 games went. –  LATICS  talk  06:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Sports Barnstar

The Running Man Barnstar
I hereby award you The Running Man Barnstar for excellent work on sports related articles, especially related to college football and the Southeastern Conference. Keep up the good work, mate! Cardsplayer4life (talk) 08:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(not) Personal attacks

Rtr10, today at WP:AN/I I requested action by administrators regarding what I felt were your personal insults towards myself and others, in violation of WP:NPA. The consensus among the people (actually all of them) at the section where I posted the inquiry was that you are not conducting personal attacks. Please feel free to continue calling people things like "most ignorant", "anal" and "holier than thou". This is perfectly in line with policy. The thread in question for your review, if you'd like to see, is Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Continued_stream_of_personal_attacks. I've marked the thread as resolved. Sorry to trouble you, and thanks for your time. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Dripping sarcasm above aside, your response to other editors has been a little overly aggressive in recent days. I suggest that you tone it down and ensure that you keep your comments to other editors civil and avoid the commentary as noted above - it's not necessary. Thanks. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
If you read those comments in the full context of each respective discussion you will easily see they are no more agressive than the person who provoked the comment. Hamersoft has gone way out to try to portray myself and other contributing editors as bad people, when we only have the best at mind for Misplaced Pages, while Hamersoft has been only making nagging edits taking away from the overall substance in hundreds of articles, all while contributing nothing. Sorry, that is just the reality of it. If you want to call that aggressive or an attack so be it, but keep in mind, it didn't come out of no where. You always need to look at comments in the full context of things, not just the comments themselves. Rtr10 (talk) 07:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I did, in fact, read through the discussion, which made my head hurt - it's an area of discussion that I take no personal interest in, and that I only approached to evaluate the level of the discussion and the complaints made. I'm saying that in future, please be sure to comment only on the edits, and not on the editors involved - cut down on things like "holier than thou" et al. That's unnecessary in any discussion. I suggest that if you're having issues within that specific sphere of activity, that you start an RFC or use some other form of dispute resolution to draw more editors who can form a strong consensus going forward. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

2009 CFB Kickoff game

I can tell you right now that quite a few Hokies are looking forward to next year's college football game against the Crimson Tide in the Georgia Dome. It should be a really fascinating game, regardless of the outcome. Incidentally, I've put up 2006 Gator Bowl for FAC, and am looking for comments, criticism and support. Anything you'd care to add would be a big help. Thanks! JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I doubt I'll be able to make it to that game, simply due to distance and cost, but I know that's the one everyone on the Tech messageboards is talking about. JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:CANVASS

Please read the above policy. Since you are canvassing people to vote in the RFC on logos, and are doing so completely misleadingly, I suggest you revert yourself on all those pages (or I will do it for you). "As I am sure you know our current standard/system of using logos legitimately with fair use rationales do not violate any wikipedia policy." is a false (or at the very best miseleading) statement. As such, you are making the RfC completely meaningless because of the canvassed votes. Black Kite 15:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I've helped you with the cleanup. Please note that further campaigning is not acceptable. If you wish to encourage wider participation, you are welcome to put a neutral request for additional comments at Village pump for policy or centralized discussion. However, this should be in the form of "Additional comments on this matter are solicited", not in the form of "This side is right, come tell 'em so". As the matter would require a change to a WMF resolution in any case, I'm not sure how significant of a difference the comments here make, but I suppose it would be good to know if a strong desire exists for such a change. It would at least be an advisory for WMF. I find it telling, though, that despite your canvassing, there is no consensus to allow such images. Seraphimblade 18:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping me informed. I would've been irritated if the discussion had an RFC but I wasn't informed. WP:CANVASS doesn't hurt if people want to be canvassed. --Bobak (talk) 19:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
In which case "You may be interested in the RFC here" will suffice. The message that was used here clearly violated WP:CANVASS. Black Kite 21:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Rtr10, this is to inform you (and everyone else), that anything posted by you on my talk page dealing with WP:CFB is not canvassing. I am a full time engineering student, and as such do not have the time to carefully review every item in my watch list. You provide my with quick knowledge and access to pressing issues of WP:CFB. Feel free to post anything on my talk page that you deem necessary. Anything that is removed by anyone (admin or not) under WP:CANVASS will be treated as vandalism. Thanks for all you do. Ndenison  19:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
It is canvassing if it advocates a position or is seeking like minded people. A message to members of the college football project might be acceptable if worded neutrally and not advocating a particular position. Black Kite and Seraphim were both correct in reverting the CANVASS.---Balloonman 17:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
No it was not. No where does it advocates a position or seek like minded people. I have no idea what other users do or do not think. I was simply notifying other active editors on pages that would be effected on the outcome on the RfC. If it is request for comment, wouldn't we want editors of the actual pages being in the discussion to voice there opinions? Seems pretty logical. You can call it what ever you want to, but it was simply one member of the project notifying others of what was going on. I haven't received negetive feedback from any that I have notified, infact have received positive feedback. Rtr10 (talk) 03:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

heated dispute

Hammersoft, Wiggy!, and Rtr10,

I'm leaving this on all three talk pages, and hoping it does more good than harm. Hammersoft and I have been discussing civility a little, and I wanted to chime in. This probably applies to everyone involved in the logo fair use discussion, but I'm just leaving it on your talk pages because you three are directly involved with what Hamersoft and I have been discussing.

Please, all three of you, consider altering your approach to talking to/about each other in the college logo discussion, and your interpretations of civility. You have very different opinions on what is best for Misplaced Pages, but I assure you, they are just that: opinions on what is best for Misplaced Pages. None of the three of you is here to damage Misplaced Pages, and it's beneath all of you to say so. Denigrating and vilifying someone you disagree with, particularly questioning their motives for being here, creates a toxic environment for the rest of us. "Warning" someone who you feel has denigrated or vilified you, rather than talking politely human to human, also creates a toxic environment, and is unlikely to have the effect you desire.

Please consider rebooting your interactions with each other, and approaching this as you would dealing with other adults in your office or somewhere else in real life; it's too easy to be rude on the internet, in a way you would never consider doing to a coworker. You're welcome to criticize each other's opinions on what should or should not be done. You're welcome to state your opinion that other people's approach is damaging to the encyclopedia. To do so is not incivil, but is part of the give and take of discussions that you feel strongly about, and you have to have a thick skin if you're going to participate in heated discussions. But please, all three of you, resolve to respect the motives of everyone involved, bend over backwards to avoid being insulting, and bend over backwards to avoid taking the bait if you think someone else has insulted you.

I'm becoming seriously disenchanted with "civility warnings", templated comments, talk of blocking, indeed talk of "civility policy" at all. "Don't be a dick" pretty much covers everything. I'm just hoping that a plea for everyone involved to treat everyone else involved as an adult that you happen to disagree with is enough to smooth things over.

I'm not online a lot, but I do have all three talk pages watched now, so if you reply, feel free to do it here, or on my talk page, and I'll reply when I get a chance. --barneca (talk) 17:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


New straw poll

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your reversal in the Mark Gottfried article

I marked the article as unreferenced, because it is--Rolltide.com is NOT a third-party publication on the topic of Gottfried. Note what WP:RS has to say: "Misplaced Pages articles should use reliable, third-party, published sources." Rolltide.com is simply not third-party, since it's run by the Athletics department. Why not browse through the Tuscaloosa News, which has run articles on Gottfried plenty of times? Drmies (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Information sourced from RollTide.com is mostly information that cannot be found in other publications. The fact you don't think RollTide.com is a reliable source is laughable. The site is not run by Gottfried or anyone on his staff, it is run by the University of Alabama's Intercollegiate Athletic Media Relations Department, which is totally separate from the basketball program and staff. It is more than acceptable as a reliable source and is used in a plethora of articles on Misplaced Pages. Nothing new about that. Rtr10 (talk) 05:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
You realize that the University of Alabama's Intercollegiate Athletic Media Relations Department really is not so independent from the basketball program, right? Their paycheck comes from the same place (Rose administration, that is). Seriously, why not look up some real independent sources? Oh, and that it is used in other articles is never a good argument. Don't turn Misplaced Pages into a PR department for every athletic program in the country. Drmies (talk) 05:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I work in the Media Relations department, I know very well how it's relationships with each program. Media Relations isn't PR (that would be Public Relations, which is handled by Crimson Tide Sports Marketing) the information you would read in an article in say the Tuscaloosa News would be coming from the Media Relations department to begin with. This is a VERY reliable source. You could debate "third-party" depending on your personal definition of the term, but it is not purpose of Reliable Source policy and I think you know that good and well. If you want to add sources to the article, be my guest, but to say it is not sourced right now is simply incorrect. Rtr10 (talk) 06:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
And before you revert for the third time (also against WP policy), have a look at the article, to which I've added a source. A real one, third-party. Now it's your turn. Drmies (talk) 06:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for contributing to the article Mark Gottfried. As stated above, please feel more than welcome to make such helpful additions. For future reference you might not want to try to treat fellow editors like such a dick, it really reflects poorly on you personally and does not do anything in a means of contributing content to Misplaced Pages, which is what we are all here to do. Hope to see you continuing to edit Alabama athletic articles in the future. Roll Tide!! Rtr10 (talk) 06:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
By now, you have reverted the notice I put up three times, without improving the article and with no other explanation than the clearly incorrect statement that Rolltide.com has nothing to do with the athletics program. I think you should consider WP:RS carefully, and then WP:AGF, and WP:3RR to boot, before you start accusing others of WP:DICK. Contributing to WP means a lot more than removing tags you think are incorrect. You never addressed the actual point: the third-party status, or lack thereof, of what was the only source for the article. I think my alma mater deserves better than edit-warring, which is why I won't press the three-revert point (though that policy was broken), or the vandalism point (which was broken by the removal of the tags without discussing or improving), or the AGF point. Drmies (talk) 16:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
It seems if you were so well versed in these policies, like you think you are, you would know if the context of the issue changes (ie more references are added) then WP:3RR does not apply. I try to sit here and be somewhat courteous to you since you are a new editor to this article, but what do you do? Spit right back in my face. And yes, that is definitely being a dick and there is simply no need. Just purely unacceptable. Rtr10 (talk) 19:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
You've managed to remove three perfectly good references. In your edit summary, you claim you removed a single one, because it's for paid subscribers (which isn't a reason for deletion in the first place--what matters is the reference, not whether someone has free access to it); you replaced it with a notice availabe through Rolltide.com. I have to wonder what this insistence on that website is, that you would delete a reference to an article in the New York Times, one to an article in the Salt Lake Tribune, and a reference to Alabama's own media guide. As for 3RR, perhaps you care to read the "exceptions" on that page--what you refer to is not an exception. Rather than "spit in your face," I thought it'd be wise, in the interest of the quality of that article, to add some respectable sources. Drmies (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
It is an Associated Press article, it is simply published on RollTide.com. And as for a paid reference, it is not exactly useful if you can't see it. Not to mention this is suppose to be a free content encyclopedia. It was a simply mistake removing the note on Utah upsetting Alabama and removing the NY times reference. That has now been corrected. I'd appreciate if you would just move on and stop threatening me. I have much more important things to do than sit around and have to deal with you. You know we could BOTH actually be contributing content to Misplaced Pages right now, but you continue to insist on childish games. Simply unacceptable. Rtr10 (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I see now what happened with that reference and my consolidation thereof, and why you changed to what you in your edit summary call "the full title of the Tuscaloosa News article"--what you entered is NOT the full title of the Tuscaloosa News article, but the full title of the article as it was reprinted on Tidesports.com. The Tuscaloosa News article is found at http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20090126/NEWS/901260295/0/SPORTS01, the reference I added to the Gottfried article immediately after he was fired, a half an hour before you added the duplicate. It is wise, in a chain of reports, to pick the earliest. I'm not going to go and change that around, though it would make the article stronger; I simply want to point out to you that others are not always wrong if they disagree with you, and that a reliance on more immediate sources (Tuscaloosa News rather than Tidesports.com) is better. Drmies (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  • It is the exact same article. TideSports.com is owned by the Tuscaloosa News and simply republish the articles there. Didn't see your reference when I was added that note to the introduction. It is the same article though by the same author (Cecil Hurt) who broke the story. Rtr10 (talk) 21:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Sure it's the same, except for the title--and I'd rather cite from something called "Tuscaloosa News" than from something called "TideSports.com" (something they taught me in Morgan Hall), if only because it looks better in the Works Cited. See, I can play nice and contribute also, and I can do that much more joyfully if I'm not called a dick every time I disagree with someone. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
The only reason I called you a dick is because you were acting like one and I think if you take a step back and look at it from my point of view you'd see how I would perceive it that way. I was serious above though, as for just letting bygones be bygones and starting on a new note. Would love to have your help in editing articles related to the University, which is obviously a special place to both of us. As for the citation, technically the Tuscaloosa News is still the publisher of TideSports.com, but it doesn't really matter either way in my humble opinion. Rtr10 (talk) 21:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Glad to see you guys are being nice. If I could offer a comment to help the process in the future; instead of commenting on each others' editing manner, focus on the issue and only the issue. Telling someone that they suck at assuming good faith usually just aggravates them more. Oh, and of course, throwing around words such as 'dick' can be a bit testing as well. But over all you handled it much better than others I've seen. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 22:31, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


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July 2009

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Misplaced Pages articles, as you did to Malcolm X. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. — ] (talk · contribs) 22:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me Malik Shabazz, but you are not the determiner of what a neutral point of view is. Saying Malcom X was a "Human Rights activist" is a joke and obviously not a written from a neutral standpoint. Don't be a hypocrite Malik, just because you may not believe something doesn't mean it isn't true. Rtr10 (talk) 04:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
NOTE: A citation has been added to the introduction of Malcolm X in a the form of a TIME Magazine article from 1959 specifically identifying Malcolm X as a black supremacist and a leader of black supremacist. This is going above and beyond to show that it is not just a personal view. This is an encyclopedic website. We don't need to sugar coat the history of Malcolm X or black supremacist. We should strive for accuracy, even if it might offend someone. Rtr10 (talk) 04:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
The article from Time doesn't say what you think it says. It only says that Malcolm X, the New York leader of the Nation of Islam, was an ex-con. In any event, please read the rest of the opening paragraph, and the rest of the article. Thank you. — ] (talk · contribs) 04:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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