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Britain's Got Talent Final Results

Hollie Steel finished 6th in the public voting, beating 4 of the other contestants. As over 4,000,000 votes were phoned in, and Hollie got almost 4%, she received around 150,000 to 160,000 votes. The first 4 in the list received 77.8% of the total vote - see below. Also note that it has been pointed out that the telephone number shown for Susan Boyle during some of the scrolls of telephone numbers while voting was ongoing was actually that for Diversity; if only 2.4% of the total number of voters ended up voting for Diversity but meant to vote for Susan Boyle, the results for first and second would have been reversed. We will never know... but Hollie definitely beat 4 of the other finalists in the voting.

Act  % of vote in SF

Diversity 24.9% Dance Troupe 11 mbrs 13-25 yrs old Susan Boyle 20.2% Singer 48 yrs old Julian Smith 16.4% Sax Player 40 yrs old Stavros Flatley 16.3% Comedy Dance Team 41? and 12 yrs old Aidan Davis 6.5% Dancer 11 yrs old Hollie Steel 3.9% Singer 10 yrs old Shaheen Jafargholi 3.8% Singer 12 yrs old Flawless 3.6% Dance Troupe 10 mbrs 21-26 yrs old Shaun Smith 3.4% Singer 17 yrs old 2 Grand 1.0% Singing pair 12 and 76 yrs old —Preceding unsigned comment added by RsHRsH (talk • contribs) 02:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Fan page

Hi all. I added a link to the "External links" to Hollie's main fan page (). Why did you remove it? It is a very good resource, you will find info there which is currently missing in the article, like on the current petition. They are in close contact to Jason Steel. And, if that was your concern, I am not connected to that site in any way. -Malwin (talk) 05:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Fansites are removed as per WP:FANSITE --Uksam88 (talk) 10:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know that. There are tons of rules to learn for any newbie ;-) -Malwin (talk) 17:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Dates

Dates of developments or reports should be included. We often forget that while the information is fresh in our minds - say when Armstrong walked on the moon - we forget that 5 years from now a student will be reading it for the first time and will need dates and times. That is why I put the date back on Steel and Harris. Just a thought. --Dane Sorensen (talk) 15:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of talk page comments

I query why User:Radiopathy deleted comments on the notability of the subject and whether a merger might be appropriate. I must ask that these are re-instated immediately. Such attempts to censor talk pages and control the discussion are contrary to core Misplaced Pages principles. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Such comments as, "Ha, ha. Comparing a talent show contestant to the moon landing - very good. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)" in response to another user's comments are not in keeping with policy regarding article talk pages, particularly BLPs.

You may want to attempt another Afd, despite the closing admin's comments on the last one; you won't get "censored" there, as that's the appropriate venue.

Likewise, if you favour merging, a template at the top of the article will get a discussion started here on the talk page.

But don't come here to disrupt and then cry about "censorship". Radiopathy •talk• 20:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I repeat - the notability of this subject is questionable as commented on here by User:Uksam88 and User:Gwen Gale and myself and . User talk:Radiopathy has removed these comments which is in direct violation of talk page etiquette. My light hearted comment re the moon landing was just that - a light hearted comment. I am asking User talk:Radiopathy again to revert their misguided attempt at censorship. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

You might want to note he also removed one of his own...Uksam88 (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, so he did Jezhotwells (talk) 15:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

You both need to be careful because you are approaching edit warring. However i have reverted the last one because censoring Jezhotwells comment is very close to being vandalism, it was hardly constructive and fairly childish. Uksam88 (talk) 20:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Naming

The article was recently updated to change references such as Hollie to Steel. This is a common usage on Misplaced Pages but seems unsatisfactory for the following reasons:

• The article covers several members of the Steel family and so the family name alone may be ambiguous.
• The usage seems offensively abrupt, falling awkwardly between formal usage — Miss Steel — and informal — Hollie
• The repeated usage of Steel and/or personal pronouns such as she tends to be monotonous and so makes our article seem crude and poorly written.

I suggest that we improve the article by using varying phrases such as the child singer and tearful contestant. I shall perhaps make some attempt at this myself but as we already have differing versions some discussion seems best before more work is done. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)#

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