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	::No worries Cinema. I wish more editors were like you and I am sadned to see that you have once been blocked in the past; though I am pleased that the admin quickly came to his senses and cancelled his earlier action. On the subjects we were discussing: Noel Malcolm is, unfortunately, a "decent Misplaced Pages source" because of his ''noted positive feedback'', his ''works used by other scholars'' and his profession as ''historian''. His writing is very tactful and he occasionally (when writing about Kosovo) denounces Albanian theories, and these factors are enough to fool the less knowledgeable that he is "neutral" on the issues. However, he has a catalogue of criticism as long as the the Tropic of Capricorn; he is forever involved in disputes, having to defend himself, from other scholars whose findings differ from his. The web is full of articles in which he is attacked, then he responds and so on forever. There is a link between his Kosovo and his Bosnia books, they are both anti-Serb and look to ridicule the Serbian nation wherever and whenever possible. As far as Noel Malcolm is concerned, the farther forward in time you go is the greater the Serb "myth". He seems to accept its historical empire, but everything from the middle ages onward concerning them is one thing to Noel Malcolm and another to the Serb nation. He believes his books "dismantle the Serb myths" but I haven't read any Serbian replies thanking him for "enlightening" them on the truth. His writing is plagued with personal opinion and erroneous information; mix the two together and you get "the perfect calculated lie". Serbs in general also know that his works are not original: it has been observed that what the controversial Rexhep Qosja writes in Albanian, Malcolm writes in English. If you look at the bottom of the Talk:Kosovo page, you'll see my reply to Spanishboy who cited Malcolm. In the meantime, something more important: you'll be pleased to know that Spanishboy2006 is begining a 14-day ban from today thanks to J.delenoy. However the rest of us are all on probabtion, Nishkid announced on the talk page that editors on Kosovo are bound by a 1RR. There could be blocks left, right and centre here. I agree with your change on ''state'' to ''territory'' but I wouldn't advise you to revert back if someone switches it. I still have one revert because my last one came ''before'' the regulation was implemented. I only hope the admins are literate and can differentiate between times, because I did revert a short time ''before'' the ruling. Mine was on the issue of naming, with Kedadi and Spanishboy insisting we use Albanian names for the towns. I just don't know whether the admins will block simply for reverting twice or for doing so on two occasions on the same issue. The names of the towns and the disputed status are separate issues, but you know which editors are pushing for which versions. So how the admins act, I don't know. ] (]) 20:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)		::No worries Cinema. I wish more editors were like you and I am sadned to see that you have once been blocked in the past; though I am pleased that the admin quickly came to his senses and cancelled his earlier action. On the subjects we were discussing: Noel Malcolm is, unfortunately, a "decent Misplaced Pages source" because of his ''noted positive feedback'', his ''works used by other scholars'' and his profession as ''historian''. His writing is very tactful and he occasionally (when writing about Kosovo) denounces Albanian theories, and these factors are enough to fool the less knowledgeable that he is "neutral" on the issues. However, he has a catalogue of criticism as long as the the Tropic of Capricorn; he is forever involved in disputes, having to defend himself, from other scholars whose findings differ from his. The web is full of articles in which he is attacked, then he responds and so on forever. There is a link between his Kosovo and his Bosnia books, they are both anti-Serb and look to ridicule the Serbian nation wherever and whenever possible. As far as Noel Malcolm is concerned, the farther forward in time you go is the greater the Serb "myth". He seems to accept its historical empire, but everything from the middle ages onward concerning them is one thing to Noel Malcolm and another to the Serb nation. He believes his books "dismantle the Serb myths" but I haven't read any Serbian replies thanking him for "enlightening" them on the truth. His writing is plagued with personal opinion and erroneous information; mix the two together and you get "the perfect calculated lie". Serbs in general also know that his works are not original: it has been observed that what the controversial Rexhep Qosja writes in Albanian, Malcolm writes in English. If you look at the bottom of the Talk:Kosovo page, you'll see my reply to Spanishboy who cited Malcolm. In the meantime, something more important: you'll be pleased to know that Spanishboy2006 is begining a 14-day ban from today thanks to J.delenoy. However the rest of us are all on probabtion, Nishkid announced on the talk page that editors on Kosovo are bound by a 1RR. There could be blocks left, right and centre here. I agree with your change on ''state'' to ''territory'' but I wouldn't advise you to revert back if someone switches it. I still have one revert because my last one came ''before'' the regulation was implemented. I only hope the admins are literate and can differentiate between times, because I did revert a short time ''before'' the ruling. Mine was on the issue of naming, with Kedadi and Spanishboy insisting we use Albanian names for the towns. I just don't know whether the admins will block simply for reverting twice or for doing so on two occasions on the same issue. The names of the towns and the disputed status are separate issues, but you know which editors are pushing for which versions. So how the admins act, I don't know. ] (]) 20:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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			You are nobody, therefore don't try to act all ape shit. Frankly we're all getting sick of your povness and edits. If you wanna troll these parts of WP then I can play tit for tat. Buh Bye little boy. :) ] (]) 02:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Feel free to leave me a message here. --Cinéma C

Eurovision Song Contest 2009 / Kosovo

I have to be honest, I really do not see the need to explain the status of Kosovo - or any other territory - in an article about a song contest. Readers who do not know about Kosovo can click the link to read more about it; readers who already know won't need to.

We don't list the status of any other territory, and I wouldn't expect - if, as anticipated, the Palestinian Authority joins Eurovision in 2010 - that we would detail the PA's status in future.

To be honest, and I'm trying my best to assume good faith, this seems very close to imposing a political point of view that has no place in an article about a song contest.

Cheers, This flag once was red_deeds 10:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey man

Hey man what is your problem with the constant edit waring, which bit do you feel strongly about, lets discuss it here. Interestedinfairness (talk) 22:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

This comment was answered here. --Cinéma C 19:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

ref on the Serbian name of Kosovo

Could you provide an English link? I've looked and the document you linked requires downloading to be viewed in English, this might violate the rules on verifiability. Also since the link comes from Serbian government, it could be viewed by some people (not me) as an unreliable source. Not being an ass, it's just that citations on this article have to be bullet-proof. Also, could you reply on the Kosovo talk page about this issue and the sentences earmarked for deletion? Yours,Brutaldeluxe (talk) 03:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that it is difficult to find links in English, but since we are dealing with en.wikipedia, we should use that language as much as possible, and it is near on impossible to find info on Kosovo that is in English and neutral. Although I recognise that the present Serbian government is reliable, some other people (I think you know who) might not.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 03:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool, if that is the link on the Kosovo page then it will stay for eternity. Brutaldeluxe (talk) 03:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, you might have misunderstood, I did not dispute the Serbian language name in itself, just the fact that it is referred to as Kosovo and Metohija. I think it's all sorted now anyway. Cheers, Brutaldeluxe (talk) 03:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

My mum went to Korcula and loved it, I went to the inland bit, and stayed in a quiet little village near Sisak called Srednije Mokrice, I had to walk into a minefield to dump sawdust for this guy I worked for. Lots of war damage on the houses, hence the interest in the Yugoslav wars, plus my uncle was in the air force at that time. Lakcu noc.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 03:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Map

Look, you had three days, and you didn't raise any objections, despite your making other edits. There is consensus to use that map now. So restore the map to the consensus version, and if you want, form a new consensus to change it back. Prodego 04:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked

I have temporarily blocked you from editing, for tendentious editing. You are refusing to participate in discussion, thus causing disruptions. Dispute resolution can not ever come from edit warring and edit summaries. See my note at Talk:Serbia. This is going on far too long, and you are bringing uninvolved users and making them involved. Take a break, and discuss your edits after your block has expired. Do not continue to edit war. Keegan (talk) 06:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I blocked you in haste, I have unblocked. Much apologies for blemishing your log, I know how that goes. Please do not edit the page without consulting the talk page. Again, I'm sorry. Keegan (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm keeping an eye out on all the users involved, trust me on that number. I know I can't say it enough so I'll stop saying it after this: sorry about the block. It's for my own conscience, really...happy editing to you. Keegan (talk) 00:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Re

Of course, I will not engage in edit-warring or violate 3RR. However, I see little or nothing wrong with IinF's additions: they are essentially correct, with a dash of POV concerning Kosovo. I've removed the slightly POV parts and rearranged the lede to make the paragraphs connect to each-other. I also see, on the other hand, that you are edit-warring and avoiding proper discussion. I also see that you have not properly explained your edits. --DIREKTOR 07:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Mitrovica

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Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Interestedinfairness (talk • contribs) 10:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:A user...

Hey there, for some reason I missed your reply. I don't check my talk page unless I get a message bar and for some reason I missed it.

I'm keeping an eye out on said user. I usually don't get involved in conflicts unless I feel the need to put a foot down, and for that very reason that I accidentally blocked you in err is why I don't touch actual users in edit warring.

So, I'm aware what's happening, and the proper thing will be done in short order. I realize that is is a non-reply reply, but I tend to be vague for specific reason. Keegan (talk) 05:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

recent edits/reverts

Agree, we need to work on a better lead and article and cut these controversial edits out, in short, make the article vandal and POV proof, the article is about the modern country of Serbia not about its history, there needs to be more focus on the current status, there is more to the country than silly disputes. Brutaldeluxe (talk) 23:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

sockpuppetry by interestedinfairness

I've opened a case here , as this is starting to become extremely disruptive. Feel free to add any evidence of your own. Regards, --Athenean (talk) 07:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Arbiter request

I'm currently deadlocked in an argument with a new editor over edits on the Serbia article, would you care tolook at this and see which version you prefer? Thanks, Brutaldeluxe (talk) 22:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I never thanked you for taking time to look into this, so here it is. Brutaldeluxe (talk) 01:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello!

Cinéma, dont go!! It is soo hard to find someone who is npov.

This is all one user, and we have soooo much problem with him. There must be way to stop that. Please help me with Adem Jashari. There are no way for me to do this alone.

User:Kedadi is also completely pro-albanian, we dont need that kind of edits. I am just trying to keep all as true as it is.

Please, write to me. Also, User:Vanjagenije is also very NPOV, we should talk to him too.

Best regards, Tadija (talk) 12:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello

First of all, your Serbian is EXCELLENT, might i say, the sentence was perfectly constructed and well developed. I was impressed. Im a truly balanced editor, as my future edits will hopefully show.Rex Dominator (talk) 05:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

disruption

Well, I always thought that SpanishBoy was SinBadbarron, I get a feeling that all these guys are acting in unison, so I think we should start a puppet investigation again.

Kosovo editors

Hello Cinema. I read your latest edit on Kosovo talk: I wouldn't take seriously a threat that you of all editors should be banned. I for one would come down heavily on your side if the committee should try you! It won't happen though. I appreciate that you have been objective throughout the entire disupte chain over the past months, but sadly we seem to be dealing with individuals presenting an outright Albanian version of statistics and anyone opposing them is Pro-Serb, or Anti-Albanian. Maybe if a few Serb knuckleheads joined the battle to present the article as "Kosovo is a province of Serbia which is bound by the conditions of UNSCR1244, currently in the hands of ethnic Albanian rebels. The rebels declared independence in 2008 and 62 countries have illegally recognised this unilateral claim", then the Albanian editors would see that you and I are both fair in that we'd oppose their revision too in favour of "disputed territory". Perhaps if they persisted to use their own and dismissed us as Albanian propagandists, maybe then the others would realise that this is not the case. As for the disruptive users, I suggest we do not worry too much about them. They are outnumbered by non-Serb/non-Albanian editors whose purpose is to present a decent article. These include ThuranX (with whom I admit having taken issue over sources), Brutaldeluxe and Dab; none are Serb or come from the region. I have no dea what has happened to Interestedinfairness but the rest of the opponents are Spanishboy2006 (who I find hard to believe in as Iberian as his name makes out) and Kedadi. The other two you mentioned, I don't know who they are or how they came about but they do seem disruptive. But rather than get them banned, why don't we battle them and beat them properly!! Spanishboy2006 out of the blue, recited a pathetic verse by Noel Malcolm from his apology for a historical account "Kosovo: a short history". Not that I know which part of the article Spanishboy wishes to use his source to amend, or what he wishes to use it to add, I spent the best part of two hours responding to him on the talk page. Over issues such as these, I will never throw down my sword and admit defeat. I answered back, and there's more where my last lot came from!! Let's grin and bare these annoying users. I don't suggest we feed disruptive users, but by responding to them every time we can expose them as simpletons! Evlekis (talk) 15:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

No worries Cinema. I wish more editors were like you and I am sadned to see that you have once been blocked in the past; though I am pleased that the admin quickly came to his senses and cancelled his earlier action. On the subjects we were discussing: Noel Malcolm is, unfortunately, a "decent Misplaced Pages source" because of his noted positive feedback, his works used by other scholars and his profession as historian. His writing is very tactful and he occasionally (when writing about Kosovo) denounces Albanian theories, and these factors are enough to fool the less knowledgeable that he is "neutral" on the issues. However, he has a catalogue of criticism as long as the the Tropic of Capricorn; he is forever involved in disputes, having to defend himself, from other scholars whose findings differ from his. The web is full of articles in which he is attacked, then he responds and so on forever. There is a link between his Kosovo and his Bosnia books, they are both anti-Serb and look to ridicule the Serbian nation wherever and whenever possible. As far as Noel Malcolm is concerned, the farther forward in time you go is the greater the Serb "myth". He seems to accept its historical empire, but everything from the middle ages onward concerning them is one thing to Noel Malcolm and another to the Serb nation. He believes his books "dismantle the Serb myths" but I haven't read any Serbian replies thanking him for "enlightening" them on the truth. His writing is plagued with personal opinion and erroneous information; mix the two together and you get "the perfect calculated lie". Serbs in general also know that his works are not original: it has been observed that what the controversial Rexhep Qosja writes in Albanian, Malcolm writes in English. If you look at the bottom of the Talk:Kosovo page, you'll see my reply to Spanishboy who cited Malcolm. In the meantime, something more important: you'll be pleased to know that Spanishboy2006 is begining a 14-day ban from today thanks to J.delenoy. However the rest of us are all on probabtion, Nishkid announced on the talk page that editors on Kosovo are bound by a 1RR. There could be blocks left, right and centre here. I agree with your change on state to territory but I wouldn't advise you to revert back if someone switches it. I still have one revert because my last one came before the regulation was implemented. I only hope the admins are literate and can differentiate between times, because I did revert a short time before the ruling. Mine was on the issue of naming, with Kedadi and Spanishboy insisting we use Albanian names for the towns. I just don't know whether the admins will block simply for reverting twice or for doing so on two occasions on the same issue. The names of the towns and the disputed status are separate issues, but you know which editors are pushing for which versions. So how the admins act, I don't know. Evlekis (talk) 20:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

KOSOVA Article

You are nobody, therefore don't try to act all ape shit. Frankly we're all getting sick of your povness and edits. If you wanna troll these parts of WP then I can play tit for tat. Buh Bye little boy. :) Ari d'Kosova (talk) 02:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)