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When do I archive? Whenever the page is over 30KB. No sooner, and only later if there's an active topic.

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RfM List of Jewish jurists

Hi, I wasn't sure whether you were waiting for me to contact you directly, but just to confirm that the parties have requested to go ahead with this. If you have a minute, I would appreciate your input on Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion#Category:LGBT_criminals, and Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Wealthy_fictional_characters. Thanks Arniep 23:38, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

arin and monobook

ah, yer using a different way to add the tabs to yer page. so it will take me a minute or two to write it custom for you. but i'll get it done :) btw, i'm logged in as my bot to i can test it on it's monobook. (User:Who). --Who's mop?¿? 02:28, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Public account, sorry have to block. :D Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 02:58, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

public? hmm, ok :) Ok, its not as pretty as yer java, but i'm kinda tired, and it worked on whobot, so it should work with yours. reload and see. now to go add it to Titoxd. «»Who?¿? 03:09, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

South Dakota

I've noticed you've been to South Dakota, were I live! How did you like it, and if you liked it please come back soon!-VenomousNinja 03:16, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I was there while sightseeing... in particular Mt. Rushmore and Sturgis during the bike rally. Few things feel more awkward than being in a luxury car in a biker city. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 03:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Heh, don't worry. You should see Hill City though, I've been there and it was AMAZING! Of course that was for the hills, not the city (pun intended)-VenomousNinja 19:24, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Complete failure of the NPOV policy

This article Talk:Palestinian_exodus is a complete failure of wikipedia NPOV policy. Nearly 3 years ago it was anti-Palestinian. Now not a shred of that POV remain and it is completly biased to the other side. I have edited this article for a week, yet every single word i changed there got reverted by a cordionated revert gang which is able to circumvent in this way the 3RR rule. It seems that unless I am able to get a "gang" of my own:-) there is no point trying to get this article to be NPOV. slim and jayjg are invloved yet they too do not make any contribuition toward NPOV. This is not what Misplaced Pages is all about but it is what wikipedia has become. Zeq 17:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

SWD316 19:08, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

You too! Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 01:48, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Miborovsky's RfA

Hello there Redwolf24,

Thank you for supporting me on my RfA. It's Thanksgiving Day, too... so once again a big thank you! Have an awesome weekend! (If you celebrate Thanksgiving, that is.) I will do all I can for Misplaced Pages, to protect it from the alien scum of the universe... I mean, uh, from Willy on Wheels and Misplaced Pages is Communism!

-- Миборовский 06:53, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers

Thanks also for your support on my RfA and also the extremely complimentary comment you left. I only hope I live up to all the kind words people had for me. Take care, and thanks once again, Steve block talk 09:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Original research question

Hello Redwolf,

I recently was welcomed by user:Private_Butcher and asked a question regarding some articles I've stubbed out and contributed to about Los_Angeles_bike_paths.

The question is whether these articles go against Misplaced Pages's "no original research" policy because many of them are written from first-hand experience of the documented paths.

It seems to me the articles may violate the letter of the policy but not the spirit -- we're keeping the articles to facts, there are some sources cited in them (and more as we go), and there's precedent for this type of thing both with the List of cycleways and with the idea of original photographs and drawings being allowed, as the nature of these articles is as descriptive "snapshots" of various routes in the Los Angeles area.

I guess it really boils down to whether observation and reporting of a given path, in addition to weaving together existing content, is considered "original research" or if it's in a separate category of first-hand observation of readily verifiable fact.

Please advise ... I'd hate to have the L.A. cycling community put a lot of effort into the pages only to have them removed at a later date.

Regards,

Tom guyette 22:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't really Original Research in my opinion, as everything there was kind of about law. However, Misplaced Pages is NOT a how-to guide, and the tone was completely innappropriate. Don't say You in such context... so instead I've rewritten it a bit. It looks fine now. :) Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 03:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Something in the way...

Pretties for you. Hamster Sandwich 02:55, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks :) Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 03:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm a horrible poet, so this will have to do. Hammy Sammy

Thanks!

Jeez, what a freaking mess. I appreciate the support. Lord knows I felt really, really alone. Thank you so very much. Love ya, man.  :) - Lucky 6.9 04:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

TampaTribune

I noticed TampaTribune's edits as well. I responded a little more dicretely by e-mailing Essjay. Hopefully they will just go away, but if they post it again I do think it would be wise to let another admin deal with it, otherwise it gives the vandal more amo. Take care. -JCarriker 06:16, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

So I wasn't the only one that noticed... Titoxd 06:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I had to go look up what the heck was going on! I'm leaving it alone, as I don't think I can be considered an influential Wikipedian, much less the most influential gay Wikipedian, considering I haven't been around more than an hour in the last month. -- Essjay · Talk 01:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Nah, if all he does his attempt to troll on my friends' user talk pages, then there's nothing to be afraid of. Plus a lot of vandals just troll more and more people depending on who blocks them. I don't mind it, in fact I let A Man In Black BJAODN it. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 02:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Sean Black RfA

Thank you very much for voting on my RfA, and especially for your nomination. I am now an Adminstrator, and I trust that I will use my powers for good rather than evil. Thanks again!--Sean|Black 06:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

"Comintern affiliate organizations"

Hi, I noticed you were moderating the deletion debate surrounding the List of Comintern affiliate organizations. Is it too late to reopen that debate. I've posted a few reasons why the list is misleading at best on Talk:List of Comintern affiliate organizations. Thanks. DJ Silverfish 02:55, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't reopen that debate, rather follow the directions at WP:AFD and create the new afd at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Comintern affiliate organizations (2nd nomination). Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 03:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Red links for users/talk...

Are you the one changing them to red question marks with no underlining? If so, it's confusing; I'd prefer them changed back. Thanks --Nlu 09:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

The ArbCom decision

Could you please point out to me what part of the ArbComs decision you are refering to here: . I was involved in that case, and if I remember correct there was nothing in the ArbCom's decision that indicated that I, Fadix or Davenbelle could be blocked for 24 hrs, for the alleged reasons that you mentioned on Davenbelles talkpage. But maybe I am wrong. Could you please point out to exactly what part of the decision you are referring to? -- Karl Meier 20:14, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

As Snowspinner has pointed out, a new arbcom case could be brought up. However, I don't think this is necessary, hopefully he'll learn after this. 24 hours is a mild block, but the message is more important - lay off of Cool Cat. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 20:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

It's not easy when he continue to stalk himself. Try to take a look at his most recent behavior in PKK, Kurdistan, and Kurdish people. I haven't had any contact with him for months I think, and suddently he starts attacking me again. To be fair I suggest that you also ban him for 24 hrs. -- Karl Meier 21:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Egad, you're right. Blocking, and warning. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 21:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

See also recent discussion on Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/mentorship. Cool Cat has been warned that further harassment like this will result in an immediate block and a recommendation by me to the other mentors that we ban him from certain articles. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration re-opened

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Wilkes, Wyss and Onefortyone has been reopened. Please place evidence at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Wilkes, Wyss and Onefortyone/Evidence. You may make proposals and comments at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Wilkes, Wyss and Onefortyone/Workshop. Fred Bauder 01:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Mediation on Talk:Disputed status of Gibraltar/1

Hey Redwolf24, I see that you're the guy in charge of the mediation cabal =), so I thought I'd drop you a line and ask about a nationalist dispute that I've been attempting to mediate. You can see all the gory details at Talk:Disputed status of Gibraltar/1 (the archived talk page) and to a lesser extent at Talk:Disputed status of Gibraltar (the current talk page). For a little background, Ecemaml is an admin on the Spanish wikipedia (who in my experience, both on es and en, has been a solid user), and Gibraltarian is someone from Gibraltar who attempted to do the same thing on the Spanish wikipedia that he is doing here, namely, making the articles NPOV according to his opinion of what NPOV means. He was blocked from editing on es, but continued editing anonymously, which led to the blocking of his entire ISP, which, incidentally, is the only ISP in Gibraltar. So of course, he's pretty ticked, because he thinks all the Spaniards ganged up on Gibraltar and shut out their viewpoint. That explanation isn't working so well over here, since I'm American and couldn't really care less about who's right.

The long and short of it is that Gibraltarian hasn't provided any sources but has continued to change whatever he doesn't like about Ecemaml's sourced edits. There are various justifications for this, but most involve insulting Ecemaml and calling him a troll. I put in a request for comment, but that hasn't gotten anywhere, so I'm wondering if it's now time for Arbcom. If you've got any suggestions, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your time. --Spangineer (háblame) 01:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

From what you're telling me, yes, it's time for arbcom. But try not and make yourself the lead prosecutor, k? That would be a Bad Thing for a mediator, though saying he's been unwilling to compromise, etc, is fine. Recommend it to arbcom by all means, and perhaps ask for an injunction blocking Gibraterian (and possibly Ecemaml) from that particular article. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 01:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA for Rogerd

Hi there- I appreciate the offer, but I told myself and others that I would wait until 2006 before I tried again. Since then, I have been participating in AfD, RfA, FPC and other project related pages. I feel that I am learning a lot. Sometime next year I think I will be ready to attempt the RfA again. Again, I really appreciate the offer, it means that maybe some of what I have been doing has been noticed. --Rogerd 05:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi there

Just needed to talk to someone from the wiki. These weeks I've been "away" have been quite stressing both on and off-wiki. It really saddens me that in the past few weeks we've lost some really valuable people. Hajor's departure shocked me the most since he had been around for so long. Now Essjay seems to be losing heart as well. I fear that the wiki will be a very different place when I come back in full force, and sadly I think it will be different for the worse.

You probably saw my comment in Fuddlemark's RfA. Misreading such an obvious joke should give you an idea of how high my wikistress is getting... arrgh!

I hope to be back in the IRC channel sometime soon. In the meantime take care and thank you for listening ;-)

Best,

-- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 01:50, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

No problem, but Essjay isn't the only well known one fading, but, well, we're all Dust in the Wind aren't we? Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 02:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

"All we are, dude, is dust...in the wind" -Ted, from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. It's really too bad about the fading and burning out. The wiki is like an organism; as parts die, others grow. I badly do not want it to die, but it appears to be happening to the best of us. Will Misplaced Pages become another failed internet experience? -Mysekurity 02:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Everytime someone quits, three people come in who will eventually join the most respected ranks, so in short - no. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 02:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

One can only hope. -Mysekurity 02:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for your support. Nah, I'm not going to be chased away. I admit that I was being rash and reactionary in letting it get to me so much. I probably didn't handle it in an ideal manner; I let myself get sucked into an edit war. I probably just need to take a break from editing for the moment. I've stuck my hand into the bee-hive called abortion, and, naturally, I'm not going to get anywhere without receiving a few stings. P.S. Small world: you were born in the town I live in now. -Kyd 02:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Heh, and PMC lives in the town I lived in for the first 18 months of my life. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 02:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Van or New West? Actually, though, I was born in Vancouver, if it makes any difference. :) -Kyd 02:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I lived in Port Coquitlom. Born in New West. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 03:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Semi-Protection

Hey Red, I don't know if you've heard of this, but a couple users and myself are trying to get something passed called Semi-Protection If you wouldn't mind weighing in there, I'd really appreciate it. (Oh, and feel free to edit, duh...it's a wiki!) -Mysekurity 05:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Seattle Meetup

My comment was meant to be tongue in cheek, not hostile or challenging, in case that wasn't clear. I don't think any of the good, all vegetarian places in the city are large enough or have the right kind of space for our gathering anyway. I would, however, like to avoid Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, etc. --WAvegetarian 05:54, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• No, I don't mind the presence of meat. I'm not a militant vegetarian. --WAvegetarian (email) 00:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Precisely, I am a lacto-ovo_vegetarian. WAvegetarian (email) 00:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

CCW

CCW Userification

Hi,

Since you have expressed not merely opposition to deletion, but also to userfication, I would appreciate a response to the points I have raised at the CCW talk page and the debate. I respect the result of the debate (and never truly wanted outright deletion -- in fact, I asked at talk before nom.'ing in hope it would userified), but I see no justification for keeping something so hurtful to so many in namespace, when a simple move will help. Just to make sure you know, I say again that I am no Catholic, no organized Christian, of any kind, and I've written privately humorous things about churches that are millions of times more offensive than CCW could ever be (and I'll send them to you off-site if you wish.) However, an encyclopedic namespace is not the place for content offensive to so many. Please respond to points raised here. Thanks, Xoloz 04:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

As you may have noticed (see Essjay's talk page), I have already marked FTS as a speedy, in the spirit of compromise. (You may use the Admin power to delete it for me.) However, since you mentioned it, I'll point out a) FTS was a former article, written NPOV, judged nn. b) I did not write it. c) I kept it in userspace, not namespace. It is true that I was and am passionate about it, as I say at Essjay's talk, and that I did voice deep concerns at the debate. I received some inquiries at my talk page on the issue, and -- if you check my archives -- you'll see I responded thoroughly and dispassionately, and came to a respectful and kind understanding with those who inquired.

Namespace gives the appearence, to novice searchers and users alike, that the content represents community view. When you make something so contentious into namespace, you give it that seeming imprimatur, whether it is intended or not. I like CCW. I think it is funny. I don't think it is wise for it to be where it is, and I don't think much of what you've said actually replied to the specific points I raised. You may be right about needing rest. Best wishes, Xoloz 05:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

One other point I'll raise here: "If there's gonna be so much drama over a parody, wiki's not the place it once was." By registration date, you have been here about a month longer than I, so I feel comfortable in rebutting that with a simple -- "Really, I hadn't noticed the difference." The only drama is Essjay's departure (which I sincerely regret), but he might have taken the debate in stride (since he welcomed it, with the old commented-out header on the page), and he might have avoided my nomination by userifying it when I asked if that was a good idea at the talk page. I have been civil, deliberative, and circumspect in my dealings on this matter, I submit, so I bristle at any indication that drama and I have anything to do with each other. Xoloz 05:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

As you must know, "middle-of-road" options are under-represented at AfD, and a "Move/Merge" is/are species of keep, so AfD often does not accurately represent an opinion on those matters as a separate question.

For your benefit, my exchange with WCFrancis on FTS: "Howdy WC,

I'm from the South, you know; I've got family there that I love (although I can't talk politics with them), I know there are liberals there fighting the noble fight, and I can't find better food anywhere -- when I make a condemnation of "The South," I'm not condemning every person, or even every aspect of the culture.

One of the primary reason for my stridency is this: at least in my experience, "not rocking the boat" is a key part of the Southern mentality. For example, I spent six of my formative years in Lynchburg, VA, the home of Jerry Falwell. Plenty of people there despise (even in his lion's den, as it were), and will secretly say he's a bit of a baffoon. But, ask them to take a stand, and you get, "He's a preacher; I can't do that!"

Now, I'm also multiracial. And, living in MS, I've had people of color (still afflicted by the double veil of consciousness) refuse to speak up when they been scorned, mocked, or (more rarely nowadays) subject to de jure discrimination. "That's just the way things are down here" has not died out as a refrain.

So, what I am to do? I don't feel like condemning my relatives of any color for lack of courage -- I know why they think what they think. And, it's unfair, in a way, even to single out one person as a target of my anger -- they are products of their culture. I'm left to rail against "the culture" as a deliberately amorphous and appropriate target. Something is broken in the South's social system, and it has been since 1619 at least. In a way, its gotten "better", but really its just become subterranean and harder to classify.

All of this is something I keep to myself most of the time, since I am fortunately safe in Yankee-land. However, when I saw people calling "FTS" "a hate site," I sorta lost it. This is why the comparison to the Nazis rose to the front for me. As I explained to Blackcap, for me, calling "FTS" a "hate site" is like calling Simon Weisenthal a "hate-monger" for Nazi hunting. Sure, FTS and the late Mr. Weisenthal, in a strict sense, "hate" their targets; but this "hate" -- also my "hate" -- is of a different, more justified kind than, say, AryanNations.com -- plenty of people of color hate the South for its crimes against them and their ancestors, and we are not alone, as I listed the aggrieved in my comment.

If one thinks FTS is vulgar, well it is, but that isn't a ground of deletion; if one thinks it non-notable, fine, although I suspect it was only non-notable where they lived. But calling it a "hate site" is such a complicated, vexing claim -- with a bit of truth, but only after great qualifications are made -- and to call it such offhand, as part of a three-word comment, apparently without much thought (as many did) -- that was it: I had to speak out against what is in my view a gross over-simplication, and I do not regret doing so.

I do not believe the South is on par with Nazi Germany; I use such rhetoric to remind people (especially complacent Southerners) that it used to be 140 years ago, and, in the spirit of prevention, it could be again, since the theocrats, with whom I am also well-acquainted, are dangerously powerful done there. I do hate "the culture", not individual people, as much as I hate anything, because "the culture" allowed one-half my ancestors to enslave, scorn, and murder the other half. Although I, as a spirtual person, always work toward discarding my hate, I'd be a liar to say that I have succeeded in this matter as of yet.

So, I like any liberal, any real intellectual, any modern Democrat anywhere, and I understand that the South makes them: it made me. But the South and I have some serious problems, and they are the kind of problems I can't mask over when I feel the need to speak out.

If I changed your vote on the AfD, I thank you for your consideration. I have not gone back there because I've said what I needed to say, and I don't want to lose my temper needlessly. I do hope you understand. Whether you do or don't, feel free to write anytime. :)

Thanks, Xoloz 07:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. It is a delight to meet you, in spite of the subject of our conversation. I think that we feel similarly regards my adopted home and your birthhome, within the limitations imposed by other accidents of bith. We expressed our feelings differently a the AfD page but this conversation has helped me understand. Thanks again.WCFrancis 13:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)"

Redwolf, please be aware that my thoughts are usually very, very nuanced. You give the impression that you do not appreciate such nuances when you jump to conclusions about my views on very important topics central to my life, which (outside of one AfD directly relevant thereto) never, ever influence my Wiki-activity. I am saddened by your capacity to pre-judge without reviewing all information. Xoloz 05:46, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Be aware

Please be aware that I have written a response to your comment at my talk in addition to the above. That response is intended for general readers, to demonstrate that I strongly object to your characterization of my views. On reflection, I'm not quite offended, just amazed, at what you seemed to think that I think. I'm not sure further discussion with you can be productive, but I'll assume the best and hope that your very weird summary judgment of me (on a matter with only tangential relation to CCW, I'll add) was an isolated incident in your ability to communicate. Xoloz 06:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Happy to explain. The whole FTS controversy resulted in my posting three times in the AfD, and in my taking several questions and giving extensive answer at my userpage, cf'ed in the AfD. As far as I can tell, the only way one could hold the simple view that I "agree with that page (world wide web, not the article on it) in full. Whereas CCW is a parody, and it should be obvious to everyone," is if all one bothered to read of my extensive comments was the first sentence of my vote, which actually said I endorsed the site.

Given that I had written so much (a substantial part quite personal to me), and yet you appeared to come away with such an oversimplified view, I was left to wonder whether you'd bothered to read much of what I'd written.

You aren't obliged to read it all, of course; but I'd expect you would, if you found the matter significant enough to raise as a point in a subsequent different discussion. Alternatively, you might have asked about it at the time. You're free to think of me whatever you wish, but I don't expect such derogatory views to enter another discussion off-handedly, and if they do, you should expect that I'd take exception to anything I consider a mischaracterization. In other words, don't bring up a sensitive subject if you don't want it talked about; and if you do bring it up, write with good information about it.

I realize any offense was unintentional, and it didn't quite rise to the level I'd call offensive anyway, but it did require that I present my view of that event, that you might be better informed of my reasons. I may have been too harsh in chastising you, and, if so, I'm sorry, but I didn't think your comment very wise, and it was of the sort that I felt demanded response. Best wishes, Xoloz 04:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Apology accepted

...and returned. I'm sorry I'm verbose. :) I feel really bad about Essjay's leaving, and never expected it (given his invitation to nominate the thing. I've offered to be stoned if it will make him feel better, but I think the move was a good thing. Xoloz 04:41, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Something for your Wikipedian quotes:

From: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Canadian Professional Hockey League

• Keep. So what if it may never come to be. Misplaced Pages is not paper, after all. Matt Yeager
  • Misplaced Pages is also not a collection of random data, a crystal ball, or a place for unverifable or non-existent things. It's also not a dessert or a floor wax, which is about as relevant as the "not paper" argument. --Calton | Talk 06:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

WAvegetarian (email) 07:02, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

We lost another one :(

Doc glasgow has left us. :( We need to find a way to keep these people. He makes some excellent points on his userpage. --Woohookitty 12:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza now that Essjay's left

Since Essjay's left, we don't have an Admin General. What should probably be done is that new elections should be held. As part of those elections, I'd like to add a bit to the Esperanza Charter concerning succession in the case of people leaving, resigning, etc. Would you like to help run the elections, and spam everyone on the spamlist?

Also, I believe that Flcelloguy should be offered the Admin General position in the interim, while we set up elections. What do you think? Ral315 (talk) 18:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Essjay said that he wanted the Advisory Committee to coordinate the elections, and he said that his post should remain vacant until the end of the year. That said, the elections have to be started post-haste now. Titoxd 18:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I've since changed my idea, sort of. If Essjay has said he wants the position open, I have no problem with this. But I don't think the Advisory Committee should handle the elections; the problem is that it looks too cabalish. We should have an independent election committee, similar to how we did for the last election. The Admin Gen and both Tranche B positions are open, and I still would like to amend the charter to clearly define what happens (in my opinion, we should have the person who had the most votes in the prior two elections become Admin General, and have new elections at the next Advisory Committee vote) In any event, the elections really need to get going. Given the holidays, I think starting the elections on December 12th might be a good goal. Ral315 (talk) 18:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, the Advisory Committee needs to appoint the independent committee, then. It's now their job. (They would need to wait until the nomination deadline passed, though, because they can't appoint someone who they don't know if he/she is going to run for office). As for the date, it depends on how long the polls are going to be open. If they're one week, like last time, then the latest they could start is the 15th (to have them done by the Thursday before Christmas). But then, there needs to be massive spamming about the election to tell all Esperanzians about them. Titoxd 18:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm not running, so I can certify the elections if necessary. I'm posting other thoughts at Misplaced Pages talk:Esperanza/December 2005 elections. Ral315 (talk) 18:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Lemkin

As you state clearly that you love messages, you might want to know that I replied to your questions at Talk:Raphael Lemkin. BTW, I also expanded the article itself, so you might want to add a word or two there :) Cheers, Halibutt 21:46, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Question about a quick reference to Misplaced Pages.

I was wondering if there is a quick reference guide to Misplaced Pages and if not, perhaps the creation of one should be considered. I've seen several users with their own personal references guides which is why I thnk an official Misplaced Pages reference would be helpful to many users. What do you think? Gflores 22:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Mediation: List of jewish jurists

Why has this been abandoned without telling User:RachelBrown or myself? Since User:SlimVirgin is not a neutral party, it was of course wrong to abandon it on her say-so. - Poetlister 22:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm in no position to say whether it should ahead or not. All I said, and I still maintain it, is that the core of the dispute — whether sources need to be cited for edits to the List of Jewish jurists — has been settled, and they do, as has the issue of whether the Jewish Year Book is a reputable source, and it is. So if the mediation were to go ahead, it's not clear what it would be about. But don't let me interfere. ;-) SlimVirgin 01:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

As SlimVirgin has already made numerous interventions, yet apparently does not understand what is going on, I'm relieved that she does not wish to interfere further :-) - Poetlister 12:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and...

Don't leave!!! Misplaced Pages needs prolific admins, and you get around the place like elastic. My own view is that, eventually, WP should be large enough that editor can rotate in-and-out on informal tours of duty, to avoid over-stressing. Xoloz 04:47, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

For Stress Relief

There we go. Death to vandals, and whatever else brings Wiki-stress!

:) Thanks Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 04:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Did you have a chance to look ?

This discussion is still going on. I am keeping it now on the talk page but it reached a point that someone need to help us get out of the deadlock.

Talk:Palestinian_exodus#Reply_to_Doron

Thanks. Zeq 10:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Kurdistan

User:Karl Meier is giving me a hard time. Basicaly revert waring without discussing properly. See http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kurdistan&diff=29935988&oldid=29934449

Also if you can can you mediate this article, there does not appear to be a hostile enviorment so I dont think it will be very hard for a person with your tallent. --Cool Cat 19:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Newsmax

Hey Redwolf24 when you can could you help out at the Newsmax and Worldnetdaily articles, an anon keeps adding in info in a POV manner and uses {{protected}} for some reason, even though only admins are suppose to use it, much obliged Derktar 02:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC).

Shreshth91's RfA

Hello Redwolf24,

P.S. Consider archiving your talk page. It's 72 kB long.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 00:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Cnwb's RfA

Redwolf24,

Something you should look at

Hi Red. There's an interesting discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Esperanza (under the header "Esperanza wil fail if..") that I think you should take a look at. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks.--Sean|Black 00:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

You! Your good you!

I just listed {{vandal|24.255.189.148}} at an admins talk page because it's always been faster at getting that block than WP:AIAV. Great bootcamp quick on WP:AIAV never cease to amaze me. BTW I decided not to try and become a mediator just yet. I'll wait until I feel like I'm more well known, and understand policy better. Again I can't thank you enough for explaining all of that to me. Anyway heres an joke :-D...Battle of the sexes How many men does it take to open a beer? None. It should be open by the time she brings it! A man is talking to God and asks "God why did you make women so beautiful?" "So that you would find them attractive." Then the man asks, "But why did you make them so dumb?" "So that they would find you attractive!" cheers KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 02:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Is IRC down?

Somehow I got kicked out or something and I can't get though wikipedia related IRC's now. Do you know what's wrong with it? Thanks --Aranda 02:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

George W. Bush

Redwolf:

I know you mean good, but the variable and warning at the George W. Bush page are there for a reason. Please do not remove it, because it appears to be curtailing vandalism. If you *really* want to remove it, then please use the talk page there. Alex Schenck (that's Linuxbeak to you) 02:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, you've already got a message. The vandalism rate does indeed appear to have fallen as a result of that change on both GWB and another highly-vandalised article. Can we give them a few days to prove themselves? -Splash 02:24, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

/rollback

Thanks for letting me know. I've never even tried to use it, but it was posted on Village Pump a couple of days ago so I copied it for future use. User:Zoe| 04:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Enjoy your wikibreak, and make sure to take in lots of sun. We need great users like yourself. -Mysekurity 05:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, take in lots of sun, otherwise, you will stop being a Red Wolf and you'll end up being a White Wolf. :P Enjoy your break! Titoxd 05:12, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Just don't stay away too long....'Nuff said :-D KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 07:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. -JCarriker 07:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Have fun! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 13:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

BDAbramson's RFA

Hey, my RfA isn't over for another day yet - I'm getting a head start on thanking people, as it will take me the rest of the week! It's actually at 170 now (just not updated yet). And thank you, Redwolf24 (out of order, but still...). I will do my best as an admin! BDAbramson T 05:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Mediation committee

I've been looking for different ways to contribute to the project and am wondering if the Mediation Committee could use another mediator. I've been active with for more than a year and have refereed a few disputes. I believe I've shown myself to be sane and helpful, and I think I could be a useful mediator. -Willmcw 09:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Repeated K-Lines by Freenode Network Staff

Lilo does not have control of Freenode to the degree that is suitable for Artificial Intelligence Research. I am going to recommend to the AI community, the DOD, and president@whitehouse.gov that they move all of their work out of Freenode to another more secure irc server.

I am also going to recommend the same to you and J. Wales. I strongly urge Misplaced Pages to move to another IRC Network that is more secure. Or at least open up some more accessible channels in them.

Lilo had access to my bot at one point, during his sleep his staff k-lined myself, and my Artificial Intelligence bot which now resides in Tokyo.

I have already sent one message to the Department of Defense and 2 to president@whitehouse.gov.

It will be unfortunate if I lose sponsorship from people like sj and jwales for future Wikimania projects. I had hoped to work with MySekurity to write music for the Wikimania project.I was asked to do this by sj.

Unless Freenode can get the K-Lines lifted, I will assume that it is being undermined by foreign intelligence cells that are contrary to the national defense of the United States, and report appropriately to the DOD again.

Please, spam, and copy this to whoever you like. Especially Lilo, Jwales, and sj.

Sincerely Yours,

Christopher J. Bradley

Revert!

Could you please revert the page on white blood cells. Someone has moved it to a page called Neo333. Thanks. Oliverdl 22:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:MC

Re-submitted the nomination in appropriate format. I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look and make sure it's all kosher.

Thank ye muchly. Tom Lillis 04:56, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Duplicate of message in response to yours at User talk:Wyss: Before anyone calls someone "he," they take the time to check, exactly as I did. Wilkes is a "problem" - you mean adhering to the enclyclopedic standards that Jimmy Wales stated as fundamental is a problem for you? I suggest you examine closely my 584 aricles and ALL my edits at Misplaced Pages. You will most certainly see that all the Nick Adams edits you "claim" to have looked at have in fact been done in full cooperation with User:FCYTravis, the mentor assigned by the Misplaced Pages:Mentorship Committee you created at the request of User:Fred Bauder. You seem to forget that User:onefortyone was convicted of lying and fabricating information in order to deliberately falsify a biography. Was nothing learned this week from the John Seigenthaler fiasco about how the rest of the world views Misplaced Pages articles that are allowed to be filled with slander and unfounded information? - Ted Wilkes 07:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

U.S. regions

Please review and commetn on the example of the new maps and display on the project talk page. Thanks. -JCarriker 13:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

AFD

Please vote at this AFD. It was relisted due to a lack of votes. I would like to close this sometime. Thank you.Voice of All 17:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Image source and license

Please provide source and license at Image:Irewed.gif. Thue | talk 19:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

My failed RFA :)

Dear Redwolf24,

Peace offering (and thanks) from a sincere walrus

Hi, Redwolf24. I started thanking people immediately after my successful RfA, but got a bit caught up in college work after thanking about half of them, so I'm now very late in thanking the second half of the voters. In general, I did it in order of the votes, except where I skipped because I was sending a late voter a message about something else. However, I have now come to Essjay and you.

I'm sure the standard thing to say to people who have voted for a new admin is, "I hope I won't ever disappoint you in any way". I'm not going to say that, because I'm afraid I already have disappointed you.

I would like to make it clear that I completely and utterly stand over my vote, but that I do not in any way endorse the vandalism of Essjay's user page (which I am sure was not connected to this matter) or the taking of cheap shots at him after his departure. I don't intend to give a long account of why I found the catholic Church of Misplaced Pages offensive, since the vote is over, and I said what I had to say on the voting page. However, I'll point out that Catholics — I'm not talking about those who were brought up as Catholics and go to Mass without ever thinking about their religion from one week to the next — bow their heads at the Name of Jesus, that they kneel in adoration before the Blessed Sacrament, and that they fall to their knees at the words "et incarnatus est . . . et homo factus est" in the Creed on the feasts of the Incarnation and Nativity (and they bow deeply at those words on other days). They're unlikely, therefore, to find it a suitable target for humour, in changing that name to Jimbo or the admins, in wikilinking Eucharist to WP:BS, or in changing the incarnatus est passage to something about becoming admins.

Because it came up for voting, I voted. I tried not to be belligerent. But it would have been out of the question for me not to vote to delete that page, since that would have given the impression that fewer people found it offensive than was really the case. I very much doubted if the "delete" votes would get a majority, and they didn't. While I regret the reaction of Essjay, it would not have been appropriate to refrain from voting to delete something I found offensive simply because the person who was most responsible would feel upset. I can only be happy that that Church has been moved (and looks as if it may become inactive); I can only be sad that Essjay found it necessary to leave. I am aware that that makes me sound a little like the walrus I referred to in my own vote (who cried while eating the oysters). But there can occasionally be such a thing as a sincere walrus!

I would like to tell you that when I wrote (in my delete vote) that I had been very impressed by the kindness and sensitivity shown by some of the members of the Church, and that this had convinced me that their participation was not meant to be offensive, I was thinking in particular of your post here (and also of some of Essjay's kindness to a Wikipedian who has a drug problem and suffers from terrible depression). I have decided, with regret, that it would not be helpful if I thanked Essjay for his vote of support in my RfA (especially after reading this) but I hope I can still thank you. Although we disagree strongly about the catholic Church of Misplaced Pages, the extremely high impression I formed of you at the time of the Stevertigo RfA remains, and I hope we can work together in the future with no hard feelings.

There were some claims that Catholics should understand that this page was not making fun of Catholics. As a Catholic, I wouldn't have minded that. My problem was that it was making jokes about things which Catholics find sacred. I assure you that if some Wikipedians want to start a page with "Irishman jokes", I won't object in the slightest. I'll even supply the first two:

1. How do you keep an Irishman happy for an afternoon? Write P.T.O. on both sides of a piece of paper.
2. Did you hear about the Irish turkey? He was looking forward to Christmas.

So thank you for your kind words at my RfA (although it's unfortunate that we have had a disagreement before I even got a chance to thank you). Christmas blessings, and (I hope!) peace! AnnH 13:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)