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"I am a Palestinian. Hath not a Palestinian eyes? Hath not a Palestinian hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Jew is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that -- the villainy you teach me, I will execute; and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction." Tariq Ali's take on Shakespeare in the Khaleej Times "It is not enough for the settler to delimit physically, that is to say with the help of the army and the police force, the place of the native. As if to show the totalitarian character of colonial exploitation the settler paints the native as a sort of quintessence of evil ... The native knows all this ... he knows that he is not an animal, and it is precisely at the moment he realizes his humanity that he begins to sharpen the weapons with which he will secure his victory. From Frantz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth

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You deserve this...

		The Geography Barnstar
		is hereby awarded to Tiamut for exemplary development work on the Outline of Palestine. The Transhumanist    23:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You've done an incredible job on this.

I can hardly wait to see how you finish it up.

If you need ideas, here are some examples: Outline of Vatican City, Outline of Japan, Outline of Iceland, Outline of Taiwan, Outline of Thailand, and Outline of Gibraltar.

(Pictures can relate a great deal about a place and its people).

Keep up the great work.

The Transhumanist    23:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: please consider joining the WP:WPOOK.

I second Transhumanist, your work is amazing and invaluable! -- penubag  (talk) 00:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome :) -- penubag  (talk) 00:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thirded (if thats even a real word), I was considering giving you a barnstar myself! Highfields (talk, contribs, review) 19:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

replied

on my talk. nableezy - 18:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

On Canada Park

Hi, I now understand there is a fourth region in Palestine called "no-mans land". First reading about the sources learns I don't understand enough. The stand-off did not change the UN-borders, did it? Well, I take a dip into the naming-thing too. More eyes to be opened. -DePiep (talk) 23:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Putting Palestinian people up for AFD

I've decided to request your advice for this. Clearly no measure of public debate can expose the truth, however by increasing awareness of the article, a solution can be reached. Should we put this up for AFD? --Warm as ice (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

For your information: WP:AN/I#User:Warm as ice request admin action. Cheers. Zero 11:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

List of birds of Palestine

Hi, your bird list is a bit out of kilter with similar country lists. It's usual to list in taxonomic order, see for example, List of birds of Thailand, which you could use to sort out the order, or perhaps amend List of birds of Israel which although more basic is more relevant in terms of species. You can put the status next to each species, and perhaps put in a paragraph of text about migration without listing all the migratory species. Although soaring birds are particularly relevant, because they will not fly over the Med, many other species pass through as well Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

if you use the Israel article as a template, which I recommend since it has family summaries too, note that the headings and TOC are over-capitalised, eg Shearwaters and Petrels should be Shearwaters and petrels. You can illustrate your article, and the Thailand page will help you with layout. If you get stuck, let me know Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Your birds of Palestine reference seems suspect Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I've got the Firefox WOT extension, which evaluates this as a suspect site. Having said that, it appears to have been assessed by only one person, and I can't really see what the problem is. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you're right, the site looks innocuous, and most of the bird lists start from Avibase. You could save a lot of time on the list by just copying across the Israel list (I wonder if it includes the occupied territories?) cutting out any species not recorded in Palestine, and adding any recorded in Palestine but not Israel. Let me know if you get stuck Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I've edited the Israel list to remove the excessive capitalisation. I've also replaced US names and spelling with BE where I've spotted them (Avibase uses American names and spelling throughout) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Architecture

Wow, a lot of work! It's a nice article. I think there are a couple of places, particularly in the vernacular architecture section where it comes close to POV, but I'm conscious that it's in your user space so I haven't commented or amended Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Impressed

You're welcome :). Hopefully we can steer him towards an area where he can be more productive - if not, at least we tried. I've been to Jerusalem before and greatly enjoyed it - the Dome of the Rock is possibly the most beautiful man-made object in the world. Unfortunately Ironholds aged 9 didn't know what happens if you take every picture with the flash on, and none of them came out :(. Ironholds (talk) 12:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Will do :). I was lucky enough to see it right up close about six months before they closed the whole area off (I don't know if they've reopened it to us genocidal warmongers yet. Out of interest, while it might not be your area in anything more than a geographical sense, do you know anything about the Church of the Holy Sepulchre? I've got a history of the thing waiting for me at uni and I was looking to get it up to GA or similar. Ironholds (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Shit, that sucks :(. It's an odd day when a lapsed Jew finds it easier to get to the Dome than a Palestinian married to a Muslim. I wont't be able to start the rewrite until September (as I said, the book is at uni) but I'll give you a poke once I start doing so :). The architecture article looks brilliant, and I'll take a looksee in the university library when I get back to see if there are any architecture/design books that might help. Ironholds (talk) 13:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Religious and racial tolerance = good. I find it helps to remember that at the end of the day all races, religions, ethnic groups and the like are made up of individuals like you and me, and that to damn those individuals entirely based on a particular association makes you no better than them. On a side note, while you've probably heard of him, if you haven't you might want to check out Aviv Geffen, a big leftist Israeli jew notable for publicly speaking out against the situation in the holy land, his refusal to serve in the IDF and so on along a similar vein. His song "cloudy now" is an excellent example of his leanings (although if you don't speak hebrew you might find it better to listen to the English version he recorded with Blackfield). Ironholds (talk) 13:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeedy, it's been a pleasure to chat. I'm actually at work, so I should probably get off the intertubes anyway :). Ironholds (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Montefiore Windmill

Thanks for restoring that text. There is another issue which has arisen, see the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You've got nothing to be sorry for. I've given more than adequate explanation of the refs for the name. Will investigate the Arbcom matter as referenced material was removed from the article. Meanwhile, have one of these:-

Mjroots has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Mjroots (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Hummus Dispute

Left you a message on talk page Talk:Hummus#Dispute_Levant_as_Arab Igor Berger (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

As I said there, there is no dispute in the sources. So I won't be participating in that discussion any further. Feel free to retag the article if you like. I don't have time for this kind of misuse of NPOV tags, given the misuse of these tags at another article I am working on: Land Day. Tiamut 17:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for re-tagging the article. You are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Igor Berger (talk) 17:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the cookie

I left a message with Igor's post-block mentor. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Stalking

If you really think I'm stalking you, I encourage you to report me. Otherwise please don't make accusations you can't back up
I responded to your other queries on my talk page. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course I can back up the accusation, otherwise it would not be made. See User:Tiamut/No More for an outline of how I came to this conclusion. I think it would be best for you to admit that you have been following me around, and commit to not doing it anymore. There is really no other explanation for your edits between July 20 and July 30th. Every single one is one an article that I was either developing heavily previously or had just made an edit to. Its disingenous for you to pretend there is an alternate explanation.

I won't be reporting right now. I've given you what I consider a final warning. Do not follow me anymore. Okay? Tiamut 21:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The proof is in your head. The fact I made edits to 4 articles you happen to have edited is hardly proof. There is a very good alternative explanation which I'll happily present when you file your report.
Again, I encourage you to report me if you're sure I'm stalking you. I won't be threatened out of editing IP articles. Make your complaint. Lets see if it holds water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by No More Mr Nice Guy (talk • contribs) 22:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The fact that every single one of your edits over the last ten days have been to articles I edited either directly before you did or that I had been working on extensively previously is no coincidence No More Mr Nice Guy. I've given you two warnings now, and if you edit directly after me at an article you have not edited previously again, I will file the report. This is not a threat. It's a fair warning. Take it or leave it. There are thousands of I-P articles, thousands of which I have not touched. I'm sure it will be easy to find some. The ball is in your court. Tiamut 23:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No, the ball is in your court. You're the one making the accusation. I shall continue to edit whatever I please. You decide if you want to file a report or not. I'm sure it will have no more merit in the future than it has now, which is probably why you're not filing it. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I won't be bullied into filing a report No More Mr Nice Guy. They are time-consuming and a waste of energy (just like this discussion). I've said what I want to say and you do what you want to do, andd we'll see what happens in the future. Happy editing. Tiamut 23:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/WikiProject outreach

Note

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:Jaakobou

-- Jaakobou 10:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:Jaakobou

-- Jaakobou 11:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:Jaakobou

-- Jaakobou 11:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline Update - Basking in the light of knowledge - 07/28/2009

Phase two of outline integration (de-orphanizing outlines by adding links leading to them into article see also sections) is nearly complete. The better that outlines are integrated into the encyclopedia, the more use they will be to readers.

Due to greater exposure through outline integration, and with most of the OOK team on school summer vacation, development activity on outlines has increased a lot...

New members

Be sure to welcome our newest members to the team:

• Tiamut
• Mandsford

News: Outline of Palestine survives AfD

The outline was nominated for deletion for being too general in scope. The consensus was overwhelmingly for keeping it.

The most memorable comment was posted by Mandsford: I like the poetic name, anyway. . "Master Plan of Pakistan" and "Rough Sketch of Bangladesh" would be good too.

Special thanks to Tiamut for greatly improving the outline, and helping to save it from AfD.

To keep track of outline AfDs and other outline-related discussions, see WP:OOKDISC.

Who's active on Misplaced Pages this summer?

Courtesy of Rich Farmbrough, here's a list of editors by their edit counts over the previous month (8th June to 8th July).

It would be nice to get the most prolific Wikipedians involved with WP:WPOOK. If you can, find a good reason to contact one or more of them, and invite them to work on a relevant outline - or all 500!

Who's been up to what?

• Buaidh, Highfields, and Gimme danger have been working on the government sections of the country outlines. Being that there are about 240 of these, with critical information being filled in on each, this is by far the hardest and most important chore of this WikiProject right now.
• Penubag is working on a redesign of the top OOK page.
• Tiamut has done an incredible job developing the Outline of Palestine.
• And kudos also go to Eu.stefan for his work on Outline of Buddhism.

Thank you.

Here's what else has been going on...

New outlines

Recently created outlines include:

• Outline of England - TT
• Outline of Scotland - TT
• Outline of Buddhism - Eu.stefan
• Outline of ancient Greece - TT

Recently converted to outlines

These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format and added to the OOK:

• Outline of the Vietnam War - was "List of Vietnam War-related topics" - TT
• Outline of combinatorics - was "List of combinatorics topics" - converted by Minnecologies
• Outline of category theory - was "List of category theory topics" converted by Minnecologies
• Outline of scientific method - was "List of scientific method topics" - TT
• Outline of ancient Rome - was "List of topics related to ancient Rome" - TT

Recently merged into outlines

There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following articles have been recently merged into OOK pages:

• List of finance topics into Outline of finance - TT
• List of England-related topics into Outline of England - TT

Outlines that have been tagged

Tags are requests to fix a problem or improve an article in a particular way. Unless we want the tags to sit there for an extended period of time cluttering up the outlines (we don't), it is up to us to fulfill those requests or attend to underlying misassumptions (if any).

• Outline of literature - tagged as Original research
• Outline of ancient Greece - tagged as under construction
• Outline of mathematics - tagged as in need of attention from an expert
• Outline of arithmetic - tagged as not citing any references or sources.
• Outline of immunology - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of organic chemistry - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of psychology - tagged as in need of attention from an expert on the subject
• Outline of family and consumer science - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of energy storage - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of nuclear technology - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of ergonomics - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of construction - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of machines - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of free software - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of design - tagged as containing original research or unverified claims, and needing references or sources
• Outline of automobiles - tagged as an orphan

I can't stress enough the importance of watching

With so many outlines (now over 500), and a growing number of support pages (guidelines, wikiproject pages, etc.), I can no longer keep up. I need your help watching over it all.

If you'd like to omnisciently view everything "from above", see this page:

• WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.

Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):

• WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
• WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
• WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.

What's next?

There are a lot of contradictions in guidelines related to outlines. I'll be turning my attention to fixing those.

The number of "Outline of" articles is rapidly catching up to portals, and will probably pass them by the end of the summer!

Keep up the excellent work.

The Transhumanist    00:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline of birds

Thanks! I may be coming to you for help soon. It would be nice to have someone who knows what they're doing (more than I do anyway) have a look with "outside the project" eyes to let me know what doesn't make sense! MeegsC | Talk 21:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

OOK collaboration: Outline of knowledge (eom)

Delivered by –Juliancolton |  at 21:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian architecture

I went marauding through JSTOR in search of some sources for you and found a few useful bits. There's Ancient Palestinian Dwellings by H. Keith Beebe, which is more archaeological but might provide a source for the historical development and evolution of Palestinian architecture, Palestinian temples by M. V. Setton Williams and The Beehive Buildings of Ancient Palestine by John Currid. If you can send me a blank email or something I can send you the pdfs :). Ironholds (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem whatsoever :). I'll have a look through the physical texts at uni when I get back as well. Email has been sent, with pdfs attached :). Ironholds (talk) 09:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Iraq and outlines

Thanks. I appreciate your consideration. As a show of goodwill, you may call on me if there's a particular article you are working on you want copyedited (er, as long as it's not an outline). WesleyDodds (talk) 11:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

ha ha ha!

A good thing about Sceptic is that he is not averse to using self-depreciating irony e.g. Talk:Gaza_War#Allegations...etc where, shortly after I had complained about too much soapboxing on the talk page, he said

"Throughout our discussions I tried on numerous occasions to show nonsense in Amnesty and others, however only Monitor receives all the credit. Do I have to double the soapboxing here?".

Yeah, a bit of levity helps now and again. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikihounding

Whaw, you sure attract a "fan-club"! I´ve looked into the contributions of some of your "fans", and thought I have my suspicions, I have not found enough evidence (yet..) to file a CU-report. However, what *is* very obvious, is that you have been the subject of some, IMO, quite nasty wiki-"hounding" (I believe that is the wiki-political correct term, at present.) Especially by User:No More Mr Nice Guy ...and I must also mention User:Jaakobou. I had thought of filing an report on User:No More Mr Nice Guy at once...but then I saw that s/he had not edited for some days. If s/he returns, and follows you to as much as one single article; I *will* make a formal report. Take care! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 06:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

PS: Oh, and Ash has some information for you over at his talk-page: User_talk:Ashley_kennedy3

Hello

Thanks for your kind note. It's very good to see you back editing with your usual clarity and panache. --Ian Pitchford (talk) 09:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Jerusalem discussion

Hi, you may want to re-format the content you added here. I think each primary bullet is for a new comment from a new editor, so I'm not sure if that's what you intended or if the bullets after the first bullet should be indented. Let me know if this makes any sense, because I'm not even sure that it does! -shirulashem 16:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - August 2009

The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue XI - August 2009 Project news The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 75 FAs, 8 FLs, and 147 GAs, with a net loss of one FA and one GA. Our thanks to those who helped keep some other articles listed, and to those who have worked so diligently in improving all of our articles. Member news Three new members joined this past month, including new members User:116Calvinist, User:Lrnngrbc, and User:Frazz, bringing us up to 295 listed members. Thanks to you all, and a special welcome to our new members! Other news Two new pages for the benefit of members of the project have been created. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Mutual aid society is designed to be a place where editors seeking specific assistance from other members can with luck find others who have the abilities or materials they need, and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Special collections is, at this point, the beginnings of a list of publicly accessible special collections libraries which our members might find useful. Anyone who lives near one of the collections listed is encouraged to visit them and see if they can find anything they would like to read or use to improve some of our articles. There are always some discussions regarding project related activities at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. I think the timing of the call for elections might have been bad (summer vacation, what was I thinking?), and have thus changed the period for individuals to run to be one of the project's coordinators. Individuals who have a particular interest or knowledge of specific fields within Christianity are encouraged to run, to serve as a kind of "unit coordinator" for that topic. Related projects news The WikiProject Films has recently created a new task force for Christian films. All interested parties are welcome to join and contribute. Christianity related news Pennsylvania Amish farmer jailed for outhouse violations Obama expands Bush's faith-based initiatives Relics of 39 saints found by British Museum From the Members Welcome to the Eleventh issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. One area in particular need of attention right now is the content related to the Oriental Orthodox churches. Several of the topics within this field are of great importance, including the churches themselves, their histories, thinking, and some of the individuals associated with it. Unfortunately, the number of people who belong to the churches, and, correspondingly, the number of editors working on that content, is smaller than it could be. Anyone interested in helping to develop this content is more than welcome to look at the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy page and seeing where they can help out. John Carter (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. This newsletter is automatically delivered by -- Tinu Cherian BOT - 19:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Jerusalem talk page

Hi, My eye has been caught by a couple of Gilabrand's replies to you and the description he's given them , . How easy is it for you to visit Jerusalem as a Palestinian living in Nazareth?--Peter cohen (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Some Info on the 1988 Declaration

User talk:Harlan wilkerson/The Real Meaning of the Declarations

harlan (talk) 00:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Wars of national liberation. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Mr. Hicks The III (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Please don't template the regulars

This was unnecessary. Thanks for your concern, but I was not restoring identical material, and everything I added was properly sourced and cited. Please do not template me again. If you have problem with my editing, drop me a note to join you at the talk page. Thanks. Tiamut 20:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

You are clearly edit warring on that page, as is the other editor, whom I have also warned. You are at 3 reverts already, so it would be wise to stop. If you don't wish to be warned in the future, fine, I'll proceed directly to the appropriate noticeboard, citing this. Mr. Hicks The III (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Please do whatever you think it appropriate. I reverted once to the text that has been in place for months after Tallicfan20 altered it to delete important information and introduce weasel words and unsourced editorializing. He reverted to his verson, saying the links cited in the original were dead. I added new links and wrote a new text. He reverted to restore the original text with the dead links. I restored the material I wrote because the links were live (I could not understand why he would complain about them and then restore them after they had been corrected (that's one revert to another version). I left a message on his talk page asking him to discuss his issues there and at Ethnic cleansing. (He deleted that message ) He came to the talk page only there; I answered his questions. He asked some more questions; I answered again. He added the author's name to the beginning of the sentence I wrote, and I have not touched the article since. If you think that warrants me being templated and reported, by all means go ahead and do so. Tiamut 20:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Al-Majdal, Tiberias

Deligted that you have started this article, as Ash mentioned; there is a lot of stuff about the village over at User:Huldra/Sources#future article: Al-Majdal, Tiberias, District of Tiberias --I´ll start adding ASAP, (I´ve made a whole cat. over at commons with pictures of the village!) take care, my dear, Huldra (talk) 22:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC) PS, I´ll be delighted if you start any of the other articles there, too. ;-) (less work for me....)

Ok, I have added some stuff...there is still more to add from Khalidi (about the modern times) and Petersen (about the shrine)...but I´m done for tonight. I think you should nominate it for DYK ..I don´t have a clue about how to do it, but I *do* have a "hook": "DYK ..that the Palestinian village of Al-Majdal, Tiberias, the reputed birthplace of Mary Magdalene, was depopulated in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War?" Good luck! Huldra (talk) 00:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Good work Huldra and Tiamut. This village was not apparently populated in 1596 since the maps of Hütteroth do not show a village at that place. Zero 01:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded a bit of the 1870s map from the Survey of Palestine that includes Tiberias and this al-Majdal. Please use it where you like; and feel free to request more such maps. Zero 02:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

A "snippet" Google Books graciously allowed me to see of something called "Eretz Israel: jubilee volume of the Jewish National Fund issued in 1932" says "Migdal is a very large farm founded in 1911 by a group of prominent Russian Zionists". Cheers. Zero 15:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

great work, Tiamut, and thanks, Zero0000. As for "hook"; I´ll accept anything you go for! I really do not have much experience here (I still haven´t ever nominated any DYK!) But, what about "DYK ..that the Palestinian village of Al-Majdal, Tiberias, located at the reputed birthplace of Mary Magdalene, was depopulated in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War?" ...if we say that it is located the same place, I don´t think it must implie that there has been continous habitation? Anyway, I leave this to you, my dear! (nice pictures from the place, eh?) BTW, I can see p 28 in the Pringle-book (where there is a lot on Magdala)...I cannot see the page you quote from Pringle....is the "Pringle" you quote the same one as I put in the "Bibliography"-section? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Excellent! Huldra (talk) 20:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I do appreciate

your good will. cheers, Ori (talk) 19:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLI (July 2009)

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Hi, I sent you email. Zero 10:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I sent it on Thursday or Friday, please send me mail via the mail link on my home page. Zero 12:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Your inputs and opinionis sought at article Fatah

Your opinion on the 'Desicions and statements made at 6th Fatah Movement Assembly' section of the Fatah talk page is sought.--Jim Fitzgerald (talk) 07:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey

The Haaretz source for reference 35 is showing an error. I don't know how to fix the code. Thanks. Wikifan12345 (talk) 19:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Majdal, Tiberias

On August 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Al-Majdal, Tiberias, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

{{User0|Orlady 08:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I appreciate your help expanding these stubs. The idea was that I started them in a set format with infobox and then work on filling them. I have now made 700 and counting edits working hard on these. I'm sorry I was harsh with Hulcha and that she and you disgree with the wa I do things but there is a set amount of work that needs to be done and people should be grateful I am helping you out, not attacking me. I would like every article like the DYK above eventually, but it is far better to have stubs that provide information on these places than 3/4 of the article enitrely missing and containing absolutely no account of them. This however is not good enough apparently as every article should be FA class immediately upon creation? As I insisted when I was first yelled at I will be fleshing these out over the next few days yet this was not good enough. It is now quite selfish that she will only return if they are deleted given that I am not taking the easy option and have already tackled a third of those I started. If I can deal with it.. As I have repeated I will flesh these articles out, Hulcha said she wouldn't minded if I had added a bit of information. This is what I am doing as part of stage 2. Why is their still a problem if in a day or all of the articles have information and a referenced and we have a full set? . Dr. Blofeld 13:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Read the WP:Palestine talk page, I did this a while back... There shouldn't a problem given that the bottom of the template links to the others by district. I just want Huldra to stop being silly and make things easier for her so she doesn't have to look at the template. I find it massively too big too. I've created templates by district which would seme to make things much less stressful but am open to sensible suggestions... Dr. Blofeld 17:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

BTW settlement is short hand for towns cities and villages anywhere in the world. Unless you want the headers to go on two lines and make the top really chunky.... Dr. Blofeld 17:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I have no objection to that, I've ordered e.g Category:Cities, towns and villages in Turkey and mos tother countries in a similar fashion. The reason was purely for condensing reasons, the header is very long....

P.S. see Template:District of Safad. I've included links at the bottom of each template so editors who wish to navigate to another district can click the link to the list page which is practically shaped like the old nav template in layout. I'm glad you know I am trying to help your project and am a lot more willing to do a lot more for you than you initally thought. I think you all thought I just intended to dump the stubs on you. Not at all, I want to see all of the articles like your excellent recent DYK which inspired me to create them. Believe it or not I want to see articles like that too, but they had to be started, otherwise we would be denying people even basic information. Regards Dr. Blofeld 17:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Localities would be even better, it's shorter!! Thanks. Dr. Blofeld 17:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S the pea soup green is an interesting color, I like it for this set of articles. However I had to change the text to white to show better on the dark green, hope this is OK? Dr. Blofeld 18:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Wow you've written lots of really beautiful articles, I've read a number of them such as Palestinian costumes but didn't realise you were the author. Editors like you, Huldra and Ameerson have done Palestine proud on wiki!! I'm sorry that my stubs are substandard compared to your dedicated work, I can see you both want to attain the highest standard. I know stubs aren't too pretty but if they are fleshed out a little can be a useful start, after all, most of our articles started as stubs... I think it was just a conflict in quality and it suddnely alarmed Huldra that she would suddenly have over a hundred new articles to try to frantically improve and her head exploded. Believe me though my intention is not to "ban her from editing to wikipedia worse than arb.com" or something as she described me but it is to try to help your project in the long term and work towards a more fuller coverage. All I want to say is I am complete on your side with this project and I don't think your friend needs to think of me as banning her from wikipedia...I hope you can talk her around by email.. Dr. Blofeld 18:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I can understand a little how is disrupted her stride so to speak. The thing is, it really isn't a good idea either to base your organization around a massive red linked template and put it on the front page in front of millions and expect nobody to notice... If she wanted to build it on her own, it would have been best to either hide those missing links or delink them so as not to encourage mass content builders like me a chance to start them if it is not welcome... Dr. Blofeld 18:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I agree. Anyway I'll do my best to add to ALL of the articles I created. I added at least some content to about half of those I started now. Huldra did say "she wouldn't have minded if they had a bit of content". Well they all will in a day or two.... Dr. Blofeld 18:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you check out Al-Qris Horkins. Can't seem to find it. Dr. Blofeld 19:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't care where she said it. I won't tolerate being spoken to like that. OK she is a saint. I'm sorry we've lost a saint, but her recent actions are not what you'd have expected then... Try to see it from my point of view that I put hours of effort into trying to improve this site and get spoken about like a piece of dirt behind my back. Dr. Blofeld 20:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

OK thanks, I've emailed you BTW. Sorry to bring up the subject... but I am human and have feelings. Dr. Blofeld 20:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

EC

• FYI : . Good luck. 81.244.41.108 (talk) 17:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Huldra

Tiamut, please try and convince her to stay. Her departure would be a great loss of potential. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I think some IP must have just put it there. I do have the Khalidi book, but I'm currently not home (will be in a couple of hours). I'll check when I come back. Thanks for pointing that out. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Tiamut, Ameer, I went WP:BOLD and requested speedy deletion of this fictitious village. This has existed in the template ever since it was created (making it harder to track when it was added). I compared it against a list on another site (http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/34.htm), as well as PalestineRemembered, and there was a village missing (Zikrin or Thikrin). There's also a village that was apparently erroneously added to the list in the first link called Nabi Rubin. It would be a good idea to verify that no more fictitious villages exist :) --Fjmustak (talk) 01:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Tiny Canaan bit

Marhaba Tiamut, I was working on an article about Rafiq al-Tamimi and I came across this bit in a book by Issa Khalaf . On Page 140, it lists members of the Constructive Scheme's Administrative Council (founded in 1945). Canaan is listed one of the members. He is politically independent and a representative of Jerusalem. This might be a useful bit to add in the article, but I wouldn't know how and where to incorporate it. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The council was founded by Musa al-Alami with the purpose of purchasing and developing the land of Palestinian villages. It was supposed to be funded by the Arab League, but I don't think the Arab states lived up to their word, as far as I can tell. I'm still somewhat unsure about its purpose exactly though. I say don't add the bit until we clarify what the Constructive Scheme was exactly. As for the villages, Palestine Remembered has an accurate listing, but the problem is they also include the existing villages in all of historic Palestine as well. But it's funny you mention it, because Zero0000 told me he had a list of all the villages. You should ask him if it's an online list that we could all see. Cheers Tiamut! --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Anyway I'll let it rest now and hope she will return sometime. I do hope that you and Al Ameer son will still speak to me. I had my reasons as did everybody to be upset. I don;t think Ameer son wants to talk to me again which is a shame because I like him and edits a lot. Dr. Blofeld 10:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Lol, Dr. B. I'm not angry at you and I will speak to and work with you. No worries, I don't get emotional on Wiki. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep, but you can see here the reason why I more upset about the attacks not from Huldra but from the others. It seems more people discredit me than actually realise what I do. When I am not paid to edit it I expect people in the community to be appreciative not attack me like Somey and the others did. To be honest it was more what they said, anyway. Dr. Blofeld 11:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, anyway are there any articles you are working on which you are trying to bring to GA/FA status? Dr. Blofeld 11:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like some good articles could be written from those sources. Cool. I did have alook in google books as often they have books online, if I had a book I'd try to "provide the internet with new material" so to speak which is so important. Unfortunately my local library is very low key and poorly resourced. Dr. Blofeld 11:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

What's more awesome is that you are in Nazareth!! Wow, I've read about Nazareth in the bible since I was a baby! To have quality (and nice) editors from such places is excellent on here, we definately more people from places like this to try to reduce bias on here towards US culture!! Dr. Blofeld 11:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes my library is pretty bad really. It has like only a few books on African history like really generic ones like the Boer War for instance and about two books on beloved Tibet, which are pretty basic and cover nothing not already on the web! Dr. Blofeld 11:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, ah that's soo sweet that you always feel homesick when leaving! Yep, I know what you mean about old shoes. I have a pair of battered black biker boots which I wear quite lot and were fit for the bin 5 years ago but they feel so comfortable and look cool! Unlike my sister who is like a shoe collector! You don't see too many Blue Suede Shoes about though! I wonder what our coverage of Nazareth related is? Do we have articles on notable buildings, places of worship etc? Dr. Blofeld 11:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

We'll have to change that! Photographs of places and buildings are always extremely welcome! I have taken a few photographs of local places in the past like this! Bit dark but I love that church. So medeival, that is one of my favourite spots actually, it is very peaceful. I live in Barry, Vale of Glamorgan for the record! Hehe I've even permitted animals the right to use File:PorthkerryParkviaduct.jpg if they must... Dr. Blofeld 12:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Me too! Hey you'd love Category:Castles in Wales. Many of them! My dad did us a painting of Castell Coch situated on a hill top! very picturesque! Dr. Blofeld 12:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello how are you! Hey you didn't tell me what you thought of the welsh castles! Dr. Blofeld 13:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Glad you are well. If you'd expanded on of those village articles you started expanding we could have nominated one for a DYK!One of them was almost there! Dr. Blofeld 13:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Barfiliya I was thinking of. Just needs 2,000 more bytes. Dr. Blofeld 13:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I've also begun expanding Bashshit and yes I actually managed to find scraps of info in a book here to contribute. So why I may not have the books unfortunately in the flesh I can find some info in google books if I'm lucky. Dr. Blofeld 14:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course, but it would be nice to get one or two! Maybe you can find something on Bashshit then? That book and Morris's looks like they contains a great of info on the subject. I think the coordinates of Bashshit were 31°49'29"N 34°44'54. Could you check? Dr. Blofeld 14:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I have one book at my fingetips anyway, Morris Dr. Blofeld 14:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I've nominated Bashshit for a DYK. Sorry it isn't an exceptional article but that was the best I could manage. If Huldra was here maybe it would improve further...

OK thanks. But I think it is probably one of the lesser notable villages. I noticed a number of other villages get much more coverage in Morris's book which I've taken some time to browse through.Some seem to still be missing articles actually.. Dr. Blofeld 16:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

You might also be interested to know I've contacted the archaelogists in Israel od the village and have requested they permit us to use some photographs of the village and any further info they have. I don't really expect a reply but you never know... Dr. Blofeld 16:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't it me awesome to eventually have a set of 531 GA articles on 1948 villages like Lajjun. Haha, maybe by 2050... I've co-nominated you and Ameer so far for DYKs anyway! Dr. Blofeld 20:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, too little time to get accomplished what we want on here. Beleive it or not that is exactly the very reason I once resorted to creating very basic stubs because there is so much we aren't covering and not enough time to solely cover it all writing every article fully! Dr. Blofeld 20:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Don't worry I'm not leaving wikipedia but I am abandoning my old account and starting afresh. As my edits were too numerous they couldn't move my account and I have my reasons as I am starting to refocus on the project and I don't want my quality edits getting hidden by "sub stubs" which I no longer create. Dr. Blofeld 10:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou! I was thinking of Himalayan Monsoon, but I thought that was a bit too much of a mouthful! Himalayan 12:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

My signature is still on trial.. Himalayan 12:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Well it is more reflective of my interests and Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan and Ladakh are very special to me. The maroon and gold of course is the color of the robes! Himalayan 12:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, Bayt Susin was the other one, that could quickly be expanded, today is the last day I think... Himalayan 14:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey we have four between us already, Bayt Susin was the article I was thinking of initially though!! Hey no pressure! Regards. Himalayan 16:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Himalayan Explorer (talk • contribs) 16:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added to all the settlements in Ramla now anyway. At least they all contain info now. I'll make a start on Safad probably tomorrow, that is the biggie. By then I should have covered at least 3/4 of the articles I started. Himalayan Explorer 20:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought I'd go for something a little less with my signature...Himalayan Explorer 09:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Translation of a short story

Hi! I see, you're a Palestine, I love them. So you speak Arabic. I would like to request something from you. I'm a Hungarian wiki editor, my name is Norbert. It's a little bit out of wikipedia, it's a translation request. Soem years ago I wrote a (really) short story of a lonely man, who symbolizes the Saami nation, but actually, all the minority nations. We started to translate it into several languages. I love the arabioc, but we don't have this translation yet. Could you make me that. You could see the English or other versions here, and you can put the arabic version also here. Thank you! hu:User:Eino81 —Preceding undated comment added 11:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC).

Thank you for the information, but as I see, you already wrote to the other Arabic-speaking editor, thank you for that. I hope, there will be soon an Arabic version. --Eino81 (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. Can you take a look at it and tell me what you think? Cheers. --Fjmustak (talk) 21:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :) By the way, I wrote a note in the WPPalestine talk page about Al-Manshiyya. I loved your disambig page, but I found it missing the Jaffa neighborhood. This was fresh on my mind, because I had just watched a documentary called "Palestine Street" about Jaffa, and it talks a bit about Al-Manshiyya. I would love to see an article about it, but unfortunately do not have access to sources. Could you, if you have the necessary resources (and time of course) help me out with it? Thanks. --Fjmustak (talk) 21:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Started Thanks for the refs. --Fjmustak (talk) 22:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Barfiliya

On August 24, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Barfiliya, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 11:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Mohsen

I appreciate your feedback and edits on Mohsen Subhi's page. As you may have noticed, i mistakenly left the S in Subhi (in the page name) in small letters. can you fix that? thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by July271997 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!!! i noticed you have done a lot of work on/for Palestine and i cannot find an appropriate way to thank you. ramadan kareem to you too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by July271997 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem ;) And I know it's a couple days late, but Ramadan karim akhti! --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Tiamut (and please dont ask my forgiveness again, makes me embarrassed for some reason). nableezy - 04:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Tawfiq Canaan

You might want to re-visit Karanac's talk page. ceranthor 09:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, now check it out. ceranthor 10:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Tiamut

I'll get over to Mr. Rayan's bio as soon as I can. Pretty darn busy this week, though.Haberstr (talk) 22:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bashshit

On August 26, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bashshit, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 23:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

NPOV

I know this is a difficult thing, but if a body accused both Israel as well as Palestinians of war crimes, you think it would be ok to list "accused both sides" or would it be mandatory to write only "accused Israel"?
Warm regards, Jaakobou 01:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Did HRW accuse the Palestinians of war crimes as well? I wasn't aware of that. Can you show me where? Tiamut 11:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Attacks on civilians have not gone unnoticed.

Mukawama if fun for a while but the consequences are dire.

p.s. discuss your desired changes please (see also WP:BRD).

-- Jaakobou 12:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

That report is not referring to the Battle of Jenin which is the subject under discussion here.

I have discussed my changess, please respond, rather than reverting. Tiamut 12:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Attacks from 2002, and March are mentioned specifically. Thank you. Jaakobou 13:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Again, you do not seem to understand. The HRW report discussed in the Battle of Jenin article intro is not this one. Its the one on the Battle of Jenin itself. Why would we mention the contents of another HRW report in that intro when we are discussing another report? Makes no sense. Tiamut 15:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Selective-POV aside, the Palestinian attacks in March are the most definitely connected to the Battle in Jenin as are later notes that both sides (not just Israeli) were considered in violation of international war rules - albeit Israel were charged with instances of this while the Palestinians were charged with doing this as their main tactic.

p.s. I believe I understand the idea behind this project (i.e. that it's not meant as a manifesto for one side's perspectives) quite well. Please try to consider this idea as well.

Cordially, Jaakobou 18:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Please keep this discussion on the article talk page. And please do not slyly accuse me of POV pushing. It shows you do not understand the idea behind WP:AGF and it makes trying to collaborate with you painful. Tiamut 18:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The pain starts with the edit where you wrote "Israel was accused of war crimes" when both sides were. I make a clear note here that you have a problem with keeping neutral and within a reasonable perspective. Please don't try to spin this the other way around. Just a while back you insisted that the article of Israel must have some type of "some people claim it's not really a democracy" on the 3rd paragraph. Just a little while before that, an admin who happens to be Arab-Muslim agreed with me that your application of the word "Nakba" (a.k.a. Palestinian word for "catastrophe") was too colorful for the place that it was used. So PLEASE make an effort to adhere to NPOV and take note when people who might not be anti-Israeli raise concerns.

Warm regards, Jaakobou 18:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

There is so much wrong with what you just said that I cannot even hear you. Stop talking to me on my talk page and respect my request to limit this discussion to the article talk page and subject matter. Tiamut 19:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You have much more patience than me Tiamut, I would have removed this nonsense long ago. nableezy - 18:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm so used to it now Nableezy. Jaakobou forms a special one-man fan club for me that believes in giving me lectures for my betterment. Its quite amusing actually; painful at times, but mostly laughable. Tiamut 19:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Za'atar

Wow! Spectacular! Thank you very much indeed. -- Earle 13:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

dont care?

really? That hurts. All kidding aside, you are right of course the discussion doesnt belong there. nableezy - 16:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ashley

Had no idea he was blocked. I've asked User talk:Amalthea if it is possible the ban can be lifted.

P.S. ever heard of Makam el nabi Sain Mosque. The commons has loads of pictures on it and it looks a notable building but I can't find any info. Do you know of it it?

See

Himalayan 08:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I found it here. Himalayan 08:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I just chekced out the Nazareth website. It looks beautiful!! Himalayan 09:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I've just noticed we are missing coverage for the District of Ramallah here. Shall I create a new template and red link them? Himalayan 09:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, seemingly they weren't depopulated but are former settlements. Best thing would be to create the district article and list the villages that were in it...I might start it later if I have time..Those villages aren't priority right now anyway... Himalayan 12:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Za'atar "often" made with salt?

Hi Tiamut, do you have a source for za'atar "often" being made with salt? I've only ever eaten Lebanese za'atar, which to the best of my knowledge has no salt. I looked through the sources, and while some recipes seem to call for mixing in salt, I'm not sure that this practice is done "often". Thanks! ← George 10:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

What I'm unsure of is if these sources are saying to add the salt and olive oil to the za'atar (when making manakeesh, for instance), versus actually mixing it into the za'atar itself while the za'atar is sitting dry, in a bag. Or maybe it's a difference of Lebanese versus Palestinian za'atar (the sumac the Lebanese use could certainly replace salt sometimes). The image at the top looks nothing like the za'atar we eat, even without sumac (and looks like it has a lot of salt in it - actually those don't even look like sesame seeds). Ours looks more like what's in the picture of the bag from Syria, or the manakeesh at the bottom of the article. I'll leave the article alone on the issue and ask around... I'm mostly just curious, as the thought of salt in za'atar sounded odd to me. Anyways, take care. ← George 10:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I saw your Za'atar article BTW and thought it was great! Himalayan 12:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou! I did start some Yemeni dishes a while back but I wish they were of the same standard! There unfortunately seems to be very few people on here who know anything about Yemen or Oman! Me, I just want quality information about any place or notable topic in the world! Himalayan 13:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Flag of the British mandate of Palestine

There's no evidence that I've seen that Arabs were enthusiastic about this flag during the 1927-1948 period, and I strongly suspect the contrary. Many Arabs in Palestine would have never seen it at all, since it was mainly a maritime flag... AnonMoos (talk) 11:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It was not a "flag mandated to them" -- the British saw it as an administrative convenience for ships registered to inhabitants of the territory who were not British nationals, and so could not validly fly the basic Red Ensign. The British specifically refrained from imposing a Palestine flag on the territory... AnonMoos (talk) 18:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Help I don't know what to do!!

Hi. I spent a lot of time splitting the big village template because Huldra said "I can no longer function using that template". So I thought I was doing the decent thing by splitting by district into a more manageable way which brought no objections. However it now turns out that she hates the split and that she wants the big template restored! Now I am happy to restore the big template (providing it stays closed by default being so big) but I need some assurance that in doing so it won't be the wrong thing to do again. I genuinely want to help, if she is able to use John's coding to hide the stubs into her previous version I am happy to restore this template. What I don't want is to restore the full template and still have my efforts again belittled as being useless. I don't know how I can win... As Huldra won't speak to me, please can you email her and ask her to kindly return so we can work something out. This happened around August 17 now. 2 weeks ago. I am still here aren't I willing to sort it out?Please can you ask her if she will return if I restore the full template and she uses the coding John Vandenburg gave her so it was as before. Because right now even if I turned half of them into GAs that would still be wrong... Himalayan 19:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I did actually think it was easier to connect them all together in one big template, as it is default closed it isn't that big a problem. I only split them because I thought Huldra would find them easier to follow and it seemed manageable that way. OK I'll make about 350 odd edits now and restore it. Himalayan 20:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully it can be sorted using AWB. I've recommended that the long template name is reduced to shorthand and then readded. I want it and things to be as useful as possible for everybody.. Himalayan 20:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

As I know you like birds, have a majestic looking dove to look at! Aren't his wings splendid? Wow check it out in full px.

Yeay anyway my sister is returning today from her six week trip to Egypt, Japan and China, 3 holidays in one, sound crazy?? I have really missed her actually! She said she is a wreck from six weeks on the road travelling!! Himalayan 20:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Culturally all of those places are awesome I think. She liked Japan although said she lost a lot of weight because of their diet over there and that they were obssessed with cleanliness!. She hated Beijing and northern China for some reason but said she loved Yangshuo and southern China which was rather less hectic. Well I'm sure she'll tell me more shortly.... Himalayan 21:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Note

If you keep reverting my edits and push one sided propaganda, we're going to have a problem. Jaakobou 14:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. And we already do have many problems. Tiamut 14:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Only this time, FOUR editors disagree with your approach and 3 have made clear note of this. Jaakobou 14:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

That is your interpretation of the facts, which as usual, runs fast and loose. I resent your last revert of over 4,000 bytes of reliably sourced information, most of it sourced to books, which were lacking as source in the article. Its vindictive an childish and I'm very tired of your harassment. Tiamut 14:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit-warring

I looked at the report about you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring and though I declined to block based on that report, it is clear that you may need to seek a less adversarial way of editing on controversial articles. I understand that it takes two to edit-war, but it would be better not to allow yourself to be sucked into blindly reverting. Thanks, Black Kite 00:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)