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Bibliography

Coe, Michael, Dean Snow, and Elizabeth Benson, 1986 "Atlas of Ancient America"
"The Seventy Wonders of the Ancient World", edited by Chris Scarre (1999) Thames & Hudson, London
Siliotti, Alberto, Zahi Hawass, 1997 "Guide to the Pyramids of Egypt"
Walker, Charles, 1980 "Wonders of the Ancient World"

Time Life Lost Civilizations series:

Africa's Glorious Legacy
Ancient India: Land Of Mystery (1994)
Aztecs: Reign of Blood and Splendor
Celt's: Europes People of Iron
China's buried Kingdoms
Egypt: Land of the Pharaohs
Greece Temples, Tombs and Treasures
The Holy Land
Incas: Lords of Gold and Glory
The Magnificent Maya
Mesopotamia: The Mighty Kings. (1995)
Mound Builders and Cliff Dwellers
Pompeii: The Vanished City
Ramses II: Magnificence on the Nile
Rome: Echoes of Imperial Glory
The Search for El Dorado
Southeast Asia: A Past Regained (1995)
Sumer: Cities of Eden
Vikings: Raiders From the North
Wonddrous realms of the Aegean

September 2008

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page New Seven Wonders of the World has been reverted. Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove unwanted links and spam from Misplaced Pages. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Misplaced Pages. The external links I reverted were matching the following regex rule(s): rule: 'geocities\.com' (link(s): http://www.geocities.com/zacherystaylor/cultstructures.htm) . If the external link you inserted or changed was to a blog, forum, free web hosting service, or similar site, then please check the information on the external site thoroughly. Note that such sites should probably not be linked to if they contain information that is in violation of the creator's copyright (see Linking to copyrighted works), or they are not written by a recognised, reliable source. Linking to sites that you are involved with is also strongly discouraged (see conflict of interest).

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Easter Island

Hi Zachery. I see you've been expanding the Moai paragraph in Easter Island. Can I suggest you have a look at Moai itself? The idea behind the current structure is that we have a short paragraph in Easter Island that summarises the Moai article. Also you might want to have a look at some of the other sources, Thor Heyerdahl may have sold more books on Easter Island than everyone else combined, but unlike Metraux or Katherine Routledge his theories haven't held up well against DNA evidence. ϢereSpielChequers 07:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Project Orion article

I am a professional in the field (Aerospace engineering, and I understand space propulsion and nuclear weapon design and effects in detail). The Orion article is in fact fairly accurate - most of the {{fact}} tags are questioning statements that are directly taken from the sources which are already listed in the article, which are the project reports and other reliable sources about the project.

If you want to ask more specific questions on the article talk page, I'd be happy to answer them there. But if you're worried that it's generally inaccurate or a hoax, it's not. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Angkor Wat

Hi there! You clearly know a lot about megaliths, but your edits to the Angkor Wat page puzzle me. Maybe I'm missing something. ;)

Firstly the categorisation of AW as a megalithic site: our article on megalithic sites seems to limit the term to ancient sites, presumably in order to exclude modern buildings which happen also to use big stones. But AW was built at around the same time as the great European cathedrals, so what makes it a megalithic site where those, I take it, are not?

Secondly, the categorisation as an archaeoastronomical site. Again AW hardly seems old enough to qualify - the List_of_archaeoastronomical_sites_sorted_by_country doesn't include other sites from that period. In any case, while I'm familiar with the arguments that the alignment and proportions of the temple reflect astronomical features, I don't know of any claims that astronomy was actually conducted there. If there are any, I'd like to add them to the article. :)

Cheers, Henry 10:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, Thanks for your additions to the AW article - the construction methods were a hole in the article I'd never quite managed to fill. I've made some changes which were mostly just tidying up, but I did take out a few things which didn't seem to be relevant - you might like to check the changes I made. Cheers, Henry 08:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Manetho King List

The Manetho King List is referenced on Khufu's page. This paragraph seems to use 'R. Kuper and F. Forster, "Khufu's 'mefat' expeditions into the Libyan Desert", Egyptian Archaeology 23, Autumn 2003, pp 25-28' as a source. I didn't check this myself but it seems more credible than the 23 year time frame for the construction which is why I mentioned the possibility. I could transfer the reference to the pyramid page but I chose not to do that since I didn't personally check it instead I put a link to Khufu's page in the sentence. If you have no further objection I'll put it back later. Good day Zacherystaylor (talk) 14:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to excuse me for not recognising the information you were bringing in, but that's only the same thing that will puzzle most readers. Definitely needs some link. Are you aware that in Khufu Manetho is referenced for 23 years at one point? MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 21:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Preventing school violence

Hello,

I'm sure this was well meant but it reads like an essay or a how-to guide and was not appropriate for an encyclopaedia article. A great deal of it was opinion, written from a point of view (mainly the point of view of one or two books cited).

I have tried to make it more measured and neutral but I do not actually think that an article under this title is justified, since there is already an article called School violence, one section of which is headed "Prevention and intervention". I am minded to incorporate some of your text into that article and put in a redirect. Alarics (talk) 21:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Preventing school violence

I have nominated Preventing school violence, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Preventing school violence. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

About Misplaced Pages

Hey, I was reading through Preventing school violence and your version at User:Zacherystaylor/preventing school violence. I appreciate the work you're doing here, but there's a couple things it looks like you don't yet understand about Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages requires a neutral point of view and reliable sources. It's not a place to do your own synthesis or present your own ideas. The article you wrote looks like it'd be good as a magazine article, written by you, but it's full of stuff we can't use here at Misplaced Pages. And yes, here, other people are going to edit your work. Mericlessly. The minute you mention the word "censorship" a lot of the editors here will assume you're a kook and stop listening to anything you say. So it's best to avoid that altogether. (That probably sounds weird, but it's due to a long history of actual kooks showing up here to promote their new perpetual motion machine, and then crying "censorship!" when the page gets deleted.) Anyway, hopefully this will help you understand better how things go here. Let me know if you have any questions or need a hand with anything. For now, I'd recommend you focus on improving school violence rather than trying to start your own version of it. Friday (talk) 18:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like you're still not understanding. The deletion of this article does not mean that Misplaced Pages editors don't think preventing school violence would be a good thing. Many of the points you're making are simply not relevant. People are not talking about school violence as a general subject; they're talking about what is or is not appropriate content for Misplaced Pages. You've still given no reason why school violence and preventing school violence should be separate articles. Friday (talk) 16:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

If wikipedians can't tell the difference between censoring a perpetual motion machine and censoring violence prevention material there is something wrong here. There is a article on that and it censors false science so that real science can be reported. In the case of violence prevention it appears to be the other way arround and I have no doubt that in the long run it will be seen that way if there is a reasonable discusion. The material about preventing violence is more relevent than much of the other stuff on wikipedia. I may not be understanding everything but I'm not the only one. Zacherystaylor (talk) 18:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess I'm not explaining myself very well. It's not that people think perpetual motion has something to do with violence- I was trying to explain why it's not useful to talk about censorship. You keep talking about what's a good cause, and what the best answer is, but I was trying to explain that Misplaced Pages is not for advocacy of any kind. I'm sure there's general agreement that school violence prevention is a viable topic for Misplaced Pages. Looking at school violence, there's already a section on that. What people are disagreeing on is whether there's any reason for a separate article specifically on prevention. The general approach is to split such things off only when they become too long for the main article. You'll get much further working with the article we already have, than trying to branch off and make your own. The deletion discussion is meant to be a discussion about how best to structure Misplaced Pages content, but you keep trying to make it about how to prevent school violence. Do you see the difference? Friday (talk) 18:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

PS Maybe this will help. It sounds like you want to write preventing school violence to present a different point of view than you see in school violence. That's a reasonable idea; it's just that this is not how things are done at Misplaced Pages. We don't write multiple articles on the same topic to present different points of view. Instead, all relevant points are view are included in the same article. This is part of why people don't want to keep your separate article. We're aiming for one neutral article presenting all relevant points of view- not articles advocating different positions. Friday (talk) 19:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Fatima UFO Hypothesis

I have redirect The Fatima UFO Hypothesis again. It's a complete mess of an article. The non-proponent sources make no mention of the UFO theory (the article subject). The proponent sources are all published by Anomalist Books, which is not a reliable publisher. They do not have a reputation for fact-checking and related editorial oversight. Thus, while the article may appear well-sourced, it does not contain even a single citation to an on-topic reliable source. This brings up the related point that the article completely fails our notability requirements, as the topic does not seem to have received substantive coverage in independent reliable sources. I hope this helps better clarify why I have redirected the critically flawed article. Vassyana (talk) 00:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)