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If you have any problems, concerns, or just want to comment on my actions and behavior in general, please leave a message here, or if you would like to discuss things, my talk page and email is available for use. A watch page has been created that will list areas that I might have problems with and may need help with. - Ottava Rima

Poof

Ottava Rima (talk) 00:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Very fortunately, we Yanks have never adopted such things. I'd look pretty shitty in a barrister's gown and wig. Not that I look wonderful at the best of times (i.e., 1982).--Wehwalt (talk) 00:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Ha! Sorry to fool you, but I am actually an American (I proudly represent the lovely state of Maryland in the WikiCup). I just needed an excuse for a visual. :D Ottava Rima (talk) 00:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh well, such is life.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

A precedent

Ottava, you may like to look at this precedent for the hassle you had recently. I'm disturbed by the uncanny similarities. --Philcha (talk) 11:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

That is rather worrying. It shows continued bad judgement from User:Gwen Gale, and not the sort of temperament I'd expect from an admin. Also, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I was under the impression that User:Malleus Fatuorum is a friend of yours, which makes me even more worried. Personally, I'm going to have a look at the users admin contributions, and if there is more worrying contributions then I'd be tempted to raise this elsewhere. Alan16 (talk) 12:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

As I've pointed out before - Malleus isn't a "friend". We rarely agree on issues. However, we do talk a lot about the community as we are both very active in the same area (even though we have little mutual agreement on language, grammar, style, or weight). We've worked together on two major articles, but during that time fought a lot. Do I respect him? Yes, I do. Do I trust him? Yeah. Are we pals and the such? Well, maybe in the classic Irish rugby/hurling sense where you might go for a beer after beating the crap out of each other. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I referred to that above. We did not pursue a desysop of her last time because she promised that she would never make such blocks again and she apologized for her mistake. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Well I don't know you that well (apart from one incident... Can't remember what that was about...) and I'd just seen Malleus on your talk page a few times so I assumed you were "friends". And this time? Alan16 (talk) 15:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Lar is on my talk page a lot and we are definitely not friends. Etc. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that "friend" is the wrong word here. How could Ottava and I possibly be friends? We live on different continents and have never met, and are never likely to meet. In fact I've never, at least to my knowledge, ever met another wikipedian. This isn't a social club, it's a collaboration amongst (hopefully) equals, each of whom contributes what they can. As Ottava says, he and I often disagree around the edges—I think he throws commas around like confetti at a wedding, and he thinks I play fast and loose with English grammar—but we still manage to work together in an atmosphere of mutual respect. That's not to do with friendship, it's to do with respect, something that has to be earned. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I must admit, I love me some commas like a Brits love sheep. :D Ottava Rima (talk) 01:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Not all Brits, just the Welsh. Allegedly.--Malleus Fatuorum 01:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I could really offend you by saying that there is no difference between an Manchester lad and a Welsh lad. :P Ottava Rima (talk) 01:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Admittedly Wales is only about 40 miles away, but if you wanted to offend me you'd have to try much harder than that. People from Liverpool sometimes call those from Manchester "woolly backs", but I won't melt your Internet connection by telling you they call the scousers. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

"Woolly backs?" You may be the mother country, but you've got nothing on us colonials when it comes to sheep jokes -- Euryalus (talk) 22:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Christopher Smart

Ottava, Iv'e left some more comments and done some copyediting. I'll be back when I can - maybe tomorrow. Regards. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Admin culture

Sir, how can I read more about 'admin culture' and the behavior of admins at Misplaced Pages? Are you capable of supplying me with a wealth of information on this subject, or else a modicum of information on this subject? If you and others are afraid to critically discuss Misplaced Pages's administrators then please let me know about this as well. Varks Spira (talk) 14:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

All you have to do is to observe what's going on around you. Or choose to to ignore it if you prefer. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed a lot in a short period of time. A lot of squabbles that on first read appear to be wholly ridiculous. I know that isn't a fair judgment. I'm keeping an open mind. Varks Spira (talk) 21:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Flore et Zéphire

Hi, just a heads up that the above, a ballet article, is top of the backlog list. I left it as you had expressed an interest in reviewing this type of article. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I totally missed it. That was mostly why I wanted them separated. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 18:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Ottava, you started reviewing this, but didn't tag it for review at GAN. I went to GAN and tagged it to start reviewing it. Now, here's the catch. As I have flagged to the editor here (and have tagged at the article page), there is a copyright problem - the article leans very heavily on one source, sometimes quoting phrases without quote marks. That source is also the origin of a quote that is cited as a separate source in the article. It will need significant work to pass in my view, but I am hopeful that kathryncelestewright will be able to look at this. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I was waiting to hear back from her on the citation needed before I made any move either way at GAN. I tend to do all of the sourcing concerns at once, and, well, I wanted to hear back before I actually opened up an official GAN. :) If you want to open it up, you can feel free. I will check through everything and give any opinion if you want. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I made a brief analysis of the first half of the page. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The U

Thank you for your comment. The problem is that the footnote follows a sentence which says the University of Miami is commonly referred to as "The U", but at the very most (and I don't read it that way) the reference cited in the footnote merely quotes someone as saying "The U" after laying down a context and antecedent. If there were a press report that said that a survey was conducted and people nationwide associate "The U" automatically with the University of Miami, then we could use such a footnote to support the text. The reference and the article text must match; an example of one person saying "The U" does not prove that it is common (throughout the English-speaking world) for people to do that. Thanks. Racepacket (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I saw multiple sources for the term and found it many times in my own search. I an unpersuaded by your statements. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

New sock?

RE: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Sister_Kitty_Catalyst_O.C.P..2C_DJ_Pusspuss.2C_Benjamin_Holman.2C_and_an_editor_who_shall_remain_nameless

New sock of Peter? Ikip (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I put forth my opinion over there - there is no personality or editing connection between the two users from what I can see. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:PAID

Progress is now being made at WP:Paid editing. The topic is very important, and I'd love to get the proposed policy back on track. If you have any input, I'd love to see it on the page. Smallbones (talk) 16:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for William Britten 9 part DYK

On September 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles William Britten, Mariana (poem), "The Deserted House", Oenone (poem), The Lotos-Eaters, St Simeon Stylites (poem), The Day-Dream, Sir Galahad (poem), and "Break, Break, Break‎", which you created or substantially expanded.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 05:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Your edit to Persian Empire

Putting this text on Talk:Persian Empire and then blanking it a second later is pretty silly. I really don't understand why you keep on bringing up WP:MEAT--how exactly do you think I'm violating that policy? I would appreciate an explanation. If you really believe I'm such a problematic user, please start a topic on WP:ANI or whatever noticeboard you think is appropriate, or start a user RfC. Otherwise, I would really appreciate it if you stopped saying things like "You just crossed the line, and this is your only chance I will be willing to give you to go back." Even though you erased that from the page directly afterward, I can't see it as anything but an attempt to intimidate me. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Akhilleus, I have already talked to many admin. My two options are ArbCom asking for a desysopping of everyone currently working with Folantin in abuse of the above policy, or directly starting an RfC with such intent. I have received many emails. Your history of performing this same action with her across multiple pages has been noted by many people. Diffs and links have already been provided in public. Your name was also on a list that was given out to people when Dbachmann started echoing Folantin as one to expect to appear. Your appearance only verified the problematic nature of your action and it is 100% exact to that at Talk:Ludovico Ariosto, which is a move almost too stupid for words. It has also been pointed out that many, many sources were pointed out, yet you willfully ignore them in order to echo what Folantin has stated. It is not a coincidence. You can either stop your problematic behavior now, or I will move forward. You may think that I am intimidating you. No, I am promising you that your behavior will not be ignored any longer. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:49, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought I had made it clear I don't want any more warnings. Please, start that RfC, file that request for arbitration, whatever it is that you think is best. But if you're still in a mood to give warnings, can you please explain exactly how I've violated WP:MEAT? I understand that you think I'm too chummy with Folantin, but you haven't explained why that's a policy violation... --Akhilleus (talk) 01:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

As I stated above, you are using their same arguments and using the same rhetoric that has been proven wrong over and over. Having Folantin say something, then Fullstop saying it, then Dbachmann saying it, then you saying it without paying attention or acknowledging anything else is classic use of meat puppets to violate a consensus discussion. Admin should know better than to do such. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

You might know this...

Can you think of a way to briefly summarize Oxford Movement, in such a way that it won't baffle readers, but won't be so long-winded that it makes the section unscannable? (The article is question is Mandell Creighton, if you want a context - see the discussion on the talkpage.) – iridescent 01:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Simply put - It was a reactionary movement that opposed the secularization of the Anglican Church while promoting high church views along with claims to a historical alignment with both the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. Do you need more? Ottava Rima (talk) 01:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)