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Other neat portal ideas for longer term

• Longer term ideas to think about from other portals:

1. Events section, like: "On this day" e.g., Biography, Religion, United States; "Selected anniversaries" e.g., War; "Calendar" at Holidays. Interesting idea of "Month selected anniversaries", at Oregon.
2. Model intro with some rotating images, after Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro.
3. Revamp DYK sections w/ free-use images, model after Portal:Criminal justice and Portal:Oregon.
4. Portal palettes at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals. Comparable color schemes can be developed from the various hue lists at User:RichardF/Palettes. Also see Portal:Box-header.
5. If there are a lot of categories, then categories section to 2 columns, like in Portal:Indiana.

   Also take some time to check out style/formatting at Portal:Indiana Cirt (talk)

Note to self

Citation model

The Simpsons (season 3)

Body text in-cite

<ref name="REFNAME">], p. PAGENUMBER</ref>

References section

(reference template from WP:CIT)

*<cite id=LASTNAME>REFERENCE</cite>

Dispatch

Cirt, Awadewit suggested that you might be interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch article on Featured portals (the only area of featured content we haven't covered). Sample previous articles are at {{FCDW}}. We've covered:

• Featured content overview
• Peer review
• Did you know
• Featured lists
• Good articles
• Featured sounds
• Featured topics
• Images
• TFA
• And Featured articles many times: Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-10-13/Dispatches

None of them start out looking like that: if an editor initially just chunks in some text, many others chip in to tweak it up to Signpost standards. For example, someone wrote this, which Karanacs, Royalbroil and I turned into this, so if you just chunk in some text as a start, others can help finish it off. Another example, I put in this outline, and Karanacs brought it up to this. Other editors have written almost complete and clean Dispatches without much need for other editing. If you're interested, please weigh in and coordinate at WT:FCDW In case you're interested, you could just begin sandboxing something at WP:FCDW/Portals and pop over to WT:FCDW to leave a note when you're ready for others to help out. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Will mull this over and most likely draft something up. Cirt (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2108 (UTC)

99

Editing from 99 years into the future? :o Enigma 22:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It stops the archival. I know, I know, I really gotta get to this. :( Cirt (talk) 06:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Razzies progress

• 15th Golden Raspberry Awards through 29th Golden Raspberry Awards = reformatting process done.
  • Note: Going to have to go back and model these after the modifications made subsequently to 29th Golden Raspberry Awards.
• 29th Golden Raspberry Awards - so far only one expanded with sourcing research. (WP:FL)
• Razzie Award for Worst New Star = reformatting process done, next to use Talk:Razzie Award for Worst Picture as model to reformat other pages in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards by category (with subsection breaks by decade)

Cirt (talk)

List of Khatri Surnames

Hi Cirt, just curious, why did you delete the List of Khatri Surnames page? This was only requested by 1 or 2 people, but the page actually contains useful information not found on other pages. I am a Khatri by background, and those people who requested to have it moved are not of Khatri origin, so they make requests like this from time to time. Please let me know when you will be re-activating this page. Thanks.

--KhatriNYC (talk) 04:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Cirt, but the concensus was made by people who are not of Khatri origin even. So what right do they have to request to remove it if no harm is being done by keeping it there?

--KhatriNYC (talk) 14:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

STOP acting like Raj Thakrey, the me Marathi thing. JUST because you're a Khatri, that doesn't mean ONLY Khatris have the right to edit such articles. THIS IS Misplaced Pages- The Free Encyclopaedia--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC) that anybody can edit.

User:Ojocitzen

Am I missing something here? Why is this a username violation? (The bot reckoned it was similar to Goatse, which I can't see myself. I had to look up Goatse itself to find out why that might be considered a violation). —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 13:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Unblocked. Cirt (talk) 13:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Not to be too easy on vandals...

...but IMO the block on 166.205.5.19 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) was over the top. If you look at the timestamp for my test1 warning, it was after the ip's last edit to Irony. Essentially, they didn't edit after my warning. ;) Syrthiss (talk) 13:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I did not block it. Cirt (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Lol oops, mea culpa. I saw the block notice and assumed...which I guess I know what that makes me. Syrthiss (talk) 13:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Unclear removal

So why was AIMMS removed (Sep 5, http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/AIMMS, was AIMMS)? This is a software package used by many in the mathematical optimization field. Would appreciate if you just keep it in as it is referred to internally (like GAMS, CPLEX, AMPL, MPL etc.), see General_Algebraic_Modeling_System, CPLEX, AMPL_(programming_language), etc. or are you planning to delete all those as well. Information was/is very general and not commercially oriented. People in our field should be able to find all products in this field and find website representing the product as well (this is where an encyclopedia is for in my eyes). Seems odd to me that people seemingly unfamiliar with the field can just delete this info. Please place it back. Wikiquestions (talk) 22:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, would you mind giving more clarity here (your reply of 'The article was deleted due to consensus at the WP:AFD' is not very specific). I do not see a broad discussion (except for a relisting for deletion by User:Ron_Ritzman on August 30 to generate a broader discussion and 2 comments), nor a well funded reason of removal of this article. Besides, did anyone try to google 'AIMMS Software' (this is more specific and filter out all the other things that also are called AIMMS)? Again AIMMS is a software product (like any other product/brand as iPOD, FORD, Windows Vista etc. only we are used in a (nice) market of mathematical professionals where you encounter also pages for CPLEX etc. posted in a similar fashion and intent: to share what products are out there and how they relate to each other. For example, AIMMS is an enabler of CPLEX). What does it take to have it back up? Should the article be rewritten? If so, this is an invite to do so Wikiquestions (talk) 16:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, so I added 'Delrev' to the page, I hope this helps. Still it would be nice if you provide some specific answers to questions above (so the actual reasoning for deleten can be understood and challenged)? Wikiquestions (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, I am very confused about what's next and still don't see any clear answers to questions. Indeed put up the info again (copy of NEOS, a well trusted source in our communinity); other comparable tools to make it more neutral. If there is anything else that needs to be done, be my guest. That is more fruitful than a complete deletion. Wikiquestions (talk) 17:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

• So did a rewrite with very basic info based on comments received. Hope this suits all. Wikiquestions (talk) 02:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Re. Portal:Indonesia at WP:FPR

Hi there Cirt. Thanks for the note regarding the above portal. I've just moved back to uni and at the minute I'm stuck with a 3G mobile internet pen. Unfortunately the bandwidth and speed is shocking so it's a struggle to load things. As portal maintenance requires loading a large amount of pages I can't really work on the portal just now. My broadband gets installed on Monday and I'm going to make it my priority to work on the portal. It's entirely up to you - no problem if you want to demote it (it's in a very bad way at the minute) - if you do, I'll work on it and renominate it when I'm done - no big deal either way in my opinion. On a personal note, I hope you're well both here and in real life. Take care, Ryan Postlethwaite 22:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Nickbatz block

Hello! I reviewed the unblock request made by User:Nickbatz, whom you indef blocked earlier this evening. I can agree that the editor deserved to be temporarily blocked for not paying heed to concerns raised about his ignoring the no original research requirements. However, I believe his action was an honest error by a very new editor who didn't read our rules and policies; I don't see this as deliberate vandalism and I felt an indef block was harsh. I approved the unblock request, with the request that the editor read up on Misplaced Pages policies regarding WP:RS. Thank you and be well. Pastor Theo (talk) 03:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ney v. Landmark Education Corporation and Werner Erhard

On September 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ney v. Landmark Education Corporation and Werner Erhard, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

WP:DYK 23:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Erhard and Associates v. Christopher Cox for Congress

On September 11, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Werner Erhard and Associates v. Christopher Cox for Congress, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 12:29, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Peer review

I've spent the past six weeks overhauling the hip hop dance article and now that I've finished I posted it for peer review here. I decided to invite you to review it because (1) your user page shows all the articles you've helped obtain GA/FA status and (2) you sent me a welcome message on my wikiquote talk page ;-). Perhaps you can add a FA star for the hip-hop dance page in the future. Anyhow, you're familiar with this process so I would appreciate your feedback. Be forewarned that this is a long article. Not including refs/external links, templates, and categories it's 7 pages printed. If you accept my invitation to review you may want to print it first and make your edits that way. I found it easier to read and to correct when I did this. Although long, it makes for a good read during a lunch break, a bus ride, or pure boredom. I learned a lot myself while rewriting this article. If you like to learn, this could be an incentive for you. //Gbern3 (talk) 18:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Will take a look. Cirt (talk) 19:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

AFD of ArticleAlley

Cirt, I note you closed the above AFD as no consensus. My thought on this was that the keep !votes were hedging on sources that didn't prove WP:N - particularly, Google Books - so my take is that it should have been deleted. May I know how you came to your conclusion, and your opinion of the AFD in general? --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 03:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Those commenting keep made some good points, just not persuasive enough to firmly close the discussion solidly as "Keep", thus the no consensus close. Cirt (talk) 03:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Placer County Youth Orchestra article

Dear Cirt - Would you please reinstate the Placer County Youth Orchestra article? Thank YOu. Waylando91 (talk) 08:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Andrew Peach

Re your question - I'm afraid I'm not experienced enough using Wiki to understand. Who should I address my request for unprotection of this page to? Very much appreciate any help you can give in unprotecting the page if only for long enough for me to add some info. 132.185.144.120 (talk) 10:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of True Family

An article that you have been involved in editing, True Family, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/True Family. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Borock (talk) 13:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

AfD closes

not tha tI disagree with your closes, but 7 days = 7 times 24. Once we start sliding even a few hours earlier, it's always degenerated further. Just a friendly reminder. DGG ( talk ) 20:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Is this referring to a particular close? Cirt (talk) 20:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

File:Obadiah Parker (5x7).jpg

Cirt -- can you check and see if an OTRS ticket was really sent in on this picture, because if not I am going to tag it for deletion. Thank you --Admrboltz (talk) 12:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Nothing came up in a search, but please leave a note for Spike Wilbury (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 12:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thank you. (and thank you from saving me from templating an admin, wouldn't have realized that if I hadn't left a personal message.) --Admrboltz (talk) 12:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Cirt (talk) 13:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Baseball

Could you give the portal a review, please? Staxringold and I are looking to improve it for featured candidacy. Durova 23:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Put it up for a WP:PPREV, and I'll review it there. Cirt (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

United Prosperity deleted on August 31

Hello Cirt

Consensus seems to be this page is to be deleted, and I accept that ,even though it was not my view. I am still left with an unanswered question- have the actions taken by a overzealous volunteer led to the organisation being banned forever from Misplaced Pages? If not, what level of interest - shown by respected and independent publications - would allow the site to be relisted?

I think the organisation will become more widely covered over time but I don't want to waste my time - and that of editors - putting up pages that will be deleted.

Sorry to be so slow in responding to your deletion but after asking questions n the page, I was a little discouraged to see the page simply disappear.

Herne nz (talk) 10:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Article writer

Hey, it was only a joke and it's not meant in any way nasty, it was meant in respect, that you are a good article writer, respect to your writing. I f you still want me to refract it I will. Off2riorob (talk) 18:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow. Thank you, you didn't have to do that!!

On the Bethel Church page, you have really stepped in. This is huge. I can't thank you enough for rewriting the article, it looks really good so far! And fair and balanced, too! I hope the current members can keep their edits off of it once the semi-protect comes off. Thank you, thank you thank you so much!!!! - o0pandora0o (talk) 18:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

It is always good to watch skilled and highly-experienced editor work. I don't care anything about the article, but that was cool just to watch. :) - Sinneed (talk) 19:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The article is a lot better, it was very poor before, but it is still poorly cited and has weak claims to notability. Off2riorob (talk) 20:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Where are your comments regarding the mansfield chad from? this...Savidge, Katherine; Rob James (March 2, 2000). "A Special Chad Investigation". Mansfield Chad. How are you quoting it? Off2riorob (talk) 20:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I have the actual physical newspaper articles from the New London Day with pictures, if you would like to have the pictures scanned in to use for the Wiki article.. Sam Wibberley, Jean Spademan, John Hibbert, The front of Bethel church..- o0pandora0o (talk) 14:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, good deal. They're there for reference, if you change your mind or whatever. - o0pandora0o (talk) 15:30, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I haven't been by there in like 18 years, but I may be able to steel my nerves and snap some pics of Peniel.. King's Chapel changed names a couple years ago. I don't think I can get away with taking pics of the pastors' houses that were renovated by church members without attracting suspicion. I wonder about screencaps of "bird's eye view" bing maps? - o0pandora0o (talk) 18:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

How's this? :) edited to add: I also snapped a pic of the "Peniel" sign, where you can see the words "The" and "Chapel" ghosted underneath the "Peniel" from where it's been painted over, if you'd like that one..- o0pandora0o (talk) 21:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Valentine Nonyela

Since this AFD had been open for 13 days with no one but you and one !voter arguing for deletion, I closed it as "keep". However, you do have a point about it being an unsourced BLP. There's probably hundreds of stubs like this and if there was a good redirect target for it, I would have done it until it was sourced.

At least it only includes who he is and what shows he's been in. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Cirt (talk) 05:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Ney v. Landmark Education Corporation and Werner Erhard

I've undertaken a GA review for the above, per the discussion at the GA talk page. Ping me if you've any issues or questions. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 00:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Redirecting Someday (Rob Thomas song)

Why did you redirect Someday (Rob Thomas song) to Cradlesong. If it's a real song by Rob Thomas Ricky3374 (talk) 00:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Someday (Rob Thomas song). Cirt (talk) 05:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Zoids Graphics and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Robo Strux

Hello! Please undelete the edit histories of these articles. I am not contesting the redirect, but as no one in the discussion seemed outright opposed to a potential merge, we could use the edit history as a basis to start and as no one expressed any concerns of the material needing to be deleted for legal reasons. Thanks! Sincerely, --A Nobody 03:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

There was nothing sourced on those pages. Cirt (talk) 03:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The information can still be helpful per WP:PRESERVE, i.e. we can merge it as worded, but add sources to confirm it, i.e. copy and paste the verifiable information, but add such reliable sources as references as found here, for example. Best, --A Nobody 03:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Cirt (talk) 03:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I will start a merge discussion on the Zoids talk page as that was the suggested merge location in the discussions. Sincerely, --A Nobody 03:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay good luck with the discussion. :) Cirt (talk) 05:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Sincerely, --A Nobody 15:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Please don't

Please don't change the reflist formatting. The Literature articles are no longer relying on Harvnb functions and are going on a clean, non-html approach. This is mass spread and common now, and it would require a large consensus to turn it otherwise. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I created that coding. It is from the Harvnb template. It is the same thing. The project does not want linked footnotes anymore. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It is code from the Harvnb template. Obviously, it is standard HTML. However, if you look at the Drapier's Letters, I added that in there long ago. There were many responses like this, which showed its popularity and started the fad of the Harvnb alternative. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Look at the date. Consensus changed since then. Look at To Autumn, an FA in -poetry- that does not use the style. That is how the current consensus operates. GA does not require any of it regardless. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Listen, if you don't believe me, ask Sandy Georgia. If you want to make a big deal about it, fail the GA and I will take it to GAR so others can speak on the matter. I've told you how it is, as I have over 20 GAs in literature right now and many FAs in the field. If you don't want to believe me, find, don't. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

If you think my tone is harsh, then let me get this straight - if you are going to continue on the subject which I have already demonstrated is highly inappropriate, then I will ask for a topic ban of you at GAN. Your pursuing this matter which has nothing to do with standards at GAN nor is acceptable in various wikiprojects or even at FAC, is completely disrespectful to not only me, but to the whole process. I am through with you on this matter. Any further word on it and I will propose the above. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Cirt (talk) 18:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• Cirt, I do not have anything against you. I do not dislike you. I don't have any ill will towards you. I was stating over and over that I understood exactly what you were talking about and I provided evidence that yes, I felt the same way. As I pointed out, I was overridden in the matter long ago as consensus favors not using those links because of the additional sizing that it adds to the page and possible problems related to that. I stated the above about a topic ban merely because I do not feel like dealing with arguing over links like that and you didn't seem to understand that. It has nothing to do with the rest of your review or anything like that. As per the review, I went off a book -devoted- to the critical responses to the work. Sure, there may be little, non-notable reviews about the work, but they would fall under: "Reviews were favourable for each poem, but the completed set received divided reviews in the United States while it was received overall favourably by the British. The American critics liked the poetry but many did not like the religious content of the work. The British response connected to Eliot's nationalistic spirit." The notable reviews by notable authors who have worked on T.S. Eliot and don't just mention some off hand comment about Four Quartets are included. There are probably some others, but many of the notable ones are on the individual poem pages. Regardless, I count 8 individuals listed in the "Critical response" talking about effectiveness. Another critic is mentioned in the themes. On the four poem pages, there are 14 additional individuals. Having 23 critics blatantly acknowledged and having the generalized response in both America and the UK given is more than what most poetry pages have, especially pages dealing with a poem that is only 60 years old. For GA, which only has to have a large view and not a comprehensive view, that is above and beyond what is necessary. If you found some major Eliot critics that say something about the effectiveness (not a theme, but overall if the poem was successful or not) that you think should be included, please, mention it. If it talks about the Four Quartets in general when doing so, then I can work it in. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• I expanded the lead. I did so after I added in some other references - as you can see, some of them aren't the best as they aren't the most reliable (such as the New Dehli reference), or some are notable but not Eliot focused (Abrams, being the one notable enough to be worth while). I added a quote from Stead, who I used above. I believe I have added six now. Anything more will really be scrapping at the bottom. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: WT:GAN

Hi Cirt. Regarding my comments on WT:GAN, I don't believe that having two reviewers would be productive at all, so I'm not going to try to take over the GAN review. However, I do believe that Hamiltonstone's actions were unethical and rude, since he evaded attempts at establishing consensus through discussion. I'm criticizing his actions, not the review itself. --Edge3 (talk) 20:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I posted a message on his talk page. --Edge3 (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Erhard (book)

On September 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Werner Erhard (book), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

NW (Talk) 07:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Recent AfD closure

You recently closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Homecoming (2008 Short Film) with the result "delete" and then deleted Homecoming (2008 Short Film). However, during the course of the debate, an editor moved the article to Homecoming (2008 short film) (capitalization change); that article has not been deleted. Can you address this situation? WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 13:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Cirt (talk) 15:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Crown Fountain FAC 4

At Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Crown Fountain/archive4‎, we have been asked to clip the Crown Fountain main image, File:Crown fountain spouting.ogg, from 50 to approximately 10 seconds. I do not know anything about .ogg files and am unsure if my co-author knows how to edit them either. Are you willing and able to edit such a file type? Leave a comment at the FAC if you will be able to help.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Not sure how to do that. Cirt (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)