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cite format

Since you had some questions regarding how to cite sources properly here is a list of the various cite templates. It's best to fill out as much information as possible, although you probably won't get all the information. In that case leave the parameter blank. You may want to consider updating refs you have added with additional information. Sifaka 15:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

refTools

Regarding this query last week: For future reference and ease of referencing consider enabling refTools. To do so, select my preferences at the top right corner (it's between my talk and my watchlist). Once preferences is loaded, select gadgets and then check the refTools box and hit save at the bottom of the page. Then a new buttom -- like this will appear in your editing tool bar. It makes adding references of all sorts much easier. Nja 12:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Ty Sifaka and Nja. Nja, would you be my reference and citation mentor?--scuro (talk) 13:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem on the refTools, as for your other request: I don't think that would be the best situation for either of us considering past tensions. I'd be willing to help find suitable candidates though if you're having trouble finding someone, and if you don't want to take a chance with whomever Arb places with you. Nja 14:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought I installed it, but I don't see the icon thingy. I'll look at it more closely this week. You know, finding or understanding what a proper reference is, has never been a problem...simply they were not respected in the past and that is why I avoided them. Citing them properly just requires learning and the curve doesn't look that steep. This is why I picked you and you seem to know what you are doing. There is not much to this except a little teaching and I thought it might be a good bridge for us and allow us to work together for the first time,...but I understand. It doesn't matter who is chosen as long as they know what they are doing.--scuro (talk) 21:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes you need to bypass browser cache for new tools to show. Type 'bypass cache' + the name of your browser (e.g. firefox) in google if you're unfamiliar with bypassing the cache. That should sort it if you chose refTools in your preferences and hit save. Nja 14:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I see a bookmark icon now. An open book with a red ribon. When I press it, < ref > add reference < / ref > appears...simply allowing me to do what I have done before. If I don't press shift reload page the icon disappears.--scuro (talk) 18:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

No you should see the cite icon as I posted above. Did you turn it on in 'my preferences', or did you do it manually by pasting the code into your monobook.js file? Nja 18:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I've got a mac, tried three different applications, including firefox and safari. The box is checked but no icon when I go to edit.--scuro (talk) 13:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Straw Poll

Hi, you were involved in the discussion at Talk:Ron Paul. A straw poll is currently being conducted to discern concensus.Chhe (talk) 13:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello, scuro. I've put forward another proposal in an attempt to resolve the content dispute at Ron Paul. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Thanks! Nick Graves (talk) 17:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive comments.
The next time you make a personal attack as you did at Talk:Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. You have made multiple personal attacks, accusing members of all sorts of things, culminating in a personal attack on Doc James and myself. You know fine rightly that I used 95% plus of sources to high quality secondary sources, meta-analysis and review articles. You are intentionally trying to belittle and smear opposing editor's characters, using malicious false accusations. You have also been baiting people with previous edits on talk pages in the past couple of days. Literaturegeek | T@1k? 00:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have requested administrator Xeno's help with regards to your threats. --scuro (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

LG, to me that isn't really a personal attack, rather Scuro's opinion. I wish you lot could learn to edit in a way that was productive to Misplaced Pages without getting too touchy over things said. Nja 06:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it is because you do not edit medical and pharmacology articles Nja, which is why you are viewing things differently. He is saying harmful things to editors who he opposes, such as Doc james and I and perhaps others which can seriously damage our reputations in the editing environment and projects we edit in. He also knows from arbcom talk page as well as on ADHD article talk pages that I oppose antipsychiatry groups, that I regard them as doing much more harm than good, extremist and not rational in a lot of what they say. He accused me of those views knowing I feel that I would not take too kindly to it. If I spent my time lets say editing football articles or or geography articles then it wouldn't matter to me much. Many people have the ADHD article on their watch list. What happens the next time drama crops up, someone seizes on lies told by scuro as "evidence" to use against me? Scuro needs a mentor, I feel. Scuro by the way where in arbcom did it say mentor was "only to help you with citations"?--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 07:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd love to edit together with those holding minority opinion, NJA. They have avoided EVERY attempt at mediation or true consensus building. But that's what happens when editors are allowed to bring cases to arb com having never attempted these normal methods of seeking agreement. Why bother seeking a meeting of the minds when you don't have to do so. Worse yet, they were allowed to take very personal pot shots at me during arbitration, and continue to personalize the talk pages, and nothing is done. As for LG, I'd respond to her groundless accusations if she wants mediation.--scuro (talk) 11:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

To scuro: Mediation has been attempted and failed, multiple times, up to, and including arbitration. Let's face it, you're basically calling your disagreement "no consensus" as to stall any discussion that you oppose, then demand mediation and claim it has never been attempted. I have stated before, social construct theory is wrong, however, a recent search at Google Scholar bring up an insubstantial amount of relevant sources. Either way, a good amount of normal people still believe ADHD is fake.

To LG: This probably wasn't the most appropriate of warnings. A level 2 warning might have been more appropriate, but in this case I would not have used a templated warning to begin with, even with a comment.--Unionhawk 17:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Union. It was because of the background to this case, that this is an ongoing repetaive issue with a long history and as you know arbcom getting involved that I chose a level4 warning. Perhaps a level2 warning would have been better.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 19:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Please show me the link of any attempted mediation that any of you initiated. It doesn't exist. It's even more of a joke that you state it was tried at arbitration. I was rebuffed at every turn there. NJA would know what happened there, and I hope his eyes have been opened here. It is ironic that you folks come on to my talk page to complain about the great efforts you have made. How about simply making an attempt now for the first time? Consensus can be sought at anytime. Either that or simply respond to the many open concerns in the archived talk pages. I hope that NJA and other administrators see who is still making an effort, and which people avoid a meeting of minds at every turn.--scuro (talk) 20:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Consensus is achieved via using refs. All I get is meta-analysis and systematic reviews are fringe, minority and people wanting them cited are being scientologists and antipsychiatrists. Original research cannot be cited, there is no consensus on this unless original research policy is deleted. Please provide refs for your position and then we can discuss things. As stated countless times before you are more than welcome to become a constructive wikipedian and contribute to the enclyclopedia using refs.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 21:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Simply tell me that you want to work things out. Where there is a will there is a way, others in Misplaced Pages will help us.--scuro (talk) 04:26, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

You can put your responce Abce2|This isnot a test 22:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

There is nothing that I would like to do more then focus strictly on content. Will you help me in this regard? I've been swept into a giant pool of drama by pointing out personalized attacks made against me. It's been incredibly frustrating that none of the regular contributors is willing to respond to numerous points of undue weight and bias that I made on the ADHD pages over a month ago. See archives #12-16 in the talk pages. Issues have been tagged so they are easy to spot. Sure could use some guidance here, especially since these editors have always avoid any form of reconciliation or mediation.--scuro (talk) 04:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I've seen others advise for you to let it go. I would do the same. It hurts to do this but someone has to be the bigger person. I would definitely advise moderating your own tone though, I got sucked into a war with someone once and I blew my stack. In the end that user got the last satisfaction because I was the one blocked. We have to remember while lobbying for whatever it is we are lobbying for (assuming it's not disruptive lobbying) that we have to remain above the conflicts. Try letting the past go. If you have further questions or comments tell them you no longer wish to discuss it. This doesn't mean you can go willy nilly against policy but it does give you recourse to complain of further "offenses". Like I say though if you are crying out your own actions will be heavily scrutinized as well. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. It is so very hard to not respond to numerous false accusations and not get sucked in....kind of like what Obama is facing now. I am reconsidering how I deal with such situations.--scuro (talk) 05:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Mediation Request

A request for formal mediation of the dispute concerning ADHD has been filed with the Mediation Committee (MedCom). You have been named as a party in this request. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/ADHD and then indicate in the "Party agreement" section whether you would agree to participate in the mediation or not.

Mediation is a process where a group of editors in disagreement over matters of article content are guided through discussing the issues of the dispute (and towards developing a resolution) by an uninvolved editor experienced with handling disputes (the mediator). The process is voluntary and is designed for parties who disagree in good faith and who share a common desire to resolve their differences. Further information on the MedCom is at Misplaced Pages:Mediation Committee; the policy the Committee will work by whilst handling your dispute is at Misplaced Pages:Mediation Committee/Policy; further information on Misplaced Pages's policy on resolving disagreements is at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes.

If you would be willing to participate in the mediation of this dispute but wish for its scope to be adjusted then you may propose on the case talk page amendments or additions to the list of issues to be mediated. Any queries or concerns that you have may be directed to an active mediator of the Committee or by e-mailing the MedCom's private mailing list (click here for details).

Please indicate on the case page your agreement to participate in the mediation within seven days of the request's submission.

Thank you, Unionhawk

Request for mediation not accepted

A Request for Mediation to which you were are a party was not accepted and has been delisted. You can find more information on the case subpage, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/ADHD. For the Mediation Committee, Ryan Postlethwaite 23:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Your personal connection

Hello scuro, I would like to know what your personal connection to user hyperion is?--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 11:55, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Not to worry hyperion has given me an explaination which I have accepted. I have as you can see struck out my above comments.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 22:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Arbcom

There is one issue which needs addressing urgently and sadly your latest post to the collaboration project has meant that this action has needed to be taken.Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#Request_to_amend_prior_case:_ADHD--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 03:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Notification of a NEW request to amend ArbCom case

A new request for amendment of the ADHD remedies has just been filed. This one asks for additions to Remedy 3) Scuro placed under mentorship. This notification is being added to the talk pages of scuro, Literaturegeek, Jmh649, Unionhawk and WhatamIdoing. - Hordaland (talk) 09:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)