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January 2009

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:2008–2009_Israel–Gaza_conflict, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Creez34 (talk) 00:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Gaza Conflict

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. I've noticed your recent activity on Operation Cast Lead, specifically as pertaining to Gary Grant. Please consult the three revert rule before proceeding on editing that section, or you may place yourself in violation of Misplaced Pages policy. Please let me know if you have any questions, and I mean that honestly. I remember what it was like my first few weeks editing, and I'd like to help you in any way I can (though I'm hardly a WP guru). Saepe Fidelis (talk) 23:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for warm welcome :) I'm not an expert in Misplaced Pages abbreviations. I would like in good faith to ask you to let Gary Grant opinion be. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 00:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Please do not removed sourced material without bringing it up for discussion in the talk page. Nableezy (talk) 03:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Which change are you referring to? I'd be glad to discuss. Sorry I'm weak at wikipedia etiquette. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 04:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Specifically the removal of the paragraph that the UN says Israel has acknowledged that the militants were not firing from within the school. If you want to add something like that this does not preclude militants from firing in the vicinity of the school, fine but get a source (I know there are sources for this, just dont have them at the tip of my fingers) But it would be better before making these kinds of edits to discuss is in the talk page, no big deal but just so people dont start accusing you of vandalism. Nableezy (talk) 04:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to 2008–2009_Israel–Gaza_conflict, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Yes AgadaUrbanit please come to the Talk:2008–2009_Israel–Gaza_conflict page to discuss edits thank you. RomaC (talk) 06:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Youtube

In you edit, you used Youtube as a source. Youtube isn't a reliable source.VR _talk 02:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

IDF Spokesperson's Unit has opened a channel on the website YouTube. This is official IDF source. This is how information is distributed these days. It is hardly unreliable. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 02:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Please use the talk page

Concerning this edit , I would appreciate that you write a reason for your edit, and to use the talk page to discuss your action. The photo met the conditions set forth by all sides, if you object, you should voice your opinion on the talk page before removing components like the image. Thanks --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 18:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I've already expressed my opinion on talk page Photos section. I oppose this picture, without hurting anyone feeling. I think it does not represent Gaza conflict casualties fairly. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 00:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

In an attempt to find some consensus, are there any pictures in particular you feel fairly represent Gaza conflict casualties? --Cdogsimmons (talk) 03:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I hope as fog of war slowly settle down in Gaza and foreign press and independent observers enter we will see more credible facts. There were a lot of false claims around what WP call Zeitoun incident which some will say are part of traditional Hamas war practices. It is very sad that UN so easily, without any investigation, took part and repeated those claims. Sources of this picture are not verifiable this is why I oppose this picture. Hope you see my point. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, Agada

Does your name mean something in another language, like Hebrew? It is quite musical on the tongue. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate the work you are trying to do on the Gaza article. I see that the others have joined in in reverting your edits and warning you on your talk page. They seem to have swarmed the talk pages of all who disagree with them. I agree with your view of the UN and Hamas war practices. Best wishes. Tundrabuggy (talk) 05:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

hello

I am actually in America, my parents came here from Egypt. And I do not necessarily believe everything I read on BBC, specifically the uncorroborated accounts you are referring to. But I do think that we, as editors of an encyclopedia, should try to take a wider view of the events. I think you are overall doing a good job, but some of your edits seem to try blame Hamas for these events, which even if it were true shouldn't be done in an encyclopedia. Thanks for the message though, and take care. Nableezy (talk) 04:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I think you should look at WP:3RR and these edits (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict&diff=prev&oldid=266091813

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict&diff=prev&oldid=266061460 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict&diff=prev&oldid=266060389 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict&diff=prev&oldid=266044580 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict&diff=prev&oldid=266009507 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict&diff=266153293&oldid=266152871) I am not going to report you, as I said before you seem to be acting in good faith, but you should seek consensus before adding that line as a number of editors have already reverted it. I also think you should probably self-revert the latest addition until the conversation finishes up. Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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"Hamas chose this area..."

Hi Agada, I appreciate what you are saying but "...heart of Gaza city was chosen by Hamas Gaza government for military installations" is not supported by the source. That's mainly why I reverted, because the content does not reflect the source. RomaC (talk) 11:44, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

AgadaUrbanit, please don't blanket revert my edits. You re-introduced nmistakes I fixed. The source says nothing about "international law". It says only that they were counted as civilians by the PCHR. Said Siam and Nizar Rayan were not "military commanders". The first was the Minister of the Interior and the second a spiritual leader. Tiamut 16:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. Please provide sources that state that both individuals were "military commanders". Please also explain the relevance to the section on casualties. I already replied to your other comments in the relevant section on the talk. Tiamut 16:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

AgadaUrbanit, with all due respect, your failure to understand the key policies ofWP:CONSENSUS and WP:OR and your continuing restoration of material that defies both policies is more offensive that my supposed lack of etiquette. I am trying to friendly but firm my friend. Do not add original research to the articles. Do not add material not supported by the sources cited. Do not repeatedly re-add material once others point out these kinds of problems to you in it. Discuss, find better sources and gain consensus. Thanks. Tiamut 18:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

AgadaUrbanit. I reinstated my edit once after making it. While I am glad you read my talk page, you did not read it very closely, since you would not have called me a "naughty boy" (I am, as noted on my page, a married woman). Anyway, I'm not warring with you. I suggest you read the comments of others and reply substantively before you go about reinstating the edits you have repeatedly (as noted above by Nableezy). Thanks. Tiamut 22:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• Emek Hefer covers a huge land area. Which settlement do you live in? If you would rather not say, that's okay. Tiamut 13:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

hey

thanks for the apology... I had assumed some weird tech thing anyways :P--Cerejota (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

yeah, sorry if i seemed snappish. there has been alot of name-calling and i just jumped to that conclusion. didn't mean to assume bad faith. Untwirl (talk) 08:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I also take the opportunity to say that while we don't always agree, I feel we listen to each other closely, and try, mostly successfully, to understand each other. That represents the best side of the BRD process, and hence wikipedia. Rational discussion promotes rational results, even if it is slow as molasses.--Cerejota (talk) 19:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yusef the Farmer

I do support your point on the "Israeli army admission" - even reliable sources have unreliable information form time to time so that's why we have WP:V. However, that a farmer was shot after the cease fire seems to me to be a verifiable fact - however, I see it generating too much debate. This was obviously a "fog of war" shooting - not an ill-willed ceasefire violation. A sentence with sourcing should be enough, in my opinion. --Cerejota (talk) 20:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The director of ambulance services

Absolutely, I have a little time since I have been banned from the Gaza conflict article. How do you want to go about it? Shall I start it in a sandbox or do you want to start it? If you like, I could start it in my "sandbox" and give you a link for you to add information and get it a bit up to "snuff" before putting it up. Let me know. Tundrabuggy (talk) 15:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, I haven't really got to much, but here but did start it. Please fill it in and I will too, a bit later in the day. We might want to look for some personal details about this fellow, like where and when he was born etc. See:User:Tundrabuggy/sandbox1 Best, Tundrabuggy (talk) 15:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I lied. I haven't got a little time, I'm afraid. And looks like you don't have much either. Anyway, it will keep. I wanted to ask you though, what your personal opinion is of what the title of that article ought to be? Myself I am conflicted. I do know that the article as it stands does not reflect the current title. Tundrabuggy (talk) 03:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

The farmer

Agada, could you please join the discussion here? I'm not interested in edit warring and I'd like to hear your explanation of why not ordering the incidents by the order of their occurrence and thus, reverting my edit. Thanks. --Darwish07 (talk) 22:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Civility barnstar

You've been really civil in the discussions regarding the latest gaza war, thus I give you this little barnstar ;):

		Civility Award
		Sincerely, I award you a barnstar for your civility in the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict debates. --Darwish (talk) 12:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

You can move it to your user page if you like. Regards. --Darwish (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I second this barnstar ;) I was about to give it!--Cerejota (talk) 19:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Illegal use of weapon enforced by law

It's funny because when someone, Egypt I think, qualified for the world cup years ago there were AK47 bullets whizzing past the balcony of my apartment in Abu Dhabi. No one seemed to mind. :) Sean.hoyland - talk 10:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Although I have never agreed with Israel occupation policies, we have to admit that their internal economical and political conditions is a way more better than the Arab ones. --Darwish07 (talk) 21:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

removal of talk page section

Agada, please do not remove sections from the talk page, the archiver will not work like that. It will take them out after a lil bit, and we need them to point back to past discussions. Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 19:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if I did any damage. I believe that closed discussion could be removed. Could you point me to WP rule describing correct procedure? 10x AgadaUrbanit (talk) 20:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

WP:TALK, what you did is a total violation, if in good faith. Usually to close a discussion we use {{discussion top}}, a two part template, so be sure to read its documentation. Then you wait for the bot to archive. --Cerejota (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Or just wait for it to be archived after a set time elapses after the last comment. Nableezy (talk) 21:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Removal of casualties chart

Agada, you removed a chart that had been in the 2008–2009_Israel–Gaza_conflict article for a month or more. Please seek consensus on Talk for this sort of editing. RomaC (talk) 19:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

On a related note please stop making the same disputed changes every day. Nableezy (talk) 20:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

You have the proverbial patience of Job

It does get frustrating sometimes, and becomes difficult to assume good faith when some editors behave like a wall, imposing themselves between what we know is accurate and fair and the article. I think you really deserve that Barnstar and think it was great of Darwish to offer it. Hope all is going well with you. Just wanted to say "hello" and "best wishes", Tundrabuggy (talk) 05:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I see that you have been "officially warned." That appears to generally mean that the other side has it in for you. I am beginning to suspect that anyone whom I correspond with in a friendly way will instantly be slapped with a warning. So I apologize and urge you to be careful since someone clearly "reported" you. What for I really don't know.

Anyway I wanted to ask you, as it is too late to remove my friendly comments, regarding your comment on that page re: Egypt's opening of the Rafah crossing to encourage this unity government. Do you have a thought on this unity government? Do you have a feeling for what the Israeli people mainly think of it? Tundrabuggy (talk) 04:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Palestine-Israel enforcement

As a result of an arbitration case, the Arbitration committee has acknowledged long-term and persistent problems in the editing of articles related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, broadly understood. As a result, the Committee has enacted broad editing restrictions, described here and below.

• Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process.
• The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; bans on any editing related to the topic or its closely related topics; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project.
• Prior to any sanctions being imposed, the editor in question shall be given a warning with a link to this decision; and, where appropriate, should be counseled on specific steps that he or she can take to improve his or her editing in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines.
• Discretionary sanctions imposed under the provisions of this decision may be appealed to the imposing administrator, the appropriate administrators' noticeboard (currently WP:AE), or the Committee.

These editing restrictions may be applied to any editor for cause, provided the editor has been previously informed of the case. This message is to so inform you. This message does not necessarily mean that your current editing has been deemed a problem; this is a template message crafted to make it easier to notify any user who has edited the topic of the existence of these sanctions.

Generally, the next step, if an administrator feels your conduct on pages in this topic area is disruptive, would be a warning, to be followed by the imposition of sanctions (although in cases of serious disruption, the warning may be omitted). Hopefully no such action will be necessary.

This notice is only effective if given by an administrator and logged here.

PhilKnight (talk) 12:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Pic

Will do.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Picture of the Girl in front of the wall at 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict

Please don't replace the picture of the girl in front of the wall with the one of the rockets without further discussion on the talk page. There are clearly people opposed to you doing so, and the change should be discussed before we start a revert war.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 13:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

March 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Nableezy (talk) 00:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

April 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Nableezy (talk) 19:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

You have been reported to the edit warring noticeboard, you can see this here Nableezy (talk) 22:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Agada, I am asking you to stop removing information that is relevant and properly sourced over and over again. You have made this same or very similar edit multiple times. Please refrain from continuing to do so without getting consensus for the edit. To be clear, I am not trying to get you into trouble, and I withdrew the 3RR complaint when you said you would stop. But please keep in mind the notice PhilKnight gave above and refrain from such practices. Thanks you, Nableezy (talk) 20:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Agada, we have been through this before, every action described in the prop/psych warfare section has been explicitly called psychological warfare/propaganda. Please stop changing that. Nableezy (talk) 23:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Do NOT remove the names without consensus, if you do so again a thread will be opened on Arbitration enforcement. This has been stable in the lead for more than 3 months now, you need to get consensus to remove it. Nableezy (talk) 19:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Lawyers

Sean.hoyland - talk 06:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Israel–Gaza conflict

You added some references to support the use of "Gaza Victory". Even though this is more tragic than funny. Please consider fixing the references. When using the Cite web template, one MUST provide a title. Debresser (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

After three weeks of relentless bombing of Gaza, Hamas, which has lost an undisclosed number of fighters as well as numerous high-ranking officials, finds it can still declare victory. In some parts of the Middle East, victory, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. See http://www.metimes.com/International/2009/01/20/what_was_the_gaza_war_about/5055/print/ AgadaUrbanit (talk) 20:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

"Rak BeYsrael"

Sean.hoyland - talk 02:34, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

May 2009

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Gandusaleh (talk) 08:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

edit warring includes making the same revert over a period of time, not just 3 in 24 hours, keep it up and you will be blocked. Gandusaleh (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Casualties' demographics

Hi. I guess you added this sentence: 'However, following publication of PCHR casualty name list, ICT researcher noted that demographic gender and age distribution analysis refutes allegations of Israeli forces targeting Palestinians randomly and indiscriminately. ' I am afraid this sentence has some 'imperfections' and will be soon ruled out. First, it starts with 'however', the problem here is that ICT report does not refute particularly those statements. Second, it cites , which provides basic distribution of PCHR list, but has nothing to do with ICT. I think, citing the report (or the powerpoint) would be more appropriate. --Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 12:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Gaza War lede

ahlan wa sahlan, I don't see the consensus that would warrant the deletion. I know, however, that there is long standing consensus for it to be there. Since there is consensus for it, you should find a suitable replacement rather than deleting it. I understand that you rather have it in the propaganda section, but I have yet to see nonpartisan reliable sources refer to the term as propaganda. We will continue this in that thread. -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 20:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the kind message. The picture looks like it came with the pieces of another kitten or two that may have had an unhappy encounted with a either a katyusha rocket or a hellfire missile. Misplaced Pages is tough place to raise a kitten. But thanks anyway. =) --JGGardiner (talk) 21:31, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Agada...

All in all, you are one fair dude. Fair as in, you know the value of things, so you don't get easily ripped off. I wanted to wish you happy 'cloud' time, the less time you spend in reality the better. Well, anyways, you know, yeah...yup. But you know, if is this, then what it is? i don know, sometimes i feel like i just don know. and that thing, that you know won't show, like if it has been showed, then why not? i dont know, i just dont know. But then again, if someone knows, then someones HAVE to know. Yeah, i know, well, I hope you are oka buddy. Have a good one! Cryptonio (talk) 01:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

welcome back

Hi Agada, welcome back. I like the red in the signature, though I was thinking of making it so it would be a random color every time. But anyways, welcome back. nableezy - 17:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

have it take a random number mod some number and assign a color to each answer and use that color. The syntax is kind of tricky but it isnt that bad. You can look at User:Nableezy/sandbox to see it. Purge the page and it will change colors each time. nableezy - 19:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Naw, what you do is save the code somewhere and in your preferences you define your signature by substituting the template you created. Not sure what the NUMBEROFEDITS is, either my current edits or the total WP, dont really know. nableezy - 23:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

could you please stop adding pictures to the talk page? every once of a while it can provide a bit of levity but it does slow down the loading of the page when there are many. Thanks, nableezy - 22:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

confused. nableezy - 23:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Zoo

The Hanover_Zoo article needs a fair bit of work, seems to have been put together by their publicity department -- I tagged it but don't know much about zoos. I can do some research, it might be fun if you helped me? The other articles will still be there when we're done...RomaC (talk) 13:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

edit warring

you are past 3 reverts, I will be filing a report if you continue. nableezy - 18:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Nab, sorry that you continue to revert discussed changes. Hope you could find inner strength to deal with it on talk page and address physical protection statics. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 21:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

discussed does not mean agreed. You need to stop warring in material over the objections of others. nableezy - 22:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

1. Hodge, Nathan (2008-12-30). "YouTube, Twitter: Weapons in Israel's Info War". Wired. Retrieved 2008-12-31.