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Misplaced Pages is vandalised and biased by cliques of agenda driven editors censoring those they disagree with and distorting our article content in order to impose their personal beliefs on everyone else. Anyone who tries to correct inaccuracies, balance coverage, or uphold the core neutral point of view policy and its requirement that we include a variety of notable viewpoints is stalked, harassed, and intimidated into silence. This thuggish behavior and the disgusting damage it does to the integrity of Misplaced Pages has been encouraged by dishonest and corrupt admins. It has also been condoned by an incompent arbcom committee that can’t be bothered to enforce our most basic and fundamental policies and values.

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Distortions, lies, smears, stalking and harassment from thugs

Editors and administrators can misrepresent and lie about my edits and edit history to smear me. They can harass, stalk, and attempt to intimidate me with impunity. Fine. I don't want to discuss it any more. Let Arbcom do what they want. If they choose to continue to encourage liars and thugs then so be it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

About running for adminship

Hi, CoM. Regarding this comment: It's been a little over three months since I last ran, so I'm a bit more confident that I'll pass if I run again. Feel free to add my name to whatever list you have at WT:RFA. Timmeh (review me) 23:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I would be inclined to support you Timmeh, even though I opposed last time. There was a discussion on the RfA page about how no one was running and I noted you as one of those who I thought would make a good candidate. But my endorsement is probably the last thing you need and I don't think my nomming you would be helpful. :) Anyway, good luck. Please keep in mind that it's important to make welcome those with alternative viewpoints and unusual perspectives. Also, collegial discussion and problem solving through mediation should always be the first option in resolving disputes and blocking should be the last option. :) Sadly even our Arbs don't seem to get that, which may explain the high level of tension, incivility and disatisfaction. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't take this in the wrong way, but I don't want your nomination, and I think you know why. I was just saying that you could put my name on that list at WT:RFA, in case one of the RfA regulars is looking for someone to nominate. Timmeh (review me) 00:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I completely understand. No worries. You might check with Skomorkh or ThaddeusB. They seem to be the ones leading the charge, and seem to be working up a vetting process they are trying out that might interest you. Good luck! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:17, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look into that. Timmeh (review me) 00:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

hey CoM

Unrequested advice, remember to be civil and nice and if you can't then don't talk to them. Off2riorob (talk) 23:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Being nice works both ways. Misrepresenting an editor's good faith contributions, smearing them, lyng about their block log, and trying to block them for a month when a simple note to avoid a particular article subject would suffice doesn't seem very civil to me. I'm coming to understand that the lack of collegiality and the tense and uncivil environment here starts at the top. Thanks for the note. I certainly appreciate your efforts to help. If other editors, admins and arbcom worked to resolve disputes instead of playing cop, this would all be a lot more fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree there is a lot of that, I try to avoid it. I think this is better... keep it in mind that the last thing to be done is to block an editor, don't go to any noticeboard and encourage it, try to avoid it at all cost, resolution is the way to grow. I was going to say to you, stay away from those editors and those articles, chill on some other work. Off2riorob (talk) 23:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

New articles

What are we going to create??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

:) You got me. I was fooled at first. Things have gotten so ridiculous that this block is entirely believable. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you extend that? This edit clearly deals with seeds. An example of a seed is an acorn. ACORN and acorn are spelled the same, and therefore are Obama-related articles. Law _{type! snype?} 01:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Hell that was confusing. Funny though considering how true it is. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 02:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Archives

You're welcome. I was just cleaning up from the fallout of a nasty bug with the archiving bot. Graham87 05:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion for a change of pace

If you want to work on something big and meaty that couldn't possibly be related to Obama, allow me to suggest http://en.wikipedia.org/United_States_and_state_terrorism . This article has been a chronic stain ever since it's creation and could use someone dedicated to go through and clean house. Jtrainor (talk) 05:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

If you don't think a stalker can make any editing I do to that article out to be Obama related you are sadly mistaken. But I appreciate the thought.

All I can do is edit in good faith. I do my best to abide by the decisions made by Misplaced Pages's community elected bodies, even those with which I strenuously disagree. The arbitration result was a joke to begin with, and I expected that such a misguided and ill-considered outcome would embolden those who engage in abusive tactics and intimidation. I hope that at some point I will be allowed to edit in peace and that collegial discussion and collaboration will replace the gangland environment that's been created by abusive cliques and their admin enforcers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 10:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

If someone follows you to that article and adds Obama-related junk to it, I will gladly back you up with a WP:ANI report. I'd be most pleased to see some of the jerks around here nailed to the wall. Jtrainor (talk) 22:21, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Another ANI report is the last thing I want to be any part of. :) I'll take another look at the article when I get a chance. I think I've wrapped up the mass of comments needed to respond to my present circumstances. I'm looking forward to returning my focus to article creation and improvement work and away from the drahmaz.

Whether I'm a jerk or not is for others to judge, but I hope I'm not going to be the one nailed to the wall. :) I'm still hoping a proper mediation and dispute resolution process will soon be established so we can all keep our focus on article content, sourcing, and the appropriate policies and guidelines that apply. I think this would go a long way in helping to modify behaviors so as to promote constructive collaboration and collegiality and allow us to weed out those who aren't here to build articles and edit constructively. The relentless feuding and disruption from POV pushers is all a bit much. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Georgia Right to Life

Thank you so much for all the help. I really appreciate it. I hope I can make this page as neutral, informative, and credible as possible. (````Mission: Life````)— Preceding unsigned comment added by ] (] • ])

You're welcome. Misplaced Pages isn't meant to be a webhost for the organization and the article should cover what is notable and significant to encyclopedia readers. So I repeat my suggestion that you try to source the article to reliable independent media such as those available on Google news. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

For dropping by my page. I was out of line. I find it difficult sometimes to deal with the far left. Leftist Latin Americans make me regret that I even speak the same language. Most of the meltdowns I have are when I see the extreme bias that I encounter on certain pages. Most of the things I object to eventually get changed. I really might write an essay "Please disrupt Misplaced Pages tomake a point" as it seems only disruption gets any attention drawn to the issues and so change can be effectuated. Not an essay to be followed, but one to provoke thought. All the articles that even tangentially bear a relation to US Cold War foreign relations towards Latin America have been hijacked. Well take care. I now know what line not to cross (although I don't understand how people who personalize things can cry when it gets too personal and seek blocks).--Die4Dixie (talk) 18:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed I would say that's a pretty bright, shining, and clear line in that particular example. :) I understand from your comments that there was provocation, but ummm best to avoid lashing out. I too sometimes lose my cool with all the craziness. I need to take up yoga.

I haven't edited those articles... yet. The intensity of your feelings related to those subjects indicates to me that you may need a break from that area of the encyclopedia. Surely there are lots of lovely Leftists down there who (without commenting on the the merits or demerits of their views) mean well.

Upholding our core NPOV policy is certainly a struggle on divisive issues. I've stumbled into working on some of the climate change articles and its pretty heated (get it, heated???).

Have you tried posting areas of dispute to a wider audience at the relevant notice board to get additional input? Independent opinions and outside views can be helpful. I also find that it puts things in better perspective and reminds me that whatever little area I'm toiling away on is connected to a wider network of editors. The dispute resolution process here is pretty bad, but it's definitely worth availing yourself of what exists and is of use.

Another approach is to ask an editor you think is fair (ie. one that is as happy to disagree as to agree with you) for an opinion about an issue that comes up. I leave it up to them whether they just want to give me their opinion, comment in the discussion, or get involved. And I try not to offer my opinion when I request their views so as to get a fair and as unbiased as possible a perspective. Usually I just provide a link or enough information to direct them to the issue. I don't think that's canvasing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Shipbuilding

Thanks for "cleaning" up after my (and some other's) edits. My only intention (and connection in regards to this article) was to keep some repeated spam out of it. Hopefully the IP editor won't be so bold and blunt in the future and reverse to his/her last edit w/o paying attention to other editor's contributions. Cheers, --The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 19:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay. No problem. My edit summary ("let's try to be accurate") wasn't directed at you, I was just expressing what I was trying to do. Usually I just put "tweak", so there's no chance for miscommunication or misunderstanding. :) I didn't look into the edit history, only the most recent edit that popped up in my watchlist. So I am not up on the broader history or any issues involved other than what I tried to address with my edit. Thanks very much for the courteous note. Take care and have fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I didn't think your edit summary was directed at me. I just wanted to thank you for your recent edit (which I could have done by myself but as I somehow pointed out above, I don't think I'm obliged to do so). I knew someone would come around and fix "the rest". Cheers (again), The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 20:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for taking the time to express appreciation for my work. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm new here

But when looking at the history on some of the articles I've been reading, I see lots of good info coming from your edits. Thanks for all the hard work!! Kocs (talk) 02:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Subterfuge

Compared to most people in the community, I agree with you. Hell, I even think that Mantanmoreland shouldn't have been run off of the project, and I spend a long time working to prove his socking. We literally cannot stop socking from happening, and I think it's much better to have people edit with stable accounts—the devils we know, after all. I just draw the line on people who aren't ready to give up their games. I just think it's clear that he's not done gaming. I'd bet a week's wages that he's still running another account. Cool Hand Luke 02:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I can eat fifty eggs! _matic 03:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh. I don't know if I can eat 50 eggs, but I've often got nuthin'. Cool Hand Luke 03:13, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Nobody can eat 50 eggs. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, sometimes nuthin's a . . . _matic 03:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Real good cool hand? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Almost ;) _matic 04:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I don't think I ever realized remembered that was where the name of the movie came from. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

That's cuz yer really not that smart. Law _{type! snype?} 06:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

You got your mind right, Law? Cool Hand Luke 14:55, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Some men you just can't reach. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I could, and have eat fifty eggs. ϢereSpielChequers 15:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• What .. we got here, is a failure, ... (I'll let someone else fill in the links and blanks) ;) — Ched :  ?  15:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Tagging

I think that this has just the right number of article issue tags.--kelapstick (talk) 23:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. I posted it to ANI for the inspiration of other good faith editors who may not be using tags to their full effect. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think an ANI post was required.--kelapstick (talk) 17:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it didn't go over well. Oops. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Climate change modeling

Why isn't there an article on climate change modeling? Isn't that a pretty big and important subject? Is it under a different title? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:44, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess because one does not model change one models climates to predict change? Global climate model Climate model? --BozMo talk 18:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and redirected climate change modeling to global climate model. That way, people won't hit a redlink if they search for it, and they'll be directed to our existing information on the topic. MastCell  18:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks MastCell. I'm still very surprised there isn't an article on climate change modeling. I think there's an important distinction between climate modeling and climate change modeling, even as they are related. People model climates and try to predict weather patterns, but this isn't the same thing as modeling climate changes that are systemic. Climate change modeling has to incorporate dyamisms and accelerations that a climate model doesn't. The erath's climates aren't static by nature, but the factors related to the change are quite critical. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but you're wrong in this case. There's absolutely no difference between a climate model and a climate change model other than the specification of GHG concentrations. They're exactly the same code. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 19:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

What is GHG? If what you say is true, that's very disturbing. Understanding how a climate operates and understanding how changes to a climate system effect climate are not the same thing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

GHG = greenhouse gas. I know less than nothing about climate modeling, but part of the reason to model anything is that you can then change parameters in the model and see how other parameters are affected. So a "climate model" and a "climate change model" are probably semantically the same. MastCell  20:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

@MastCell, yes, thanks for explaining. Apologies for lapsing into jargon. @ CoM: The physical principles that govern fluid dynamics and thermodynamics don't change when the concentrations of greenhouse gases increase (or decrease). Perhaps this should be moved from William's talk -- your place or mine? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)