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Albigensian Crusade

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If your ears are burning

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Recent_unsuccessful_candidates. - Dank (push to talk) 03:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Consensus is against you

You do realize that multiple people have pointed out the absurdity in even attempting to claim the guy as an expert on Wilde. As such, your continual pushing the matter continues to go beyond point. If you claim as you do that you want to stay in the RS noticeboard and you are pushing obviously wrong statements, then it is clear that a topic ban would be necessary to keep you from disrupting. There is no content dispute. There is no dispute. There are only a few people trying to push an absurdity. You have gone on far enough. If you set up an RfC for me, I will start up a section asking for you to be topic banned because your understanding is so flawed it is disruptive because you have gone to various things to push something that is clearly inappropriate and you wont stop. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

The way to stop bullies is to confront them. Ottava has behaved in this abusive fashion to dozens of people, and it's about time we put an end to it.

Judith, all you have to do is find someone else who has tried to get through to Ottava. That's not hard -- I tried a couple of times myself. Ottava is way out of line with his shrill and nonsensical demands for bans, blocks, desysoppings, and topic bans, each of which are violations of our behavioral policies, in spite of his wikilawyering. Just say no to bullying. Antandrus (talk) 13:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Antandrus, it is nice to see you here. You do realize that your post is further evidence of your abusive meat puppeting, which can result in desysopping and long term blocks, right? Talk about bullying. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

"Abusive meat puppeting?" LOL. Ottava, you have no idea how out-of-line you are. So someone who shows up to defend another editor against your bullying and abusive behavior is a "meat puppet"? The honorable thing for any administrator to do when seeing bullying going on is to take a stand against it, which is what I am doing. Antandrus (talk) 20:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree that Ottava has been engaging in this shrill bullying for too long. When we see this combined with his aggressive insistence on preposterous claims it is cleaer he has become disruptive. Paul B (talk) 14:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Paul, when you claim that a person who has no background in Oscar Wilde and with no publications on the individual can some how be a "reliable source" for his sexuality without using any references, then your statement lacks all merit. Your pushing the issue here is the very definition of disruptive. I welcome an RfC because there are people like you that have no business in any kind of decision making process of determining what a reliable source is because you are patently making things up. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

The person in question does not need to be absolute specialist specifically in Wilde, a subject about which you appear to know next to nothing by the way. He needs to be an expert in the mores of the era and to have a good knowledge of Wilde. That is what he has. You don't know the meaning of disruptive. Paul B (talk) 23:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "I entered into the discussion on the quality of the source in good faith" And once evidence was provided that he was not an expert on Oscar Wilde, you should have immediately retracted your claims. You failed to do so. That is when your "good faith" turned into outright disruption. You still claim as if your promotion of the source is some how appropriate when reality is clearly against you along with our policies. That is the very definition of a "troll", and if you perform such actions on a noticeboard then you are damaging Misplaced Pages. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

By the way, your claim that I am "angry with you" is preposterous. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• This is definitely pertinent to the above discussion. By the way, Itsmejudith, I sent an email off to the ArbCom mailing list because of your history with Antandarus and others that are involved in the Persian Empire dispute. There is a lot of evidence of retaliatory practices going on. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment Hello Itsmejudith, in regards to your comment; feel free to approach the RfC. If you don't want Ottava Rima posting anymore discussions on your talk page simply approach the use and ask to stop. If that doesn't help the problem, simply revert the edits as a personal attack and a block will be issued. Thanks and happy editing! --A3RO (mailbox) 19:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

A3R0, you do realize that claiming a simple post is a personal attack is a personal attack per NPA, and if you do go ahead with the threat, you are in direct violation of our admin policies? Please, if you are going to be outright corrupt and ignore our policies, have the decency to not be so blatant about it. I suggest you strike your claims now. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Ottava, please observe the First Rule of Holes: when in a hole, stop digging. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 20:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

He doesn't seem to understand the policies of Misplaced Pages himself; considoring policies don't cover everthing. His disrespect will only end up causing him more distress than the people he's directing to. Please proceed with WP:RfC, the need is legite. Thanks.--A3RO (mailbox) 21:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

A3R0, you stated above for her to make up a concern so you can block. That is pure corruption. For your information, ArbCom has had emails with diffs and other pertinent information sent to them about the meat puppetry disruption that Antandrus has been operating in for over a year. You want to protect them while making such blatantly inappropriate comments about blocking, please, be my guest. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect, being ask to stay off someone's talk page is a legitimite request and if that request is not followed then that user can be baned or even blocked. Simple as that. Itsmejudith, per the section on the WP:RfC, I suggest you now move this issue to WP:ANI for further view.--A3RO (mailbox) 22:55, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Antandrus, you have already gone way too far and ArbCom has more than enough information to verify that your behavior is completely unacceptable. Misplaced Pages is not some game that you can bully and meat puppet to dodge policies. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Nonsense. I challenge you to produce anything. Anything. You have nothing on me but empty threats. Empty, Ottava, empty, hollow, meaningless, and utterly inappropriate. You are out of line and if you had any sense, decency, or shame you would realize it. Antandrus (talk) 00:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

If you think that, please submit an email to ArbCom and see if any of them will send you any of the information that I have sent them. I have sent some stuff directly to the list and other stuff to various Arbitrators to be passed onto others. I have talked to 8 of the members directly about various aspects of the issue and over a years worth of such tag teaming and domination of both Fringe and RS noticeboards that, more often than not, promote policy violation while bullying anyone who disagrees. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear, someone has dared to contradict Ottava Rima. Call the cops! The culprit must be blocked, banned and/or desysopped right away to save Misplaced Pages from such appalling "disruption." What's worse, several people have dared to contradict Ottava Rima. It can only be an evil conspiracy to destroy Misplaced Pages. It can't possibly be because Ottava Rima is wrong on a point of fact. The only solution is to conduct an off-wiki campaign against this cabal to prevent them using such unfair weapons as "evidence", "common sense" and the "bleeding obvious" to defend themselves. --Folantin (talk) 08:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

It is ironic that Folantin claims that her group is using evidence, common sense, and the rest, while they are currently claiming that an author who has no publications on Oscar Wilde is able to declare him as a pederast even though the biographers do not. You'd think she would actually look at the conversation at hand before blindly jumping to defend her friend in a belligerent way that contradicts many of our policies. It is nice to know that your standards for "expert" are now non-existent and that you have utter contempt for encyclopedic standards. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

It's news to me that I'm female too. --Folantin (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

If you would care to make your gender official, it would help establish which pronoun is proper. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I've told you several times I'm male. This just confirms my suspicions that your comprehension skills are not of the highest. --Folantin (talk) 15:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Quite to the contrary - you've questioned me multiple times on why I thought you were -female-. You never said one way or another, and you were asked directly at least twice. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I think even you could understand this statement . If you can't then here it is again: I'm male, not female. Got it now? --Folantin (talk) 15:26, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I got it, sir. Excuse the unintentional reference. :D Ottava Rima (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Just wow! Itsmejudith (talk) 17:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Meaning: how quickly things can get into Alice in Wonderland territory. I'm calling a halt to this discussion on my talk page and will remove further comments under this head. Me, I'm off to check whether I ever edited on the Persian Empire page. Itsmejudith (talk) 19:41, 24 September 2009 (UTC) I didn't! Nor did Ottava Rima. Or Antandrus. Curiouser and curiouser... Itsmejudith (talk) 19:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

ANI

Hi, Itsmejudith, of course Ottava Rima's behavior is unacceptable. But I doubt that the ANI thread will result in anything useful--that's a place for fomenting drama, not solving it. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

ANI is a complete waste of time, except for those users who are here to treat Misplaced Pages as a soap opera. By now you would have expected at least one admin there to have picked up on Ottava Rima's somewhat cavalier attitude towards this section of WP:TALK: "Do not threaten people: For example, threatening people with 'admins you know' or having them banned for disagreeing with you." Apparently, you are part of my cabal of "meat puppets" and we're all involved in some dark plot to destroy the 'Pedia. Pleased to meet you. Are you a member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Georgia (country) by any chance? According to Ottava this is the motivation for my "agenda-pushing" on Persian Empire . I'm not sure what Ottava means by my "history of user page proclamations of blatant POV". Maybe he was referring to my old user-boxes . Um, yes. --Folantin (talk) 09:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

(NB: I've posted the above simply to give you a bit of background info. I have no idea what this "conspiracy" is supposed to be either. You can wipe my post if you want to avoid the possibility of another "Alice in Wonderland" argument breaking out on your talk page. Cheers.) --Folantin (talk) 11:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom

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