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No problem. I noticed that you are incorrectly marking all your comments as "minor". You can fix that at the "Editing" tab at "my preferences", which is at the top of each page when signed in. Also, make sure to sign your comment with four tildes, which you can easily do by clicking on the 10th tab to the left of the tabs that open at the top of the page when you are editing. Things can get a bit complicated here, but you'll get a hang of it. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Brewercrewer is correct ... you are marking virtually all your edits as minor, when many are not minor at all -- such as recent changes to the Steven Emerson entry for example. Please do not mark such edits as minor, it is confusing to other editors. Regards.PelleSmith (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

That seems to be the default position at wiki. I forget to uncheck that box but I try to add a summary to the edit. Is there some way to uncheck the minor edit box and use it as the default position? Thanks. Stellarkid (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Read this for more on "minor edits". Go to "My preferences" then to "edit" and unclick the box that says "mark all edits minor by default". That box should not have been clicked by default so I'm not sure why yours is. If that doesn't solve the problem you're going to have to ask someone more knowledgeable for help.PelleSmith (talk) 21:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks PelleSmith, I think that will do it. Appreciate your help.  :)

"Pro-Israel lobby"

In the CAIR entry you changed "Israel lobby ..." to "Pro-Israel lobby ..." stating that the article uses pro-Israel, WP uses pro-Israel. That is incorrect. WP uses "Israel lobby" and the other term redirects there. I note that a fringe POV attempted to change the other article title recently. Please do not bring that mess over to other entries. The current usage is common usage. Also regarding "co-conspirator" in fact most dictionaries have now moved to remove the hyphen. I agree that the hyphenated term may still be used more often in the popular press, etc. but I was simply reflecting the CSM usage since the phrase was in quotation marks.PelleSmith (talk) 14:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the NYT usage of "Pro-Israel lobby", your own opinion based upon a handful of sources doesn't matter. Misplaced Pages clearly uses "Israel lobby." Regarding your statement about redirects and disambiguation I'm not sure what you are talking about. Pro-Israel lobby redirects to Israel lobby which is a disambiguation page. Pro-Israel lobby in the United States (which is what we are linking as you know) redirects to Israel lobby in the United States. Are you still confused? I'm having a hard time believing you did not already know this.PelleSmith (talk) 14:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, yesterday the pro-Israel lobby went directly to the Israel lobby in the United States whereas today both go to a disambiguate page. Someone has apparently changed it since then. Either way, the article should say "pro-Israel" since that is what the quote says. Then you can do the disambiguation in-line, if you know what exactly it was that was meant by the speaker. Stellarkid (talk) 15:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Wrong again. The redirect I mention has been in place since 2006. Please see the history of pro-Israel lobby. You can link directly to it here. Are you actually confused or simply making things up? "Pro-Israel" used as an adjective is not the same as "pro-Israel lobby", besides which neither is to the point since it is not part of a quote. Accurate usage remains "Israel lobby".PelleSmith (talk) 15:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

No response?PelleSmith (talk) 15:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I have made my case and won't argue for the sake of argumentation. Stellarkid (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Noted. Since you have professed no confusion I'll have to assume you simply made up your story about the redirect. Regards.PelleSmith (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

As your assumption of good faith (or lack thereof) is noted here. Stellarkid (talk) 19:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I think I assumed plenty of good faith. Had you said something like ... "oh I must have messed up ... clearly the pro entries redirect to the 'Israel lobby' entries" then my initial assumption would have been justified'. Since you chose instead to oddly stand by what is clearly an untruth about these redirect you lose my good faith assumptions. That's only fair. WP:AGF is not a protection blanket for those editing without good faith. I'm still open to a change of mind should you change your approach. Regards.PelleSmith (talk) 20:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but I said what I believed to be the truth, and may have been mistaken, but to accuse me of lying -- not to mention other accusations implying I have been editing at other sites under false pretenses etc etc -- is over the top for me. I am not interested in any kind of "protection." The original article used the expression "pro-Israel lobby" and you have edited it out in favor of what you claim is a wiki policy. I will not revert your change on the CAIR page, even though I disagree with it. I did check out the Israel lobby page and noted that there was barely a consensus for maintaining it one way or the other (pro- or not), so apparently it stands as it was. That is a very thin "policy", but I will not argue any more for this as there is plenty to do on wiki without getting embroiled in such pettiness. Please do not engage me any more on this. Stellarkid (talk) 20:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

"Other accusations implying that have been editing at other sites under false pretenses"? What on earth are you talking about? By the way there is nothing thin about WP:NAME. I suggest reading it.PelleSmith (talk) 20:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The implication (and lack of good faith) was here: "I note that a fringe POV attempted to change the other article title recently. Please do not bring that mess over to other entries." To the other issue, I respectfully ask that you honor my request and do not engage me on it. I made my argument, consider that you have had the last word. Stellarkid (talk) 20:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

That quote does not make any claims about you editing anywhere "under false pretenses". I merely noted that there was a recent controversial page move made by a specific POV, against our naming conventions. It was properly changed back. The CAIR entry is not a place to make similar controversial moves. Nothing to do with you editing under false pretenses. Regards.PelleSmith (talk) 22:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

POV tag

Please leave a rationale for the tag on the talk page. Create a new section and explain why you put the tag up.PelleSmith (talk) 11:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

1948 Palestine War

I would like to ask you how you would refer to the period covering both the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine and the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Because that time period is what the list is covering. nableezy - 02:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

How I would refer to it is unimportant. The question would be how most historians would refer to it. Some historians call it the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.... some the 1947-'48 Arab-Israeli war... and more refer to it as the First Arab-Israeli war. Some refer to it as the 1948 Palestine war. Most historians consider those six months to be the lead-up to the war, a stage of it, a first wave. Regarding the list, it is way too long, too vague, nowhere near explicit enough. It's a total rip-off from Khalidi's book. Stellarkid (talk) 02:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009

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That's a giant load. Stellarkid (talk) 15:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

gaza massacre

I am asking you to self-revert that change. Yes consensus can change but it has not yet and we have an open RfC to try to find what consensus is. Edit-warring over this is not wise. Please self-revert the change. nableezy - 03:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)