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Welcome to Misplaced Pages, Urban XII! I am Marek69 and have been editing Misplaced Pages for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Misplaced Pages! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Marek.69 13:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Article for deletion

Hi Urban XII, welcome to Misplaced Pages!

I see you are a new user and I was wondering if I could ask you something. You recently nominated the article Boris Malagurski (which I have contributed to as I am a sincere fan of his latest film Kosovo: Can You Imagine?) for deletion and have not taken into consideration that not only does this article have far more references than the average article dealing with this area of interest, but the sources include some fairly high-profile ones, such as a state Ministry, National television, radio, newspapers, and many other media sources. Due to all this, it is very likely that the article won't be deleted, but I just wanted to better understand your motivation behind your actions, since I saw you were active on articles dealing with the Pope and the EU, which have nothing to do with this filmmaker. So, if you could let me know your thoughts, I would greatly appreciate it.

Also, if you need any help with anything on Misplaced Pages, feel free to drop me a line :)

All the best,

--Cinéma C 01:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, now it seems to be you're here to push an agenda. Your recent edits to Boris Malagurski have had a clear POV pushing attitude. This is why I am now asking you to stop and respect the five pillars of Misplaced Pages:

	Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia incorporating elements of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers. Content should be verified with citations to reliable sources. Our editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong here. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox, an advertising platform, a vanity press, an experiment in anarchy or democracy, an indiscriminate collection of information, or a web directory. It is not a newspaper or a collection of source documents: that kind of content should be contributed instead to the Wikimedia sister projects.
	Misplaced Pages has a neutral point of view, which means we strive for articles that advocate no single point of view. Sometimes this requires representing multiple points of view, presenting each point of view accurately, providing context for any given point of view, and presenting no one point of view as "the truth" or "the best view". It means citing verifiable, authoritative sources whenever possible, especially on controversial topics. When a conflict arises regarding neutrality, declare a cool-down period and tag the article as disputed, hammer out details on the talk page, and follow dispute resolution.
	Misplaced Pages is free content that anyone can edit and distribute. Respect copyright law. Since all your contributions are freely licensed to the public, no editor owns any article: all your contributions can and will be mercilessly edited and redistributed.
	Misplaced Pages has a code of conduct: Respect your fellow Wikipedians, even when you disagree. Be civil. Avoid conflicts of interest, personal attacks, and generalizations. Find consensus, avoid edit wars, follow the three-revert rule, and remember that there are 6,933,330 articles on the English Misplaced Pages to work on and discuss. Act in good faith, never disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point, and assume good faith on the part of others. Be open and welcoming.
	Misplaced Pages does not have firm rules besides the five general principles presented here. Be bold in updating articles and don't worry about making mistakes. Your efforts don't need to be perfect: prior versions are saved by default, so no damage you might do is irreparable.

Also, it would be nice if you replied to my posts on your talk page, Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project. I was doing my best to resolve the problem in a polite and civil way, so I would appreciate the same from you. Thanks, --Cinéma C 18:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Grow up, Boris. Urban XII (talk) 19:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Roman Polanski article

You could add the original court transcript to the external links. I guess there would be no objection to that.The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 01:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

PS: Have a good night, Mr. or Mrs. "Rubbish".--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 01:12, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gefängnis Zürich

The article Gefängnis Zürich has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Stub about a non-notable building. I can find no sources that discuss the actual building, its function, its history, its architecture; its only claim to fame seems to be that Polanski is in it. That is not enough, and buildings such as these do not have inherent notability, as far as I know.

While all contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Drmies (talk) 18:57, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Laurence J. Rittenband

Assuming from your edit history that you understand German, here is an interesting source I found. It sure is not at all a reliable one but might be helpful in finding more information as it is based on other (reliable) sources. I think it would be worth to find, screen and confirm or debunk those. I would do so by myself but I don't think I will have the time to do so soon. Take it or leave it.The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 19:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Gefängnis Zürich

I have nominated Gefängnis Zürich, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gefängnis Zürich. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Drmies (talk) 19:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Swiss TV query re Polanski

Hello,

I am a journalist for Swiss National Television preparing a report on the fact Roman Polanski's wikipedia page was frozen over an "editing war". I would like to interview you by webcam about your opinion on this and the whole case. My deadline is urgent: i would need to have your contribution by Thursday morning 10 am Swiss time.

If you are open to this, could you please email me at the following addresses:

laurent.burkhalter@tsr.ch and laurent_burkhalter@yahoo.com

or call me, if you are in the US: 011 41 79 570 37 17 or elswhere at ++41 79 570 37 17 thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burkhala (talk • contribs) 12:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Burkhala (talk) 12:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

No thanks. Urban XII (talk) 13:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for dispute resolution

There was no reason for you to remove my contribution to Talk:Roman Polanski. Rather than start a war over this, I suggest we discuss dispute resolution. Physchim62 (talk) 13:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The use of the template:vandal when referring to another user constitutes a personal attack and is in violation of the Misplaced Pages:No personal attack policy. Besides, your comment was a straw man, you responded to the comment by another editor who said something about censorship. I didn't say that. Urban XII (talk) 13:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Pirate party

Please stop your one-man crusade to include the pirate party in the page for the German federal election, 2009. You have now been reverted by six or seven different people. Nobody supports your position. KarlFrei (talk) 08:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Roman Polanski

Wrong There is no such consensus to be found on the talk page, quite to the contrary. Please self-revert, as this edit is in violation of WP:BLP policy. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 13:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Forget it, I'm going to defend the consensus version. Your edits are not supported by the BLP policy. Urban XII (talk) 13:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:BLP: This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons on other pages. The burden of evidence for any edit on Misplaced Pages rests with the person who adds or restores material, and this is especially true for material regarding living persons. Therefore, an editor should be able to demonstrate that such material complies with all Misplaced Pages content policies and guidelines. Your edit was in clear violation of BLP policy. I'll await your self-reversion, or your evidence on the talk page. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 13:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

It has been pointed out to you by multiple editors on the talk page that the BLP policy does not apply in this case (i.e. the removal of the description of Polanski's crime) for a number of reasons. We've been through this already, the information is supported by numerous sources and has been thoroughly discussed at the talk page. The wording has been uncontested for a long time until you started your arbitrary actions. Urban XII (talk) 13:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Wrong on all counts. No one has answered to the application of BLP 4.2 to the victim. There have only been straw man arguments that suggest I meant Polanski was "the victim". The information is supported by one source, and the wording is and always has been anything but uncontested since its first inclusion. You may consider my actions arbitrary, but BLP policy leaves little room for doubt. Anything that is impeached under legitimate BLP concern must be thoroughly supported before being added back into the article. Please stop claiming a consensus where there clearly is none, and explain how the addition of this information is in compliance with BLP 4.2. Thank you for taking this up at the talk page. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 13:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I've addressed this issue several times on the talk page. For instance, I've pointed out: "Of course "primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives" doesn't apply at all in this case, Misplaced Pages is hardly the "primary vehicle" for making the world aware that Polanski is a child rapist. " BLP 4.2 does not apply in this case. Urban XII (talk) 13:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

You can repeat that all you want. It doesn't answer my question any more now than it did the first time you said it. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 14:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Warning 3RR

Please stop reverting on theFrédéric Mitterrand article, you are on the verge of a 3RR violation, please stop and take it to the talkpage,.Off2riorob (talk) 22:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Verbal chat 23:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

AN/I Discussion

Hello, Urban XII. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is request BLP related block. Thank you. - Bilby (talk) 11:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:WQA

Hello, Urban XII. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Verbal chat 16:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Linking

Hi, your last edit to polanski to link to justice ministry, there is already a link to the ministry in that paragraph, we only link to one such situation in each paragraph, would you remove it please. Off2riorob (talk) 20:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see the first link when I made the edit. Urban XII (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for removing it. Off2riorob (talk) 20:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

re: Your most recent edit of Polanski

Whu? I didn't add anything to the article, an editor removed copy, claiming that it was not supported by the reference, and I reverted because everything they deleted was stated plainly in the article. WookMuff (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, it all starts to look alike after a while. Please ignore this :) WookMuff (talk) 01:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I was just about to explain that I removed a paragraph added previously by a different user when I had an edit conflict due to your last comment. No problem. Urban XII (talk) 01:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, somehow my brain interpreted the paragraph you removed as the paragraph containing the text I reverted. Sorry bout that. WookMuff (talk) 01:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

This?

Mitterrand's autobiography "The Bad Life"

Mitterrand's autobiography "The Bad Life" or "La mauvaise vie" the original French title was a best seller in 2005. In the book he details his "delight" whilst visiting the brothels of Bangkok. In the book he wrote, "I got into the habit of paying for boys ... The profusion of young, very attractive and immediately available boys put me in a state of desire I no longer needed to restrain or hide." At the time Mitterrand was applauded for his honesty, but since he publicly defended Roman Polanski when he was detained in Switzerland on an American request for extradition for having sex with a thirteen year old girl, he has had to defend his writings. On October 5th 2009 Marine Le Pen of the French National Front Party quoted sections of the autobiography on French television, accused him of having sex with underage boys and also of "sex tourism" and demanded Mitterrand resign his position as culture minister. Amongst others he was also criticised by the Socialist party spokesman Benoît Hamon, who stated: “As a minister of culture he has drawn attention to himself by defending a film maker and he has written a book where he said he took advantage of sexual tourism. To say the least, I find it shocking.” Some Conservatives supported Mitterrand, a close aide to Nicolas Sarkozy said the French President backed his Culture Minister and described the controversy around him as "pathetic." Mitterrand also insists the book isn't an autobiography, The publisher describes it as a "novel inspired by autobiography" and the BBC refers to it as "autobiographical novel" In his own defence Mitterand stated, "Each time I was with people who were my age, or who were five years younger — there wasn't the slightest ambiguity — and who were consenting," and that he uses the term "boys" loosely, both in his life and in the book, he also stated, "I condemn sexual tourism, which is a disgrace. I condemn paedophilia, which I have never in any way participated in."

Minor edits

In the future, please do not mark reverts or page moves as minor edits. These are not minor edits, and marking them as such is generally considered an abuse of the feature. The guide to using this feature can be read at WP:MINOR. Thank you. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 13:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, reverts are by default marked as minor when using the rollback tool. I don't consider this a big issue, I pointed out in the edit summary what I was doing anyway. Urban XII (talk) 16:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Rollback tool? You don't have rollbacker privileges, and these are not the edit summaries generated by the tool. These reverts were done manually using the (undo) button. Even if you did have rollbacker privileges, these reverts would have been considered abuse of that tool. It is intended to be used for reverting vandalism, not for edit warring in content disputes. I wasn't suggesting the "minor" issue was a big issue, but I don't understand your response. While reverting blatant vandalism is considered a minor edit, there is a bold, bright line separating page moves and content disputes from minor edits. Either you understand and agree with the policy, or you don't. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 12:34, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Changing the tiitle at the Mitterrand page

You have changed the title of the section without any discussion or consensus to do so, I suggest you revert it and take any issues you have to the talkpage. Off2riorob (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Also edits like this which is totally uncited is not correct.You should remove it or cite it, ta. Off2riorob (talk) 17:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

AFAIK, there has so far not been any consensus to use a particular title. I already stated my concern at the talk page that your proposed title is not an adequate description of the section, which largely deals with the 2009 controversy rather than the book itself. My edits regarding his studies and work experience, which I have translated from the French Misplaced Pages, are indeed correct. I suggest you behave in a more constructive way. Urban XII (talk) 17:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

The consensus was Walter Sobchak0 , Bilby , Don't get this , Robofish and Off2riorob agreeing to the proposed passage and only you disagreeing, although nearly all your objections were added to the passage anyway, before it was accepted as a consensus view by an administrator and added to the article. Please could you revert your against-consensus change and discuss it on the talk page first. Don't get this (talk) 20:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Herta Mueller

Please see my comments on the discussion page. First you deleted the reference to criticism of Mueller, then you deleted the critical opionions in the reference, saying that they were unreferenced. This is improper. Please be more careful. --Zeamays (talk) 02:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

See additional rebuttal. --Zeamays (talk) 02:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:HOUND

I refer you to ]. Please avoid this in the future. Feketekave (talk) 13:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

You are on the verge of a 3RR violation as well. Please avoid this by discussing matters in the talk page.

Incidentally, the fact that some figures were put out by the West German government in the late 1950s does not make them non-neutral or currently defensible, given later studies by mostly German scholars. Feketekave (talk) 14:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

1. Frédéric Mitterrand admitted to paying for sex with 'young boys’ in Thailand, The Daily Telegraph, 07 Oct 2009
2. Culture Minister Frédéric Mitterand fights to save job in rent boy row, The Times, 07 Oct 2009
3. "Mitterrand: A Friend to Polanski — and Young Boys?\publisher=Time online". Retrieved october 9th, 2009. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
4. "Bad Life' minister's colourful dynasty". Retrieved october 9th, 2009. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
5. "Sarkozy-backs-sex-tourism-minister". the telegraph. Retrieved October 9th, 2009. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
6. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ifFACNiw-99L6-aryygW8B9hrKJwD9B747180. Retrieved October 9th, 2009. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help); Unknown parameter |Publisher= ignored (|publisher= suggested) (help)
7. "French pol Mitterrand forced to clarify 'sex with boys' comments after he defends Roman Polanski". NYDailyNews.com. Retrieved October9th, 2009. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
8. "'Bad life' haunts Frederic Mitterrand". the australian news. Retrieved october9th, 2009. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)