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re: User:Anonimu

AA2 and other issues

This is in response to your warning/threat left on my talk page.

Considering

• 1) I was not notified of being mentioned in the incident concerning Abbatai, which I was unaware
  
• 2) Apparently leaving me in the dark was a way and means of pushing through to this warning without giving me any opportunity to explain myself or my actions, which consisted of 1 revert!!
  
• 3) In light of the urgency in which this was undertaken, certain individuals should have checked Abbatai's edits where they would have found his post on my talk page, accusing me of "adding Anti Turkish stuffs". Which apparently doesn't violate any rules of conduct on Misplaced Pages.

Conclusion: While spouting rules and regulations of Misplaced Pages, it would be prudent to practice what one preaches. Warnings, are indications of violations of conduct with a link showing such conduct to be unproductive. Threats, on the other hand, are actions taken AFTER the fact, involving NO warning(s) of any discussion(s) or being allowed a voice in said discussion(s).

Final: I don't know what the real issue was concerning that Arbitration. However, I find the proceedings quite cryptic when you dragged my name into this over 1 revert(which was subsequently reverted by Abbatai later), and yet I was not made aware of these proceedings until your threat of October 20th. I hope any further interaction with you will be of a more positive nature. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

There was no warning and no threat. To place a user on notice is to simply notify them that the arbitration decision concerned with the subject area they are editing includes a discretionary sanction remedy, and that they must bear that in mind when contributing. Your involvement—as brief as it was—with an incident that later involved one user having sanctioned placed upon their account does, I think, warrant what is in effect a simple notification. The red triangle warning sign that furnishes the notice template that I used in my comment on your talk page may have mislead you, so I will reiterate to ensure my point is made clear: I neither warned you, nor suggested (implicitly or otherwise) that your conduct was questionable. With that in mind, I am afraid I don't see where your complaint lies. AGK 17:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

My complaint? Your actions. You dragged my name into this Arbitration on October 14th, yet felt that my notification was redundant or unnecessary until the warning/threat of October 20th! Your lack of notification implies that I somehow knew of these proceedings, which in and of itself means implying I'm a sockpuppet. So yes, I question your actions.

Odd how my 1 simple revert garnered such attention. I'd suggest next time that, out of simple courtesy, if you drag someone's name into an arbitration that you notify the individual you include. As for discussing anything with Abbatai, I'd suggest you discuss the vandalism he posted on my talk page. Since that garnered such attention, like the other 8 times my page has been vandalized, that nothing was done. As such I will not be assuming good faith with that individual in any situation.

Oh, and as for AA2, I honestly could care less, but I'm sure someone feels better seeing my name on that list. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

My notification implies that you are a sock puppet? What nonsense! To repeat myself for the third occasion: to be placed on notice is not involving you at all in the arbitration proceedings to a great degree than you already were by editing the concerned subject area.

I'm sorry that you were not notified of the proceedings, but, to be quite fair to the editor who filed the complaint at AE, you were not a party to the situation. Your peripheral involvement simply attracted my attention. Perhaps some administrators would not have issued the notice, but I think most would have. I also think that, because you were involved in an incident that required administrator intervention, it was quite right that you were formally notified of the arbitration decision.

Regarding the edits to your talk page: Abbatai has just been banned from reverting without consensus for three months. I think that, in light of that, we can let earlier misbehaviour slide: something has now been done about his conduct. AGK 18:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Your advice to Brews ohare

AGK: please explain to me why entering a discussion of guidelines and their possible uses puts me in jeopardy of having your topic ban upgraded to something a lot less pleasant. I don't understand why general discussions of this nature should have any bearing whatsoever upon my situation, which in my mind has nothing to do with it all. Further, I do not see why such general conversations constitute getting yourself into bad situations. Aren't such conversations part and parcel of WP and its evolution? These do not seem to me "bad situations", but simple discussions of what can be done to improve openness to contributions without inviting craziness. Brews ohare (talk) 23:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)