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"Gaza Massacre"

I guess seeing the word "massacre" in boldface in the first line is what concerns me just a bit. It's a highly charged term, and do we really need that so prominently in the article? I'm not saying it is definitely a POV issue, however, I'm just raising the issue for discussion, preferably by previously uninvolved editors. I don't want anyone using my comment as justification for editing the article one way or another. I'm not an editor of the article and I don't intend to be. I would like to see more uninvolved editors there.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 20:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Me too. The biggest problem with these articles is that the partisan bickering is usually so filled with invective and so constant that no "uninvolved" person wants to become "involved". The next biggest problem is that the arguments used often not consistent. Too often editors employ the opposite sides of an argument on different pages, from silly things like saying "there is no consensus for the source to be called reliable so it cannot be used" and on another page saying "there is no consensus for the source to be called unreliable so it can be used" to arguments as seen on the talk page now saying that quotes from Hamas are unacceptable but usage by the Israeli Foreign Ministry is acceptable for the same issue, just different "side". nableezy - 20:47, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also the sheer volume of text on the talk page and archive thereof. This discourages participation. I skimmed the archives relating to the lead, and came away with the impression that nothing was resolved. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 14:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Yom Yerushalayim

International al-Quds Day => International Jerusalem Day? --Nsaum75 (talk) 05:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

The sources usually refer to it as "Quds Day". Look at the sources, and we arent using the transliteration of either the Persian or the Arabic for the entire name, the sources use the transliteration for the word for Jerusalem in their English name. But for the Israeli Jerusalem Day the sources, even Israeli sources, use the words Jerusalem Day as the English name. Therein lies the difference. Hell, our article even uses "Jerusalem Day" almost exclusively, only using Yom Yerushalayim as a transliteration of the Hebrew and not as an English name. There are certain events or holidays where the English name is the transliteration of the name in whatever language, such Yom Kippur or Eid ul-Fitr. But this is not one of those cases, and nobody has presented any evidence that it is despite evidence presented showing that it is not the case. I dont understand why people are just saying "It is the name" without making any attempt to support that statement. This shouldnt even be an issue, I cannot see how it would be. If somebody where to show that the most common English name for what in Arabic is عيد الفطر (Eid ul-Fitr) was actually "The Celebration of the Breaking of the Fast" I would say move that page. It does not make any sense why there is any resistance to this at all. nableezy - 05:12, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Gaza massacre

Marhaba Nableezy, You caught me just before bed. I came to take a look, but it's way too long :) I'll check it out tomorrow. --Fjmustak (talk) 06:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for reminding me! --Fjmustak (talk) 07:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals

There's only one reason for the redirect: Much of the information in the article is also in 1998 NBA Finals. Information about the ratings is in that article as well. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 19:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Archive bot

Well spotted and Thanks. I've now tried rolling back to before the bot's edit, copying someone else's archive instructions (with a different bot) and reinserting your post. We'll see what happens this time. Otherwise asking for help will be the next step. --Peter cohen (talk) 23:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hamas "Police"

Good to hear from you Nableezy. IDF identified them as combatants Not police. The issue is discussed at length in the "disputed casualties" section. Since the particular sentence that I edited was stating an IDF claim, it would be inaccurate to describe them as "police" in that context. Again, the subject of whether they were police or combatants is a subject of dispute and appropriately discussed in the disputed casualty section. I recall you using that very same logic with me on one of my early edits that you reverted and I accepted your reasoning and offered no challange to your reversion.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 02:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Traffic cops? and I suppose the RPGs these traffic cops were carrying were meant to deter dangerous "J walkers." Check out the below pasted link and after you scroll all the way down to the bottom, tell me what you think. Remember, we are Wikepedians first and everything else second. http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/hamas_e067.pdf --Jiujitsuguy (talk) 04:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we disagree here. Fundamentally, we're on the same page. You are correct that both sides have to be presented and that's why you've got the disputed casualty section where all parties, Palestinians, Israelis, Goldstone, Obama and even my mother-n-law can vent. I just had a problem with usage of the term "police" in this specific context since we were presenting the IDF position which lumps them all as combatants. The paragraph just above presents the Hamas/Palestinian version and classifies them as "police" and I'm ok with that. But under your logic, I should add some caveat stating that "Israel believes they were RPG-7 toting combatants." But I wouldn't do that because that section deals with the palestinian version. Therefore, the Israeli version should be left unmolested as well and the issue of whether they are police or combatants shold be addressed in the disputed casualty section where B"Tselem and the ICT can duke it out.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 04:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

What do you think of this? Following the sentence,

"The IDF report stated that at least 709 of the deaths were Hamas combatants or combatants belonging to militant organizations affiliated with Hamas,"

We add:

"Those considered by Hamas to be members of the Internal Security Forces, were included in the IDF figures."--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 04:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

ok I made a change that I think we both can live with. Let me know what you think--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 05:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Respect to you Nableezy. Thanks for the constructive dialogue.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 06:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there Nableezy. The reasons for attacks against civilian had been stated in the lead for a while undisturbed until anonunsigned went crazy with reverts. I could't even respond to him becuase his English was so poor I had no idea what he was talking about. He deleted Garlasco cordesman and kemp and these had been there for sometime and appropriate wording was established after much debate as you know. I respect your opinion and hope that you will restore those things that were reverted (galarsco, cordesman and kemp) by others for no apparent cause other than to shake things up. Mind you, I can reinsert these myself but I think it would carry more legitimacy coming from you.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 01:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI

--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

im sorry, but the number you have called is no longer in service. please hang up and try again. nableezy - 05:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

I am willing to accept the name you used, However - at 1948 many of those villages were a part of Israel(at the time), and this is according to the UN 181 Resolution. So, if you accept that part, then it's not Palestine but Israel & Palestine. If not, then i see no logical reason to accept the name that you are using..

and thanks,again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yossi.bitt (talk • contribs) 20:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

An article you commented on in the past is at AfD

I noticed that you commented in a past AfD discussion of the article Nicholas Beale. After being deleted then, it has been reposted and is now back at AfD again, so you might be interested in commenting again (but you are under no obligation to). Thank you, rʨanaɢ /_contribs 22:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

MTV EMAs 1994

I get it now: "Free Your Mind" is an award occasionally given at the MTV Europe Music Awards to organizations and individuals involved in social activism and social justice. "Free Your Mind" was an initiative that MTV began in the '90s to increase its viewers' awareness about different social issues around the world (AIDS, poverty, discrimination, etc.). At the EMAs, MTV Europe sometimes selects organizations (Amnesty International, Greenpeace, La Strada) or individuals (Bono, Aung San Suu Kyi, Anton Abele) who exemplify this commitment to combating these social issues to receive the Free Your Mind Award. Here's some more info about it: . Hope this clears things up! --Andresg770 (talk) 16:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Israeli settlements

Salaam Alechum. I have reverted your unilateral edits on the Jewish villages, town and cities. I plan on opening a WP dispute resolution to solve this difference of opinions. I hope that you will resist your urge to edit war and participate maturely in this. --Shuki (talk) 10:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Interesting wording. Is this one of those irregular verbs. "I participate maturely", "You edit war", "He is a POV-pusher"?--Peter cohen (talk) 11:02, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You mean you reverted my edits to the pages of Israeli settlements? nableezy - 13:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

No he means he participated maturely in dealing with your inability to resist your urge to edit war and POV push as evidenced by your prioritising the wording favoured by such notorious anti-Semites and Israel-haters as the United Nations, the United States and the European Union over that prefered such impartial commentators as Bibi Netanyahu, Avigdor Liebermann and Meir Kahane.--Peter cohen (talk) 20:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

See also WT:ISRAEL#Jewish homes, outposts, neighbourhoods, villages, towns, and cities. nableezy - 21:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Question

No. —Ynhockey 23:33, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The question was "are you open to recall?". The answer was expected. nableezy - 23:46, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Bukhary

Hi Nableezy, If you're talking about the Arabic for "The (reward of) deeds depend on intentions, and every person will get the reward according to what he intends. So, whoever migrated for Allah and His Apostle, then his migration will be for Allah and His Apostle, and whoever migrated for worldly benefits or for marrying a woman, then his migration will be for what he migrated for."

it would be:

إنما الأعمال بالنيات وإنما لكل امرئ مانوى فمن كانت هجرته إلى الله ورسوله فهجرته إلى الله ورسوله ومن كانت هجرته لدنيا يصيبها أو امرأة ينكحها فهجرته إلى ما هاجر إليه

That doesn't match what's written above the door whatsoever! Unfortunately, I couldn't make out everything, but it says something like "إن للعلم أزهرا... كسماء ما طاولتها سماء....." A Google search of "كسماء ما طاولتها سماء", which I'm pretty sure is correct, returned zero results! As for the other panels, it will take me a while to decipher them. I will give it a shot if I get a chance. Good luck! --Fjmustak (talk) 04:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Any updates on this? Do you still need me to try to decipher it? --Fjmustak (talk) 20:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

It's actually القصور الزاهرة --Fjmustak (talk) 21:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Quote

I copy and pasted straight from the page so i don't see the concern.Cptnono (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the problem. I copy and pasted it from the talk page as it was written. I am showing that I was willing to see administrative action.Cptnono (talk) 04:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

The overview is not about you so your clarification isn't required to judge my actions.Cptnono (talk) 04:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Would you help me

with separating Goldstone report into new entry? --Sceptic from Ashdod 15:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

sure. but it still needs to be covered in the intl law article and the main war article. nableezy - 16:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Turns out Jalapenos already created the article. I'll merge sections from Int_law into it. I'll leave a short summary. If you (or anyone) would feel that's not enough - you know we can discuss things. --Sceptic from Ashdod 18:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Bayt Nabala

Oops sorry about that. Ashley Kennedy mentioned it and I couldn't move the page... I've added a lot of coordinates today anyway to Safad and Ramla... Himalayan 20:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

all good, would have been better just to get the old deleted but no matter now. nableezy - 20:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Sleepy Goldstone

Hi Nab. You reverted the following

Private Israeli citizens did meet with Goldstone. However, Goldstone reportedly snoozed during the course of a viewing of a movie showing children fleeing from Hamas rocket fire and omitted the testimony of an Israeli woman disfigured by Hamas rockets.

I won't reinsert the text until I hear your reason for the revert. Respectfully,--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Would it make a difference to you if I used a source other than Arutz Sheva?--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Respectfully, I disagree but I won't fight you on this. Incidentally, I just want to add that we (all editors) were playing quite nicely in the sand box together until Mr unsigned Anon came along, reverting like a madman and tossing and mixing paragraphs and sentences as though this article was a salad. The edit wars began with him and unfortunately, protection status was instituted becuase of him and his inability to work with others. Just had to get that off my chest.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 04:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Nab, on the "Gaza Massacre" issue, what's wrong with just saying, "known to Hamas as the Gaza Massacre." Second, when protection status is lifted, I was thinking of adding a section on "Post War Military Assessment." What do you think of this idea? Respectfully,--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 04:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to mediate but it will have to wait till tomorrow.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 05:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I presented Stellar with some compromise language. I hope I can succeed in mediating this dispute between (what I consider) two outstanding editors.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 02:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

October 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Gaza War. Notthat the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. tedder (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

ok, i will stop edit warring. it is a bit difficult when a user repeatedly removes information that is reliably sourced. but i will try to abide by a 1rr on that page. nableezy - 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

but as a demonstration, here is every non minor edit Stellarkid has made to Gaza War

• completely removes "gaza massacre" with source
• completely removes with source
• exactly the same as below, though he thinks it is "another" attempt at a compromise instead of the same edit he made previously
• changes to "known as a 'massacre'" when every source calls it "the gaza massacre"
• completely removes
• other
• removes from lead and places in media as "a 'massacre'"
• completely removes
• completely removes
• other names he inserts using the exact opposite reasoning as he is using to remove gaza massacre

This has been in the lead for going on 10 months, 10 sources of Hamas officials using it as the name in both English and Arabic have been presented and 2 sources that explicitly say "known in the Arab world as the 'Gaza Massacre'" have been provided. Stellarkid's sole purpose at this article has been to edit war out a name that he does not like. Users have said that they accept that it has been used as a name but they want to remove it because it is "defamatory" to Israel. There has been a consistent push to eliminate a significant POV, which NPOV requires we include, by a set of editors. It is difficult to restrain myself to just allow that set of editors to continually remove something that they find personally objectionable. I find many things that are cited to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs objectionable, but I have not removed them, in fact I have put them in and reverted to keep them in. nableezy - 23:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Marc Garlasco and op-ed

Hi.

I wasn't if your comments at User:A Sniper's talk page were directed at him or me. Nonetheless, I did not have any intention of continuing to revert the material out, though I believe WP:BLP says that WP:3RR does not apply to questionable material. Have I been correct that you, as what appears to be a number of other editors, have expressed concerns with this source? My collection from reading talk is that several editors have expressed concerns with the material due to WP:UNDUE concerns, and that thus it should be removed in accordance with WP:BLP.

Thanks for the clarification, --69.208.137.88 (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

yes you are correct, but the message was directed at both of you. nableezy - 14:22, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what should be done with the constant reinsertion when there is a seeming consensus that the material doesn't belong. I've been trying to use the talk page and be descriptive in my edit summaries, and have also tried to refer to policy and the previous discussion on the noticeboard. I appreciate your civilly expressed concern and will try not to be gasoline for the fire though. Thanks,--69.208.137.88 (talk) 14:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

But It's more reliable than Wiki's.Ahmad2099 (talk) 23:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

i'm stepping in tentatively

You've done a really good job so far. The history of the Fatimid dynasty is one I don't know much about. But I'll do some more reading and see what I can understand, adding anything of value as it comes up. Its such an important article, but you should note hesitate to move it into mainspace even before its fully comprehensive - when you feel that it gives a good overview, a sketch to be filled out with others. I find sometimes pages can languish in user space, because there is a sense that there is no rush to improve it. I'm having that problem with User:Tiamut/Architecture which stalled some time ago. Its the bigness of the topic I think that is so daunting. So much history to cover. Rambling now ... happy editing Nableezy. Tiamut 19:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

The more I look at the article, the more I think it's very close to being ready to go up as a near comprehensive review of the subject. You should feel comfortable moving it into mainspace any day now. Arabic words should be added to the name section. I'd also like to add some referenced info on triliteral roots (probably in a footnote) to explain the name derivation better for those interested in linguistics. I'm so happy with the way its developed Nableezy. You should be very proud. Tiamut 00:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Nableezy. I can't make out much of the calligraphy or its meaning. Perhaps Fjmustak would know better. Tiamut 14:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

By the way, your suspicions about User:Lanternix seem to have been well-founded. He was blocked by User:YellowMonkey on October 19th for socking for a week. I noticed User:Millmoss was blocked as a User:NoCal100 account too by User:Nishkid. Strange though that there are no notifications on the users' talk pages for these things. I only noticed the latter after you struck his comments. The former, I noticed by accident, after reading someone else's talk page. All these sockpuppets. Ugh ... Tiamut 14:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your note. I had a good laugh. — ] (talk · contribs) 21:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI

Hello Nableezy, this is to let you know that I have filed a report concerning you at ArbCom. It can be accessed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nableezy . Stellarkid (talk) 06:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

1. Gedalyahu, “Behind the UN curtain: Goldstone napped during Film of Rockets,” IsraelNationalNews.com, 16 September 2009 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133450#
2. Lazaroff, “Ashkelon rocket victim livid report ignored her plight,” Jerusalem Post, 30 September 2009, http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1254163545960&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull