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Ladies and gentleman, for good humor, we have here a "NPOV Dispute Skeptic" this xxx editor has no place in a NPOV discussion, they do not meet the NPOV qualifications. By decree, they must edit elsewhere.

— Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 05:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC), The Article NPOV Commission

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Characterizing Uncertainty in Climate Assessment

Just wanted to let you know that Misplaced Pages cannot include copyrighted material. If you want to write a proper article you can do so, but verbatim copying isn't appropriate (or legal). Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 16:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:copyvio and WP:NPA. Vsmith (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I hear you, it was fair use, changed some and on the way to being better.Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 04:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Refactoring and removal

Re . Please learn to distinguish refactoring (which is somewhere between frowned upon and forbidden, for talk page comments) and removal (which is permitted) William M. Connolley (talk) 22:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Your point taken, thanks. My point was about fairness and . Got to break now. Be well. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 22:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

3RR warning

Your recent editing history at Scientific opinion on climate change shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

You get the warning because i can't see such a notification on your talk, and because you are at 3RR on sci op cc. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 07:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Cooling off ... from my attempts to defend a NPOV. If the POV-tag is being early reverted before talk, that is a valid indication the article has POV issues. Regards, Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 15:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

No, actually its an indication that you haven't been able to convince people that your viewpoint is correct. Tags are there to be used when you have actually identified issues on talk (which you still haven't imho), they are not to be used as leverage to getting your will. (as it appears as if you do). --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, it indicated a fierce defense to a POV. Unless you are in denial, the whole talk page is filed with a POV dispute. Get real. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 18:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Template:Z9

Admin Tedder corrupted the NPOV resolution process. The tag belongs in a state of on during a NPOV dispute. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 21:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm bemused about this whole "corruption" business. Here's the thing- either take it to WP:ANI or leave it alone. If you'd like to take it to ANI, and will not edit war with the {{npov}} tag on Scientific opinion on climate change‎, I'd be happy to unblock you personally. If, however, you intend on edit warring about the NPOV tag and disruptively screaming "corruption" on various inappropriate talk pages, the block should stand. tedder (talk) 21:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Tedder ... ANI need not be bothered now by a valid POV dispute which you are in denial of. The suggested resolution paths is to leave the POV-tag on, declare your WP:COI. I pray you seriously reconsider your actions. Good faith to NPOV will be looked upon favorably. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 22:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Zulu Papa. Just to clarify on the three-revert rule - it's beside the point as to whether the tag is justified or not. The point of the three-revert rule is to prevent edit-warring. If you believe that the tag belongs, and other editors disagree with you, the place to solve the problem is on the article's talk page. The three-revert rule exists to prevent edit-warring, it exists to force people to seek alternate means of dispute resolution. Blocks are appropriate if people continue to edit war. If you believe this block is improper, you need to address the issue of edit warring. Guettarda (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

ZuluPapa5 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

This 3RR block for my POV Tag addition is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption. It is the result of corruption in the NPOV resolution process with regards to Talk:Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change. I hold that a valid POV-dispute exists with many editors. There is suspected evidence tampering (i.e. talk page changes) of my edits and misrepresentations that unfairly harming me. Civil WP:COI declarations are begin gathered at this stage in the resolution, which are being prevented by this block. I first placed the tag it should be on during the dispute and I was misrepresented by the blocking admin. Blocking me is disrupting a fair NPOV resolution process in this article. I pray for its fair removal (or significant reduction) with guidance appreciated from experienced NPOV defending admins.

Decline reason:

You were blocked for edit warring, not for POV issues. Your unblock request seems to indicate you would edit war once again if the block was lifted. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I am at peace, although the article is dispute, the justice is in denial. Thanks for your comments Beeblebrox. Time off is doing me very well in exile. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 01:45, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The corrupt edit war, diff of users who changed POV tag with no talk, after Talk Page Warning , by admin who said not to change at all while when POV tag was off:

1. GoRight Added on - Disruption block by admin, appeal granted
2. WMC Removed off - no penalty for removing
3. ZP5 Added on - 3RR block by admin
4. Tedder Removed off - free and clear admin, no penalty for removing

Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 05:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• The GoRight POV tag on lived for 2:58
• The WMC POV Tag Removal lived for 1:58
• The ZP5 restore lived for 0:02

This trend was run in the article change model. The Article NPOV Commission preliminary predictions and external to article consensus is the article is "very likely" heading for a NPOV change. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 03:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

My Conflict of Interest statement for Scientific opinion on climate change declared

1. No interests with any subjects or sources in the article.
2. Never maintained a POV except that of NPOV for the article.
3. No denials of any relevant, notable and reliable sources for the article.
4. No claim to ownership for any of the article content.
5. No relationships with any of the other editors, except in wiki.
6. No claim to eternal or nihilistic and absurd arguments.
7. United States citizen and in spiritual solidarity.
8. As of December 2, 2009 only POV claimed is the questionable existence of hat notes that have no source support and the necessity of a controversies section to balance the article.

With whom are you in spiritual solidarity? I've never encountered the term before. --TS 03:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey Tony, aren't you a foreigner? That's a clear COI for any climate-related article. Rev. Willie Archangel (talk) 03:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Well ... no Mr name changer it is not. I had something nicer to say until the obvious disruption on my interpretation. (which will be removed, unless the ed would like to correct themselves.) It is my faith, I really appreciate you asking, I can not explain it here. The best I can offer you now is Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 04:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. After five years at Misplaced Pages I still run across surprises. --TS 05:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Faith, actually TS I am extremely glad you brought this up. Because I am very amused by folks that place faith in objects that have no true bearing in reality. I always ask myself, why do these object of the mind have such great power over people? They only can be objectified in the mind, for there is no valid subjective and measurable proof of their existence, except by what power but that of faith. The next question becomes what is the attributed and reliable sources of the individual's or organization faith? What intentional purpose does the faith serve? Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 05:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

A Question for You

I had posted this on my talk page while I was blocked but I didn't realize that you were also blocked. I am moving this here so you can respond:

Re: .

Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "corruption" in this statement and edit summary? I think you may be using it to mean one thing and others are taking it to mean another. This may be a simple misunderstanding based on the meaning you intend for the word. --GoRight (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure, let me make this most relevant to Misplaced Pages and minimize redundancy for high fidelity.

Corruption

1. impairment integrity of, virtue, or moral principle (i.e. violating WP:FIVE)
2. inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (i.e. WP:COI or worst)
3. a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct (i.e. WP:CIVIL feigned incomprehension and misinterpretations of semantics in commutation, re-factoring)
4. an organizational agency or influence that has unrealistic unanimous consent (i.e. WP:NPOV denial)

Corrupt

1. editing as if to degrade with unsound principles or moral values WP:NPOV
2. editing as if to subject (a user) to corruption or abuse WP:CABAL,WP:NPA
3. editing as if to alter from the original or correct form or version ]
4. editing as if to become tainted or rotten to other user WP:CIVIL
5. editing as if to become morally debased to WP:FIVE
6. editing as if to cause disintegration or ruin to articles WP:VANDAL WP:FORK

Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, in reading through these is it fair to summarize your use of the words "corrupt" and "corruption" as meaning that you don't feel that the principles and ideals of the encyclopedia (as described in the policies that you reference) are being adhered to by some of the other editors? --GoRight (talk) 22:15, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

A quick follow-up question, could you please elaborate on how it is you feel that Tedder has misrepresented you? Can you please point to a statement where he misrepresented you and why you feel it is a misrepresentation? Thanks. --GoRight (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll pile on- I've changed my reference to you; is that what you were offended by? If so, I'm sorry. If not, please explain in simple words, I'm obviously not getting it. tedder (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Apology acepted, thanks. I apologize for having to correct you. One thing, I suffered a 3RR block to my reputation however, I am finding the vacation agreeable. Can you help me here? Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

It started on the talk page when the admin, took my words out of context put my name next to his statements and made them out as if my intention was to have the tag off. My intention was to have the tag on, that's why I placed it On after considerable talk. When you (GoRight) shared that intention, then an objective dispute was underway. After that, the admin unjustly enforced his own policy with regard to the tag (as pointed out above and ... he had a Tag Off bias, while his previous Talk indicated he was just going to monitor things.) The Admin should not have touched the tag to keep his word. After that, there are the clear regard to wiki policy and the tag itself as you have adequately pointed out, which strongly support leaving it on for reasonable disputes. Frankly, while I may have crossed the 3RR bright line, the justice was off, which is a larger offense to me. Ever greater to wiki. What is ironic, is that eds are calling for content and source checks, while at the same time there is denial of a dispute, as stated all over the Talk Page. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Lessons learned about talk disruptor(s)

A NPOV taught by experienced talk disruptor(s)

1. Editors may claim you have no productive point and demand a point.
2. Editors may make unduly bold talk page assertions.
3. Editors may remove your talk (with or without notice) or obvious record.
4. Editors may misinterpret or transform your statements.
5. Editors may change the subject with no objective reason.
6. Editors may rudely interrupt a thread.
7. Editors may claim their disruption is justified by your obsession.
8. Editors may make mistakes of which the where not made properly aware. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 20:54, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Warning

It seems fairly clear to me that you have no productinve contribution at all to make at SOoCC. I'd have hoped that your recent block might have taught you a lesson; it would seem not. Please be aware of William M. Connolley (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Which lesson should I be taught? Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 18:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Some polite advice

I have noticed you sometimes address other editors as "Mr X Y". In many circles both this form of address and the title "Mr" is considered rude and antagonistic. Doing it to people using their real names who are clearly entitled (or claim to be entitled, if you must) to be addressed as "Dr" (probably more than 50% of WP editors on Global Warming for example) is not courteous and violates WP:CIVIL. It is much better and more civil to stick to an untitled name. --BozMo talk 17:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Mr. are Dr. too. Point taken. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 18:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC) Corrected it. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 00:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello ZuluPapa5

Hi ZuluPapa5, welcome to Misplaced Pages. It seems you've met some of the Global Warming editors already. I'm a GW editor as well, and yes, I am using my real name, and no, I don't have a Ph.D. I live in Sydney, Australia; I have an honours degree in history and philosophy of science, and I am somewhat skeptical of the IPCC & other government positions on climate change. My primary interest is the defence of living scientists who are often professionally smeared by Misplaced Pages (and, yes, generally by these same editors who have or claim to have Ph.Ds). I'd be happy to chat with you privately in order to help you understand some of the mysterious rules of Misplaced Pages that can help you contribute positively, and help bring change to the culture of Misplaced Pages (something which is badly, badly needed). Go to my talk page if you'd like help or send me an email, alexharv074 at gmail dot com if you'd prefer just to vent. Alex Harvey (talk) 04:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)