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| *'''Keep''' This is an issue outside the scope of the general Menorah article, being that it is 1. an event that is organised ''around'' the Menorah lighting, 2. extensively covered by media (so the claim by the nominator that it is not notable is fairly ridiculous, see e.g. , AP), and 3. part of a series about Chabad. ] (]) 14:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' This is an issue outside the scope of the general Menorah article, being that it is 1. an event that is organised ''around'' the Menorah lighting, 2. extensively covered by media (so the claim by the nominator that it is not notable is fairly ridiculous, see e.g. , AP), and 3. part of a series about Chabad. ] (]) 14:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
| * '''Merge''' into Chabad article on outreach, or part of the menorah article. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 16:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | * '''Merge''' into Chabad article on outreach, or part of the menorah article. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 16:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
| * '''Comment''' I've added a controversy section to the article, which proves that in the US, the constitutionality of displaying public menorahs was challenged by the ACLU, and it went to the Supreme Court. This surely proves the independent notability of this article. ] (]) 19:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I think this means we may close this Afd per ]. ] (]) 19:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
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While this is a very nice thing that people do, it is not notable. It seems to be a shill for Chabad sites. The sources cited are primary sources about the topic, not about coverage the topic has garnered. If it stays at all it should me a section under Menorah_(Hanukkah) Joe407 (talk) 05:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I find it odd that you think it's not notable. Did you bother doing a basic Google search? Google has 28,000 hits. The concept receives massive press coverage every year, and mainly from non Chabad sources, and keeps growing in popularity. Although Chabad has started this and are the main ones doing it today, it is extremely notable. Shlomke (talk) 15:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge any relevant content into Menorah. I don't see any evidence that a "public menorah" is anything but a menorah that happens to be displayed in public. This is the same reason we don't have Public Christmas tree. --Glenfarclas (talk) 11:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep: Come on, this article is still just a stub. Yet again people are zealously recommending articles for deletion before they've had a chance to be developed. Leave a "this article needs to be expanded" tag. As for its notability, a public menora is quite different from the regular Menora that each Jew traditionally lights in his house. Rather, it is a new practice spearheaded by the Lubavitcher Rebbe for the purposes of publicising the miracles of Chanuka and outreach to Jews and non-Jews. It has also garnered much public attention in the USA because of the religion and state controversies surrounding it being displayed publicly. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 14:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep for now: It could certainly use a section about the litigation in the USA. There should probably also be something about public menorot in Israel, where the practise is long-established, and probably a pic of the giant one on the Jerusalem-Tel-Aviv highway. If after a few months it seems that the article still belongs as a section of Menorah_(Hanukkah) then we can reopen the merge discussion. -- Zsero (talk) 14:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep This is an issue outside the scope of the general Menorah article, being that it is 1. an event that is organised around the Menorah lighting, 2. extensively covered by media (so the claim by the nominator that it is not notable is fairly ridiculous, see e.g. Emanuel lights National Menorah at White House, AP), and 3. part of a series about Chabad. Debresser (talk) 14:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge into Chabad article on outreach, or part of the menorah article. Yossiea 16:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I've added a controversy section to the article, which proves that in the US, the constitutionality of displaying public menorahs was challenged by the ACLU, and it went to the Supreme Court. This surely proves the independent notability of this article. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 19:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I think this means we may close this Afd per WP:SNOW. Debresser (talk) 19:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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