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I'm quite busy in real life at times. If you have an important message for me and I don't get back to you here, try leaving me an email. PCHS-NJROTC 20:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Archives

• Archive 1 (newbie)
• Archive 2 (archive of User talk: 71.3.210.131)
• Archive 3 (archive of Mmbabies Abuse Report)
• Archive 4 (01/2008 - 03/2008)
• Archive 5 (03/2008 - 08/2008)
• Archive 6 (08/2008 - 11/2009)

Neutrality tag in Fsck

Hi, you have putted a neutrality tag in the Fsck article that I think is no longer necessary. Please check out this article to see if it is still useful. You can also see the Talk:Fsck to see the reasons why you had put it. Cheers. --Felipebm (talk) 12:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:69.171.160.58

I blocked this "person," and I removed their extremely offensive response to your post there. I read it, blocked the "editor," had some dinner and thought about it, and decided I also had to remove the hate speech. Done. Regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 02:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Reverting user talk pages

Hello and good morning. I just wanted to let you know that this revert is controversial. Users are allowed to remove warnings from their talk pages and the revert tool should only be used for clear vandalism. Please refrain from reverting user talk pages when the user has removed content on their own page. Warnings can be seen in the revision history of their page so it is not neccessary that it be visible. Anyway, good luck with your speedy tagging, see ya around.--TParis00ap (talk) 13:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Good luck, bro...

That little dingaling has been a serious pain for a long time. I went ahead and blocked the IPs for three months, including the school IP. Please let me know how it goes with the IP report. I can think of at least one serial vandal who needs a "come to Jesus" moment from his IP. Good luck and thanks for the kind words. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank's, although the school IP is a district wide IP being used by thousands of users and zero visits to WP since the district has WP blocked in the web filters. That means we can't even read it anymore thanks to the trolls. Yeah, thank's bro for dealing with her; now all that's left is for me to write to her ISP; I already got her banned from CenturyLink (used to be Embarq), I guess she can have fun finding ways to vandalize when she's banned from the two broadband providers and can't get on WP from school. :P PCHS-NJROTC 00:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

• People like her make me glad my high school days are 30 years behind me.  :) You are truly one of the good ones who make this site work so well in the face of boneheads. Thanks for the Barnstar, btw! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome; and did you get my message about the troll's new IP? These aren't people I know; they're just people I discovered when I started editing here, and they've been vandalizing longer than I've been editing it appears. PCHS-NJROTC 00:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I see you blocked the IP, thanks. Thanks for the compliments btw. :] PCHS-NJROTC 00:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Just got your message a few minutes ago. Sadly, our airhead cheerleader has been here for quite awhile. She has her own entry on the long-term abuse page. PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know; I wrote it a year ago. She's been sleeping, and now she's got a straw in her... well, and she's vandalizing again. She ought to be locked up; this is unexcusable. What's scary is that Cricket isn't even in Florida, so one must wonder how the heck she's using it. PCHS-NJROTC 00:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I take it back that I don't know these vandals; she once mention the name Sam Lindsay, and if it's her, I'd absolutely love to see her locked up. PCHS-NJROTC 00:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

When guys get crazy, it's one thing. Crazy girls are an entirely different story. If you can bring it up with the principal on Monday, perhaps you should. PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Might as well do it now; I don't go to Lemon Bay or Charlotte High, so if I tell them it would be through email. I don't think the Cricket Communications user is a current student though, and perhaps not even an alumni; I'm thinking that it's someone in another state that's just picked up on this whole meatpuppetry thing. It's clearly meatpuppetry as there's a rainbow of IPs and trolling styles I've seen associated with LBHS Cheerleader. It's not just LBHS either; my GF knows all about this as she's forwarded me some bulletons on Myspace posted by some of her friends saying "Misplaced Pages hates us, we need to teach them a lesson" and crap, and I think she's taken them out of her friends list; she did not participate beyond writing a comment "wow, aren't you mature." The district has already told the staff at the different schools about it, and they've also blocked Misplaced Pages district wide. One of them from our arch rival school, Charlotte HS in Punta Gorda, wrote "This is what you get for getting us kicked off the internet yesterday" on the Monopoly article (really wise move isn't it; that's right up there with writing "the IT&S people suck" which is the quickest way to get permabanned from the network). PCHS-NJROTC 02:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

That is truly disheartening. This is such a marvelous resource and a bunch of knuckleheaded teens manage to get a district-wide ban imposed on it. Damn. The meatpuppet/copycat thing doesn't surpise me; there are certainly precidents and two particular ones come to mind. If you do decide to bring this latest nonsense to light at the school, I wish you luck. Please keep me posted because there are few things which bug me quite as much as offsite-coordinated vandalism. Thanks again for all your good work. PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I think a solution would be for someone to inform the IT&S about indefinate soft blocks that should keep the vandals from using the school district network for their nonsense without the need to block the site entirely. I had asked the ITS a couple years ago and they indicated that it was because of abuse, and they said it was because of "rules they have to follow" I think what happened is that a bunch of people complained to the local telecom about it thinking they would just forward their complaints, but the company probably said that something had to be done to put a stop to the abuse or they'd cut the service. They didn't specifically say it was because of vandalism, but that part's pretty obvious considering that we're the only district in the state blocking the site; not even Hospital Corporation of America with all of their IT&S web filters and monitoring required by HIPAA blocks out Misplaced Pages. I'd personally rather see it be a soft block than a hard block (even though if and when I get through an RfA I'd still be able to edit through a hard block as an admin), but I guess that's the district's decision; anything would be better than a total block on the site. PCHS-NJROTC 03:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks like this particular IP is out of New Jersey...wrong end of I-95.  :) I for one strongly believe you'd make a fine administrator and it's been eons since I've nominated anyone. I just may do so next week since I still don't have internet access at my new house. Hope to have it then. I'm editing here at work between lulls in the action, which makes it really difficult to sit down and write some new content. PMDrive1061 (talk) 03:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that would be great since next week we're only in school for two days due to Thanksgiving. PCHS-NJROTC 03:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Banned user edits

I tend to delete any and all edits from banned users, even if they're good. To me, banned is banned. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Seconded; it's coming off. I'm in the process of filing an abuse report on User:68.52.42.38 PCHS-NJROTC 01:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Not to worry; I already reverted to the last edit prior to the meatpuppet's.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

You missed some that she posted as an IP (tricky vandal). PCHS-NJROTC 01:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Abuse reports/208.66.198.220

Not sure if there is still anything going on here, but they've been blocked again. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Realistically, nothings happening with it being a month ago unless they've already been caught without us having to bring it to their attention. PCHS-NJROTC 19:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Question

I have been looking at some of the abuse reports and it seems that rarely, if ever, does an ISP actually do something about Misplaced Pages vandals. And personally, I don't blame them. If I were running a company, the last thing I would want to do is alienate a paying customer who also might have influence over friends/relatives (especially for something as silly as vandalizing Misplaced Pages). I would just tell you guys to block him and be done with it. My question is, then, why do you keep filing these reports? Maybe you get results by contacting schools, but contacting personal ISPs like Comcast or Time Warner is probably just a big waste of time. Don't you agree? Thanks. Keegscee (talk) 21:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

They do all the time, but if someone that doesn't know what they're doing goes off and sends it incorrectly, they're not going to waste their time trying to figure out what they're talking about. Most ISPs are corporations with numerous departments; the people working the abuse desks don't care about losing a paying customer, they care about their jobs. Customers are numbers to them, and Misplaced Pages vandals increase the number of people that are being kicked off, therefore increasing the need for them. Centurylink, for example, absolutely cares; I'm pretty sure the an abuse report to the company (then Embarq) was probably the reason this site is blocked at Charlotte County Public Schools, although it wasn't an official report through WP:ABUSE. User:LBHS Cheerleader was also dealt with through abuse reports, and she disappeared for an entire year after being reported. BT took action against someone I reported related to Grawp. User:Mmbabies was taken down through an uncommon abuse report; complaining to the Better Business Bureau took care of him/her even though AT&T wouldn't do anything. Someone once asked me help them dealing with Comcast when they received a personal response because their abuse report was not submitted properly, and I did. Once I sent an abuse report to Road Runner, but although it was processed, they responded that they couldn't do anything because it was too stale (the abuse had not occured for a month as the IP was then blocked), but the dedicated vandal who had previously returned 6 month blocks stopped after that, so I have to wonder if they took action anyway. Furthermore, I've independantly notified abuse desks about "cheerleader vandals" and I think they've taken action. So far, I think I've found Centurylink, Comcast, Road Runner, Cox (I think Cox usually issues warnings though instead of suspensions), Verizon, Level 3 Communications, Shasta Communications, and even AT&T despite their notorious lack of response. ISPs don't want their name to be tarnished due to their lack of response to abuse reports in favor of a hand full of pinheads either. ISPs are usually show more mercy to schools and businesses because they usually have much more expensive plans (once again, corporations don't really care anyway), and they understand that there will always be that ten percent using the shared IPs for malicious purposes, and that explains why sometimes it appears that they didn't take action; in reality the ISPs will usually pass the complaints on to the orgs and inform them that the actions violate their Acceptable Use Policy, and don't think ISPs haven't ever suspended schools or businesses who have been repeat sources of trouble. Such orgs are required to have an abuse plan. It's not because corps care, it's because the people who create their policies care. Households, however, are a dime a dozen and they are shown much less mercy. If ISPs didn't want to do anything about abuse, why would they pay people specifically to get rid of abusers? In addition, why do people always talk about schools but never employers? Schools are not the only organizations who care about abuse. PCHS-NJROTC 23:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for launching that investigation into my user page. I really appreciate it. May I suggest that next time you mind your own business? Thanks. Keegscee (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I was just being bold which is encouraged to every user as soon as someone notices them and leaves them a welcome. I usually don't mess with people's user pages, but before I even saw what wiki you suggested people vandalize, the first thought that crossed my mind when reading your user page was "you've got to be kidding me, and this guy is asking me about abuse reports." For what it's worth, the site could have been a bunch of liberals making fun of conservatives and I still would have brought it to the attention of the admins; we are not 4chan, and we do not ask people to perform malicious actions. PCHS-NJROTC 20:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

You weren't being bold, you were being a dick. You brought this issue up here, here, here, here, and here. And these are only the instances that I know of. Fortunately, I don't need to express my opinions of Conservapedia for people to realize what nut jobs they are. Simply providing the link will suffice, and people will come to the same conclusion I did. Keegscee (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you confessing to sockpuppetry? My comments at Marek69's talk page had to do with an IP editor posting comments quite similar to your's at Talk:Main Page, although I was not assuming it to be you at the time. You're cruising on a fast track for a block my friend; I now have to wonder if you're engaging in sockpuppetry to avoid scrutiny, and at any rate, calling fellow Wikipedians a "dick" is uncivil and will not help you while admins argue whether or not you deserve to remain unblocked. PCHS-NJROTC 00:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha. I didn't realize someone else promoted vandalizing Conservapedia. Maybe they saw some of my warnings and are now joining the cause. Let's be honest: a website like Conservapedia lends itself to vandalism. And if people are vandalizing there instead of Misplaced Pages, better for us. So get over yourself and get a sense of humor. Stop acting like such a.....such a conservative. Keegscee (talk) 01:09, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

It's not funny, nor would it be funny to promote vandalism at Liberalpedia if such a thing exists. This isn't about politics, this is about Network Abuse. PCHS-NJROTC 01:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I responded to your claims of sockpuppetry at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Keegscee. I want to emphasize the part about assuming good faith. I know you deal primarily with vandalism and probably get very frustrated, but that is no reason to abandon a key value of Misplaced Pages. No matter how good your work is here, it does not entitle you to bypass any of the rules. Please do not think that because you file abuse reports and do some of the dirty work that you can pick and choose what rules you want to follow. I am guilty of this as well and will do my best to improve. Keegscee (talk) 02:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I do assume good faith, which is why I insisted on a checkuser before anyone jumped to conclusions. Sometimes I feel I assume good faith too much. sockpuppetry crossed my mind the minute I saw that comment in that "who created wiki" thread since it appeared very similar to your commentary, but I assumed good faith and did not want to alienate you unless there was more proof. I started setting up the report for possible sockpuppetry before I received your message stating you were not the IP user who posted at Talk:Main Page. I'm glad to see that you're trying to improve. PCHS-NJROTC 03:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:AbActioned

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Thanks. GrooveDog FOREVER 23:28, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

That's so old I didn't even remember creating it. PCHS-NJROTC 23:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

re: your message

Hi PCHS-NJROTC, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 03:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

PCHS-NJROTC, I've left you another reply on my talk page -- Marek.69 03:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Another reply on my talk page -- Marek.69 04:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello PCHS-NJROTC, Marek69 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Marek.69 04:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! PCHS-NJROTC 04:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Netalarmtalk 02:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

What's the new message? PCHS-NJROTC 02:16, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

On the future of the project, and I'm personally getting tired of this project now that nothing has happened in a long time. Netalarmtalk 02:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been tired of it because it seems more and more of the reports would be incompatible with the criteria. It seems it's getting better though. PCHS-NJROTC 02:33, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Keegscee

We need some more information if you'd like a checkuser done here - your comments seem to imply that you think Howard isn't a sockpuppet, in which case there's no reason for a check, or even an investigation, to be done. Thank you. Hersfold 02:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I think the IP is probably a sockpuppet. PCHS-NJROTC 02:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Grand Theft Jimbo

Thanks for editing that, dude. I bet if we could at least ask some help from the modding community to make a TC should this project of ours turnn into a reality. Blake Gripling (talk) 03:04, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Cooooooool!! PCHS-NJROTC 03:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Dear Sir

I saw your discussion about the term myth on the creationism discussion article, & I admired your warmth for God...of course you may delete or not reply to this, since it doesn't really concern Misplaced Pages...but I'm just interested in your view. How is it please that you believe in God and evolution at the same time, I wonder? You said that the Bible didn't say "God piled up everything" but I believe God did do something a bit like it. If you take the Bible literally, I mean, the world would be much younger than evolutionists claim; and theories such as the "Big Bang theory" is not exactly biblical. I was just wondering, because the two views seem so incompatible with each other...If you would be so kind as to write back to me, please write on my talk page! Yours truly, Classical Esther (talk) 12:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I certainly believe that God created everything, but I'm neutral on evolution because it doesn't really say how he created it all. I completely believe in the Genesis explaination, and the seven days theory. The "Big Bang" theory could potentially make sense if you think about it; God says "let there be light," and light there is; a "big bang" occurs because God caused it to occur. The Bible says we came from dust/dirt. Microscopic organisms exist in dust/dirt. In Genesis, God first created plants, then fish and birds, then land animals, then "man in his own image" (humans). This order is also what is explained by evolutionists. There's no question as to whether organisms evolve; mutation occurs frequently among bacteria and viruses. I believe, however, that this is because of God's will, not all on its own. I'm neutral on the age of the Earth as the Bible doesn't really say exactly how old our planet is. I don't blindly assume that just because scientists say that this planet is billions of years old that it is fact; Pluto was originally considered a planet in our solar system after all. Carbon dating may be inaccurate if conditions were quite different years ago. God made Eve out of Adam. Scientifically, males cannot phyically give birth, but what if Adam was not actually a male, but rather something quite different capable of asexual reproduction? Could have Eve coming from Adam be the Bible explaining how we evolved from one form to another because of God's intervention? I believe that God designed all of the biology, physics, and natural chemistry of this world and universe; I believe, for example, that all of the scientific laws are so because that is God's will. I believe that although a table could instantly become an F-16 without any scientific explaination if it were God's will, it is not likely to become God's will as God's will is that a table will remain a table, whereas swine flu, human flu, and bird flu can merge and become H1N1 because that is God's will. I do not believe in "luck" or "chance" at all; I believe everything happens for a reason. God created the Earth in a week, whether the Earth literally popped up in a week as understood by humans, was literally designed by God in a human week, a week in God's view, a day was a hundred years and a week was 700, or something else. I'm not big on saying "yes, this is how it happened;" I believe that God created the universe, and although we can speculate, I don't feel we should be surprised if any interpretation should be found wrong; science will never prove the exact process that happened before humans even walked the Earth, whether it be less than a week before human existance or billions of years. There's a lot of gray area; the Bible was written years ago, so it's difficult as to whether to take it literally or how to take it. If you think about it, if the scientific theories are correct including the order of evolution (microscopic organisms ==> algae ==> plants ==> fish ==> birds ==> land animals ==> humans), it would have to be more than a coincidence that the prophets had the same order of creation (plants ==> fish and birds ==> land animals ==> humans). In a nutshell, (in the beginning,) God created the heavens and the earth, one way or the other. PCHS-NJROTC 02:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

That was certainly interesting. Thank you for your kind notice of my question: it was very nice of you to write back. I think rather differently, that the entire Bible is inerrant and literal, and that evolution is something very different. Because the import thing about evolution is that things...well...evolved right?--over millions of years? Well...that's very different from the seven-day creation which the Bible talks of, in my opinion. And evolution claims man comes from monkey. What's the difference? Where does the creation of the soul begin? And most evolutionists think Noah's flood was a 'myth' and just a sort of fairy tale. But ancient people from all over the world have stories of a great flood in common, and the fossils that evolutionists claim must have been created over millions of years might have mostly been made through the flood. There's a fossil, for instance, that shows a fish in the process of swallowing another fish. Scientists say it takes only three seconds for the fish to be swallowed. It's most likely that a sudden, overwhelming force stamped the two fish instantaneously into a fossil - the flood! How can that be compatible with evolution?...It's questions like these that make me feel very dubious of evolution. O, perhaps I'm getting carried away. Anyway it was very kind of you to write back. In any case, whatever views we might have on how the world began, I'm very, very glad you still believe God created the earth and the heavens, and is capable of anything he wishes, which is more than what most people believe. Goodbye! Classical Esther (talk) 06:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

User:AfroUnderscoreStud

Likely Grawp, ScienceGolfFanatic, or even Pickbothmanlol, since he clearly went into discussions regarding his socks. –MuZemike 01:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, that's all I needed to know. Keep up the good work. PCHS-NJROTC 01:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

AN/I

If you are here to discuss a thread at AN/I about my handleing of the User:LBHS Cheerleader case, I'm not interested. That thread is becoming just a bunch of finger pointing and "EXPLAIN YOURSELF NOW" nonsense, so I've disassociated myself from the discussion. Bye. PCHS-NJROTC 02:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)