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:Allow me to expand on this. I deleted those templates because it is evident that (a) they serve no useful purpose within the Misplaced Pages community (b) they (in some cases) serve to divide the Misplaced Pages community and (c) they (in some cases) violate copyright law. Therefore: You have 24 hours in which to explain why -- other than "process was not followed" -- those templates should not be deleted. If you do not do so, I will delete them again, and if you rerestore them after that I will file an RfC against you for abuse of administrative authority. Happy New Year. ] (]) 00:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

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Hi, folks! --Grue 05:29, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Johann Wolfgang's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA.If my RfA passes I will use my new abilities with the common interest in mind. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

Johann Wolfgang [ T ...C ] 15:20, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

The College of Wooster Greeks debate reopened

Since you participated in this AFD debate, you might like to know that it has been reopened following discussion at WP:DRV. The new debate is at here. Yours, Sjakkalle (Check!) 16:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you very much for supporting my rather contentious request for adminship, but now that I've been promoted, I'd like to do a little dance here *DANCES*. If you have any specific issues/problems with me, please feel free to state them on my talk page so that I can work to prevent them in the future, and thanks once again!  ALKIVAR™ 07:45, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

AfD Help required

Hi! You probably do not remember me, but a few months ago you voted "keep" on the Article for Deletion vote for Three Dozer Build. The archive of that vote is here. The article has been put up on AfD again, by a somewhat crazed poster (read the correspondence here, who again wishes the page to be deleted. Can I ask that you please vote "keep" again at the current nomination. A simple "keep for reasons on previous nomination" should suffice, and would ensure the survival of a page you felt deserved to survive last time. Thanks in advance. Batmanand 16:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for your support vote on my RfA. I'm sure to run into you again so see you around Misplaced Pages! — Phil Welch 22:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

CfD

There is a vote going on at Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 7#Category:Soviet spies to Category:Aed Soviet spies. This is a challenge to the sourcing of Venona project materials & direct related article series. I'd appreciate it if you could take a look. Thank you. nobs 02:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup

Thanks, Grue, for your vote of support on my nomination to become an administrator. I passed, and my floor rag has since been bestowed upon me. Please let me know if you need me to help with anything in particular! —BrianSmithson 16:33, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Grue,

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Regards, JoanneB 13:29, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Displaying characters

Thanks for contributing on Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Norse mythology). I, too, want to use characters that will display correctly for as many people as possible. That's why the convention I'm proposing uses "ö", which will display just about everywhere, instead of "ǫ" which will fail to display on many systems (like the one I'm using now, I just see a box).

The other characters in the standardized Old Norse spelling are all used in modern Western-European languages (Icelandic, Danish and French will cover the lot). Because of the way the world works this means that they have a pretty privileged place - being included in the Latin-1 standard and present in most every font. In fact I don't think I've ever used a web-capable computer system which fails to display Old Norse characters (except for "ǫ"). Do you have problems seeing them?

Of course you have every right to vote the way you want and you may have other reasons for your vote in addition to your concerns about characters displaying. I'm not calling your vote into question. Thank you for your time. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 16:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

MONGO RfA

I appreciate your support on my RfA and will I ensure you I will do my best. Let me know if there is anything you need. Thanks again!--MONGO 03:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Votes needed

If you haven't already, we need votes on several Jewish and Catholic lists up for deletion:

StabRule 19:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers

Thanks fo your support on my RfA, and especially the compliment. As someone I've stood a little in awe of since I first came here it meant a lot. Thanks once again, Steve block talk 09:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Adminship and Wikinews

Hi Grue! Thanks for supporting my candidature for adminship! Am I still remembered for flooding Wikinews with Romania-related articles :) I haven't had time to do that recently! Ronline 12:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Blogging_Tories

Hi. I've put some work in at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Blogging_Tories#Summarised_arguments, could you see what you think of it? It looks to me that this was a consensus to delete.
I've also put some thoughts at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Progressive Bloggers that make me feel that this did fall acceptably in the range of "no consensus", although it was very close.
I'd hate to see what I believe was the correct (if poorly annotated) deletion decision overturned.
brenneman 12:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, never mind. I hadn't seen your new comments at DRV! Thanks, - brenneman 12:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

List of modern day dictators

Please reconsider your vote. If you think it's easy to decide who is a dictator, you haven't thought about it enough. I've given counterexamples on the discussion page and I can give more. Musharraf has reconvened parliament. Is he still a dictator? What about Nawaz Sharif, his elected predecessor, who was ignoring parliament and the supreme court and accusing the press of treason before he was overthrown? What about Indira Ghandi, Ian Smith, Franklin Roosevelt, Hugo Chavez, or Hamid Karzai? Even if you can come up with criteria that include precisely whom you think they should, do you expect them to agree with other people's criteria? Gazpacho 20:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Ridiclus

I noticed (too late) in your comment in Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/American_terrorism. You are 100% correct.

If you have the time please see this: Talk:Palestinian_exodus#Doron.27s_argument

best, Zeq 19:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Mark's RfA

G'day Grue,

thanks for your support on my RfA. I was utterly amazed ... fuddled, you might say ... by the turnout. If you've any questions, comments, criticisms, etc. of my conduct as an admin, please don't hesitate to let me know. Advice is good, too, if you've any to offer. Thanks again, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 14:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikifun

Wow, I completely forgot about this - I don't know how I missed your first message either. I'll start working on the questions right away. Dmn 00:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

I would like to thank you for your support of my recent successful RfA. If you have any further comments or feedback for me, my door's open - don't hesistate to drop a note on my talk page. Happy editing! Enochlau 11:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

The Walking game

Why would you delete the "walking game" page, if you added up the all the comments for keep and delete they were virtually the same, and if you had of given us two weeks we could have verified the site completely as we said many times. There was no reason to delete this page and many people supporting it. Please... in the spirit of Christmas and of giving a chance and hope to people could you please put it back.

Alexander for Admin

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Alexander_007 ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Alexander_007 . I've nominated User:Alexander_007 as admin. Let's vote for him! -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 14:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

RFA for TheParanoidOne

Hello Grue. Thanks for the vote of confidence in my RFA. I have now officially received the badge, so I shall try my best to be a good administrator. Thanks again. --TheParanoidOne 21:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

BDAbramson's RFA

Although my RfA is not over yet, I figured that since so many people voted before it had been posted, I may as well start thanking people before it wraps up. It'll take me that long to thank everyone who voted anyway! Thank you, Grue, for your not-too-late support - I'll do my best as an admin to make the reality rise to the level of the dream. BDAbramson T 17:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


Misplaced Pages:Wikifun

Hi, I've noticed you've taken part in Wikifun before.

Just to let you know, Round 11 begins today at 0900 GMT. Dmn 04:27, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

My failed RFA :)

Dear Grue,

I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. Even though it failed with a with the final tally of 55/22/6, I want to thank you anyways. I don't want to be one a admin anymore until I reach 10,000 edits now that it's over with. Thanks --Jaranda 02:59, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Indigenous people of the Americas

Perhaps you should re-visit your comment at the above listed afd. It was an uncalled for insult directed at innocent Wikipedians. Do you have any rationale for it? All arguments (except your racist comment) are based on Misplaced Pages policy concerning lists. Your comment seems to be directed at the people voting. Please see Misplaced Pages:Civility and be more thoughtful of what you write before hitting the "Save page" button. --maclean25 19:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

You said: "All arguments (except your racist comment) are based on Misplaced Pages policy concerning lists." Well, I don't know any Misplaced Pages policy that supports deleting perfectly encyclopedic lists based on ethnicity of people that are listed therein. But yet, some such lists are kept and other are deleted. There are many names for that phenomenon: "systemic bias", "Misplaced Pages is inconsistent", "POV" and so on. I prefer to call it "racism".  Grue  19:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • If you think the system is bias, then say so and try to correct the arguments used against the article in question. You called everybody a bunch of racists for wanting to delete the list, even though the arguments for deletion were not about the subject matter. That was not racism - they did not vote because the subject matter was 'Indigenous people'. As an admin you need to articulate yourself better, especially when using such loaded terms. --maclean25 20:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

AFD

I am almost always the nominator, so I didn't feel it was necessary to explain myself again (was I wrong?). But I have done that sometimes with the few articles I didn't nominate, so I'll work on those. Reconsider your oppose vote? Either way, thanks!Gator (talk) 20:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

KOL kingdom of loathing page

Hi, you've been deleteing edits I think are useful. Please at least participate in the dicussion on the topic. In the short time you left my edits up, at least one other user was interested enough to add information to my tables. This tells me that people want this info to be on here. I don't consider practicle item data to be "spoilers". I don't understand why you can't let people who want this data to have it. Fresheneesz 01:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

You wrote:

"" There are so many problems with these tables:

  1. They're not complete
  2. When they're complete the page would be unmantainably large
  3. They look out of place in an otherwise good article
  4. There are other wikis for that information
  5. It's generally a silly idea.
  6. and so on...

""

  1. Nothing on wikipedia is complete, and most likely will never be complete
  2. I moved the tables to a separate page
  3. I disagree that they look out of place, but that is irrelevant now that they're a separate page
  4. Which wikis are for that information? I think wikipedia is a perfect place for this info.
  5. This number is irrelevant.. what so silly about listing practical information...?

and so on..

I also read through "what wikipedia is not" and none of their examples matched this situation. Since I *did* move the tables to a separate page, is there any problem with that? Fresheneesz 21:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Disappointed

I was very disappointed to see your hoax of Daniel Brandt. We are Wikipedians, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard of conduct. Are you willing to send him an apology?

What I am primarily concerned about here is that, as an admin, your behavior will set an example for others who look up to you in so many ways (and for good reason, of course). We absolutely do not need people to start engaging in such behaviors against people who criticize us, even if we think the particulars of the criticism are unreasonable. Just because others are unreasonable or unkind does not imply that it is ok for us to stoop to their level.

We are Wikipedians. For me, that means something.--Jimbo Wales 12:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Ouch, that was harsh! I'm not the author of the prank and I saved it to my subpage only because it was repeatedly removed from it's original location. I agree that the prank was in a bad taste but the result was quite entertaining. I should also add that I never used any sockpuppets on Misplaced Pages, and I tried to keep my behavior within acceptable norms all the time.  Grue  13:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


I offer my most sincere apologies to Grue. I got this one completely wrong. I still think it is in poor taste to archive it on Misplaced Pages as if we are proud of it. But, I'm sorry Grue, I screwed up.--Jimbo Wales 15:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Deleting Pages

Too Crufty? To me that epitomizes the sport of deleting articles. Zing it with a one-liner; never mind how much work you nullify. george 03:28, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

The Black List

Watch it! You said that without Misplaced Pages Daniel Brandt is nobody - that could earn you a permanant place on the Black List with the rest of us ;-) Izehar (talk) 21:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think location means much - I am in the UK and Agamamnon2 is in Finland. How shall we escape? John Doe#16 22:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of anti-Semites

Sorry, the AfD closed before I got to replying to your last comment. Feel free to expunge this if you don't want to continue the discussion.

  • My point was, a list is prone to arbitrary addition. A category will be much more tightly controlled, because article editors will see the category tag and remove it if it is not valid. Someone who is notable as an anti-semite will undoubtedly be tagged, someone who once made an ill-judged anti-semitic remark but in other ways is clearly not an anti-semite (I believe Richard Nixon was raised as an excample, a man for whom several notable Jews were proud to have worked) will not. Did the editors on the Nixon article know he'd been added to this list? I'm guessing not. In my view this is what categories are for - they do the job well. If we want that job done at all: arguably the lists and categories of people conforming to certain arbitrary criteria add nothing to our understanding of those issues over and above what would be gained by a few well-chosen examples in the mian article. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 13:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Hi Grue, it's SWD316. Please try to here my side of the story before you think of me that way on my RFA. Some others who have voted oppose don't know what happened at the last RFA so I talk to them trying to tell my side. I apoligize for ever posting that on my user page. Being bipolar doesn't seem to help the situation when I got mad. User:Mcfly85 has been annoying me for weeks now. The previous RFA was so frustrating because Mcfly85 voted 3 times oppose. Once as Mcfly85, and twice as sockpuppets. Now he is having to deal with his RFAr. I never meant anything put on my user page that day. I was just mad at myself for allowing Mcfly85 to get to me like that. As I stated, I'm bipolar, rage comes and goes. I try to control it the best I can. Please reconsider, at least to a neutral vote. I edit in nothing but good faith and I wish people knew that before Mcfly85 ran around Misplaced Pages spreading lies, although I know you probably knew nothing of it. I don't care if you change your vote or not but I would like to try and clear the air with everyone about what really happened because the last thing I want is someone to vote oppose because they dont like me. Thats what your vote seemed like to me. Thanks. -- SWD316 17:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I take offense to you calling me crazy, I have Bipolar Disorder. I'm not crazy. SWD316 19:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Afd/Old

I noticed there's no link whatsoever from main Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion page too Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Old. I wanted to link it from Old discussions header but I'm afraid it would screw up the bot somehow. Can you add the link in that place?  Grue  17:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for letting me know (to update it anyway). --AllyUnion (talk) 11:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks from Deathphoenix

Hi Grue,

I just wanted to thank you for supporting me in my RfA. To tell you the truth, I was surprised by all the support I've gotten. I never saw myself as more than an occasional Wiki-hobbyist, but now we have two pheoxen who are admins. :-)

My wife sends her curses, as Misplaced Pages will likely suck up more of my time. She jokingly (I think) said she was tempted to log on to Misplaced Pages just to vote Oppose and let everyone know that she didn't want her husband to be an admin.

I'll make sure your trust in me is founded. --Deathphoenix 15:10, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

PeterZed's templates

Don't delete these templates out of process. Similar userboxes already exist and if you want these deleted, Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion is the place for that.  Grue  23:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Screw process. Those templates are crap and should be deleted. No point in wasting TfD's time with them. Kelly Martin (talk) 23:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Allow me to expand on this. I deleted those templates because it is evident that (a) they serve no useful purpose within the Misplaced Pages community (b) they (in some cases) serve to divide the Misplaced Pages community and (c) they (in some cases) violate copyright law. Therefore: You have 24 hours in which to explain why -- other than "process was not followed" -- those templates should not be deleted. If you do not do so, I will delete them again, and if you rerestore them after that I will file an RfC against you for abuse of administrative authority. Happy New Year. Kelly Martin (talk) 00:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)