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AlexPU is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Misplaced Pages on April 10

Edits to NKVD

Before threatening to accuse something in POVism, I suggest to look into person's history of edits. In this particular case, I am one of the few who systematically adds factual articles about political repressions in the USSR and maintains the consistency of the category:Soviet political repressions (I added its reference to NKVD; did you happen to look into it?). As for the deletions, I deleted all what was erroneous in this chaotic babble about how bad NKVD was. In particular, deportations of tatars etc. were put into section that speak about "liberated territories", which is nonsense. Deportations deserve a special section. In fact, this is the whole article Population transfer in the Soviet Union, which shows that there was a whole politics of the Stalinist state, rather than deeds of these NKVD villains. As for explanations, I am not going to explain every nonsense an anonymous contributor adds to wikipedia. But I am pretty tolerant to other editors' point of views in cases of disputes. Like I said, I prefer to work with factual material, which, unlike various political rant, is usually impossible to contest. I believe this is the true goal of an encyclopedia. Mikkalai 17:35, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good work on the Cassette Scandal article!

Good job. 68.81.231.127 12:25, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And also on the UBK article!

police

i dont know if your are aware, but you deleted the police page. be carefull with your edits. Xtra 13:18, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Surely I din't mean to. And I've no idea how did it happen. Anybody has? Web experts? Cause this is not the first time when I'm accused in misterious deleting. AlexPU

Ukrainians in space

Hi Alex. On a whim, I created and populated Category:Ukrainian space program while avoiding work. The articles are all little stubs. Would you have a look and see if I haven't left out anything obvious? I wanted to start an article about the Sich-1 and Coronas-F satellites, but I've run out of time. Michael Z.

Will do my best, Michael.

Pryvit, AlexPU

Take a look at NKAU and its talk. AlexPU

Category problems

But you're a lucky guy - I've tried to create already two new categories and no freaking effect so far. Would you take a look when not so busy?

• Category:Non-combat accidents involving military
• Category:Kyiv city

You don't really have to create category pages, as such. Just put a new category link at the bottom of an article. Then go to that category, which now has your article in it, and put one or more category links to parent categories in there. The new category is now part of the hierarchy. —Michael Z. 2005-01-22 16:54 Z

One more thing: when the category is still an orphan, the links above generate a URL that goes to the page for editing. But you can still manually type or paste the URL into your browser, and see the page (e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Non-combat_accidents_involving_military).

Khotyn uprising (1919)

I think you should be interested to take a look at the Khotyn article, which is repeatedly flooded by Romanian nationalism. If you have any facts on the Khotyn uprising, please help to make the article better. Ghirlandajo 06:55, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fantastic idea!

Hi,

Good job man! That was a great idea to create Category:Non-combat accidents involving military. Good luck! --Pouya 19:33, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Category:World Heritage Sites in the Ukraine

I've replied on my talk page; it's prolly easiest to keep the discussion in one place. — OwenBlacker 20:34, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

Tobias COnradi's unacceptable actions on oblasti pages

I cannot revert. Oblast' is not english. Please look on other countries (not Russia) where else do we use non-english terms? Privet Tobias Conradi 07:19, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If someone has another opinion than you, you call him asshole? Tobias Conradi 07:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Where do you think is the best place to discuss the naming of province/oblast? Tobias Conradi 07:42, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If someone is defiantly ignoring the Wiki ethics and objections from other Wikipedians, and refusing to discuss his edits, I call him an asshole. And today's asshole seems to be To-o-o-bias Conradi! AlexPU

At this stage, you got no moral right to discuss anything. You had your chance after my first polite reprimand. Now you're discredited - at least for some time. If you're concerned with the naming of province/oblast, please ask some tolerant and co-operative Wikipedian to back your opinion and fulfill all necessary discussion procedures. And please, don't rename anything more. AlexPU

WikiEthics are Be bold. I stopped renaming, but had to rename until K starting from Z. Because I was allready in some K. So now we know oblasts pages from K-Z all have been moved. You call Would you stop renaming oblast' until you freaking hear the objections of other Wikipedians polite? And than after 7 minutes giving me an 24h-ultimatum? Maybe I have seen your first message only short moments before?

I stop renaming for now and would really like to talk about it. Tell me where Privjet from Berlin. :-) Tobias Conradi 08:37, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

An appropriate place to discuss this would be Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ukrainian subdivisions, which you may have noticed was linked from the top of each oblast's talk page. Please calm down, people. I've only noticed this debate now. Would someone summarize on that talk page?

Oblast is indeed an English word, at least according to the American Heritage Dictionary. —Michael Z. 2005-03-4 16:09 Z

I have never been on any oblast talk page. Thanks telling that oblast might be english, but what about oblast' as it was written? Tobias Conradi 07:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In the german WP we also use the word Oblast. Tobias should not try to move the oblast-articles in de:WP. --Steschke 07:46, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)

You are talking nonsense - I never tried anything with de:WP Tobias Conradi 07:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wenn du dir die Mühe machen würdest zu verstehen: Tobias should not try ist Future. --Steschke 13:16, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)

My fight against Tobias was purely the matter of ethics (and not the question of content) - as well as my other Wikiconflict with Russian propagandists. If a guy is renaming 25 typical and large-subject articles without any discussion, "fighting" the wide-spread Misplaced Pages term, he deserves a massive censure. And I'm eager to repeat such actions against every other defiant vandal (no matter how much time would I spend for it). If Tobias voluntarily reverted his own (those still unreverted) changes, it would be the best demonstration of his tolerance, co-operativeness and contributing objectivity.

As for the essence of the oblast' question, I'm always ready to discuss the possible changes to oblast' pages. I'm going to do that exactly where Michael suggests to do it. And even if the consensus of Wikipedians recognizes the idea of Tobias, I would still demand his edits to be reverted before the end of discussion. While we discuss the edits, other people might just look for the info on oblast's :( AlexPU

Ukrain city maps

Hi Alex, I invite you to find out the best basic ukrain map to show the position of cities. We discuss here --ST ○ 06:58, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

Sorry, I try to explain: We try to find a construct to represent Ukrainian cities. The first point is to find a map to point the position of a city (independently if it's actually on it's correct place). We thought about oblasts with named cities first. That has the disadvantage that you only can use it in the deWP. And the oblasts are not useful to orientate. So we discuss now, if we shouldn't use simple maps of Ukraine only with dots on them. That would have the advantage, that we could store the images at commons and all WPs can use them in their language. And they would have a similar look (like the Image:Location berlin in germany.png, which are used in all german articles of cities and towns). Because of this idea, I asked you to take a look and take part at the discussion if you think this idea could be success- and useful also for you. --ST ○ 23:22, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

Navy Expert

I would like to work with you on articles about Military of Ukraine, Russian Navy, and so on. I am currently working on articles (very slowly) about Soviet and Russian submarine accidents. I spent many years in the United States Navy's Submarine Service, and now I work for the Navy as a civilian contractor, so in English I am something of an expert. ➥the Epopt 15:30, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd also be pleased to help, with English/American terminology and usage etc. Pedant 19:46, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

Thank you guys. I'm fastening my preparations for the joint attack. For the start, I suggest both of you (especially the professional Epopt) to consider where could you harvest the info on particular ships of the Soviet/Ukrainian (and also, if you want, Russian) navies. I mean there must be some English -language military guides (Jane's or what is it called?) where you can find the:

• old Soviet names and codes as well as the new codes (or what the digit labels on the boards are called?)
• the types of particular ships and their NATO classification
• any other relevant info (where and when she was built, history, pictures etc.)

To refine your search, I'm preparing the list of the actual ships with their Ukrainian names (judging by mostly media sources). Also, I'm going to clarify the history, personalia&ranks and bases (however, bases and ports may be also best accesible to you through international navy guides). Best wishes, AlexPU

• The military guide you're thinking of is Jane's Fighting Ships and its hundreds of spin-offs. Jane's Web site is http://www.janes.com/ .
• I'm not sure what you mean by "the digit labels on the boards" -- is that "K-141" for the submarine Kursk?
• Some information on Soviet and Russian submarines (Stupid question: does Ukraine operate submarines?) can be found at http://submarine.id.ru/ . I haven't looked for surface-fleet info recently.
• NATO reporting name are reasonably easy to look up on various .mil Web sites.

➥the Epopt 15:26, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi Epopt. I've tried to look into Jane's. there's a lot of info there, and it seems to be largely pay-only. So I need some time (and hepl may be) to harvest something here.

By "labes" I meant the digit-letter combinations painted on the boards of the surface ships. Not sure for subs. I guess that combination is unique and important. Isn't it?

Yes, Ukraine possess a small old diesel sub named "Zaporizhia" (Cyrillic Запоріжжя). Don't know the class/project - can you harvest it knowing the name?. And no :(( we don't operate it - the sub is in permanent repair since it was commisioned form Russian guys - that's why she is a constant hero of journalist stories. But the Navy comand demonstrates the willing to operate it someday.

Thanks for the first help. AlexPU

I have added a tiny amount to your stub about Ukraine's submarine, and I'll add more as I research it. ➥the Epopt 23:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

DYK

Just so you know. Since we're on the English wikipedia here, Kiev is how most English people refer to the city. I therefore changed the link in your suggested item. (I do believe the Ukrainian name is mentioned in the lead, though. Mgm| 13:23, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

Arsenal

Hi Alex, please look at the note I left at the Arsenal Mutiny article talk page. Also, may I suggest you to avoid using Kyiv in Misplaced Pages as the primary name of the city. I understand that you may want to promote the usage of Kyiv by using it yourself. But at Misplaced Pages, I think, the choice of the term should reflect the current usage rather than promote some terms over the others. Regards, Irpen 07:12, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Alex, I am responding to the note you left at my talk page. I don't have a big problem with FC Arsenal called either way. Save few exceptional cases, I usually don't go to the page just in order to change a single term when it is as contentious as Kiev/Kyiv. Mostly, I only do this change in the course of some other page edits. Unlike when used for the name of the city itself in English WP, the argument you made for the FC name has merit and I am happy to have it the way you changed it back.

I don't feel good, though, about the tone of the note you left at my talk page and about your calling my edits outrageous. Please don't become short-tempered when you disagree with others. I work on all articles in good faith and I don't think I deserved to be addressed in such a tone. Now, lets put this matter behind and go back to business of improving the WP. Please don't take this personally, but I think your should reconsider your usage of Kyiv for the name of the city in your edits. I left a note on the talk page of one of the articles and there is enough said on this heated discussion elsewhere. Please note, that I agreed with your moving the Irpen river article into Irpin, which I think made perfect sense for today's day. You may notice, that I created the article a while ago, and now I would have created it as Irpin as well. I hope, our discussions will remain civil, and I really appreciate your contributions to WP, including those I disagree. Irpen 22:34, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Apologies presented for the tone - it really was an emotional pre-emptive attack. I'm glad you recognize the essence of my objection regarding the football club. Best wishes, AlexPU 20:45, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chersones

Hi Alex, I'm looking for a picture or scan of an 1 Griwna banknote to use in the article about Chersones (Sewastopol). Do you have an idea? --ST ○ 19:47, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)

Elya left this on my talk-page: Alex, where are you living and what driver do you need ? I'll be in Ushhorod in May and could bring you something on CD ;-) - if this is not too late. --elya 18:29, 19. Mär 2005 (CET) --ST ○ 19:56, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Elya&Steschke. I'm a Kyivite, and, unfortunately, not going to visit Uzhhorod in foreseeable future. Actually, I'm looking for a CD ( with an HP Scanjet 6200 driver. If I don't get that from my friends or acquaintances - hope to buy it at the "something CD:)" (I got your humor) market. But anyway, thanks for readiness to help.

BTW, Elya, I see you've done a great Ukraine-related job there at De:Misplaced Pages (judging from the titles I can somehow understand from German). Best wishes, AlexPU 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC).

Unfortunately, I'm leaving for an approximately month-long Wikibreak. (Don't know how will I stand it :( ). But, feel free to post your possible messages and help requests here - I promise to answer them ASA return. Pryvit, AlexPU 21:05, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Best wishes to you during your leave, Alex. Thanks for all your hard work and knowledgeable contributions around here. Cheers, Michael Z. 2005-03-20 21:48 Z

Dropped in for a minute

Hi everybody. I dropped in for a minute - just to see what's happening in this great project. Unfortunately, I'm still on Wikibreak and have no time/energy for contribiting. Sorry if I didn't answer someone's message.

However:

• I can now scan and send some not very large Ukraine-related images (since I have a scanner). E.g., Sven Teschke requested a bank note scan.

• I've got a large multimedia collection depicting our Orange Revolution (TV newscasts&footages, animated clips, photos, photodesign, scanned leaflets, music etc.) Some of this stuff is copyrights-free or anonimous. If someone would like to post it at the respective Wiki pages - I can also send it.

So, people, if you need my help with some particular non-lasting tasks - please E-mail me.

Best wishes, AlexPU 12:02, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

P.S. If someone is interested in my experience, I do miss Misplaced Pages, but without any addiction suffering. My work pressure keeps me far from even thinking about writing something more :(( But I miss English very much. WP was the only place where I could use it. Hope I will return to editing someday.

Welcome back

Hi Alex! Just slumming a bit at Misplaced Pages? Thanks for filling in some info at tank desant. Hope to see you around here a bit. —Michael Z. 2005-11-10 19:38 Z

Hi Michael! Thanks for your welcoming. Glad to see you active as usual. Couldn't stand my desire to edit something, and to use English again. So many things changed since I left... I'm a little afraid of returning to our mainstream Ukraine articles. Need to read and think more. User:AlexPU

And I freaking forgot how to sign myself...

Done AlexPU

Sign with four tildes: ~~~~. Yup, some things change, some don't. Add Portal:Ukraine and some of its sub-pages to your watchlist. Cheers. —Michael Z. 2005-11-10 21:35 Z

Sorry Michael

Sorry Michael, I've incidentally blanked your talk page. Tried to fix it for a 5 times - with no freaking success. Would you do it yourself and accept my apologies& AlexPU 21:12, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

No problem; already fixed. I think the page is too long; I'll archive most of it shortly. Have a look at Raions of Kiev. —Michael Z. 2005-11-11 21:14 Z

Будьмо знайомі!

Hi Alex, nice to meet you here. There is so little Ukrainian editors at WP. Let's keap contact.--AndriyK 19:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I've already noticed you're an active editor of Ukraine pages. (I've been on a long Wikibreak.) And you seem to be fighting Russian gingoists - as I sometimes do. Tak trymaty! AlexPU 19:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Alex, yet again, I urge you to avoid name calling. In no time after your return to Misplaced Pages you resumed using this practice all too much. Maybe you forgot, but your first ever message to me (shortly after I've just started here) was a rude one. At that time, I was almost a newbie and you were an aged Wikipedian so welcoming me. Now, that I am also an aged Wikipedian, the first message from you after your wikibreak is even more rude.

I understand that, as you put it, you are now "too busy now to study Wikiethics pages thoroughly", but even if you apply any common sense ethics and civility rules you would have not done that and you don't need to read WP:Civil to be aware of that.

I hope you said "tak trymaty" above without really studying the contributions of the above user which by now have included disruptive behaviour, lack of civility, extreme POV pushing, multiple 3RR violations, effective vote falsification by using forums to recruit socks/absentee votes see (talk:Oleg of Chernihiv), personal attacks on and off Misplaced Pages, multiple copyright vilations and moving articles by cut and paste when he could not get his way by an accepted procedure. If you are interested, you can read his talk, especially starting from User_talk:AndriyK#Discussion_at_maidanua.org, my talk, particularly starting from User_talk:Irpen#Discussion_on_maidanua.org. In no time AndriyK managed to get himself blocked thrice, see (his block log), and aggravate everyone around him. This is a rather typical representation of his contributions.

I remember many good contributions you made before your wikibreak and we do need contributors around here. I hope you will help to make several more Ukrainian articles Misplaced Pages:Featured articles. So far we have only one, the Hero of Ukraine article, mostly written by an American, BTW. Shame on us! The featureable articles, IMO (those sufficiently detailed to be within reach) are Kiev, History of Kiev, Orange Revolution, Ukrainian language (particularly its history). My pet project History of Christianity in Ukraine is largely abandoned, but could be revived if there is an interest. I am looking forward to your help. --Irpen 21:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Na/v Ukrayini—eliminating vague language

Hi Alex. My question at talk:Ukraine#Na/v Ukrayini—eliminating vague language could probably use your perspective. Thanks. —Michael Z. 2005-11-15 17:37 Z

Hi. I'll see what can I add to discussion. AlexPU 18:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Navbox

The navbox is done. By the way, I'm Ukrainian too. --Akhristov 00:12, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Propagandistic vandalism in progress

People, I can't stand the behaviour of some of Russian (and Russia-biased) Wikifellows. The "behaviour" is the key, cause I don't deny they right to have their highly-erroneus views an present them correctly on WP. But I will renew my fight against the propaganda-driven vandal-like actions like undiscussed deletions and unforgiveable denials of common sense.

I'm going to list such uncooperative Wikipedians here. Feel free to edit and discuss the list.

And let's see are they brave enough to not delete themselves or each other from here.

• User:Ghirlandajo (hopefully, expelled as far as I found out today)
• User:Ezhiki (self-acclaimed, may be not)
• User:El fil (embattled by objective users over East Ukraine)
• User:Irpen --added myself just to spare the effort for the host of the disgusting attack page. --Irpen 23:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

See Wikipedia_talk:Polish_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Another_Black_Book --Yakudza 23:13, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

A comment on your list above. Polish editors being offended by many anti-Polish remarks on articles’ talk pages, decided once to create a page where they would be able to deal with the offending users. You may see it here 1. Unfortunately, despite their best intentions, few people on Wiki approved the idea, and the page went through two VfDs 1 2. The final result was certainly not the assumed one. Not only it didn’t solve anything, but also it backfires from time to time, like on this RfA 1.

During the many discussions we had held due to explain our view, many people suggested that problems with such problematic users should be solved with the use of the existing Misplaced Pages policy tools like RfC or ArbCom. And although that is exactly what Polish editors wanted to avoid, today, when I look back at the discussions, how much of our energy they took, and how little we achieved, I really think that the official tools would be the best idea. Some of the comments you oppose were posted on our board, and I can understand your frustration, however, the list is unlikely to resolve anything. Regards --SylwiaS 00:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I think I know a better place to discuss the edits of Mr.Ghirlandajo. Why don't you engage there? In fact, there's a balance of views there (created by his proponents ignoring this list). Wishes, Ukrained 10:27, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you everybody for commenting an important and complicated issue. Please proceed! Ukrained, I already did. And thank you for alerting me of the freaking East Ukraine. Thank you Poles (and dziewczyny polskie:) for info on "black lists". BTW, I hardly could be elected admin because of my short-temperedness and poor English. And I'm happy about it. If being elected means compromise with the disgraced editors - I don't need it. I suggest this approach for Mr.Halibutt particularly. Best wishes, AlexPU 23:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Cool it

Please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Vandalism#What vandalism is not. Characterizing others' edits as vandalism in a POV dispute is a serious breach of civility. Just because someone disagrees with you, even if they are wrong, none of these are justifications for calling edit vandalism. You also need to seriously consider toning down your language. Calling others "Propagandistic" and maintaining some kind of hitlist is not conducive to building an encyclopedia. Try to be cooperactive and civil, and if that doesn't resolve a dispute, use our processes at WP:DR, don't just resort to personal attacks and revert warring. Dmcdevit·t 22:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Alex, leave another comment like this and you'll find yourself blocked for a while to cool off. I know you feel strongly, but that does not justify abusive language. It does nothing to build an encyclopedia, and does much to harm it. Stop. Dmcdevit·t 23:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

To answer your questions:

• It is not directly prohibited per se in any policy, but there is a precedent and strong consensus for forcing users to delete them. More importantly though, it is just wrong, and unproductive for Misplaced Pages.
• All of your edits to Misplaced Pages are released under the GFDL. That's what you agreed when you clicked the save button. You cannot take them back, unless there is a standar deletion criterion they fall under. But I especially don't see why you'd want to, if they were useful encyclopedia articles. If you're pondering leaving over this conflict, that may be to our loss, but I would hope you wouldn't want to reduce our store of knowledge here (for anyone in the world to access) because you can't get along with an editor. Dmcdevit·t 00:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Mediation concerning St Volodymyr Cathedral

Hi Alex, if you interested in the St Volodymyr Cathedral article, why not to join the mediation procedure? Please check your mailbox.--AndriyK 09:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I couldn't find enough time. AlexPU 23:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

This type of censorship makes me sick

Vote to keep, show these hypocrites what's what, tolerance? ha, only when it's good for them--Diatrobica;l 23:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. First you read what you wrote :) Wishes, AlexPU 23:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

List of Ukrainians/User:Antidote

Hi, I am struggling to preserve the integrity of the List of Ukrainians from disuruption caused by User:Antidote, who repeatedly and arbitrarily deletes a number of people from the list. I would appreciate if could join me in editing the list and on the talk page.

User:Antidote is involved in a number of edit wars and has caused disurption to various East European, Catholic, and Jewish lists and is probably involved in multiple voting. See Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote. I would appreciate if you could endorse the request for comment at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote#Other_users_who_endorse_this_summary or post an outside view.--Pecher 19:54, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

What a ... there ... But a really complicated issue depending on general approach. AlexPU 23:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Elektrichka

Hi AlexPU. Where are you? There's a new topic for your attention. Just in case, take a look at here since you started the section. Wishes, Ukrained 11:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Actually, I'm on Wikibreak :( (see below). But I agree with your edits there. AlexPU 23:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

My Wikibreak statement

Ladies and gentlemen!

I've been on unannounced Wikibreak for a while, and I decided to prolong it officially. Partly because I'm busy with my real life (which is just another turn of Ukrainian elections :))).

But the main reason for my Wikibreaking

is the terrible pro-Russian propaganda on Misplaced Pages,
and community's failure to stop it.
The supposedly-neutral Wikifellows
permanently can't see (or pretending they can't)
the evident POV-contributions, and most important,
both the vandalistic and the insidious methods
used to preserve those contributions.
This disappoints me very mother-fucking much!!!

So I decided to avoid editing temporarily since I'm not paid for such a nervous (although a high-minded) activity. Going to be back after we're done with those elections here. And I passionately hope to see positive changes on Misplaced Pages NEUTRALITY then!!!

My Wikibreak will take effect as soon as I log out from this session. After that, I will kindly ask all of you for following:

• Don't purge this statement (even if you find it illiberal) and don't let people whom I described do it. May be it will require watching the anonymous vandalism.
• Don't purge the list of propagovandalists above, even if you dislike the idea. Instead, developing that list would be a sign of a true political correctness - towards Ukraine, Ukrainians, and, not to forget, Misplaced Pages principles.
• Do discuss the issues raised on my talkpage and elsewhere.

P.S. My E-mail is available through that page. Feel free. And I still have a scanner, and may use it for WP - if you write me and ask to scan something particular.

P.P.S.Thanks for reading. Sorry if I haven't answered somebody's post or E-mail in time. Hope to see you (and positive changes) in spring. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone. Best wishes, AlexPU 23:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)