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Can we discuss the issues? From my part I am ready to do it, but before you rv everything. This is not an article that we cannot find solutions. If you agree come to the talk page where I already I have posted my points. If you cannot find the exact refs I will provide them to you. Tell me what you cannot find.--] (]) 13:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC) Can we discuss the issues? From my part I am ready to do it, but before you rv everything. This is not an article that we cannot find solutions. If you agree come to the talk page where I already I have posted my points. If you cannot find the exact refs I will provide them to you. Tell me what you cannot find.--] (]) 13:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, the answer is in my talk page, --] (]) 21:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC) :See my answer here --] (]) 21:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

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Turks in Bulgaria

Kostja in the article Turks in Bulgaria you have changed the section name from Refugees from Bulgaria to Turkey with Migration from Bulgaria to Turkey, stating that the word "refugee" is POV? I will not change this if you in the same spirit change the claim of Bulgarians being killed and expelled from Eastern Tharce to these having migrated as their Turkish counterparts from Bulgaria. In that way you will balance POV in the articles you edit, how is that? BTW if the UN and UNHCR are source to refer to these people as refugees would that still be POV? Hittit (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps POV language is too strong, but are all these people refered as refugees in your sources? If not, then it's wrong to refer to them as refugees? The claims for the Bulgarians expelled from Eastern Thrace are well sourced as refugees. Kostja (talk) 16:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
right, fine I will source...BTW are you going to add any non-Bulgarian sorces for to so called expelled Bulgarians from Thrace? I will be very interested to see some diversified sources to back these huge figures since I only find some 46,786 migrating from Thrace and 6,200 coming from Anatolia Hittit (talk) 16:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Bulgarians

Read discussion before changing total number of Bulgarians. We have established that number at 10 million after prolonged discussion, so please abstain from changing the number just like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lozhani buditel (talk • contribs) 22:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Goce Delchev

Kostja, please understand that the current state of the GD article was reached after a prolonged and serious discussion and exchange of a number of contributors and thus I have reverted your edits. I would recommend that, should you have sugggestions for edits, you join the discussion first. As with AKeckarov's suggestion, please understand that, at this point, I niether agree or disagree with your suggestion. However, you are kindly invited to explain your edit from several perpectives, that include relevance to the article subject as well as describing what does it add that has not already been stated, explained and reference. The problem of the original article was that it had itterations of certain notions that, while not false, produced an imbalance incosistent with the purpose of the article, which is to document and explain why Delchev was a notable historical personality. I thank you for your understanding on this and look forward to your discussion. Best regards, --Modi 09:35, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

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Oblasts/Regions of Bulgaria

Hi! You moved Provinces of Bulgaria to Oblasts of Bulgaria. I think it would be better to move it to Regions of Bulgaria, see discussion at Talk:Oblasts of Bulgaria. Markussep 5 July 2005 11:48 (UTC)

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Was there a reason for removing the population density map? You left the edit summary blank. Jd2718 15:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Turks in Bulgaria

If you remove information from an article, as you did here, please provide an explanation in the edit summary. Hut 8.5 16:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, please read WP:TERRORIST, and WP:CITE. Philip Trueman (talk) 12:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

November 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Turks in Bulgaria. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. tedder (talk) 21:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

December 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bulgarisation. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. --Ptolion (talk) 16:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Bulgarisation dispute

Kostja - Please see the result of WP:AN3#User:Kostja reported by_User:Athenean (Result: Protected). While I did not find a 3RR violation, I did see a misuse of rollback. I caution you that there is an Arbcom decision regarding Eastern Europe which allows admins to apply discretionary sanctions. This means that hyper-caution regarding edit wars is needed on EE topics, particularly those like Bulgarisation where conflicting national aspirations may have to be treated neutrally. EdJohnston (talk) 04:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit undid on Pomak section.

I got permission before I change the flag (regardless of whether based on the Misplaced Pages is not answered on this section) the file and the edit are οf course fully validated and accurate. Please understand and not undo the edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MessiniaGreece (talk • contribs) 20:19, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

About Philipopolis/Plovdiv

If you think so why you are not take part in the discussion instead to reverting? The only way to answer you to what you say in the edit log is to rv you back. Is that what you really want? --Factuarius (talk) 15:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Your San Stefano map

It was already changed. Todor→Bozhinov 18:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Maps

What are you doing in Treaty of San Stefano? You are inserting the Ravenstein map twice? What is the point of that? Regarding your single-minded campaign to remove the Stanford Map from Misplaced Pages, it's not a good idea. Wherever we have the Ravenstein map, we are going to have the Stanford map, it's only fair. --Athenean (talk) 20:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Since I got no response from you on my talkpage I've taken the liberty of tentatively re-introducing the Stanford map at Congress of Berlin, per the reasons given at Balkans by Jayron32, with suitably modified captioning. Hope that's OK with you now. This leaves Eastern Rumelia and Treaty of San Stefano, where I haven't done anything. I will request mediation at WP:CCN, I think that is the best way to resolve this once and for all. Athenean (talk) 00:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Trikala, Imathia

Eastern Rumelia, was just that, Eastern Rumelia, when the refugees arrived in 1925, also when you changed it to bulgaria, you didnt reference it. Marilena Karantinini 08:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarilenaK (talk • contribs)
You are using a wikipedia article you have edited as your reference?
Marilena Karantinini 20:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC) Neither is your pro-bulgarian one, I can agree with your use of Thrace, but not Bulgaria.Marilena Karantinini 19:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarilenaK (talk • contribs)
I am glad we have achieved this compromise.
Marilena Karantinini 10:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
As you see it was not me who put myself as notable native. 93.163.23.166 (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Bulgarians

Hi, can you please check your latest edits to Bulgarians. You tried to revert some number vandalism in the infobox, but it seems to me that at least part of the data is currently untrue (Poland is at 11,920, source says 1,020; Slovenia 3150 vs source 138). Thanks and all the best :) Todor→Bozhinov 09:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

List of land borders

Hi Kostja,

I have changed two edits of yours and kept one.

One edit was about the Bulgarian independence from the Byzantine Empire in 1185. At the time, the Danube river was the border of Bulgaria, according to the historical maps on Misplaced Pages. North of the Danube were the Cumans in Walachia, which used to be Bulgarian territory. It was the first time that this part of the Bulgarian-Rumanian border was the border of Bulgaria, so that is why i put it in the article.

Another edit was on the border between Bulgaria and Macedonia. The system of the article is that i give the first time one of each countries has a border on that exact place, and when both countries at the same time have the border there. In this case, the northern part of the Bulgarian-Macedonian border became the border of Bulgaria. It only became the border of the country of Macedonia in 1991.Daanschr (talk) 13:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any source that Bulgaria's northern border ran along the Danube? According to some maps, this was Bulgarian or at least dependent on Bulgaria: . In such a case, where the sources are unclear and there are different interpretations, it would be better if border information as it would be difficult to be certain of the information given. Kostja (talk) 14:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is a source on the rise of the Bulgarians in 1185. It says the Cumans or Vlachs were allies of the Bulgarians during there revolt and later became vassals. This article (see map) suggests that the Cumans were independent from Bulgaria in 1200. But, under Ivan Asen II of Bulgaria Cuman territories are suddenly Bulgarian without a fight. The question is wether the Cumans were allies or vassals of the Bulgarians.Daanschr (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The map in the Vlach-Bulgarian Rebellion indicates that the area north of the Danube was vassal to Bulgaria, while the map in Kaloyan of Bulgaria indicates that Bulgaria exercised some influence north of the Danube. So it seems that at least it's agreed that Bulgaria had some control north of the Danube, though how much is unclear. Kostja (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Than the border should be 1241, when the Mongolian Empire conquered Wallachia and invaded Bulgaria. Since 1241, there was a border between Bulgaria and the Mongolians. But, i still will like to keep the question open, because we don't know enough about the Cumans.Daanschr (talk) 17:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I will adjust the article with new info.Daanschr (talk) 07:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Balkan Wars

Hugh Poulton "Who are the Macedonians" now? The source says nothing of the kind. He doesn't even mention Kukush. This went to RSN, and you lost. If it had gone the other way, I would have respected the result from RSN. It would be good form of you to respect the verdict of RSN now. You win some, you lose some. I know you are a reasonable guy. Now would be the time to act like one. Athenean (talk) 07:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

First Bulgarian State

Instead of using websites as references for the "First Bulgarian State", you might try some of these sources instead:,,. --Kansas Bear (talk) 08:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the sources! Kostja (talk) 08:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Can we discuss the issues? From my part I am ready to do it, but before you rv everything. This is not an article that we cannot find solutions. If you agree come to the talk page where I already I have posted my points. If you cannot find the exact refs I will provide them to you. Tell me what you cannot find.--Factuarius (talk) 13:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

See my answer here --Factuarius (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)