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Welcome to my talk page. If you've come to complain, whine, moan, question my judgment, my intelligence, my sanity, or tell me off in anyway, that's fine. I'm a big girl who can take it.If you've come to chat, compliment me, have a laugh, or discuss articles that's even better.

Could I talk with you through email

Hello, sorry if this is the wrong place, but you said to talk to you here and I didn't see an email address. Anyways, I'm starting a Wiki site and had some questions about a few things. My email is bucklerchad@comcast.net I think the wiki site I'm starting is pretty cool and if you're the wrong person to speak with, cold you let me know who I could speak with regarding this issue? Thanks SOO much !  :)

Esperanza made less bureaucratic

Hello again, I have (unilatterly) taken away the 'assembly' idea, as per my reasons at that edit summary and per Misplaced Pages talk:Esperanza/Charter. I have left the admin general, as some leadership is good. Now, all you have to do is be a member to establish consensus, the whole assembly idea is gone. Also, I have added an advisory committee, of four members, with limited power besides watching over the admin general and making sure he doesn't do anything stupid. Please look at the ammended charter, and I would love a comment. Redwolf24 (talk) 00:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

The last time I'm spamming you all with Esperanza stuff

Hello Theresa knott. As you may or may not know, there have been some troubles with Esperanza. So now, as a last ditch to save the community, please vote at Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Reform on all neccisary polls. P.S. I'm very sorry for spamming you all with these messages, and this will be the last time. I recommend putting ESP on your watchlist. Cheers and please look at that, let's stop the civil war then. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:53, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Unacceptable deleting tactics

User:Ted Wilkes has repeatedly deleted paragraphs from talk and article pages. See , , , . He even falsely claimed to have moved content from the Talk:Elvis Presley/Homosexuality page to the Talk:Elvis Presley/Sexuality page, but the content has been totally deleted. See .

There are similar deleting tactics by User:Wyss. See , , , , , , .

DotSix case: New sockpuppet?

I believe User:Ehrlich might (I'm not sure) be a sockpuppet of injoined user Adrigo/DotSix (Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/DotSix). He has the same peculiar theses, is a very recent user who nevertheless knows wikipedia policies well and edits the same pages as the injoined user did. Are you the one I should ask IP check to? Thanks. Jules LT 18:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Recommended vote change re: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/DoYouDo

Hello, I recommend a change of vote to Merge and redirect to anonymous matching. That article will sum up the history, development, and current state of these systems. DoYouDo was one of the first, and holds the patent on the process; however, eCRUSH and some others that were already operating when the patent was registered in 1999 were apparently grandfathered in and thus are able to continue operating without being licensed by DoYouDo. 205.217.105.2 21:12, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Stevertigo arbitration

Sorry to bother you, but there is one key unresolved issue (finding of fact one way or the other) that is not currently being voted on in the proposed decision page. Please see User talk:Fred Bauder#Stevertigo arbitration: one key finding of fact is not resolved. -- Curps 16:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Huge blocks

I appreciate your effort in getting rid of skyring, but do you really think blocking all of bigpond is worth it? He's pretty easy to spot and revert, and I suspect that block is making a lot of australian wikiaddicts very unhappy right now. --fvw* 22:09, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The blocks are only for 15mins though. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 22:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but still... Oh well, 15 minutes of quiet is nice, and with your new block I think you've effectively blocked an entire continent, which is kind of nice for novelty-value. --fvw* 22:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

You are right. I won't do it again. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 22:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Please Help

Please help, please undo what DreamGuy reinserted in the Otherkin article, he does tihs without discussion, which cannot be allowed, and pursues a defamitory adgenda in the article, which is one of the main points of his arbitration. please remove what he inserted. i do not wish to get me into trouble, or to deal with him any more, so i ask you really nicely to make his defamitory adgenda come to an end...Gimmiet 04:06, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I won't remove the see also link, because I think it should be there. Also he didn't do it without discussion, the discussion is on the talk page. I don't know what you mean by "defamitory adgenda" :-( Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 06:06, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

I unblocked 71Demon, apparently he made that fourth revert while I was typing the warning. *facepalm* --Phroziac 06:20, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom elections

Hello, Theresa knott/archive13. In case you haven't noticed, I'm writing a special series on the upcoming 2005 ArbCom elections for The Misplaced Pages Signpost. In the October 17 issue, we will be profiling the current ArbCom members. Note that this should not be a platform for re-election; rather, it should serve as an insight into what you feel about the ArbCom, and your opinions of it are. Thus, I hope you don't mind answering a few questions. Many thanks!

1. Are up for re-election this year?
2. If so, do you plan to run for re-election?
3. How do you feel about serving on the ArbCom?
4. What do you think are the strengths of the ArbCom?
5. Weaknesses?
6. If you could change anything, what would you change? Why?
7. Do you regret accepting your position? Why or why not?
8. If you could say one thing to the current ArbCom candidates, what would you say, and why?
9. Do you think your job is easy? Hard? Explain.
10. Looking in retrospective, is there anything you would have done differently?
11. Do you feel that the ArbCom is appreciated by the community? If not, how do you think that could be changed?
12. What is the most frustrating thing about being on the ArbCom? Enjoyable?

I hope you didn't mind me bombarding with you with questions; by no means feel obligated to answer all (or any) of them. Thanks for serving Misplaced Pages, and for taking your time to help a Signpost reporter! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 14:07, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

1.No next year

2.NA

3.I feel proud to be trusted by the community.

4. I don't know, i'm too close to it to be able to judge.

5. Still to slow for most cases.

6. I'd make it less formal and less legalistic.

7. A bit. Most of my time on wikipedia used to be spend editing, drawing diagrams and socialing. Now much of my times is spending reading endless talk pages and trying to fathom out what to do about disruptive/nasty POV pushing nutcases. It's soul destroying. But someone's gotta do it.

8. You have no idea the amount of time this will suck up.

9. Ocassionally easy (some cases are straightforward but not many), but usually hard.

(more answes later) Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 15:23, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses so far! If you would like to add more to your answers, feel free to do so. However, in order to give me time to write for Monday's issue, I would appreciate it if you could have the rest of your answers by either Thurday or Friday. Many thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 19:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank You on the Banning

• • Thank You Theresa, and thank you Phorziac for you apology. Too many people in todays world forget, little things like that mean alot. --71Demon 14:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Theresa. Do you still have this image file for Misplaced Pages:How to draw a diagram with Microsoft Word ? Someone has deleted it and it can't be restored. I tried. :-( Do you mind re-uploading it, please ? -- PFHLai 02:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Help

A year ago you helped my wife and I on keeping the Michael E. Berumen article when it came under attack. Now they want to delete it, again. Could you weigh in with your opinion on proposal for deletion? I feel railroaded on the whole thing. Thanks. icut4u 14:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:RFAR/SV

Re: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Stevertigo/Proposed_decision#Ommision_of_fact

I understand that some are quite busy and may have missed recent discussion and questions regarding my Arbcom matter. Ive taken the liberty of posting here to remedy any inadvertent oversight regarding my case. Sinreg, St|eve 22:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

The Signpost

Hello, Theresa Knott! I just wanted to deliver this week's issue of The Misplaced Pages Signpost, which features the current ArbCom, directly to your front door. :-) Also, if you wish to read your fellow Arbitrators' full and unabridged responses, you can find them here. Thanks again for all your help! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 21:19, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

-- A WikiThanks for you :-) Have a good day! --HappyCamper 01:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

You are welcome. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 01:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

ANI reverts

Hey, I looked up those IP's, last one being 203.51.32.209, they are 203.48.0.0/14 if you wanted to temp block the range.

inetnum: 203.48.0.0 - 203.51.255.255

netname: TELSTRAINTERNET3-AU

descr: Telstra Internet

descr: Locked Bag 5744

descr: Canberra

descr: ACT 2601

country: AU «»Who?¿? 01:14, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a massive block! I've been chastised for much smaller rangeblocks than this. I think reverting is the best way to go for now. It's bothersome but has little or no collateral damage. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 01:23, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I agree, I was thinking a 15 minute just to curb the vandalism, maybe make them think they can't edit anymore. Otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it, sorry I didn't specify earlier. «»Who?¿? 01:29, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Holy crap! DON'T block that subnet!!! That's quite literally the biggest ISP in Australia!!! Block an individual IP address, but for heavens sake don't block the entire subnet! - Ta bu shi da yu 14:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Some help for image needed

Hello. I came across an image of you at Image:Transit_diagram_angles.png as I want to use a german translated version of this image (de:Bild:Venuskonstellation.png) for a free book about the solar system (based on Misplaced Pages articles; books out of Misplaced Pages article collections are currently the next wiki evolution step in german language Misplaced Pages). However you did not provide a license but this was added by a third person, see . As the German version also gives another license there is a bit confusion about the right license, so I would be happy if you can indicate the right free license for this image so that I can reuse it according to what you intended. Many thanks in advance, Arnomane 01:38, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

All my diagrams are dual licenced under the GFDL and CC atribution share alike. Feel free to ise it under whichever licence you want. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 01:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your quick answer. Arnomane 02:38, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Wisdom of 3RR block

I see you unblocked User:Jredmond. Was I out of line to apply this block, in your view? Should I handle such a situation differently another time? If so, how. I am a fairly new admin, and this is my first case of blocking for 3RR. DES 20:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

You did certainly did exactly the right thing by posting you actions to the AN for review. So I wouldn't sweat it. The reason that I undid the block was because I felt that this was not really an edit war as such. One person was inserting their own POV into an article, being incivil about it, ignoring requests for a cite,and ignoring attempts at dialogue on their talk page. The other person was being civil, was removing POV material, and attempting dialogue. There is no need to treat these two equally because they were not behaving equally. Edit wars (in my book anyway) are when two people choose to revert rather than discuss. Slap them both with blocks when that is the situation. Actually I'm not a big fan of blocking for edit warring unless it's really bad. In this case protecting the page was another option that may have worked to calm things down and force a discussion. Anyway, don't assume that just because you are a new admin that my disagreeing with the block means you were wrong to block. I have been known to be wrong many times before. You did what you thought was right, so did I. The community will judge us both. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 22:25, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Alex Kemp

Hi there, I notice you removed the speedy tag that I had applied from this page. I'd be grateful to know why you removed it, and in particular the claim to notability that you identified. This is so I can apply A7 notices with more prudence in the future! Many thanks, Sliggy 14:07, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually it was my bad i think. I was going through candidates for speedy deletion last night deleting or not as the case merited when I came across the article and noticed that it had a vfd template on it as well as the speedy template. I had a quick read through, figured - well the author seemed to think that receiving a commendation from Blair was notable so thought it best to let vfd sort it out. I must confess I didn't read the vfd debate. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 21:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, thanks for replying. Cheers, Sliggy 23:52, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll have you know

you just deleted a valid adminatorial candidate--Lapsed canadian 21:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)#

LOL. I will continue to do so I'm afraid. I'm all for a bit of a laugh myself, but some people get all het up about trolling, so I just remove it whenever i see it. Have you fun somewhere else. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 21:28, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

You're just afraid that people would vote overwhealmingly to make me a bonified admin--Lapsed Canadian 21:47, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes that's exactly right. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 21:49, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

See how intuative I am--Lapsed Canadian 21:59, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Anonymous editor

I have reverted your edits on this RfA because they were made after User:Durin closed it. Feel free to add them to the talk page if you would still like your view to be seen, however as of now that page is meant to be an archive of sentiment at the time of closing and not continuously update. gren グレン 12:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Sharp Eye

I want to thank you for reverting the History of Palestine just now from its unwarranted anti-Semitic vandalism. I saw the change on the "Recent Changes" page, and I was about to change it, but I saw that you did it. I just want to tell you to keep up the good work, and thank you for seeing a bad edit immediately.--Seth Goldin 01:10, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Aetherometry (sigh)

Aetherometry seems to have lapsed into the same old cycle. Protect again, perhaps? William M. Connolley 09:30, 29 October 2005 (UTC).

It's not too bad at the moment and the article is being activly edited. I hate protecting articles - last resort only. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 09:45, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... well I'm up to my 3 reverts today so shall leave it... William M. Connolley 17:11, 29 October 2005 (UTC).

Afro textured hair

The user does not own all (or likely any) of the websites from which those pictures were taken; when one does a simple internet search for "nappy hair", "afro pick", etc, these images are among the first Google Images hits. I don't want to bite the newbies, but what should be done? He's already complaining about people editing "his" page. --FuriousFreddy 08:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm interesting. I'll investigate. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 08:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Proposed principles on Workshop page

Hi. I would just like to point out that I added them after seeing that this had been done in other cases . Possible other cases also. Ultramarine 17:08, 30 October 2005 (UTC) I'm discussing with my fellow arbitrators now if it's wise to allow involved parties to propose things on the workshop. Rest assured though, even if we decide not to allow you to do it, we won't hold it against you. The "impersonating an arbitrator" accusation is daft. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 17:13, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Update - (that was quick wasn't it? You see we can work quickly at times) My fellow arbitrators disagree so i've reversed my deletions and will be commenting on them shortly. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 17:20, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for defending the article CIA leak grand jury investigation. I spent over 20 hours researching and verifying information about the attorneys, courts, and laws. So, as you can imagine, I was shocked and disappointed that some one could wipe away all this work.--FloNight 01:31, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

no problem it was a complete no brainer. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 06:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Junk food

I've created the above-mentioned category. Please add any items to this category if necessary. --202.40.210.244 05:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Our old friend Cheung1303? --Michael Snow 05:31, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Could be. It's difficult to be sure. I'll keep an eye out for him. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 15:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Defense

Yes, I do plan on it, but it will be a while. Everyking 22:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I will do it at my own pace. The ArbCom shouldn't have gotten things moving so early, considering I requested time at the outset. Everyking 23:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Then you risk being ignored. You don't get to set the pace. We would have been happy to allow all the time you need if we say any progress whatsoever. But you are just stalling. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:12, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I will try to get started on it sometime this month. If it suits the ArbCom, I'll agree to not post anything on AN or AN/I until my defense has been prepared. That way I have little to gain by "stalling". Everyking 23:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I'll put your offer to the other arbitrators to see what they think. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:24, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I've decided to reject your offer, too. Why doesn't the ArbCom answer questions I pose to it on the discussion pages? Everyking 06:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Followup on personal info

Is there anythign to do about where the Page History section shows the summery of deleted revisions? DES 23:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

User:63.226.28.130

I reblocked this anon for 1 week because of his previous history. (block log) If there are any issues, or you wanna drink some cheap wine; I'll be around. - RoyBoy 16:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I was aware of good edits, (I looked at Erotomania) while checking history. I was not aware it is a proxy, I do have a different blocking policy per proxies. On the flip side this vandal is particularly productive. At times I also employ bait and switch blocks for hard proxy cases (long block, which is then switched to short block to perhaps to put off the vandal, but limit collateral damage).

Ooh that's a sneaky one. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 15:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

In the end if the block works according to the shortest block; then it ends up working out. Question, which is then displayed to the IP, the shortest block, or the first block? - RoyBoy 23:11, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I'll do some experimenting. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 15:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Quackery, Fakery, and other forms of utter stupidity

Thanks Theresa for standing against the Both the zealots and the crackpots in trying to preserve a NPOV. If collobration is the Key, ( which I surly believe that it is...), then I am on your side. What is next to do? The article has been slashdotted, so after the smoke clears, we can get to work. I do believe that this mans work is therotically ok. But like the Wimper Theory of the universe, by Hoyle, its only a matter of simple persepctive. I think that Its impossible to derive energy from this, but that we can all benefit from the understanding. I have been wrong before. What is next to do? Artoftransformation 00:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Whereas I think that it's probably junk. But there's the rub - probably leaves that little window of doubt - you never know! I'm not familiar with the wimper thoery. Is that the steady state theory by another name? Anyway as for the article - We need to leave it be for a few days until things settle after the slashdotting. Then hopefully we can work together on improving it. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 15:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Wimper is a variation of steady state, put forth by Hoyle, and this lovely Chap named 'Chandra Wickramasinghe'. I Love that last name. Professor of Astronomy at Cardiff. He is on the list of British Astronomers, which I seem to have lost, and is NOT on the list of Astronomers. Anyway, Wimper is Steady state with point of refrence - Universe is fixed size, and we are growing smaller. Quite a stir, Wickramasinghe showed that its consistant with Einsten's equations.

I have sufficently hacked up the article Hydrino theory, so that now there is enought food for thought, and I have grown my skill at NPOV! Whee! Im on my way to be a StickiWiki! Er... a side effect of all this NPOV stuff, is I have developed a bad habit of bad puns. Really bad Puns. like joke-warfair type puns. Anyway, Feel free to leave me some notes on my talk page. --69.181.232.116 12:34, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

And please keep in mind, that if You see my static IP, My house plants are winning the intellectual battles around my house. --Artoftransformation 02:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

User:156.63.193.62

Back to vandalizing as of October 21, 2005. Wasn't there going to be a long-term ban on this IP? Thanks for your help in any case! BeteNoir 03:01, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, he hasn't edited since oct25. So a long term block doesn't look necessaryat the moment. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 15:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright questions

Could you please take a look at the discussion in Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Hatshepsut/archive1 over copyright status of images and the inclusion of Image:Hatshepsut in Civ4.jpg, which is a screenshot of Hatshepsut as the AI leader of Egypt in Civ4, in the Hatshepsut article in a section about her influence in popular culture including her appearance in that game and others. Thanks. -JCarriker 06:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

HTML tidy broken

The problem is not with my signature. The codes are perfect. The problem is that something has gone wrong on Misplaced Pages with its recognition of codes. It was probably a screw-up by some faulty bot. There is nothing I can do about it. A lot of people's signatures are being similarly screwed up. So is your talk page. It took nine attempts to get to it. I kept getting Parse error: parse error, unexpected $, expecting ')' in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/Parser.php on line 3743. The technical guys have been told they screwed up and need to fix it. Until they do there is nothing I can do. FearÉireann

What you can do in the meantime is is remove the html code from your sig altogether. This won't fix the old pages that are screwed up but will prevent any more screw ups until they get the the HTML validator fixed. Theresa Knott ] 06:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I've got a good workaround for this. Put ~~~ in, Preview the page, copy the HTML that shows up, and paste that in followed by ~~~~~ (which just adds the timestamp). — PhilHibbs | talk 17:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Films

If those are the kind of films you like, I recommend Sin City. It has a lot in common with Blade Runner, Pulp Fiction and Fight Club. — PhilHibbs | talk 17:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Images, fair use, and a whole lotta deletion

You probably know there's a list of orphaned fair use images to be deleted knocking about on the toolserver, and admins are deleting bunches of these - much-needed cleanup work. Anyway, point is, so far, it's turned up two of the diagrams you did for Misplaced Pages:How to draw a diagram with Microsoft Word, and I'm puzzling over their fair use status. Yes, they're "screenshots of copyrighted computer software" - can we use them outside of articles though, given the manner in which you're using them - which is educational, at least.

The two in particular I've come across are:

• Image:Drawing toolbar.png
• Image:Centreing an imagepng.png

Your comments would be appreciated. I've no idea what to do with these. Rob Church 03:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Chad Bryant/Rec.sport.pro-wrestling

Theresa, back during the Ides of March you requested that Chadbryant not continue to add information into the Rec.sport.pro-wrestling entry that he was placing into the article which was causing numerous online disputes and several "edit wars" on the entry itself. You may go visit the site's talk page to verify this if you have forgotten by now (and I wish I were one of the lucky ones who had). Anyway, he's back, up to his old tricks, and putting the information in again. As soon as I (or anyone else for that matter) remove the information, he puts it back in claiming "vandalism" as a result of its removal. It's silly, it's stupid, it's petty, it's immature, and it's incorrect. There is no "vandalism," just some lonely, bitter, petty man somewhere out in Cyberspace trying to forget that he's alone for the holidays. Can you do me and everyone else a favor and remind him that while he makes a good turkey, nobody wants to see what sort of stuffing he has available? Thanks a bunch! -- RSPW Poster

Chad Bryant/Rec.sport.pro-wrestling

Theresa, back during the Ides of March you requested that Chadbryant not continue to add information into the Rec.sport.pro-wrestling entry that he was placing into the article which was causing numerous online disputes and several "edit wars" on the entry itself. You may go visit the site's talk page to verify this if you have forgotten by now (and I wish I were one of the lucky ones who had). Anyway, he's back, up to his old tricks, and putting the information in again. As soon as I (or anyone else for that matter) remove the information, he puts it back in claiming "vandalism" as a result of its removal. It's silly, it's stupid, it's petty, it's immature, and it's incorrect. There is no "vandalism," just some lonely, bitter, petty man somewhere out in Cyberspace trying to forget that he's alone for the holidays. Can you do me and everyone else a favor and remind him that while he makes a good turkey, nobody wants to see what sort of stuffing he has available? Thanks a bunch! -- RSPW Poster

complete failure of wikipedia NPOV policy

This article Talk:Palestinian_exodus is a complete failure of wikipedia NPOV policy. Nearly 3 years ago it was anti-Palestinian. Now not a shred of that POV remaind and it is completely biased to the other side. I have edited this article for a week, yet every single word i changed there got reverted by a coordinated revert gang which is able to circumvent in this way the 3RR rule. It seems that unless I am able to get a "gang" of my own:-) there is no point trying to get this article to be NPOV. slim and jayjg are involved yet they too do not make any contribution toward NPOV. This is not what Misplaced Pages is all about but it is what wikipedia has become.

I don't have the time or the organized manpower as the other side to go through the usual Misplaced Pages mechanism. These mechanisms have failed in this article. In 3 years not a single Misplaced Pages admin was able to make significant contribution to make this article NPOV. This is a symptom to other anti-Israel systematic bias that is spread all over wikipedia and I suggest you find a way to address it as I can't. Zeq 18:49, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Auto independence

Found your comment from six months ago, nothing was followed up, and I coudltn get over the US centrism in it, then realised I should suggest to you it gets the chop seeing the person never responded! whatcha think? apart from my inability to hit keys in order? vcxlor 08:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Theresa Knott's good work

Well, it appears you've been doing your job particularly well -- http://www.aetherometry.com/antiwikipedia/awp_index.html

So I thought you needed a hearty slap on the back for the good work you've been doing. Raul654 20:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, that's why I came to this page also, to commend The Star Token on her effort to keep pseudoscience from establishing a beachhead here. Aumakua 15:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

LOL What a flattering picture of me. Thanks for your support - I'm sorry it's taken me so long to reply, real life has taken up rather too much of my time lately. Theresa Knott ] 23:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, love the image. - David Gerard 14:08, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for input

There are a series of links on the Second_law_of_thermodynamics which address a subject which, by consensus, is not covered in the article. There is a discussion at Talk:Second_law_of_thermodynamics/creationism. I removed the links, which were reverted back in. IMHO, these belong in Creation-evolution controversy or Creation science. I would appreciate an outside view, as I am not a physicist, nor even a scientist. And since I know you aren't very busy (ok, horrible joke!) I thought of you. KillerChihuahua 16:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

re: tote thanks

This Christmas, give the gift of anagrams. The no-trek sat. :-) BDAbramson T 18:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Um... the Kent roast? Tentrake host? BDAbramson T 18:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy New Year - "ask her to tent". BDAbramson T 22:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Do you support the creation of a Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Code of Conduct as I have just now suggested at User talk:Jimbo Wales#A sincere question? - Ted Wilkes 18:26, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

(--Georg Wrede:) IMHO, the laws of thermodynamics should not be brought up at all (!!!!!) in contexts where creationism, god, or some such are looming.

Why?? Well, the laws of thermodynamics say that there is only a amount of energy available. Energy is a finite constant, that does not increase, nor decrease. We had the Big Bang, ok, and then there's been energy and matter around. Some of them are getting consumed in Black Holes. Recently (however) we've been told that energy can actually escape from those black holes, thanks to the Uncertainty Principle. Still, this does not help, because the Current Wisdom of Scientists dictates that the Universe will be expanding forever, and hence, (because of the same energy getting diluted into an ever expanding volume -- fridges, anyone?) the universe will eventually cool to zero degrees Absolute.

If that weren't bad enough for the scientists, the question of Where Did all the energy for the Big Bang come from?

Irrespectible of whether one believes in god , the laws of thermodynamics are like the Newtonian equations for Celestial Mechanics. In other words, (and sarcastically!) whatever happens in Nature, sooner or later there comes a Mathematician who's figured out formulas that "explain" what's going on. (Within the observable domain!! And only that!!)

The laws of thermodynamics hold for a Contained System. Naturally, one would be inclined to extend those laws to the entire universe, but then one does forget that there _never_ was anything linear _without_ bounds. (This holds for mechanical concepts, as well as theoretical, abstract models.)

To summarize:

A man sits on a pier, angling. Next to him sits his dog. The man is contemplating Plate Tectonics (which incidentally, were denied by the Scinetific Community for nearly a half Century).

The dog, sits there and ponders upon what the man might be thinking about.

Now, we sit here, pondering upon the Creation of the Universe, the Existence of god, (not to mention the collaterals -- which most of us either deny off hand, or later deny deliberately), without any of us really realizing that we're the Dog.

Do I really have to go on?????

Re-Publication of Your Images

I am in the process of revising a textbook on television criticism, Television: Critical Methods and Applications. I'm very interested in using your Image:Cathode ray Tube.PNG in my book. I've read through the GNU Free Documentation License under which it's published and I believe textbook use is an acceptable use--assuming that I do not claim to copyright the image myself. However, I thought it best to check with you about this and to receive your blessing (or not). Also, what would be appropriate acknowledgement in my book for your image? Thanks! --Jeremy Butler 21:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

That's absolutly fine by me. I am delighted that you would want to use my image! As far as I am concerned appropriate acknowledgement would be my name and a mention of Misplaced Pages Theresa Knott ] 23:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Excellent! Thanks! --Jeremy Butler 20:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

News from Esperanza

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Signature

You should really fix your signature. --cesarb 02:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 03:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo's user page

It's been reverted: 12:57, 21 December 2005 JiFish (revert; as far as I am aware Jimbo considers himself sole founder and this is a userpage not an article) Also, I didn't mean to say "vandalism", just revert. I just pasted what was on the clipboard, because I've been reverting vandalism.Macintosh User 18:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh in that case fine. I have no pr0blem with you reverting, only classifying the anons edit as vandalism. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 18:08, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I know

I haven't had a good argument like this since my K5 days. And when he gives you lines like "I'll type more slowly for Ta bu, and correct a typo or two in the process:", with which I can respond with "Yes, that's right. Typing more slowly will certainly help me read your comments better.", and his comment "I wonder if Misplaced Pages is harboring any other fugitives from justice?"... well, this is the sort of thing you only normally hear from George W. It's a rare pleasure to read such gems. - Ta bu shi da yu 18:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

He certainly is funny! Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 18:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Kmweber

Alright then, I'll try to let you guys deal with it and try not to say "I told you so" too loudly when he goes back to doing this. I'd also suggest making part of his punishment mandatory Mentorship. I have little to no interest in getting chided for trying to save Misplaced Pages from itself anymore. I'll head back to my little corner of things. karmafist 22:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S-I don't have alot of respect for the arbcom system anymore, but I do for most of the individuals on it, especially with you, Mindspillage and David Gerard in particular.

Thank you. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 07:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Your alive!

For a few weeks there I though you might have been eaten by on of the Queen's hats or something. Glad to see you back. -JCarriker 07:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I was real busy in real life. But school has broken up know, so I have much more free time for the next couple of weeks at least. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 07:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Objection

I am very offended by your signature. I'll have you know I am not tasty (yes, I've tried) and even if I was I wouldn't let people try it. You are being monstrously insensitive to the feelings of all us Korns out here. 13:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC) Note to any American readers: this is a joke.

Oh I know you are not tasty. I use the phrase as a threat here for example. Obviously you are not going to let people taste you. We will simply have to hold you down. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 13:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

warning!

i am back.  :-D " let the chaos begin", or some such... reallly tho, how you been?Gimmiet 13:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I've been great. Welcome back. Let me know if I can help you in anyway.I'd love for you not to get into any sort of trouble this time. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 13:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

User:AustinKnight

Out of interest, have you seen his contributions? This particular user is basically causing a considerable amount of bother on Misplaced Pages. His statement to the anon about tracking them down is just one thing I have a problem with. AustinKnight has, in my view, been harassing Jimbo Wales (though I know he can take care of himself), POV pushing and ad hominem attacks on the David R. Hawkins article and talk page. He did excessive reverts on the article also, though this may be explained by how new he is to the site. Perhaps the following might be interesting:

You mean, Willmcw? Oh yeah, he does that. He's an admin, and tends to delete content that he doesn't like, or disagrees with his point of view, rather than edit it as he is supposed to...usually with an off-subject/hyperbolic reference in the edit summary so as to throw others off as to what he's actually doing. As a Wiki fan, you should get used to this, as there is nothing that you can do about it. Maybe you should refer to the complaints page? Jimmy Wales said in the CNN transcript that Misplaced Pages is very responsive to complaints. Why don't you try that, as your complaint here was clearly otherwise ignored? "You should bring up these larger issues elsewhere." ;-) --AustinKnight 06:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

As you can see, not a pleasant comment, and quite unfounded if I may say so myself. Then AustinKnight decides that it would be appropriate to rant on about Misplaced Pages in the Dawkins article! Or perhaps let's look at the following comment on Talk:Abercrombie & Fitch Co.:

You're an undergraduate at USC who seeks employment in the fashion/clothing industry. That's all well and good, and I very sincerely wish you good luck -- not least of which because I am a USC grad as well ('78) -- but at the same time your choice of major brings to mind the matter of "conflict of interest" with respect to structuring this article.

IMO, this is a clear ad hominem attack. However, check out the context for yourself: Talk:Abercrombie & Fitch Co.#Concerning recent changes. Overall, I can't say I'm very impressed. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Yep he's certainly prone to making ad hominid attacks. I suggest people simply delete them. I'm a believer in Remove personal attacks half policy or whatever it is. I think we should just watch him for the time being. If he continues acting in the way he has been doing he's going to end up getting himself banned, but we should go through rfc first. He should be given every chance possible to stop it. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 17:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

I would like to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year. Guettarda 17:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! Many Happy returns to you too. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

That goes for me too, Theresa :) Ta bu shi da yu 14:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Query

There are a few complaints against me that I find...insane. My RFA(dminship) voting style is accused of being Boothyesque. Not only is this mysterious to me (no one has provided any reasonable diffs or any particular RFAs) but I hardly see how it violates any policy. Wasnt Boothy brought to an RFC/RFA(rbitration) for this? Didn't nothing happen? Have I somehow done something different than Radiant and Zordrac have been doing for quite some time? freestylefrappe 22:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

There are a lot of complaints against you. I accepted the case based on the more serious ones. If you choose to vote in RFAs in a daft manner (and I didn't look into this particular accusation in detail so I don't know if you do or don't) then I expect your vote would simply be ignored by the beaurocrat. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 07:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

......So you're not going to answer my question? Thats fine. I dont appreciate your comment on my talkpage nor the above statement. As for using my admin powers, I reject your suggestion. I never abused my powers and I'm tired of getting harassed by belligerant users with vendettas against me because I voted against their RFAs. freestylefrappe 19:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

The nice thing about a wiki is everything is logged. It really doesn't matter who accuses you - your actions speak for yourself.I was trying to reassure you that I see how you vote on WP:RFA as a relatively trivial matter. I was certainly not angry (as you have suggested in your question to Mindspillage I'm sorry that you don't appreciate my comments on your talk page - there is nothing I can do about that unfortanately. You protected your own talk page. This is an abuse of admin powers I'm afraid, and you must expect a bit of a lecture if you do that. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 20:00, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

All I want is a yes or no to my above question. It's either nonsense or completely valid. I was under the impression that my RFA voting style was moot. freestylefrappe 23:05, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

As far as i am concerned (and obviously I don't speak for the whole AC) your RFA voting style is moot. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Your Comment In My Comments

Recently, Rbj (talk · contribs) attempted to open a vendetta rfar against me and Phroziac. Freestylefrappe saw this, as he has apparently had a vendetta against me since I blocked him for 3RR during the Kumanovo affair, and offered to assist/asked for help from Rbj in assualting my character.

I'd like to ask you to remove your comment from my comments, as I assume it was just a misunderstanding, i'll try to clarify better there. karmafist 23:35, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I put my comment in your evidence because you were interpreting his motives rather than just stating what he did. The only diff you gave shows essentially an offer of help. It didn't say he was going to help assalt your character. If you have evidence otherwise add it in and I'll happily remove my comment. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Ironically enough, I was doing as you said just now. Ok, back to work. :-) karmafist 23:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Alright, there we go. Thanks for making me be more specific in my description, hopefully that'll be able to help the entire committee. karmafist 23:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!

Re : User:Regforafd

Hi Theresa,

I thought I was still blocked. Because per policy I am not allowed to remove blocks on myself.

Thanks for your message. I'll reply now.

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 21:46, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration

Thank you for the note. I've been wondering whether I wasn't annoying the arbitors (and complainants) by making the evidence sections longer / complicating otherwise largely one-sided cases. Complete angels don't need advocates and defending people who fall short of that standard is bound to result in some collateral annoyance. It is good to hear that someone appreciates it. I looked into the AMA, but it seemed largely defunct and there were some unspecific comments about arbitors finding it unhelpful. I'll try to keep an eye out for people who could use a hand, but I really have no idea how you all handle the workload. --CBD _☎ 21:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Parys = Pedo?

Hello you asked about the Mandy Moore thing. Well look at the history, on many occasions they have blanked info, sometimes the entire pages, or they put in information that is damaging to me. for example

"THIS ARTICLE KEEPS BEING REVERTED TO IT'S ORIGINAL FORM BY PARYS, DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT HAS WRONG INFORMATION. PARYS WAS ALSO PART OF THE CRYSTAL CHERRY HOAX ON WIKIPEDIA THAT WAS DELETED.

(even though i didnt create it but w/e)

PARYS HAS ALSO BEEN CHASTIZED ON MANDY'S OFFICIAL MESSAGE BOARD FOR DOING THIS BUT HE CONTINUES TO MALICIOUSLY PUT UP INFORMATION HERE THAT HE KNOWS IS WRONG. SOMEBODY PLEASE REPORT HIM TO ADMINISTRATORS. (absolutely false!)

MANDY HAS GOOD LEGAL GROUNDS FOR SUING HIM FOR LIBEL. IF PARYS CONTINUES TO PUT UP WRONG INFORMATION HERE THAT IS HURTING HER CAREER FINANCIALLY I WILL REPORT PARYS TO MANDY'S MANAGER AND LAW FIRM. (which is upsurd! mandy is no way affected by this financially #1 and threats of legal action by some yahoo on the internet is tacky.)" And this happen december 26, 2005

It get's worst. In the Once Moore history she describes me as some perv who wrote a book on child porn. I pinpointed the very place where it comes from, UCLA, in their library and i am already in the process of legal action. This person, who is behind each one of those IP's should be banned. Misplaced Pages is not a place to threaten, insult, or attack people. Parys

Innocent?

Hey Theresa you've just deleted my post http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=33001732&oldid=32997582 What's your problem? I posted there because I was waiting an answer on that topic. You seem that you quickly dived into things that you don't understand. Bonaparte talk 15:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed it because you refused to provide any evidence. Without evidence it sure looks like trolling. I'm happy for you to post on the AN but please back up what you say with some diffs. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 15:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but do you realise that the last time when I posted I was blocked? I don't want this any more. Since when I am blocked nobody can speak for me, defend, etc. It's good not to be blocked. Now we should debate the principles. When the time comes I will confronte the results of this with the behaviour of that Admin. -- Bonaparte talk 15:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

This is the forum to discuss this. Yes I've seen, thanks. I keep your page on my watchlist for a while. -- Bonaparte talk 16:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

What is there to debate? You think admins shouldn't be allowed to abuse their admin powers. So do I. So do all responsible admins. What do you want to discuss? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Well that's in theory. In practice it is not. For example, my case. I am the victim of certain Admin. From beginning he blocked me very harsh just because I had very strong arguments in order to take a better position in a debate. So, he kept blocking me, and nobody cares about it. He even called me in a very personal attack in different names. I have never called him like that, I always brought arguments but he brought arguments of power.

I need evidence before I can do anything. Do you want me to do something? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes! If you can, I would like you to help me. Bonaparte talk 16:10, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

1. Mikka User:Mikkalai lies again. He said he will unblock me to have the chance to defend myself. This is a lie of course.

When I try to edit I'll get the block message: (cut by tk)

I saw indeed that he said he is unblocking Bonaparte but actually he never did that or at least he made something that my IP is still blocked.

You don't know that for sure. I will look at the blog log.

:3. He said that he protected the page at a version which both sides considered fair and only me I was against it. 

Had he edited the page before he protected it?

Proof: Look at what other editors told him about his bias edits and abuse of Admin: - Ronline, Dpotop, Anittas, Jmabel.

I need diffs Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

To proove that so-called Moldovan language is identical with Romanian I gave an example of the two costitutions. With this example we have the proof that they are identical. After all a constitution is written in the official language isn't it? But he constantly deleted my example. Why? Because in this way we proove that they are wrong! How many times they reverted my examples? at least 20 times! Do you find a good approach like his "so called neutral approach " or "third party"?

Rerverting is not an abuse of admin powers.

The identity is more than obvious. It is a self evidence.

Not to me it isn't. I know nothing of languages but I see no reason why constititions have to be written in a local language. In England many official documents were written in latin. Latin is not the same as English.

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User:Dpotop said: (http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Woohookitty#The_Moldovan_language_page_should_remain_blocked)

The main problem of this page is that one of the camps is composed of exactly two persons (User:Node ue and User:Mikkalai), so that blocking User:Node ue is perceived as creating a bias in the editing process. Therefore, the banning measure used quite often by User:Mikkalai on extreme users of the other side is not applied to User:Node ue, even when he largely transgresses the rules of civility (actually, it's me that he first labelled as "koncenii" which is a russian language obscenity).

Are you saying that User:Mikkalai blocked you and not him for exactly the same "crimes" ?

5. Fact: I was not singular in my position as the other, my arguments were supported by many other editors like: User:Bogdangiusca, User:Ronline, User:Dpotop, User:Bonaparte, User:Anittas, User:Jmabel, User:Dacodava, User:Constantzeanu, User:Mihai, User:Alexander_007, User:EvilAlex, User:Mihaitza, User:Duca, User:Domnu Goie, User:AdiJapan, User:Gutza, User:Vasile, User:Jeorjika.

8. Actually he consider badmouthing everything which is against his beliefs. If I bring examples, he said that are just not good. If I bring neutral, strong arguments then he blocked me to cover up.

He blocked to because he disagreed with you? I need evidence that he did this?

9. He blocked me for the first time abusing his rights. Then for the second time again. And his reaction is just to make bias edits, blocking others.

Again evidence please. I have only your say so on this.

10. He just archiving the talk page so that other users no to see his bias edits. All the examples that they are wrong to be hidden from the rest of the world.

It's in the history. It's impossible to delete evidence on a wiki.

11. He said that my only contributions are shouting and badmouthing.

Give me evidence otherwise. Diffs of you adding good content that is kept in articles.

12. Here he makes another irony: Ah, "just this Guy", do you think I cannnot find a person who would happily block a person who is persistently badmouthing? Good luck with your new buddy. mikka (t) 21:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

He is threatening to get someone else to block you?

Yes he was. Date: 21:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

-Mark Williamson (User:Node ue) said:" Bonaparte, tu eshti koncenii!!! " (this is a personal attack and User:Node ue was never blocked for this! instead just look the way User:Mikkalai encourage this:)

-Mikka User:Mikkalai said: "That's a tough one for Bonaparte: if he recognizes this as an insult, then he will admit that Moldovan is not identical to Romanian, if he will not, then he does not know Moldavian. :-)" mikka (t) 00:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

-Mark Williamson (User:Node ue) said: "Indeed :) that was the intention..."--Node

You need to explain this one to me. I speak neither language

With this kind of support from Administrator User:Mikkalai is no wonder that the things are going in this way that he continues to labelling others as "koncenii" like User:Dpotop,

What does that mean?

And please also here http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Mikkalai/artalk#Bonaparte.27s_block

Theresa

Bonaparte's block

Mikka, you blocked Bonaparte (talk · contribs) for one week. In my opinion, that is a bit excessive and, as there is no firm policy backing to this block and the fact that you are in a content dispute with this user makes it, in my view, inappropriate. Bonaparte has already served 24 hours and that is the typical block vandals are given. Anyway, as Bonaparte has agreed to stop revert-warring over Cyrillic names (see User talk:Bonaparte#Unblocking) I have unblocked him. I just wanted to run this by you. Thanks. Izehar 20:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I am in content dispute with every vandal. I disagree with your unblocking without alking to me first. I am watching this user for a long time and I am doing what is right: eacalating punishment for persisiting in improper behavior. Your interference without knowing history is unwelcome. I am esetting the block for 48 hours as a trade-off. mikka (t) 20:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Mikka, for what it's worth I think it is bad form to use admin powers in a content dispute where you have previously taken sides. I'm not saying Bonaparte is right (you'll see from his and my talk pages that I have rpeeatedly urged him to calm down and use proper process). On the other hand, by blocking Bonaparte it seems to me that you are effectively giving an advantage to one side in a POV dispute - this is not to assume bad faith on your part (I quite agree that Bonaparte is very prone to flying off the handle and any other admin would probably do the same - but not necessarily only to Bonaparte, which is the point). I would suggest that the edit wars might be better sorted by a brief period of page protection, forcing both sides to the table to thrash things out on the talk page rather than edit warring. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 21:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I didn't take sides. At these Moldovan pages I am solely dealing with vandalism and revert wars. You from your own experience must know that only blocks are effectively acting on Bonaparte. Not punishing him makes him feeling invincible. When you talk to him, he talks back. I will be blocking him as much as I think necessary, since no one else bothers to deal with his disrupting behavior. mikka (t) 02:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, your blocks surely do the trick. Every time you block him, mysterious new IPs appear on posting. And how about Node? How come you ignore his vandalism and provokative postings? See my message below this one, or are you going to protend it's raining? If you deal with a problem, deal with all causes. --Anittas 03:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Colleague, there are 8 of you fighting node ue. I would be #9. Isn't it a bit too much? mikka (t) 03:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Mikka - like it or not, I think you have involved yourself in a content dispute with Bonaparte, at Tighina and Moldova. Yes, they're small things, but I think what you've done is blocked him for having a different point of view, and I don't think that conforms to policy. I think it's important to engage in much more active dialogue with Bonaparte, but I think his point of view can be argued as well - therefore, his edits are not simple vandalism or disruption. A one week block in this case is particularly unsuitable. From now on, please consult the community before a block - Bonaparte genuinely feels he is being wronged, and that's not good. Or, please tell another sysop to do the block, since it can be argued that you're in a conflict of interest regarding Bonaparte.

I've never accused you of not being impartial, and I do think that you are quite impartial, I think the conflict is more in terms of the approach. Your approach is very hard-line, in my opinion - it's like "I've blocked you now. Deal with it. There are no appeals". I think that's a very dangerous approach to justice, because it breeds alienation and therefore conflict and distrust. And that's never good! Ronline ✉ 07:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

There is no content dispute here. The guy is repeatedly (even after explanations, hence deliberately) deletes pieces of information that bear to Moldovan language and Moldovans. I don't mess into the "content" where he tries to push his POV that such things do not exist, but his removal these terms wherever these are used in official language will not be tolerated, as well as removal other purely factual pieces aimed at elimitation of history. he also has a habit to meddle in things that has no knowledge, like "correction" of translation of Hungarian terms. As for "breeding conflict", please explain this to Bonaparte. He is the most belligerent and obnoxious editor I've ever met in wikipedia. Just look thru a couple of last archives of Talk:Moldovan language. Fortunately for him, he thrives in a narrow area where only a handful of people work.

My "harline" approach: I say: certain people become more arrogant seeing only soft talk. So far I've seen no evidence of change in his attitudes. You say: "I've blocked you now. Deal with it." Wrong. In the beginning I paroled him two times. Each time he dived headlong back into wordfight.

So, once more, this is not a kindergarten and he is not a timid newcomer, and I firmly believe that his behavior is disruptive, and each time he goes over board and I notice this, he will be punished. It is up to you to be a "good cop" with him in milder cases, like revert wars in Moldovan language. mikka (t) 07:54, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Node removing text

Node keeps removing messages of Bonaparte, saying they are personal attacks against him. Here is what he removed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AMoldovan_language&diff=32723645&oldid=32712190

Where is the personal attack? And don't give me the stuff about you not wanting to be involved in such disputes. You chose to involve yourself the day you used your tools on some of the involved parties. Also, you're not on vacation, so you can remove the disclaimer. --Anittas 01:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Administrator abuse????

Administrator mikkalai (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) had blocked me illegal for so-called vandalism. Actually he's doing vandalism with his buddy Node ue. Someone can unblock me to defend myself and to ask de-adminiship of mikkalai (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) ? -- Bonaparte talk 08:38, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Next block

Blocked for 1 week for persistent and fully aware distortion and deletion of official info, e.g., in Republic of Moldova, Tighina and in other places. This is considered persistent and malicious vandalism. Persistent removal of Cyrillic spelling of moldovan toponyms is an intolerable censorship of information. mikka (t) 21:38, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Read here very careful mikka: I was just reverting Node's edits which are considered persistent and malicious vandalism. So you have to block Node, not me! And your persistent adding of Cyrillic spelling of Moldovans toponyms is also persistent and malicious vandalism. Moldovan (Romanian)'s official spelling is in LATIN ALPHABET. So, block yourself! Bonaparte talk 08:26, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Excuse me - this is a content dispute not vandalism. Please do not use blocks when dealing with content disputes. Mikka is clearly has a conflict of interest, by blocking Bonaparte for edits to a page in which he is actively involved in editing, and he is also involved in a content dispute with Bonaparte at this same page. At Tighina, there seems to be a dispute between including the Moldovan Cyrillic version of the text. Again, this is a content dispute. Please take this to the talk page. Mikka has a very valid rationale for including this Cyrillic text, but Bonaparte can also make his argument. It is the same at Republic of Moldova. They are not cases of simple vandalism. If the 3RR is broken, the Bonaparte can be blocked, but not for one week. I hope he is unblocked now. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 07:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Erm, for future references, please place a notice, either AN or ANI; duplication in both is excessive. El_C 11:23, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

sorry for so many evidences

There are more than 5 times, but I don't want to fill out all your talk page. Now, do you think that you can help me? This was the n-time when he acted like this. Bonaparte talk 16:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I will look into it. But I need a bit of time. I'll look at the evidence and get back to you - probably tomorrow. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I will look what you told me and bring you diffs.

PS. Thank you Theresa Bonaparte talk 16:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually here are almost all: Moldovan language and Talk:Moldovan language. I will add the diffs right now. -- Bonaparte talk 16:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Moldovan_language/archive01#Vandalism_2 (Dpotop telling mikka)

2. :http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AMikkalai&diff=28274313&oldid=28248193

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Mikkalai&diff=next&oldid=28274313 (Sysop Ronline telling mikka)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AMikkalai&diff=28295262&oldid=28288606 anittas telling mikka

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Mikkalai&diff=prev&oldid=28738181 woohokitty telling mikka not to protect and then to edit

Drive-by comment: Mikka's behaviour reminds me of Stevertigo's on Vietnam War... perhaps an RfC is in order? Nothing harsh, just an opportunity to clarify some policy points on protection and blocking? Dan100 (Talk) 17:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Bonaparte

He complained to many. I will not waste my time discussing the issue with each 100 of you "personally". He knows the place where to complain. Cheers. mikka (t) 17:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I did complain to Administrator's Noticeboard and you did not change afterwards, even if many Admins told you so. Remember that Jmabel told you that you were out of line. Jmabel is one of the most respectable contributor to Misplaced Pages. Bonaparte talk 17:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

My two cents

Hello Mrs Knott (sounds like I'm back at school). I see you've got involved in this little dispute. I would just like to deposit my two cents. A glance at Bonaparte's block log reveals that Mikka has blocked him for lengthy periods for what I view as unjustifiable (i.e. can't be found in the Misplaced Pages:Blocking policy) reasons. Once, I unblocked him after having extracted a promise that he would refrain from editing an article, but use the talk page. I also left a message on Mikka's talk page explaining my action, but Mikka disagreed and reinserted a lesser block.

In my opinion, Mikka is way too involved now to block Bonaparte and if he believes that Bonaparte should be blocked, should ask another administrator to issue it instead of him. I disagree with Bonaparte calling for his desysopment - I have great admiration for Mikka: he has started, written or participated in writing many articles with an extremely high quality (NPOV), and he, in my opinion, has never abused his privileges. I think that asking him, more as a personal favour, to refrain from blocking Bonaparte should do the trick. Mikka is very insightful and I'm sure he'd respond positively.

Anyway, I've explained things how I see them. I think that WP:AGF and the normal principles of fairness require Mikka's full side of the story to be heard as well, so I won't, and I advise everyone else to do the same, jump to conclusions.

Thanks. Izehar 17:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Mikka didn't apply WP:AGF in my case. He may be for other pages very good, that's very good but in this case was too much involved personally, I think. Bonaparte talk 17:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Bonaparte, can't you forgive and forget if Mikka promises to refrain from blocking you? Izehar 17:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes! I just want a normal relation. In fact I think we can even collaborate once we agree. -- Bonaparte talk 19:21, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

"wtf does sand in the vagina mean?", RE: User talk:Anti-establishment

Ah, you've obviously had the pleasure of NOT talking to as many women-hating American males as I have. It's an American slang term for "female who stands up to men", basically. -_-

Widely accepted as misogynist over there, 'cept by the people that say it. --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd be proud to be called that. Having a thick skin really helps here. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 20:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

well, if there wasn't rules I'd actually retaliate - it's not so much that I'm "offended" as angry, it's vulgar and a slur in the same way "slut" is used for a promiscuous female (when it's "good" to be a promiscuous male on the other hand) - but as it is I just list people like that with evidence on the board. -_- --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I understand that you are angry. And don't think that I am defending him making a personal attack because I am not. But you failed to assume good faith and accused him of vandalising a template, and i don't think he intended it as vandalism. Maybe he felt the same flash of anger at your vandalism slur as you feel now and relatilated. I'm not saying what he did was right, it wasn't. You are angry and you haven't resorted to personal attacks - he is clearly weaker than you are. Have a nice cup of tea (or whatever it takes), rise above it, and let us deal with things. He is being wtched bu admins. We will take appropriate action if he doesn't settle down. But I think he probably will. I always try to assume good faith. It serves me ans Misplaced Pages well. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 20:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Andrea

HI! I would love to speak with you, you seem like a really smart woman. I am a 20 year old psychology student in Perú, how can we talk throuhg something like msn messenger? without me having to post my email adress here? :)

To be honest I much prefer to do it on the reference desk. It's watched by a lot of people so If I say something wrong it'll be quickly corrected. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 02:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Cold fusion on WP:FARC

Since you originally nominated the article, you may want to take a look at Misplaced Pages:Featured article removal candidates/Cold fusion. If you know any physics experts, their help may be needed. - Taxman 02:46, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Dear Ms. Knott

I'm not stirring up trouble or playing, though it seems you are Ms. Bitchy Attitude. I am trying to resolve a violation and abuse which you admit you don't know why it happened. Stop your persistant hazing of n00bs and actually do your fucking job by making this a better place. Instead of taunting n00bs you could be helping us learn the ropes and punishing those that haze us.

It's not hazing to say "shut up already". The situation is resolved, and was resolved before you came to the AN. I have no intention of punishing anyone here, no one else will either. If you want to learn the ropes learn this - pick your fights.This one is over before it has even started.

You got off to a bad start here, it happens. We were all newbies once. Forgive and forget is my motto. My advice is to chalk this one up to experience. Remember that Misplaced Pages is a serious project. Everyone is here to write a proper encylopedia. You will find the atmosphere rather different that slashdot, or other wikis. That's not to say we can't have a laugh, because we do - I laugh all the time, I make jokes and sometimes do silly vandalisms - but not in the article namespace. The atmosphere here can be pretty friendly. Honest. You haven't experienced it yet because of the way you introduced yourself. As a newbie, you have some responsibility yourself to make sure you understand our culture. Lurking, going slowly, making small edits first that sort of thing. In order not to be treated like a dick it's best not to give the impression you are one. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2006

Hello Theresa! I'v seen your picture on net. :) You are very cute :) I just want to wish you a happy new Year in 2006. Please look again here. This bias Admin has just deleted very neutral, NPOV info, then he blocked the page. How about that? Isn't this a little bit out of line? Again he makes only controversial edits. Bonaparte talk 10:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

protecting page, edits and push POV of user:Mikkalai

Hello, please can you unblock Transnistria page? It seems that this bias Admin user:Mikkalai had some large edits there, then he blocked the page. I don't agree with him to removed so much refereces including very neutral from BBC.

He was warned one time by Admin user:TSO1D "rv vandalism -Miky stop " (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Transnistria&diff=33437730&oldid=33426842) -- Bonaparte talk 10:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria

Sorry, for messing up your edits, have not saw you saved your edits before I reverted. abakharev 12:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Various attack

Again vandalism, please do something: 24.251.68.75 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Bonaparte talk 13:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

For what? He is free to edit. You are accusing him of vandalism because you disagree with his edits. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 15:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Because he uses more IPs and then log in with users accounts and his edits are against consensus reached on the talk page and ultimatively determines the pages to be blocked like in the case of the last pages Moldova, Transnistria, Anti-Romanian, Movement for unification of Romania and the Republic of Moldova. Now part of them are also "eliberated" should I say, due to your positive implication. I like the way you handle things and I'm appreciate this. What award did you get there? Bonaparte talk 15:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

OK well - firstly you need proof, then you need to go through Misplaced Pages:dispute resolution - if he is really doing what you say he is doing then you should start a WP:RFC. There is only so much I can do on my own. It's better to have the community's views on the matter. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 15:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Proof that he is ] Bonaparte talk 15:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio on Transnistria

The copyrighted material used is from:

Oleksandr Pavliuk, Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, The Black Sea Region: Cooperation and Security Building, EastWest Institute, ISBN 0765612259

and

James Hughes, Gwendolyn Sasse, Ethnicity and Territory in the Former Soviet Union, Regions in conflict. Routledge Ed. ISBN 0714652261, page 114-115

As I noted before, the violations are not copied word-for-word, but rather replace the occasional word with a synonym which is, last time I checked, still a copyvio.

Thank you. I have suggested that people edit your version, to put an end to the alledged copyvio problem. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

You have to read this first http://meta.wikimedia.org/Avoid_copyright_paranoia Bonaparte talk 08:22, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Examples:

• An entry which contains a few copied phrases from individual websites or other sources. Quotation, even without attribution, is specifically allowed in international copyright law, and single sentences are generally not protectable.
• A digitized picture that may be copied from elsewhere, but has in fact been created hundreds of years ago. Sometimes, the companies who have digitized these pictures claim copyright on them, but I find such claims highly dubious.
• Screenshots of free software applications, and small illustrative screenshots. It should generally be no problem if a screenshot is copied from the official product page.

-- Bonaparte talk 23:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Bonica, ACP is not a direct antidote to copyright policy. It does not give you a licence to go and insert copyrighted content everywhere. It is intended so that people are calm and rational with regards to claims of copyright infringement. Instead of saying "ohmigod ohmigod copyvio!!!! DELETE DELETE DELETE!!", people are thus encouraged to investigate claims, try to rework content so that it will no longer be in violation of copyrights, or even to find if it is possible to keep copyrighted content intact (for example, with permission for distribution under the GFDL, or various loopholes in international copyright laws) --70.58.114.239 23:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I know what copyright paranioa is. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

I appreciate your having reverted the nonsense left on my user page. Been happening a lot lately. Do you think it's because I'm ticking off the vandals...? Ah, sweet success.  :) Happy new year! - Lucky 6.9 00:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah probably. I haven't had my userpage vandalised in ages. I feel left out! Happy new yeat to you too. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 00:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Sick Rumor

Here is the source of the rumor that I had spotted on my way to this site.

I don't like rumors, especially one of this sort.

Source is: Jimbo Wales Shot and killed

Hope this is a sick rumor. I want it quashed. Martial Law 01:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

It's a daft joke. If you read the whole article you will note that it says

"For the record, The Register must note that the ubermeister of Misplaced Pages appears to be alive and well"

towards the end. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 01:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Appreciate the info. Count another rumor quashed, with Misplaced Pages's assisstance. Martial Law 02:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Who will accept the award I'm planning to give to Misplaced Pages itself, and how do I present it ? Martial Law 02:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Jimbo Perhaps. Just go to his talk page. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 02:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

RfAr

Theresa, regardless of what you or anyone might think of this spat over userboxes, I would think that you could dismiss it in a somewhat more professional manner. Over a hundred users, including some of us who have been around for a long time and whose credibility (I hope) as contributors is above mention, thought that Kelly's deletions were out-of-process and worth looking in to. I found your manner of dismissal offensive and high-handed. Of course we're here to make an encyclopedia. No userbox ever stopped me from doing that--nor Kelly. Anyway, please don't take this the wrong, and please consider your comment. Thanks. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I know. The truth of the matter is I'm sick of it all, and will be resigning as soon as elections are sorted out. This seems particulaly trivial, certanily not worth my attention. But I could have worded it better. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 02:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

brenneman has added a statement which I think sums up why you might want to reconsider your rejection of this. It's not about idiotic userboxes (of which I admit there are probably way too many cluttering up template-space), it's about respecting the community that helps to build this encyclopedia. I do hope you'll reconsider. —Locke Cole • t • c 02:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

As a supplement to brenneman's statement, Ms. Knott, I ask you to read my outside view at the Martin RFC. I wish only for harmony in the community, and I recognize that the community exists soley to write the encyclopedia; but some respect must be given to those who seek redress here, or the community will fracture, and the 'pedia will be endangered. Best wishes, Xoloz 08:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm watching the situation. I still believe it to be a storm in a teacup, and not something that the AC should be involved in, but I am slightly less resolved than I was yesterday. I hope that the new rfc will settle the matter without us having to deal with it. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

220.247.241.79 et al

Thanks for whatever you did, but being a bit of a newbie with this stuff, quite astonished that the junk could be applied to mulitple articles in such a short time! with a drifting IP whats more! Do hope whatever you did is enough to put somethin like this off, as it seemed too much spread over random pages to feel comfortable about.. Oh well thanks again SatuSuro 08:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

It will not put him off forever. He is a known vandal. He will come back later :-( But he never manages to get a vandal edit to last more the a few seconds or so. There are far more of us than him so we have a massive advantage. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, as the late Douglas Adams put in the mouth of the Vogon "death is too good" or words to that effect... Thanks again.SatuSuro 08:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Kelly/Snowspinner Rfar

You do realize that this isn't about userboxes, right? It's about some people thinking they're above all reproach towards doing whatever they want, to the point where editors stand in fear of summary retribution from above. The rule of law on Misplaced Pages has nearly collapsed, and likely the arbcom is the only force that can change that other than Jimbo or a mass revolt by rank and file editors. karmafist 13:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The worst part about the editor's question "Will I get blocked for this?" is that, having been an admin and following the noticeboard carefully for the past 6 months, I can't confidently tell that editor "no." The essential complaint behind the RFC is not "Users are complaining that their precious userboxes disappeared" but "Some users believe that some admins are using their special buttons in capricious and chilling ways."

Evidence please -TK

I'll collect some diffs for you. Nandesuka 23:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Better yet, consider me to have incorporated Cryptic's precis by reference. The RFC is chock full of users who refer to the actions summarized by Cryptic as the real basis of their complaints. Nandesuka 23:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

That a number of editors were blocked essentially for telling people about the RFC only serves to underline this.

Evidence please -TK

Here, see the blocks of Miborovsky and Morgan965. Much discussion here: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Snowspinner_3. Nandesuka 23:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

They were doing more than that. Their actions look like disruption to me. But I've only given them a cursory glance so far. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

That arbcom is — in my opinion — dodging their responsibility to deal with this is only a bit troubling. But that they are doing so by framing the issue as simply being a tiff about userboxes is, simply, appalling. Nandesuka 13:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen any evidence that is more than a tiff about userboxes.(Maybe it's there and I just haven't seen it, I'm not perfect) If you present it I will look into it. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn

Can you clarify something for me: have you read the RFC? Nandesuka 23:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Martin's -yes. Snowspinner's no at the time, although I am reading it now. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Another $0.02, on sale today for half price. I don't doubt for a second that the arbitrators have the best of intentions. But, the dismissal of this issue as being about user boxes is way off the mark, as pointed out above. More importantly, it looks very bad to outside observers. If the arbcom wishes to give the appearance of being deaf to complaints against one of their own, they're doing it very effectively. Friday (talk) 15:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I hardly know Kelly Martin. If I did I would recuse. My attitude would be the same no matter who she is. I want to see hard evidence backing up claims of admin abuse. Kelly states that she only deleted boxes that violated the Misplaced Pages:User page guidlines. Now if this is true (And if you claim it's not I want to see the evidence)- I'm not going to have much sympathy for people whining about it. She was bold, rash even, but not abusing her admin powers IMO and not something serious enough for the AC.

Now as for blocking people. Abusive blocks are a much more serious matter. People should not be blocked for complaining about an admin's action. But I need to see evidence of this happening. You can put it on the RFAr page or if anyone is worried about doing that they can put it here on my talk page. I will not block anyone. Please keep it short and sweet. I like things to the point. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

It's well and good that Kelly says she deleted them because they violated the Misplaced Pages:User page guidelines, but that's also a red herring (and irrelevant, as the things she claimed violated it were not themselves in user-space). We have processes (the *fD areas, WP:AFD, WP:CFD, WP:MFD) to deal with deletions. As far as I know, there is no speedy deletion allowance for things that violate WP:UP (again noting these were not in user-space). Now, this could be user boxes, it could be articles, it could be anything, that's not really the question being raised at the RFAr. The question being raised is: Is it okay for an administrator to delete a massive number of pages outside of the available processes when they clearly don't meet the usual speedy-deletion criterium (vandalism, vanity, etc)? With regard to the blocks, I'll let someone else answer that. —Locke Cole • t • c 21:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I don't buy the "They are not in the userspace" argument. You splitting hairs. I'll answer your second question though. I don't know if it's OK for an administrator to delete a massive number of pages outside of the deletion process. That's for the community to decide IMO. Sometimes being bold is good, sometimes not. It's not something that I would have done but it's not something I consider abuse if it's done once and not repeated if the communuty is against it. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, if you believe they were in user-space and were to be handled per WP:UP, I'll quote this passage–

In excessive cases, your user subpage may be deleted, following a listing on Miscellany for deletion, subject to deletion policy. Please do not recreate content deleted in this way: doing so is grounds for immediate re-deletion (see candidates for speedy deletion). Instead, please respect our judgement about what is and is not appropriate.

And that's with regard to "user subpages", which I don't know how you'd classify userboxes, but I suspect they'd be about equal. (And as I've noted, I'd rather this wasn't considered to be about userboxes, because it trivializes the deletions themself).

In any event, the latter part of your response seems to indicate that you're not interested in hearing the issue if the problem is not ongoing. With that in mind, I just wanted to clarify that WP:UP doesn't seem to have provisions for summary deletion of user-space materials (and in fact encourages using WP:MFD to give the community an opportunity to be involved). Thanks for your time. —Locke Cole • t • c 00:12, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes that's exactly right. The AC is for serious ongoing disputes that are not solved by other means. Kelly did something that caused a big stink. The big stink itself is the solution. Any other admin contemplating similar action will stop and think twice because they know the community will not support it. The user page guidline not providing for the unilateral deletion of userboxes that violate other policies is understandable because user boxes were not around when the guidline was mostly written. There is no precident for what Kelly did. The water has well and truly been tested now, and a new policy is being formed as we speak - not necessarily formally. Policies do not have to be written down. Well that's my take on it anyway. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Martin RfAr

elements cross-posted

I've relisted it. It's too soon. I may even change my mind and accept it, but even if I don't it's better to leave it sitting there for a bit longer I think. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem; I wasn't absolutely sure about it.

Come on IRC again, even if only in the private channel. We miss you.

James F. (talk) 22:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I cant multitask :-( If I come on IRC I neglect Misplaced Pages. Email the list. I can cope with that. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Reasons for rejecting the "userbox" RFAR request

Hi, Theresa knott, could I ask you to expand upon your reasoning for rejecting this arbitration request? I'm just interested in knowing your reasoning. Thanks, Talrias (t | e | c) 23:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Read this talk page. I've been explaining my reasoning. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, and my apologies. Talrias (t | e | c) 23:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser request / result of a personal threat

User:Bumpusmills1 is a new user whom I have worked with in an attempt to teach him Misplaced Pages guidelines, manners, and so on. To his credit he is trying to learn. Unfortunately, he was a bit abrasive at first and stirred up some vandals and such, especially anonymous editors User:68.45.146.191, User:199.216.98.66 and User:216.13.219.229 who placed User:Bumpusmills1's personal contact info on User:Bumpusmills1's user page and threatened him. (Examples of these threats are and , although there are more examples in the history.) It appears these anonymous users are sock puppets of one user. To cut to the chase, I was told to check with the people on the arbitration committee to see if one of you could do a checkuser on these ISPs and see if this is a Misplaced Pages editor making threats. Thanks for any help you can give.--Alabamaboy 23:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Not everyone on the AC has check user ability. I am one of those without it. Try User:David Gerard he has it. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

RFAR

Okay, I'm sure you're sick of this by now, but I'm happy you're being responsive, so thought I'd bring this up. I largely agree with your sentiments on the userbox controversy, and haven't touched the whole silly thing at all (best summed up here). But the recent, unrepentant wheel warring and very inappropriate blocks by Snowspinner really piqued my interest, and, I think, rise to the level of arbcom-worthy (where Kelly Martin doesn't really). I wonder if you could tell me what you thought of my statement? Dmcdevit·t 00:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

While I as well fail to see the benefit of a case against Kelly Martin, I urge the arbitration committee to consider Snowspinner's administrative actions here. He has, and after the filing of his RFC by the way, engaged in multiple wheel wars at WP:RFC/KM

This is a trial stupid wheel war over a trvial stupid page. I fell like bashing their heads together and sending them to be without supper. However, I don't think it serious enough for the AC.

and Template:Help Wikiboxes,

I actually agree with his actions there. This template was created to stir up trouble, not to inform.

been (rightly) blocked for 3RR at WP:RFC/KM, and then promptly blocked the admin who blocked him ,

The block states that it was for wheel warring. Was the block invalid?

not to mention the original two punitive blocks that were a part of the RFC (each of which turning into wheel wars, in which he was reversed by three separate admins, and proceeded to reblock each reagrdless) ,

No response yet. I need to look into this in more depth.

after which he proceeded to block another editor for the same reason .

Oh come now! You can't be serious?

After this, he unimaginably goes on to defend wheel warring, saying: "The only way to oppose it is to wheel war and push on with no regard for the consequences." May as well include Karmafist in arbitration as well, as Snowspinner's partner in wheel warring. Dmcdevit·t 08:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Was the block invalid?

Hi Theresa,

I'm not really following the argument above, but I'd like to clarify one thing. As the admin who blocked Snowspinner and was in turn blocked by him, I'd like to state emphatically that his block of me was invalid, and I was unblocked by a 3rd party admin within minutes. If you're curious about the incident, there is quite a lot of detail (including my request for comments about my actions, which several admins said they agreed with) at WP:AN/I#Karmafist and Snowspinner blocked for 3RR. -- SCZenz 21:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

that Smurfs image

Per the discussion over at User talk:24.147.103.146: I dont know if images can be undeleted, but I really dont think deletion was warranted. The image as it was used in the article on Smurfs was totally kosher fair use and extremely relevant and informative. It should be removed from userspace but not from wikipedia. -Lanoitarus .:. 08:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

There were two images. One is being used in the smurfs article. Another image derived from the first was being used in the userspace. That's why I was happy to just go ahead and delete it. We have not lost anything. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 15:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Evolution on Transnistria

Hello Theresa :)

I would like to ask you please to look again at the latest evolution on the page Transnistria. Your help is needed and is welcomed. I've also added a list of remaining issues you can add if you have also some. From my point of view the other issues are solved. Would be very fine if you can explain to Node the situation. He has done similar with other pages as well that now are blocked because of him. You may not know node but he is just 16 and he likes to play with this kind of approach. A lot of other users have invested a lot of time and work in it and simply don't accept his trolling. That's why many have left because of him. (at least 18 romanians by now). You know all by now I think. Thank you. Bonaparte talk 18:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• • I'm not interested in his age or background. I'm not interested in people who have left. I am interested in unprotecting the page but will not do so until I'm sure the revert war over copyvio allegations will not start up again. I am watching the page and waiting for node ue's comments on any remaining copyvio problems. If he states that he is happy with the version that was placed on the talk page I wil;l unprotect. If he states that he is not I expect him to state the problem in full, and i expect you to work with him on the talk page and thrash it out. But for now I am taking a wait and see aproach. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't see a version placed on the talkpage. But if it still includes {{ref|pavliuk}} and {{ref|hughes}}, I'm betting it's got copyvio material (though obviously this isn't a for-sure, I somehow doubt anybody replaced the copyvio with real original writing simply using them as references). --Node 01:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
      • • Why would you doubt that. And for that matter why wouldn't you rewrite it yourself? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 20:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Also the revert war made by node ue on Moldovans. Bonaparte talk 18:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
  • It takes two to revert war. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Mislabeled photo in article "penis"

I am perplexed at your continued restoration of the incorrect label of a photo of an uncircumcised penis with the foreskin retracted as a circumcised penis which it plainly is not. You will note that the source of the photo is a Russian article; doubtless the latter is considerably less well known there than in Western countries. There is a photo of a circumcised (albeit mis-spelled) penis at http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Circumsized_penis.gif and perhaps you would like to substitute that photo for the inappropriate one that appears in the article. It would be better to have a photo illustrating what the subsection of the article is discussing anyway. Masalai 00:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Check your email

Hello, please check your email. Sent information re: WebEX and Min Zhu case. --FloNight 18:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

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Me and Tony - Looking for a neutral opinion

Theresa,

I'd like to ask for your help on something. On his talk page, and on mine, Tony has made several accusations that I am engaging in personal attacks. We are discussing a topic that we disagree on, and we are both sticking firmly to our guns. However, I honestly don't believe that it is fair to characterize our discussion as incivil or consisting of personal attacks; it feels to me like Tony is trying to describe the mere fact that I am disagreeing with him vigorously as a personal attack by definition. I'd like to ask you to take a look at our discussion on those pages, and render an opinion. If you think I'm over the line, I will of course step back. I would hope that if you think my discourse is reasonable, that Tony will agree to reconsider his position that I am "attacking" him. What do you say? Nandesuka 17:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

This isn't about disagreement on the facts, but about the mode of expression of those disagreements over an appreciable period and over several different issues and in several different forums.

For my own part, it's stated in this initial complaint made on 27 December, and relating to several unrelated instances, recent at that time, in which Nandesuka had made what appear to me to be very snide and uncivil characterizations of my actions, and which taken together have the appearance of a personal attack. My latest complaint relates to this edit in which Nandesuka appears to characterize some of my contributions to an arbitration case as "inconsequential, trumped up claims" that deserved to be "given short shrift." I object specifically to the description of my proposed findings of fact, which were submitted in good faith and the majority of which found their way, in substantially the original wording, into the final decision, as "trumped up" or having been in any way shape or form "given short shrift".

As I also drafted one of the two remedies that found their way into the proposed decision (perhaps more, having contributed to the general civility remedy by insisting that I be included as a party to the case in the admonishment) I also find the characterization, which in any case would be rather uncivil, to constitute an attempt to denigrate me. It is this appearance at a consistent pattern of denigration that concerns me. It doesn't appear to mere incivility to me, but an attempt to goad me by making extremely slanted descriptions of my actions, which out of conscientiousness I cannot let alone but must investigate thoroughly to see if he has a point.

While allowing that it's true that I withdrew several proposed findings of fact, in the course of my investigation I found (to my own surprise) that substantial material from nearly all of those findings of fact that I withdrew found their way, in wording that I had drafted, into the committee's proposed decision in the case. As it's a workshop and the purpose is to draft, discuss and refine, it's hardly surprising that some proposals are withdrawn and redrafted. But here there is a clear pattern of material being incorporated and merged. But that's by-the-by--Nandesuka can disagree on this without his needing to describe my proposals as "trumped up" or "inconsequential".

I'm not getting the impression here of someone who is interested in, in his words, "civil discourse". My refutations have led to yet more wild claims such as one in which he expands his accusations to include proposed arbitration decisions which I did not draft, even two that I explicitly opposed, and even one that I did draft and which found its way into the proposed decision! I've asked him politely to lay it off but he only tells me that "is not acceptable to describe civil disagreement as a personal attack. Please tone down your rhetoric."--a conscious parody of my own wording in the original complaint that, frankly, is difficult to interpret as anything other than an act of insolent, unrepentant, trolling. I'm sure he has the good of the wiki at heat, but this isn't the way to do it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to rehash the substance of the debate here, because I think it is tangential. I think the crux of the issue is that I think it is difficult for Tony to interpret my comments as anything other than -- using his words, not "parodying" them -- "insolent, unrepentent, trolling." I think that if Tony were extending to me the same amount of good faith he (correctly) expects from others, he would not see my comments this way. But I am openminded and willing to hear and respond to criticism from someone not so close to the issue, and I hope that Tony is as well. Theresa, I know you haven't said you'll get involved, but I hope that you do, and if you do I look forward to hearing your opinion. Nandesuka 20:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)