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Vandalism

Considering the user was immediate and unequivocally clear in her negativity toward the article in question, it is clear the placement of such a link is to simply be a pain in the rear. If the user doesn't believe the article should exist, they should have no business in providing content anyway. The link she provided is not of any worth to the article. if we post her link, we will need to post 2000 others. Regardless, in light of her clear position, it is clearly vandalism. CentrOS 18:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Heh heh!

How are you? Thanks for your comment on my talk page. I'm surprised you think I'm never going to convince people that deletion for lack of notability runs contrary to the deletion policy. Simply reading it should be enough to convince most people that it is not in there. I agree on verifiability, which has the advantage of being in the policy! Have you checked out the Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources and Misplaced Pages:Cite sources? I don't really think we're drowning under the kind of article you mention - hope to see you around, Trollderella 16:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks to you on Thanksgiving!

Hey, thank you for moving those two pages (the Phase 7 and the personal page). I just discovered Misplaced Pages and I too am very excited about its potential!

Thanks again and have a blessed Thanksgiving,

Brett

Deletions

It's a sad day when the influx of garbage outstrips the influx of useable information on this site. Worse still when registered users get bent out of shape over the deletion of their single sentences. I have been here too damned long. Time for another hobby. - Lucky 6.9 02:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Lucky, if you're reading this... Deleting a new article with a stub created by an editor with a history here one minute after it was created is a mistake. Twice is a problem. From the look of your Talk: page it is apparent that I am far from the only editor here whose work you have carelessly deleted. --AStanhope 03:06, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Revokation Of Adminship

It doesn't work what way? --AStanhope 03:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

People don't lose adminship just because they say they're leaving. People go on breaks all the time. Presently, arbitration is probably the only way anyone's going to lose adminship non-voluntarily. Historically, even in arbitration, it doesn't seem to happen except in rare cases, but I suppose this could change. Friday (talk) 03:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

The right thing

Jeez. I contribute six featured articles, 15,000 edits, plenty of good work and hours upon hours of volunteer work and this guy gets bent out of shape over his single sentence. I don't believe this. I really have overstayed my welcome. - Lucky 6.9 03:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, you certainly have the right to leave for whatever period if you feel it's the right thing for you to do, but just for the record, I don't think you should leave. I simply think you should be a bit more reserved in which things you delete. Don't get me wrong- you delete a bunch of stuff that's definitely worthless and needs to go away. Sometimes, you also nail things that (IMO) don't need to go away. Maybe my message was ill-timed; Sorry, I didn't intend for it to be a big deal. I personally think the suggestion that your adminship be revoked is going quite overboard. Friday (talk) 03:17, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Jeez. I contribute six featured articles, 15,000 edits, plenty of good work and hours upon hours of volunteer work and this guy gets bent out of shape over his single sentence. I don't believe this. I really have overstayed my welcome. - Lucky 6.9 03:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Lucky... I started an article, got up to take a piss and came back and it was gone - deleted after being alive for 1 minute. This is the SECOND TIME you've done this to me, and a glance at your Talk page shows that you're constantly stepping on other peoples' toes. Finally, when I pointed this out to you you threatened by block me...

Lucky, please voluntarily give up your Adminship. It is clearly a responsibility that you are incapable of handling properly and you are causing harm to the Misplaced Pages. --AStanhope 03:22, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

• And Friday, no, your comment his his Talk: page wasn't ill-timed. He needs to get the message. --AStanhope 03:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

• I got the message. Cooling off somewhat; I've replaced my e-mail address. The one I listed would have been invalid as of Monday anyway. - Lucky 6.9 03:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

e-mail

No, I disabled that because some troll was using it to spam me. I should think that if you do have evidence of any abuse, you should simply tell me on my talk page because if it were actionable I would make it public anyway. And if you do not have evidence then I don't think we have much to discuss. Radiant_>|< 11:47, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

You're probably right. And, for what it's worth, everything I have to say on this matter right now, I've already said publically. Friday (talk) 16:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Drug-free

Hi there Friday, Im SWD316. I saw your name to the list of drug-free Wikipedians. I created a template and category for it at Template:Drug-free. You can add it to your babel if you want. Hope you use it! SWD316 23:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Clemson University and University of South Carolina

I've been getting into some discussion with an anonymous user on both of these articles, and would appreciate some involvement from other editors. If you'd care to help, do check out the Talk pages for both. Thanks. Ëvilphoenix 07:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Britney

It was not me!!! I just put something about B In The Mix!!! Some other person did that to Britney's page!!! I wouldn't do that, I'm a huge fan of her!!!!!

Alright, hehehe!

Good job

I would like to compliment you on your "block" template. It gets the point across without actually doing the deed. It defused my anger at Ed, and it saves the community the trauma of fighting over whether to block Ed or not (although, of course, I've just seen Dunc's page, Ed's page and yours - I haven't looks at AN or AN/I yet). Guettarda 21:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I was afraid it might be too harsh, but I think it worked out alright. Friday (talk) 15:38, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Citing

Sorry, i'm a n00b at this... is this page:Aesir(DnL) sufficiently cited?

Thoughts and Thanks on WP:XD

XD'ing a page (assuming you leave a template there) is no more "page blanking" than is applying a redirect. And it's a heck of a lot less extreme than actual deletions, which occur all the time, sometimes with unfortunately little scrunity. In bad cases, XD can do harm, sure, but so can any other edit. Your objections don't seem to be against XD- they seem to be against allowing anyone to edit. Friday (talk) 04:39, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, this is the best summary of my similar thoughts on the matter I've seen yet. Rather than fight the edit conflicts, I'm watching patiently for now, but I think you hit the nail on the head here. ∴ here…♠ 04:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. Some things seem so obvious to me that I fear I can't explain them well to other people, but I'm glad it made sense to at least one other person. Perhaps I should have "quit while I was ahead" after that comment, I'm not sure I can make my case any better than that. Friday (talk) 05:05, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Steamrolling

It would have been nice if someone had actually looked at the facts, instead of just looking at "Oh no, he accused my friend of this..." Assume good faith when there's evidence that it is not true? I don't think so! Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 05:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Err, not sure what you mean. I was talking about the deletion review on Shollom Keller, specifically. Friday (talk) 05:48, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that was a case where it was a clear case of steam rolling. WP:AGF was not met by Zoe when she made a false accusation of sock puppetry. Ergo, your accusation that I did not meet WP:AGF when I accused Zoe of sock puppetry is wrong. She did so purely so as to steamroll the vote towards delete - and it worked too, as evidence proved. Because of her, the final vote was 6/6. And because of her, the closing admin made the incorrect decision to delete the article. That is steamrolling. If anyone has failed to adhere to WP:AGF it is Zoe, by not adhering to Misplaced Pages:sock puppet rules in making false accusations. It is the very definition of steamrolling. I have never in my time here seen a more obvious example of a vote which, if correct process had been followed, would have resulted in delete. It is the very epitomy of an example of the wrong process being followed. Anyway, its so obvious that I don't see any point in going any further with it. I am sorry that you and everyone else got tied up with it. Hopefully next time you can look at things from a WP:POV neutral point of view. I was very much neutral with the article, and with the people concerned. Had no prior dealings with them. It is a great pity that it resulted in the way that it did. Hopefully at least the discussion leads to an improvement in the process such that steamrolling like that can be prevented in the future. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 06:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and so you know, I only got interested in the article when Splash made a false accusation of vandalism against me in relation to my clarifying some of the newbie votes as "keep" when they were listed as "Do not delete", "No don't delete this" and "I agree with the above". Whilst I was able to assume good faith that Splash didn't intend to do this so as to steamroll the votes, it had the result of doing precisely that. That was what got my ears pricked up about the whole thing, and why I nominated it for undeletion. Had Splash not made the false accusations against me, in which he failed to adhere to WP:AGF, I wouldn't have realised that the deletion was steam rolled. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 06:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

All this has been brought up on WP:DRV, and frankly, your arguments are not convincing. Many people (uninvolved in the original issue) have stated opinions that the Afd was proper. Friday (talk) 06:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I have given up on it. I've been bullied, pushed around and abused by people who have no concept of civility or correct processes. My arguments are 100% bulletproof and there is no dispute that correct processes were not even remotely followed. If you could step back, forget who is saying things, and look at the arguments, I am sure that you would see this. Its the most obvious example of steamrolling that you will ever find in your entire life. If you use this thing for 10 years you will never find a more obvious, more blatant example of ballot stuffing. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 08:07, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I just don't see it that way. And, I don't think the over-the-top rhetoric is making your arguments any more convincing. I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. Friday (talk) 23:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

XD

Hi Friday. I hope you won't mind, but I replied to your talk pgae message at XD talk. I think we're talking about things still of interest to the experiment and (judging from Here's reply to you) there is at least one other editor reading the discussion there. Thanks. We're not so far apart as it sounds. -Splash 05:49, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't mind at all, I suppose it was still relevant to the issue at hand. Friday (talk) 05:55, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Hey Friday, thank you for your message. It's okay, I'm sticking around. Your support helped a lot, and I really appreciate it. Onwards and upwards. ;-) SlimVirgin 13:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Friday!!!!!!!!!!

There is vandalism...can you not see the article? I can only think that these admins are either the vandals or the are stupid. Chooserr

Friday please look here and tell me it isn't vandalism. Please click one of those links...Chooserr

That's not vandalism. Look at the edits make immediately after- the editor fixed their mistakes. Please stop reporting this as vandalism. Also, you should cut back on the reverting, someone could report you for a WP:3RR violation. Talk about content disputes on the talk page. Friday (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Please leave me be

Alright, I get it, Quinlivitarianism isn't worth including until we get some outside sources. Fine. For the love of Quinlivit, though, will you fellows leave me be now? —preceding unsigned comment by 136.176.98.92 (talk • contribs)

Deletion

Since you handled the deletion of the Raft_hollingsworth page so promptly you may not have seen that I did not go through all the deletion steps, because I got stuck on the second step. IMHO the AfD instructions in step 2 are less than clear, can you clarify what they mean? Thanks, SailorfromNH 01:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Man, they are quick around here, but I think I get it, next one I do hopefully won't be a speedy delete, but you never know what I might stumble upon. Mostly I do linkrot, though SailorfromNH 02:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Multi

I have looked into it, and have found out that Chooserr was unblocked today. I am still here, editing and contributing. I have recently expanded the Rudyard Kipling article if you don't believe me. Thawa

My laugh for the day

Comes from your apparent uncertainty here. - brenneman 02:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Revert war

I mostly agree with what you say, except in that vandalism is one of the very few, carefully enumerated, exceptions to the counter in 3RR, and if what Larryau has written on his user page is indicative of the deleted content, it is very clearly something other than vandalism. I see that Shreshth91 has said he thought it was vandalism, that would indicate for me misuse, rather than abuse of admin powers.

I should also say that I think that there are rare circumstances where I think 1RR is overly restrictive, though I admire the discipline of the 1RR crowd. --- Charles Stewart 16:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Accusation of POV pushing

You wrote:

I've seen several editors (myself included) express dismay at your apparent POV pushing.

Accusing me, without presenting evidence, hurts my reputation. The number of people who express "dismay" is not proof of wrongdoing on my part. Perhaps it shows the effectiveness of the attack on my reputation by repeating the accusation.

I left a request for you on my talk page. Uncle Ed 16:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Examples needed

You wrote:

My main point is that explanations have already been given of things you've done that others didn't consider neutral. Obviously you don't find the explanations convincing, but I can't agree with your assertions that no examples have been provided.

After you have given an example of a POV-pushing edit in the wolf hunting controversy spin-off article and explained which POV you feel I was pushing in it, I will reply further. Uncle Ed 17:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Unanswered question

I hate to fragment a discussion, but this is a special case.

I have asked you repeatedly what point of view you feel I pushed, and you cited the wolf hunting controversy spin-off article. You mentioned the phrase "hardly sporting" in your answer.

My question is: what point of view do you feel I was pushing with this phrase? Your answer was that the phrase was "POV" - but I don't know whether you meant:

1. it expresses the point of view of one side in the controversy (fulfills NPOV guidelines)
2. it expresses my point of view (not true, I actually have no feelings one way or another about wolf hunting)
3. it is biased writing
4. it is an unattributed point of view - i.e., it wasn't clear which side of the controversy advocates the POV that shooting wolves at close range violates sporting ethics.

Sorry to belabor the point, but the article you picked is an excellent example of me adhering to NPOV policy while doing my best to clarify opposing points of view in a controversy. The only fix needed was to attribute "hardly sporting" to the side which opposes the practice. Or to re-word it along the lines of wolf hunting opponents regard the close-range shooting of exhausted wolves as unethical - which AFAIR is what we all eventually settled on.

Are we understanding each other?

Do you feel that Misplaced Pages should explain each side of a controversy?

Is there any instance in which you feel I could have done this better? Uncle Ed 17:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Not really my words

Wasn't it user:Lao Wai who introduced the point of view about how "sporting" aerial wolf hunting was?

• "Less sporting, as some view it, is aerial hunting via helicopter. After chasing an entire pack into the ground, hunters land, walk up to the exhausted wolves and shoot them at close range. This is widely seen as not very sporting."

No one else objected

The wording Lao Wai put in - possibly a rephrasing of my "hardly sporting" contribution - has remained unchanged since July 2005, about half a year. Who's pushing a POV? Him or me? I say neither.

Rather, LW and I were describing a point of view which is widely held. I think Misplaced Pages needs a clarification on its policy on describing a point of view. Uncle Ed 18:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your welcoming message. I'll be sure to contact you in case I need assistence with the rules and requirements of Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Phaedriel 05:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 18:27, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Danish nonsense

I thought I was losing my mind when I saw that reappear. I reblocked it because I thought it was a glitch in the system. It's link spam, pure and simple. - Lucky 6.9 01:14, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Guess I might not have been. OK, let's let it ride. Why this user can't find better things to write about is beyond me. - Lucky 6.9 01:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Re:Errr

Did you save a mesaage accidentally, or was this all you meant to say? Friday (talk) 01:31, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Sometimes that is all there is to say, have a happy holiday. I am through with the war on DCV RfC. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 01:33, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy Holidays to you too. Friday (talk) 01:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I suppose somoeone will add an RfC on me because of my "rhetoric." on the RfC. lol. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 01:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I doubt it. I disagree with what you're saying and how you're saying it, though. Frankly, I'm surprised to see you defending someone who has made racist remarks. Friday (talk) 01:40, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I am defending someone who is one who has convinced me that they are one of the strongest people I know. A veces, tiene que luchar! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 01:47, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Danish doohickey, part II

Having trouble with the Net on this end; I was trying to revert it but couldn't. Thanks for getting me through this with a shred of sanity. - Lucky 6.9 02:24, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Caught your comment on Zoe's page. I didn't mean for my comment to come off heated. Sorry.  :) - Lucky 6.9 07:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

User Bill of Rights

You may be interested in Misplaced Pages:User Bill of Rights. (SEWilco 04:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC))

Image:BoycottWikipedia.jpg

Please vote to keep my image on Misplaced Pages. You may voice your opinion on whether or not to have the image deleted at . I also wanted to let you know that it looks like my WBC personal subpage will remain on Misplaced Pages.--JuanMuslim 22:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish inventors

Hi, I would appreciate if you would consider changing your vote on this as this was likely a bad faith nomination, with the user having a history of using multiple accounts to try and force the deletion of Jewish lists (see Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Antidote, and Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Antidote/Voting). Thanks Arniep 02:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

130.85.246.231 vandal

130.85.246.231 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) can't seem to leave Vagina alone. Maybe 15 minutes wasn't enough? Jasmol 05:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Update: forget it, somebody already blocked 'em. Cheers! Jasmol 05:37, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

authority

By what authority/policy/guideline did you decide to do this? --JWSchmidt 14:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

It was the right thing to do. As with any edit, if you disagree strongly enough to revert, you're certainly free to do so. Do you really think the Afd is likely to produce a useful result? Friday (talk) 14:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I trust the Afd process as a way to explore the views of the community. I agree that doing the right thing can trump community consensus if that consensus goes against policy. I also think that doing the right thing means explaining your actions when you try to avoid community consensus. In this case, that means explaining why you think Afd will not produce a useful result. --JWSchmidt 15:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't really expect such opposition. Actually, I was trying to encourage consensus to take over. As I've noted on the talk page, I have no intentions of revert warring over this if someone disagrees. I thought it was obvious why the Afd is a mess, but apparently not. I'll explain more on the talk page, I guess. Friday (talk) 15:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Cowbell

New little note there. Just in case you hadn't seen it. See ya. --LV 21:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

DCV

While I applaud your interest in civility, if an anon tells someone non-white that they should venture into stormfront... I honestly think her response was appropriate. No one should have to tolerate neo-nazi trolls. That's all there is to it. The anon IP is the one who needs to be blocked. Guettarda 23:02, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

You're right. One thing, tho- the troll made only one edit. There's a big difference between doing one bad thing, and a pattern of ill behavior. In all honestly, if she blasts back at rude anonymous racist trolls all day long, I won't take exception; they deserve it. I don't personally think that's what Misplaced Pages is for, but it's not a huge deal. If she treats an actual editor that way, that's another story, of course. Friday (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Coming off the RFC - which, justified or not turned into a bash-deeceevoice affair - and coming back to a neo-nazi on your talk page can't be fun for anyone. And however you meant your comment, it sounded like you were threatening her. Having something like that happen can't be fun - RFCs aren't, for the most part, constructive criticism. They're just criticism. IMO, having people tell you what's wrong with you is a devastating experience. Coming back and having people lay into her once again (the neonazi, and then you) seems to me like the kind of thing that would make a person dig their heels in. It would for me. I'm not saying you're wrong to hold her accountable for incivility. I'm just saying that I don't believe that your choice of words helped the situation very much. She's a valuable editor here, I would be very sad to lose her. Guettarda 23:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Alright, I believe you. It was probably very poor choice of timing and words. But I do feel that contributing to an environment of flame wars and racism is a very bad thing and there's no excuse for it, ever. So, I guess it was a threat- I fully intend to do my part to encourage civility. That means gentle reminders when they're adequate, and blocking as a last resort, if neccessary. I'll admit I'm quite dismayed at her apparent intention to continue making rude remarks and treat Misplaced Pages like a racial battleground. But, you make some good points; apparently I need to chill out. If continued incivility is an actual problem, perhaps someone else can deal with it. Thanks for taking the time to respond, and for being nice about it. Friday (talk) 23:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Friday, it is against Misplaced Pages policy to block someone as you are threatening to do to Deeceevoice. The Blocking policy is explicit in stating that only personal attacks which threaten someone can lead to a block. If you attempt to block Deeceevoice over something like this, especially when she was responding to a threateningly racist post on her talk page, I will report you for abuse of admin powers. As an admin myself, I guess I could respond to your threat by threatening to also block you back but that, as I said, is not what blocks are supposed to be used for. Anyway, I'm getting involved in this because there appears to be an organized drive to force Deeceevoice out of Misplaced Pages. I'm not saying you are taking part in this, but this is the perception in regards to recent actions against her. Anyway, you seem like a good editor and I just wanted to bring this to your attention.--Alabamaboy 00:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Blocking for repeated personal attacks is certainly within policy. However, point taken; I see no reason to discuss civility with that editor again, despite (or perhaps because of) my strong disapproval of her actions. Friday (talk) 00:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. A user can be banned for a pattern of behavior but there are a lot of procedures that must be gone through for that. Blocks, though, are not the tool for this and could cause other problems. Best,--Alabamaboy 00:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

As a point of information, it would appear that admins can now block users on their own initiative if there is a widespread pattern of personal attacks, under the "disruption" clause of the blocking policy. Regarding the incident mentioned above, I don't think it matters a great deal if Deeceevoice lashes out at obvious trolls and vandals. However, if she frequently does the same to editors in good standing, that's a problem. — Matt Crypto 09:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Also, the RFC amply showed that she does frequently abuse editors in good standing, and (more importantly) that she refuses to see this as a problem. I personally still don't see that there's an excuse for incivility. However, if the community wishes to tolerate such behavior, I can't do much about that other than express my disapproval. This issue may now be too sensitive for anything sensible to be done. I think there was unfortunate backlash in both directions on the RFC. On the one hand, she gets way more than her share of abuse. On the other, apparently as of late, she is not expected to uphold the same standards of civilized behavior as any other editor. I don't mind her insulting me on her own talk page (I expected no less), but other editors might take offense to such things, if aimed at them. Friday (talk) 15:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Grumble, and idea

Note:this is mostly a rant, so treat it as such. I've just been reading over the Misplaced Pages talk:Experimental Deletion page, and the crazyness of treating some edits different than all other edits does piss me off. Thinking about this, I had a idea I wanted to share with you. When I (or you) find an article with bad contents, we should replace it with a few words, more or less on the subject. It's not deletion, so none of the deletion policy folks can complain to us; it's just fixing bad content. If the title is bad, replace it with a few words on why the title is bad. Examples(culled from RC): http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Undelete&target=Nb_ridaz&timestamp=20051216021119 will do more later. Thoughts? JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:14, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I'm about to leave, but I'll most certainly get back to you on this. Friday (talk) 02:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

You've seen the same key problem that I see: treating deletion as a special case instead of "just another edit". Our current notion of "deletion" is just a side effect of how the software happens to work, and we've built strange processes around it instead of just simplifying the software. What you're describing seems to be more or less what some of the XD methods do. See Willie wumpa cheeks for an example. I like having some kind of box there that explains that the article was "deleted", with a short explanation of why. Extended discussion goes on the talk page, of course. I'm not sure I like the "it's not deletion, so people won't complain" idea. I'm not saying it's a bad argument, I just wish it wasn't neccessary. Some people do seem to be very opposed to anything new that hasn't been officially "blessed" somehow. I may have more thoughts on this over time. Friday (talk) 15:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Lori Gadzala

I think hypocracy only goes so far. If Matthew McLauchlin has an article, she should to. IMHO they are both just as notable (or there lackof.) --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 06:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Friday, thanks for your welcome. I'll try to do my best to write articles in the areas of my interest. Cheers. Ljubob

Test

Thanks for experimenting with Misplaced Pages! Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you! This is really an outrage. You have repeatedly redirected this page, which has been commented upon and edited by at least 200 persons, after being told not to do so. —the preceding unsigned comment is by Sam Sloan (talk • contribs)

I redirected it a few days ago, and again today. An explanation supporting the merge has been on the talk page for a couple days. I don't see how my edit was unreasonable at all. Friday (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing pages. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. What you call a "merger" is actually a deletion, and you did this after a VFD discussion had ended in which the decision had been made to keep. You have already done this several times before after being told by several users not to do that. More than 150 people had either edited or discussed this article and yet you feel that you, one person, can undo the work of all the others.

Sam Sloan 16:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I follow the WP:1RR, so I'm certainly not going to edit war over it, if that's your concern. But, there's civilized discussion of the merger happening on the talk page, as I explained to you. I wish you wouldn't call my edits vandalism, don't you think that's a bit over-the-top? Friday (talk) 16:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

deeceevoice arbitration

As a party to her RfC, you might be interested to know a request for arbitration has been filed towards deeceevoice Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Deeceevoice.

-Justforasecond 18:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm not touching that one with a 10 foot pole. My involvement in that situation wasn't helpful the first time, so I see no reason to get involved again. Friday (talk) 18:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

A complete shame that another excellent Wikipedian has encountered that little pile of incivility. Thought I'd return from my break to remind you that sometimes bending the rules is permissible...might want to think on that next time, eh? Rob Church 21:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Friday,

Not sure what Rob is talking about, but if you have evidence it would be appreciated. I am sure there will be a couple of pot-shots but in the end it should be a good thing for wikipedia. The user in question has been "uncivil" for a loooonng time.

-Justforasecond 00:06, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

The solution seems clear to me. Block for repeated incivility. Users who aren't willing to observe common decency are not helpful or welcome. Friday (talk) 06:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Assistance Request Concerning user Brazil4Linux

My god, it's frustrating... I'm in need of some assistance here, and not sure where I can turn to. I guess I'll start from the beginning.

There was an ongoing dispute between user GoldDragon and user Brazil4Linux that raged in the Sony Computer Entertainment article. Apparently Brazil was still mad, because he began to go into the Ken Kutaragi article and make to it, deleting large chunks. A revert war broke out, and Brian0918 Had to numerous times. Eventually, a group consensus was reached that favored GoldDragon. The article was fine until Brazil once again began . These massive reverts involved large deletions of , including the loss of contributions from Jacoplane and Jedi6. I saw this wild reverting going on on Brazil's part and took GoldDragon's side. During this period of time, Brazil made the statement that the US and Microsoft , which brought into direct question his ability to be impartial. He shortly therafter stopped posting, and instead, began relying on "anonymous" nonlogged in IP address postings, addresses such as 200.147.104.218, 200.147.140.213 and 200.147.97.92, which were all traced right back to Brazil, where he lived.

When it was brought to the group's attention of his utilizing these IP sockpuppets, he stopped using them, and immediately a user named quackshot, which had been created just a few days earlier, began to resume the The Kutaragi article was once again locked due to the edit wars.

I quickly called him out as a sockpuppet, at which time he began to enter numerous articles I had previously contributed to and began to make massive reverts under the guise of "reverting Doom127 vandalism", making numerous personal attacks regarding myself and attempting to re-ignite debates that were months old. Oftentimes his reverts altered things that He violated the 3RR rule, and was banned for 24 hours from Misplaced Pages. Almost immediately, anonymous IP addresses from Brazil (which finally at last have given me hard proof that Quackshot was Brazil4Linux) began popping up and

So now here we are. I can't violate the 3RR and restore the numerous articles he's damaged, so I ask you, as an experienced Wikimaster, to give me some assistance or advice to my next course of action. —the preceding unsigned comment is by Doom127 (talk • contribs)

Chase

Sorry but I disagree. IMO redirecting is a form of deletion which is why I oppose it. I did make clear my reasons either on the Afd or the talk page (I can't remember which), SqueakBox 16:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Your note to User:SpinyNorman

FYI, he's been doing the same at several animal-rights pages: lots of reverting and a bizarre use of sources. He's deleted my post to him about it. SlimVirgin 18:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

a reply!

lol. well, i thought perhaps it was a topic worth discussing, and , well, im thinking of making an article like that. Godess knows i need more decent edits around here. ... by the by, i happen to know who my daddies are. lolGimmiet 05:41, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

please respect my talk page, and dpo not add meterial to it that i have deleted, as for the other editors words, im sorry, but ,assive more or less destructive edits rto articles are not welcome here, are they? thats what hes up to.Gimmiet 17:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Did you see the reply I posted to his message? I put his original one back so the reply would have context. You really really should drop the anti-DG campaign. :-( Friday (talk) 17:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

i have no campaign., see what i said over there.Gimmiet 17:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Only

I've only stated in the article this: Reporting a Bigfoot(section title) If you have had a encounter with this thing/creature, go to a reputable Bigfoot website, data site. The organizations that own and run these site will send out investigators to investigate thie incident similar in manner to a police investigation, only this is NOT a crime." No more, no less. The section is repeatedly removed, for "nonsense". Millions of people read Misplaced Pages. How many read this online site, seeking info. to report this creature ? Already, one Wikipedian has reported encountering this thing.Martial Law 23:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

What he or she had found may also improve this article: Bigfoot.Martial Law 23:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia. We're not about doing original research on bigfoot or anything else. In fact, original research is specifically prohibited. We use reliable sources instead. Friday (talk) 23:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I had indicated only for the readers to go to a website/link to go to to report these things, no more, no less. The reader may be looking for a place to report these things and got referred to Misplaced Pages by other people As persuant to find websites, datasites to report these things. Misplaced Pages unintentionally provides this service to people.Martial Law 23:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

You yourself may hold the solution to the mystery, should you see one of these yourself.Martial Law 23:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

How do we settle this ? Can you ask User:Dreamguy to join in this effort ? I may have been caught in a crossfire between User:Beckjord, who says these things are alien, and User:Dreamguy, who appears to be a skeptic. How do I mediate this matter, and it looks I may have to do it. Need help. May provide experience in dispute resolution. My own E-mail is out of service, maybe my E-mail account has expired.Martial Law 00:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's Unintentional Service

Misplaced Pages is, as stated, is read by millions of people. Some read it to find a place to report a paranormal related incident without someone abusing, ridiculing them. In the Bigfoot artcle, I had stated that IF the readers has had an encounter with this creature, they are to find and use a reputable website, data site to do so, since some of these are already listed in the "External Links" section, thus the section stated and the abvove title stating Misplaced Pages's unintentional services. I did NOT intend to get caught up in someone else's personal war. Now that I am, what is the protocol for this ?Martial Law 01:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

This is the core of MY complaint, NOT trying to verify the existance of the creature known as Bigfoot, no more, no less.Martial Law 01:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Complaint settled

Seen the Wiki regs. on reporting these things. consider this complaint settled.Martial Law 07:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Association of Members' Advocates

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removed vote on the AfD for Ed Poor

Ytrewqt (talk · contribs) has just removed his "Keep" vote from Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ed Poor, after I had made a standard notation that his edit history consisted of just twenty-three edits, and that they were unusually bunched up into two very short periods of activity. To clarify, he hasn't struck out his vote or disavowed it, but rather removed it altogether. Since Misplaced Pages practice is generally against "let's pretend this never happened" (to put it mildly) I was about to restore the removed material, but since Ytrewqt has already alleged that it was a "personal attack" on him to note his limited history, I thought it would be best to leave it to the judgement of another whether it should be restored so that all can see that this vote was made and then commented on, or left alone so that only those who check the history see it. -- Antaeus Feldspar 05:09, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Valve Amplifier

Given equal care in circuit design(transistors and valves are part of circuit topology), there is really little difference in sound between a valve or solid state audio amplifier when operated within the parameters of the design. SS amps do not have to use negative feedback nor do valve amps. The advantage of valve amplifiers lies in the area where they are driven into clipping. SS amps throw out a heavy, dissonant third harmonic, valves emphasize even order harmonics when they approach clipping. The distortion of a valve sounds better than the distortion a bipolar transistor. I don't have enough experience with MOSFET output stages to comment on them. A major problem for valve amplifiers is that they must use output transformers to be efficient and tramsformers limit band width. In the early days of SS amps the transistors had to be isolated from speaker reactance by transformers, a practice that's being experimented with again. The point is: if an amplifier of any type has ample headroom and does not distort there should be no noticible difference between the two; the problem is many builders of tube amps design a small amount of distortion into their products to take advantage of the pleasing sound.

Thanks!

Thanks for reverting that vandalism to my user page. I appreciate it. Canderson7 19:56, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: For What It's Worth (on departure)

Thanks for the note, Friday. While it is heartening to know that not all admins agree with the mess that's been going on in the userbox community, I'm still bothered that (a) nothing is really being done about it, (b) that such departures from stated policy can somehow start in irc (a service I refuse to use, and shouldn't be part of a site with documented procedures in the first place!), and (c) nobody seems to want to back down. The actions of the various admins in question tell me that people with admin privs don't give a dingo's kidneys about my opinion, unless they happen to match their own. That is a position I cannot and will not tolerate. Until and unless Jimbo himself blocks these people and issues an apology, I'm taking this as a note that I'm no longer wanted here.

Since I have edits, my account won't be deleted. I may watch my talk page for a while, but just in case, you can always go to my user page and email me there. --Joe Sewell 21:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Pure wiki

hahaha... sorry I didn't. :-) --Deathphoenix 17:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Cast away

Robinsoe Crusoe were eavesdropping on two flies sitting on his shoulder. One said to the other, "No this guy doesn't have enough nutrition on him, I'll see you on Friday!"

Axezz 17:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

AMA

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God of War

I'm not going to unblock. The template in question, prior to being re-created (by, let us not forget, God of War himself) had been speedied as a personal attack eleven times at seven different administrators at three other titles that I know of; there were probably more. The TFD discussions of the template - which God of War participated in and where he acknowledged that it is an attack - contain numerous condemnations of this as a personal attack, including several threats by multiple administrators to block users and/or re-creators of the template. God of War's repost of the contents of the template itself were a brazen try at further disruption, and his attempts to paint it as a "content dispute" or the block to be unwarned are ludicrous. —Cryptic (talk) 23:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• It's sad when my attempts to find a compromise to a dispute are singled out as a Personal Attack by an Admin who disagrees with me. An almost identical copy of the template is undergoing a tfd right now at Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion#Template:User_2006_New_Year_Day_Participate. Selina did exactly what I did, she posted the box in the discussion so that everyone could see what it looked like. However while I removed the stalin image to try and find a compromise userbox, she did not. Now I was blocked and she was not. There is no way for me to appeal my block and now I will forever be known as a troll and a trouble maker for taking a POV opposite to that of an admin in a debate.

• With the current state of things, anyone criticising an admins actions is cited with a WP:NPA. There can be no consensus when critical speech is censored and taking the opposite view of an admin in a debate is incivil. With no checks on admin power, I am forced to wonder why I stick around this project at all. Someday all the disallusioned editors who believe in true consensus and debate over everyone feeling happy about themselves will make a mirror of this site and the editors from wikipedia will see that it is better and slowly start to move there. I am sure that within a few minutes a block will be re-instated against me even though I have taken pains to follow all of the Wiki-ettiquite laws I know of, in this message. If I am blocked for this post then everything I think to be true of wikipedia censorship will be confirmed--God of War 05:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not censorship, it's people responding to what they see as disruption. I don't agree that there was disruption deserving a block in this case, but we don't always get what we want. You're not going to "forever be known as a troll", if you establish a history of good editing. Any number of editors in good standing have been blocked before. I'm sorry about all this, but the best I can suggest is to just go on about your normal editing business, and maybe stay away from hornet's nests for a while. Friday (talk) 19:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

List of sexual slurs

Please vote on the AFD. I hope the people who say "cleanup" really want to kill the list.Voice of All 19:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Right on the money

Hey, Friday. Given your comments on DreamGuy's talk page, would you support an amendment to the blocking policy that would require talk page notification except in circumstances where it obviously isn't needed (i.e. WoW blocks)? I thought for sure that was policy, but surprisingly it's not. android79 01:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Certainly. I'd assumed it was there too; it's definitely a good practice. Friday (talk) 01:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Your input is welcome here. android79 02:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Transparent deletion

I think you would have to be pretty careful with an idea like this, as the vast majority of deleted material is stuff that we do not want the general public accessing under the Misplaced Pages name, period (copyvio, attack pages, actual nonsense articles). On the whole, I think there are enough admins willing to undelete a history so people can look at it when the article is under consideration, as you did. Because of this, the current system works alright, and I'm not sure creating an extra process for transparent deletion would be worth it, for the developers or for the admins who would face more complexity in their jobs. Christopher Parham (talk) 08:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Process wonk analogue

In the end, this is the insult of last resort, isn't it? Well, I say revel in your abstractions, especially when supported by the good sense I have always seen you display. - brenneman 15:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Aww, shucks. The irony is, I'm relatively anti-process myself. Well, not anti, but I'll choose product over process every time without reservation. Funny thing tho, I still frequently find myself strongly disagreeing with some of the most visible IAR advocates. I do see quite a difference in ignoring rules versus ignoring good-faith concerns of other editors. Friday (talk) 15:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Strangely, I also view myself as being about the content first, despite what I'm often told about how my mind works. To me "process" is just shorthand for "this is the way we do it most of the time, stick with that so we have to think about it less in order to be able to think about it more when we need to." And throw in a little bit of "if we all agree that that's how we'll do it and stick to that then we'll fight about it less." No wonder I usually say "process". - brenneman 15:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

While I'm here

There's a really terrible article I've cleaned up a little... like really terrible. I'd like to pass the buck to someone to finish the job. It's short, but it's badness makes all previous version of bad look good. Keen? - brenneman 15:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy to help. But, if it's the article I think it is, it's not a great choice for me. I use wikipedia from work a lot (I often have a couple minutes downtime during a build or a server restart), and so I'm not crazy about editing porn star articles or putting them on my watchlist. You never know when someone may get the wrong idea. Friday (talk) 16:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Heck, it's up to me then. I am going to need the longest, hottest shower ever known to man to get clean after some of this stuff.
brenneman 17:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Compromise on DCV and an apology

In recent days I have grown disgusted with Deeceevoice's comments and actions. As a result, I am withdrawing my support of her. That said, Justforasecond has behaved very poorly throughout this entire affair but more so in recent days, placing comments on DCV's talk page merely to stir up trouble. As such, I am proposing that both DCV and JFAS be placed on personal attack parole for a year at Perhaps this is a compromise that a majority of the parties involved could agree to. Please check it out and see what you think. Several people from opposing sides in this issue think they might be able to live with it. In addition, as a side note to this, I am apologizing for my use of "lynching" to describe this RfAr. Best, --Alabamaboy 22:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not too inclined to get involved in the Rfar- I could easily be seen as biased due to my previous dealings with her, and I don't see how I would accomplish anything useful. Friday (talk) 23:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

deeceevoice's departure

If you're interested in speculating about deeceevoice's departure. -- Jim Apple 05:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)