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February 2010

Thanks

For reverting that unhelpful comment on my talk page. --NeilN 21:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

You're very welcome. - Zhang He (talk) 21:30, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

"One little mistake"

As I tried to explain to you the last time, if this were an isolated incident it would not be a big deal. This is a long term pattern of yours, and if you won't take it seriously you are going to keep getting these types of messages, and will probably wind up going through the unpleasantness of WP:RFC/U. You need to try and learn from your errors and not repeat them again and again. Every time someone tries to explain this stuff to you you act like it's the first time it's ever come up and the other user is being overly rude or aggressive. You may want to consider the possibility that it is you, and not everybody else, who has a problem. I would again suggest to you that you consider the adopt a user program. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Why do you think I request reviews from Apparition? I request them so I can learn from the mistakes I've made and improve. I politely ask that you leave me alove. I will consider any other things from you harassment. - Zhang He (talk) 21:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I guess that you do have the right to request that Beeblebrox leave your talk page, but I've never seen him say or do anything towards you that was out of line. You do have a long history of bad reverts, and you did rollback an editor who was trying to add <references/> to an article and eventually made an erroneous report to AIV. Honestly, not only is that not blatant vandalism, it is blatantly constructive. Beeblebrox never threatened you or anything, but did correctly point out that you could be blocked for edit warring. Everything that I've seen him say here is true. I know that when someone is criticizing you, it is easy to take it more harshly than it really is. From a somewhat outside view, his comments and tone are perfectly fine. They may be a little stern, but when commenting on a long-term issue, sternness may be necessary. Instead of dismissing Beeblebrox's comments and (seemingly) believing that he has something against you personally, I would implore you to take his advice, admit that you screwed up, and just don't let it happen again.

You seem to have a tendency to think that some people who don't agree with you have something against you. Remember, that most users are simply trying to do what they believe is best for the project. I really do believe that you have made good strides in improving your anti-vandalism work, but, as in this case, you do still make some bad mistakes. When someone criticizes an edit of yours, listen to them, if you don't believe that it was a mistake, then explain your thoughts, but, if it was a mistake, own up and correct the problem. Remember, my first message to you came in the form of a template . If you listen and learn from others' criticisms and comments, they could end up helping you as much, or more, than I have. Apparition /Mistakes 23:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment. If you'll take a look at this and this, you'll see I wasn't the only one reverting its edits, so I don't think it's fair that I should be the only one warned.
Also, this is where his comments could be considered a personal attack, especially the summary he used. - Zhang He (talk) 03:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

You're right in that you weren't the only person who messed up there, but you did mess up there and have a history of this sort of thing. If this were an isolated incident, then this wouldn't be such a big deal, but it really is part of a larger pattern. If the other editors had a history of this sort of thing, then they'd likely be getting these messages, too. If I went in and made some erroneous WP:MOS edit, then most likely, I would most likely get an explanation in an edit summary. If I did it again, I'd likely get a comment on my talk page. If I continued doing it, then it would build up into warnings and possibly sanctions. I'm afraid, that's the point we are at now.

While Beeblebrox's comment there probably could've been worded differently, the fact is that you really do have a history with bad reverts. The comment really was true and there wasn't really a personal attack. Some of your behavior as of late looks to be pushing on some people's patience. Take a look at User talk:Apparition11#Your review to see that it is more there is more concern that one admin with this. You've now "banned" two people from your talk page in the past couple of weeks and have been extremely uncivil in several of your edit summaries and comments over the past month or so. Seriously, if you don't display that you understand other people's criticisms and will strive to correct problematic behaviors quickly, I'm afraid that it won't be long before another WP:ANI or an WP:RfC/U opens up and sanctions are made. The way it looks, it seems that you've started thinking that everyone who disagrees with you or your actions are against you. This may not be the truth, but it is the way it looks when going over your edits. You have to realize that nobody is here just to piss you off or get on your nerves. Apparition /Mistakes 08:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

List of surface-to-air missiles

The article should be renamed as it only shows MANPADS, not SAMs. Virtually all long range SAM systems as well as non-portable systems are missing. At best, it should have a "stub" template put in. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 05:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

There you go. I've undone my edits to both the article and your talk page. - Zhang He (talk) 05:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

You are made of smooth and amazing. Wanna help me beef up the article in question with some more info? 99.236.221.124 (talk) 10:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: 99.236.221.124's edits are not vandalism.

There is no US-Mexico border wall; in fact, serious talk about such a border has never begun in Congress. It is an unconstructive edit at the very least.Boomshadow  _contribs 16:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, understandable. - Zhang He (talk) 16:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Various reversions of edits on Ming Dynasty topics

You might want to look at this: Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Yongle the Great. After many attempts to get Yongle the Great to discuss - his edits, anything at all, he was blocked by another Administrator. But he is persistent, often using several IPs or accounts a day, and it is quite a job keeping up with him. If you ever seen an obvious sock puppet of his you can contact me or, if I'm not around, user:EyeSerene to get him blocked. Revert on sight as per our policy on block evasion. Thanks very much for your work with his edits. Dougweller (talk) 10:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. - Zhang He (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Gomes

I am removing uncited text. what is wrong with that. this is an encyclopedia based on sourced facts, is it not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.228.212 (talk) 19:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

You must provide a proper explanation. Saying, "if you can remove that, i can remove this" is not a proper explanation. Cheers! - Zhang He (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I have had the reverse problem. I put in cites to articles that didn't have any and have been accused of spam!! Can't win with Wiki I guess! Pharaway (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Reference or Citation Spamming: the repeated insertion of a particular citation or reference in multiple articles by a single contributor, added not to verify article content but rather to populate numerous articles with a particular citation. Variations of citation spamming include the removal of multiple valid sources and statements in an article in favor of a single, typically questionable or low-value, web source. Citation spamming is a subtle form of spam and should not be confused with legitimate good-faith additions intended to verify article content and help build the encyclopedia.842U (talk) 21:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

You realise it takes two to edit war, right?

I don't know or care who's right here; talk it out. You're both in the wrong. HalfShadow 19:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Understood. - Zhang He (talk) 19:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Second HalfShadow. The article has a talk page, why don't both of you try using it instead of this bickering in summaries and edit warring I'm seeing in the article history. If you can't agree, get a 3O, ask at the appropriate project or noticeboard, etc, but do not just keep warring for days on end. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I understand completely. What do you mean by get a 30? - Zhang He (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Third Opinion - a dispute resolution method when a dispute is just between two editors (neutral party offers a third, neutral view). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

i already attempted that as well collectonian with NPC listing subject but wasn't affective in this case. Anyways zhang he, I'm going to attempt to talk to you, if you revert my comment, then it will be my last attempt. but that doesn't mean I'm going to avoid you. you will have to start using the discussion section on talk page. regarding the characters article, it needs to be expanded with some sources and of course give more detail on the characters instead of just a table. the article will get nominated for deletion and it will most likely get deleted. if you want to know how to keep it look up WP:NOTE. Also about using a wiki, most of the time, Wiki's don't pass WP:ELNO. hardly ever, also it's more than just being stable, it's having a history about being stable, and having a number of members. Also on WP:ELYES, it tells us what to use, on #3 it says, "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Misplaced Pages article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons." on WP:ELMAYBE it gives a small opportunity for it to be used, but that's just 1 out of 3. as you can see, it asks for accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject. after reading PSUpedia, it does not follow this rule. so that's why it should be avoided.It's not neutral. I'm currently trying to see if wiki's should be used at all due to unreliable and basically the same as Misplaced Pages except without sources.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Pharaway & Accusation of Vandalism

As you have all requested, einsiders should not be used as a reference, so I took down my edits that used EInsiders information. There are also a fair number of other rticles that I put in using EInsiders information. The pages have not been changed except for the reference cites. The copy is too close to what is on the EInsiders website to credit to another source. Some of the sentences are almost completely the same as EInsiders. Should I put in for speedy delete for all those articles due to copyright issues or should I delete them? If you need a list of articles where this is a problem, I can do that if it helps. Pharaway (talk) 20:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

"The copy is too close to what is on the EInsiders website to credit to another source." Assuming you aren't talking about the quotations you added with your edits, inserting copy directly into Misplaced Pages from another source is wp:plagiarism. So that copy must be removed. 842U (talk) 21:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

question on my talk page about deleting content or using speedy delete. thanx Pharaway (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Locking pages with recurring vandalism

Hey there, the page I wrote and regularly update is constantly being hit with vandalism. It is getting rather tedious and time consuming to undo all the edits. The comments being posted are quite slanderous and are libelous. Is it possible to have a page locked for a period of time from anonymous users or all users until the vandals get bored and quit trying? JoshinWinnipeg (talk) 01:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you can. Just follow the instructions here. - Zhang He (talk) 01:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I have submitted a request. How likely are they to be granted in cases like these? JoshinWinnipeg (talk) 03:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Funnyfarmofdoom

No worries. I'm new to Huggle, but so far I love it. I went ahead and removed your warning from my talk page. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk) 03:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks like I beat you to it. =P - Zhang He (talk) 03:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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The creators of the page Neltor request that it be deleted65.213.246.201 (talk) 04:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Blanking pages is not the way to get a page deleted. - Zhang He (talk) 04:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The author has used wikipedia protocol to request deletion as the author of the majority of the content65.213.246.201 (talk) 04:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Caribou and Dick Manitoba

First of all. Thank you, GB, and Roj for your attention. If you did nothing else, I'd be grateful to all of you. Next, 66.65.94.122 and his likely sockpuppet, Richeye, did it again. Is a blocking and protection possible? Thanks. Note, you might as well reply to me here as my IP is that of a Library computer. Thanks again.205.189.194.249 (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

About the Caribou and Dick Manitoba vandal and sockpuppet
I’ve asked this question:

How do I deal with this edit fight?

I’ve also pasted this message on to the following talk pages:
User talk:Dl2000
User talk:GB fan
User talk:MuZemike
User talk:Richeye
User talk:Ronhjones
and, of course,
User talk:66.65.94.122. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.181.70 (talk) 17:46, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Damn, you beat me.

First of all, I'm kidding. I noticed you were beating me to a lot of the reverts, so I just wanted to thank you for your work. So often I feel like the only one on Huggle, so it's nice to see you help. Edit on! Funnyfarmofdoom (talk) 16:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I feel the same way sometimes. - Zhang He (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Bananaramaslama

You recently warned this user for blanking an article (Miss eWorld) they created. I deleted the article as a user request, although I suspect they aren't very familiar with Misplaced Pages. Although most cases of blanking are vandalism, you should probably check on the circumstances of blanking prior to warning them. No big deal, we have all done it. Cheers, -- Flyguy649 17:00, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot to check if that user was the creator on that one, because then I would requested the article's deletion with G7 (blanked or requested by creator). - Zhang He (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks for the rv on my user page. Much appreciated. Guettarda (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. - Zhang He (talk) 17:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the revert.

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I was gonna give you a cheeseburger, but it's Friday.

You're welcome. - Zhang He (talk) 02:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

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Do you think you could also apply this strategy to my profile, especially when I have told you twice that both profile User:milzo1986 and User:Macphisto are mine? Milzo1986 (talk) 02:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Your behavior is very suspicious. First, if you forgot your password, simply click "Forgot password?" on the login page. Second, how do I know what you're saying is even the truth? I have no way of checking your Internet service provider's address. For all I know, you could be playing a pratical joke or lying. - Zhang He (talk) 02:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Unfair

Yes, the next warning level would have been a level 2. But when warning users we should use our own discretion on what level warning to give them. In this case the user had vandalised three times already that day, and only really has vandalism edits in the last year. While, yes, it could be different people vandalising from the same IP address, it's obvious that the only people who edit Misplaced Pages from that address are vandals, and since it's been happening for more than 4 years, it's obvious that this vandalism isn't going to stop. So basically, giving a level 2 warning would merely give the user a chance to vandalise 2 more times (and it seems rather obvious that they would take this chance), why you'd want that is beyond me. - Kingpin (talk) 07:33, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

3RR warning

I am reverting harassment on my talk page. Seregain (talk) 07:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, it was warned, too. - Zhang He (talk) 07:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Seregain is within his rights to remove anything he wants from his talk page. It is the IP that's doing the edit warring by putting it back. Your warning to Seregain is incorrect. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 07:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Then I take back my warning. - Zhang He (talk) 07:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

He accused me of being 2 other banned users, I asked him for "the evidence" several times, and he reverted me each time without answering (even after I suggested he file checkuser instead of telling admins on AN/I that this is a fact yet being unable to provide proof that isn't just speculation based on 1 article that I edited several days ago).--94.136.35.108 (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Incivility is a WP:WQA issue. He has the right to delete anything from his talk page that he wants to. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 07:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

edit war

I'm disengaging. For the record, this user has stated as a fact to several admins that he has "evidence" that I am the same person as at least 2 banned users (because I edited an article that the other users apparently edited). I've asked him several times to provide this "evidence" or file a formal checkuser request, but he removes my comments as "harrassment" or "banned user comment" and refuses to answer them.--94.136.35.108 (talk) 07:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

His comments might be uncivil, but your reposting them is also uncivil. Users can delete anything they want from their talk pages. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 07:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Without a doubt, the above IP is the banned User:SuaveArt. Auntie E. (talk) 18:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

That's odd, seeing as this post is coming from a likely Seregain sockpuppet. "Aunt Entropy" was uninvolved in the AN/I report, but just as Seregain logged out, he/she has taken to lobbying users' talk pages falsely claiming that I'm a "sockpuppet" and requesting a ban for me. Since these user(s) want to forego a sock investigation and have me banned just because "they say so", I think that's just more proof of how little evidence they have here (it's just a strange stalking agenda which both accounts share). I'd recommend taking Seregain/Aunt Entropy to WP:SPI. I'm still willing to be checkusered. Are they?==94.136.35.108 (talk) 19:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

The IP is now on ice for the next month. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:10, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

STOP

You can STOP flagging me with "last warning" and undoing changes on http://en.wikipedia.org/Peterborough_Green-Up RIGHT AWAY. 1) I work for the organization 2) The page was not authorized by the organization 3) The page has SIGNIFICANT ERRORS 4) Until I have a chance to personally edit the page and write the content myself, I want it left blank —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.91.85 (talk) 07:36, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks like a classic WP:OWN combined with WP:COI. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 07:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't have said it better myself, Bugs. :) - Zhang He (talk) 07:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

If he's got issues with the article, he can raise them on the article's talk page. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 07:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Yongle sock

Thanks. He's really messed up those categories, I don't know how to straighten them out. Dougweller (talk) 10:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Here's its talk page if you want to block it. - Zhang He (talk) 15:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Blocked it this am, but he seems to have an inexhaustible supply of IP addresses, and a range block is not possible because of that. Dougweller (talk) 15:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I take it "am" means morning? Anyway, I asked because I didn't see a "blocked" template on its talk page. - Zhang He (talk) 15:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Oops, my bad, I think I got a phone call. Yes, am is this morning. I'll put the template on. Dougweller (talk) 15:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hello Zhang, why have you reverted what I wrote on Bullfighting? I was just adding new information, that would interest people, as I´m part of a antibullfighting group working to stop it in Catalonia. We iniciated the ILP to ban bullfights in Catalunya. I also added the webpage of our work: www.prou.cat , check it out, please. Adam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adammacia (talk • contribs) 17:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:EL. - Zhang He (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the revert on my user page. PaleAqua (talk) 18:10, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. However, I think you mean your talk page. - Zhang He (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

User page vandal

I just blocked the IP for 31 hours. Someone in Mexico City. Dougweller (talk) 19:08, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Cookie

Where is the cookie you said to give me? I didn't see it. ActivExpression 19:13, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know where to get the templates, so I just use invisible cookies. - Zhang He (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok.Thats fine with me! ActivExpression 02:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit to Bidisha page

Hello and many thanks for your message. This is Bidisha and I have been editing my own page on Misplaced Pages. I am a writer, broadcaster and critic with the BBC World Service, represented by the Susijn Literary Agency and by Summersdale publishers as well as by the BBC. I do not use my surname in public and never have. The reason I don't use my surname is serious, private and family-related. My surname has never been a matter of public record and I am astounded that it is being used on a Misplaced Pages page against my will, and reinserted when I have removed it. Let me state very clearly that the use of my surname is occurring against my will and against the will of my agent, publishers and bosses at the BBC. I have set no precedent for using my surname in public life, do not permit it and do not give my consent. Please do not reinsert it. I consider this to be an extremely serious matter of public and artistic identity. I will not enter into any further personal discussion about this. If Misplaced Pages does not remedy this persistent problem we will lodge a formal complaint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.42.161 (talk • contribs)

If you have an issue with an article, talk about it on said article's talk page instead of removing its content. I will be messaging you on your talk page shortly with something that may be able to explain it better. Cheers! - Zhang He (talk) 20:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Zhang He, thank you for your decision to end recurrent deletions from the Bidisha article. These changes were made on a daily basis without any discussion or rationale and from a variety of IP addresses. It seems now they were an attempt to censor an issue of fact in an article by the article's subject herself. Hopefully your intervention will end the debate. Alistair Stevenson (talk) 20:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

That's what I do.

'Faster than a program (on a good day).' Might want to consider semi-protect; this looks like a constant occurence. HalfShadow 20:47, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't really care. Besides, the more vandals that vandalize my userpage, the higher my vandal counter goes. I may add a counter to my talk page. However, I first have to figure out how many times it's been vandalized. Boy, that'll be hard. :) - Zhang He (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for this--Mbz1 (talk) 21:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. - Zhang He (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Message

How did I vandalize Billa (2009 film) wikipedia page? I am just adding details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.88.78.94 (talk • contribs)

Re: Your recent message on my page

I too missed the edit summary that the IP left on their edit to Enoch. I do not know if the move was correct, but it definitely was done in good faith so I self reverted and struck my message on their page. I wanted to come here to express my appreciation for your support, though. Thanks Tiderolls 00:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

W. Lawrence S. Prabhakar

In restoring the speedy deletion template to W. Lawrence S. Prabhakar, you have also been repeatedly blanking the author's efforts to add a primary source reference. I have declined your speedy and restored the source. Whatever issues you may have with the article, blanking content is not a way to go about it, but I'm sure it was inadvertent on your part, thanks. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't the original tagger. I was simply just reverting the user because creators are not allowed to remove speedy deletion templates from pages they have created themselves. - Zhang He (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I know, but when using undo or rollback we need to be sure that we are not also removing useful edits. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks for the message. :) - Zhang He (talk) 17:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you for catching "blanked" page

That was a technical mistake -- I had made a small edit, but for some reason after clicking SAVE I got a blank screen -- then your talk message saying I had blanked the entire article. Have no idea how that happened -- but am glad you caught it and presumably corrected the blanking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaffrey (talk • contribs) 05:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) - Zhang He (talk) 05:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Author blanking of article

I notice that you recently reverted an edit where the author of the article Bulletproof (Iyaz song) had blanked that article, and you placed a warning on that user's talk page, using Huggle. However, it is generally accepted that if the author of an article blanks the article, and no other user has added any significant content, then the blanking is taken as indicating that the author wants the page deleted, and it can then be tagged for speedy deletion with {{db-blanked}}. Very often new users who don't know how Misplaced Pages works see an article they have created tagged for deletion, accept that the article should be deleted, and remove the content, thinking that is deleting it. It is much better in such a case not to bite the newcomer by giving them a warning that they have done something wrong by trying to comply with the deletion notice. You may know all this already: I know from my own experience of using Huggle that it is very easy to slip into simply clicking on the revert button and moving on without checking the edit carefully enough, but I thought it would not harm to mention this. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)