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3RR

Hickory. As a relatively new user you may not be aware of the 3RR. You might want to consider whether you are sailing close to the wind on this on the John Hagelin article. (olive (talk) 16:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC))

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• WP:3RR

The "three-revert rule" ("3RR") is a bright-line rule concerning blatant overuse of reverting, a common kind of edit war behavior. It states that a user who makes more than three revert actions (of any kind) on any one page within a 24-hour period, may be considered to be edit warring, and blocked appropriately, usually for a 24-hour period for a first incident. 3RR draws a line where edit warring via reverts is clearly beyond a reasonable level and action will be taken if it has not already been. As such it does not apply in a few narrowly defined situations where there is no edit war (listed below).

Note that any administrator may still act whenever they believe a user's behavior constitutes edit warring, and any user may report warring behaviors rather than retaliate, whether or not 3RR has been breached.

Thanks for your feedback, Olive. I have no desire to participate in an "edit war," and I hope the other editors working on Hagelin's biography will weigh in on the Dallas Observer quote. But I don't think you and Fladrif should have reverted my input without discussing the issues thoroughly with me, because I don't think you're right to keep that quote in. I prefer that Misplaced Pages maintain an objective, courteous tone in its coverage, particularly in its biographies. It's not that I'm a Pollyanna--I think there are people for whom it's very appropriate to cite references noting that they are crackpots or that they are ostracized by responsible people. Holocaust deniers and racists, for example. But Hagelin is a superb scientist and a humanitarian. You and Faldrif may or may not agree with his views about consciousness, but I think that Misplaced Pages has to be cautious about propagating slander--sourced or not. "Once considered a top scientist, Hagelin's former academic peers ostracized him" comes pretty close. Anyway, I'll let other editors think this through and come to a consensus. I've made my point of view clear and don't wish to belabor it. Hickorybark (talk) 16:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration notice

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#Transcendental Meditation movement and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration;
• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration guide.

Thanks, –MuZemike 19:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental Meditation movement

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental Meditation movement/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental Meditation movement/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Dougweller (talk) 11:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Need help?

I'm surprised an arbitration clerk hasn't stepped up to help you with your evidence submission, but I've been watching helplessly for the last half hour or so as you have added your evidence, deleted it, moved it into Tucker's section, copied it out of there, removed the redundant text and then deleted your entire evidence section again. If I had any idea what you were trying to do, maybe I could help, and maybe not (I also tend to have a hard time using those templates properly). Another suggestion: email the clerks for assistance (The address should be at the top of the page) or ask at the talk page that's associated with the evidence page. Good luck, Woonpton (talk) 20:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! I was getting a little frustrated there. I think it's in the right place now.Hickorybark (talk) 20:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

It looks ok now. Sorry, but not only did my PC crash, I was busy doing other things, some in RL, and hadn't realised you'd written on my talk page. I don't know why I didn't see the New Message indicator. I might have missed it anyway because I would have looked at recent messages at the bottom of the page, and you appended yours to another discussion at the top. Always start a new section at the bottom. If you look at the tabs at the top of a talk page, it has User, then talk, then Edit, then in my case +, which is Start a new section. Click on that and you're away. There's also a clerks' talk page, Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Clerks. Dougweller (talk) 21:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, no problem. Thank you.Hickorybark (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

TM Arbitration

Clerk Notice Please reduce the size of your section on the evidence page. Sections are limited to 1000 words in total and this requirement is stated twice on the arbitration page. Seddon | 10:59, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Response by User:David Spector in the TM Arbitration

• What I mean is that scientists not familiar with TM can easily dismiss TM as bad science, since it superficially looks like your typical fringe organization, with TM's grandiose claims, such as the development of higher states of consciousness.
• Only about 100-150 of the studies are non-redundant citations and are good science (such as having sufficient N to confirm hypotheses). This is WP:OR so cannot be included in the article. Confirmation awaits fair "outside" evaluation.
• Now it's $24 million? It keeps going up. Anyway, even if NIH gave large grants, that doesn't prove that TM is accepted by mainstream doctors and researchers. IMO, most of them have no idea what TM is.
• There is no controversy about the main features of the Darwinian theory of evolution; it has been called the most thoroughly confirmed of all scientific theories. That is why I call it mainstream science. TM, unfortunately, does not have good enough studies to have convinced mainstream scientists and medical people. That is why some doctors ignorant of TM, such as Doc James, are so dead-set against it, as they would be against phrenology or the use of magnets to cure cancer. Most doctors who have learned TM themselves, in my experience, praise it and recommend it to their patients as a general aid to health.
• "dangerous medical claims" doesn't refer to TM but to Maharishi Vedic Vibration Technology. A typical claim is that whispering a Vedic sound can cure a patient of cancer. The danger comes from delaying potentially helpful mainline allopathic treatment.
• I agree that the word "pseudoscience" is not always used correctly. That was my point. An intelligent person reading quickly about TM or the Maharishi Effect (with its analogy of the Meissner Effect) might conclude that many explanations are pseudoscience.
• Stating the limitations of research is vital when grand claims are made. It is also part of good practice when writing up and publishing scientific research results. David Spector 23:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

My reply

I will post here soon.Hickorybark (talk) 23:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

No footnotes

Hickorybark, you've neglected to add any evidence of "anti-TM" edits by me, or of my adding significant material about cult or religion issues. You simply assert, without any proof, that I am responsible for that content. I am not responsible for that content, and have made only small additions to it. Please either substantiate the charges or remove them. I'm sure you're an honorable person who wouldn't continue to make false accusations once the problem has been pointed out to you.   Will Beback  talk  20:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Writing encyclopedia articles is not much different from writing term papers in college. Writers are expected to use their own words, or to clearly attribute copied material. This edit included material copied verbatim from this webpage, without any attribution or citation to indicate its source. In the academic world that is known as plagiarism, and is a serious offense. The material has now been deleted. Please do not copy text again. Instead, either use your own words or, in rare circumstances, quote the author directly using quotation marks.   Will Beback  talk  10:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much for catching that. I'll be more careful in the future.Hickorybark (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm shocked. Students get expelled, and academics lose their jobs for doing this.Fladrif (talk) 16:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)