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	:Calling it propaganda is your personal POV. It is a paper by a university professor and a perfectly acceptable source. Here is a working link. ]--] (]) 04:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)		:Calling it propaganda is your personal POV. It is a paper by a university professor and a perfectly acceptable source. Here is a working link. ]--] (]) 04:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

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Template:Neighborhoods of Jerusalem

Hi Gila! Just wondering why you deleted Bab a-Zahara from the abovementioned template. It seems to be considered a neighborhood, and the article has since been created (translated from Hebrew wiki). Would you be opposed to it being put back? Thanks, Keyed In (talk) 15:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

There was no article on it for a very long time and I presumed it wasn't an operating neighborhood. You are welcome to restore it.--Gilabrand (talk) 15:35, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Will do. Keyed In (talk) 15:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

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Read WP:CAT

In reference to Winery this edit to Golan Heights Winery, please read the relevant policies before undoing correct edits, in this case WP:CAT. You should not place every winery in the world in Cat:Wine companies, since there exists subordinate categories for wineries per country. Thank you. Tomas e (talk) 21:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion at ANI

Greetings, Gila. There is a discussion underway at ANI that I believe you will find of particular interest. Hertz1888 (talk) 05:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah well, it's an uphill battle, ain't it? Interesting what these people spend their time on when they could be improving the substandard articles and crap written about Arab/Palestinian villages/ affairs. I wonder why they think they are "promoting their cause." In reality, they are only shooting themselves in the foot.--Gilabrand (talk) 06:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Obsession and demonizing can be a great waste of human potential. Hertz1888 (talk) 16:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

List of Syrian towns and villages destroyed by Israel

Shalom Gila. I know these discussions can get heated and intense, but could you please strike out your "Supremenothingness" reference in regards to Supreme Deliciousness. Its not constructive to the discussion and might be considered a personal attack. Thanks. --nsaum75 20:54, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hrs for edit warring on List of Syrian towns and villages destroyed by Israel

The edit warring on List of Syrian towns and villages destroyed by Israel was inappropriate by both User:Supreme Deliciousness and User:Gilabrand. This behavior violated Misplaced Pages core policies such as do not use Misplaced Pages as a battleground, edit in a neutral point of view, treat editors with respect and in an adult manner, WP:DISRUPT, and WP:EDITWAR.

Both accounts are blocked for 24 hours for abuse of Misplaced Pages policies.

Find somewhere else to fight this battle. When you participate here we expect you to be adult and cooperative, and to abide by Misplaced Pages policies. Failure to do so is not acceptable. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 09:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

ANI notice (again!)

Hello, Gilabrand. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Giant Snowman 15:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

The totality of what you've done with the article is extremely disturbing to me, however one issue stands out rather squarely.

You have repeatedly edit-warred to reinsert mention of the 2007 Syrian nuclear reactor airstrike into the article.

The airstrike was 300 km east/northeast from the Golan Heights and 40 years after they were captured.

There is no reasonable explanation for this edit warring. You are obviously with that point merely trying to throw anti-Syrian critical information on the wall of this article and make it stick, whether it is relevant for this article or not. I cannot assume good faith about that contribution, it's so illogical that you obviously are being intentionally abusive by re-adding it.

Other administrators are continuing to review the totality of the situation - but, on this point, if you re-add the reactor to the article again, you will be blocked. Please consider this a final warning on that point.

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

My edits to the article have only improved it, by pushing the editors involved to see what a bunch of crap it was and make it better. I have edited thousands of articles on Misplaced Pages in the hopes of making it a less skewed and more reliable source. Unfortunately, some people think the best way to advance their agendas is to go whining to administrators. --Gilabrand (talk) 18:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

On other article topics you contribute positively, yes. On this topic, however, you contribute disruptively and seemingly blind to your own negative influence.

There is no rational or logical way to connect an event 300 km away and 40 years later to the article. That you are defending those actions in any way is indicative of your problematic mindset and responses here.

Have you considered not participating in articles on Israeli/Palestinean issues? Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It is ludicrous but highly reflective of the pathetic reality of Misplaced Pages that you are suggesting one of the best editors of I/P issue articles should consider stopping her contributions. It is thanks to much of her work that some articles are now SLIGHTLY less biased against Israel. Misplaced Pages will never be objective and free of the constant vilification of Israel and Zionism in general, but at least users like Gilabrand keep working hard to slowly fight this sad trend. Breein1007 (talk) 04:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (Gaza Strip)

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Science and technology in Israel

Hi Gilabrand, I see you've also been editing this article and you have made good changes and additions. I have a lot more to add on this topic too. I noticed you moved the picture of the Weizmann Institute back up to the top of the article from where I had placed it next to the section on Scientific Institutions. I agree that there isn't space to insert a picture of any more of those institutions right next to that section, but I'd like to ask you to consider moving it back for two reasons: the picture is most topically related to that section, and placing it next to the top section causes a large white space bewteen the top section and the next part of the article. Thanks, Chefallen (talk) 08:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this article needs a lot of work and I'm glad someone cares. The reason I put the photo there is because a photo in the introduction makes it more attractive to readers. A plain block of text is plain boring. If you have a more "embracing" photo that would fit, please add it, but I think this one is just fine to introduce the subject of "science and technology." --Gilabrand (talk) 08:04, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Argaman

Hello Gilabrand! I saw that you added a Hebrew interwiki link to Argaman (grape). While I don't understand that language, the presence of terms such as RGB and CMYK in that article makes me suspect it is an article on the colour "crimson" rather than the grape variety named after this colour? Could you possibly check if this iw link is really correct? Regards, Tomas e (talk) 15:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Tomas. You are right. It is about the color. --Gilabrand (talk) 15:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Apology

I'd quite like some form of apology for your unwarranted and baseless accusation here. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 13:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if I upset you.--Gilabrand (talk) 16:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Not really an apology, but thank you. For future reference, try and keep accusations of POV/Bias to situations where you have a leg to stand on - for example, when you aren't accusing a jewish law student of being biased in their attempts to delete an Israeli law firm. Ironholds (talk) 17:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Topic bans

Hi. I'm not sure how to deal with topic bans but I wonder if your way is the correct one. I've posted a query about it at WP:ANI, you may want to check it out. I suggest both of us follow the guidelines given there. In the meantime I've reverted my restoration of the comments to avoid an edit war. CheersJeppiz (talk) 20:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

cook afd

Please do not continue to remove others comments. They are not "banned users" whose comments may be deleted. They are topic banned from I/P edits and if you feel that they are in violation of that topic ban you should go to WP:AE, not unilaterally removing others comments. Also, the 3RR applies to that page as well. nableezy - 21:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

This is precisely the topic they are banned from participating in. --Gilabrand (talk) 21:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

This is not a clear cut case and either way the proper procedure if you feel they have violated the topic ban is to raise the issue at arbitration enforcement, not to unilaterally remove their edits. nableezy - 21:32, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

"This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Canadian Monkey (talk · contribs), G-Dett (talk · contribs), MeteorMaker (talk · contribs), Nickhh (talk · contribs), Nishidani (talk · contribs), NoCal100 (talk · contribs), and Pedrito (talk · contribs) are prohibited from editing any Arab-Israeli conflict-related article/talk page or discussing on the dispute anywhere else on the project." That seems pretty clear cut to me. --Gilabrand (talk) 21:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

The "clear cut" was in reference to whether or not that a journalist who writes about the conflict is part of the "Arab-Israeli conflict". And that does not even really matter, the point is that if you feel they have violated their topic bans you should go to WP:AE, not unilaterally remove their comments. nableezy - 21:56, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

replied on my talk. nableezy - 17:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Yochanan Muffs

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Boy, you are fast. I am in the process of creating this article, which I began a few minutes ago. His notability is beyond question.--Gilabrand (talk) 07:00, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Ghajar Article

Thank you for rescuing this article! I was beginning to lose patience. That guy really doesn't give up easily. Breein1007 (talk) 16:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I know

It's pretty incredible huh.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 06:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Request for Enforcement

Hello. Just a brief courtesy note to mention that I filed an arbitration enforcement that reflects one or more diffs involving your edits (though I should point out you are certainly not the focus of the enforcement request). See here. I regret that it came to this, especially given that I was at the end of the day on the same side of the issue at the AfD as those editors I am now reporting. But as you know from my comments at the AfD, I was troubled by what I viewed as willful flouting of topic bans, and related editing activity. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Gil Weinberg

Hi Gillabrand,

This is Gil Weinberg trying to update my own wikipedia page to focus on more relevant and new details. You just changed my edits, and since there is an npr piece today linking to it (actually airing right now - http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2009/12/robot_music_play_it_again_shim.html) I would greatly appriciate it if you can bring back my edits.

Sorry, but I do not know how else I can contact you, so I hope this is O.K

Thanks so much

gIL

Gilabrand,

It is really ridiculous that you don't let me edit my own page with relevant and important information. I don't know where you got the trivial and unimportant information you insist to bring back after deleting my edits. Who cares that I played piano since I was 7? I worked with Igal Bareket for less than a year when I was 20. The Musical Shaper and Beatbugs are old student projects that have no wikipedia (or other) reference since, well, they are old an not so important . All of these unimportant details (again, I have no idea where you got them) do not tell the story of what I'm doing.

I am now the director of GTCMT - http://gtcmt.gatech.edu. This is my Professional page - http://gtcmt.coa.gatech.edu/?p=63 (and not the broken link you insisted on bringing back). I started a company where I am the CTO - http://www.zoozbeat.com, I have new much more big scale projects which are much more important than my old student projects such as http://gtcmt.coa.gatech.edu/?p=628 and - http://gtcmt.coa.gatech.edu/?p=634

Who are you to delete all my improtant and relevant edits and bring back the unimportant "play piano since he was 7" stuff? This is completely outrageous.

Please contact me ASAP because what you are doing signifies everything wrong about Misplaced Pages and I would like to discuss with you how this can be improved. My email is gilw@gatech.edu.

Gil Weinberg

Move

Regardless of your opinion, there needs to be discussion on the talk page first. If your claim that that is how it is referred to is true, why does "Northwest Airlines Flight 253" get five times as many google hits as "Christmas Day bombing attempt". Please bring the issue up at the talk page, and if the opinion is that the new title is better, then it can be moved. Grsz 06:53, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

The naming convention used by the relevant WikiProject for such aviation disaster articles is posted at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force#Accident article naming conventions. Thus, you do need to bring it to the talk page to request a move if it does qualify for the "if the event has acquired a popular name" exception instead of the standard "<<airline>> Flight <<flight number>>". Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

This is not an accident, and my reasons for the move were spelled out in the summary. There is such a thing as editing using your brains. Most people looking for information have no idea what the flight number is, so Northwestern Flight &%^$## (or whatever number it is) is a STUPID name. But of course that's only my opinion and the opinion of a large number of newspaper editors. So you can do whatever you like. I don't care much one way or other. I was only trying to make it a more sensible article. --Gilabrand (talk) 07:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

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Israeli cuisine

I think we are both working towards a common goal in this article and I believe we have both made solid and helpful contributions to its development. I therefore ask you to tone down your belligerent and uncivil comments in the edit summaries, which I find offensive and discouraging, particularly when attached to material that I have added in good faith and based on reliable sources. Phrases like "delete nonsense" and sarcastic remarks like "copyedit for women's cooking magazine style" and "Ever heard of Turkish coffee & chai" are not conducive to working in a collaborative manner. Straightforward comments like "edit for clarity" or "removed incorrect information" and a referral to the Discussion page will be more effective in making this a more cooperative and productive undertaking. Regards, -- Chefallen (talk) 17:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I offended you. I was not aware that you were the author/researcher. This article has been around for years, and I have worked on bits and pieces of it in the past. I assumed your contributions were recent, not the stuff I was copyediting. I will be more careful in the future. Bringing up the level of Israel/Palestine related articles is indeed an important mission. --Gilabrand (talk) 17:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the apology. I’m not necessarily the author/researcher for all the items you commented on but it is best to keep things civil regardless. I believe we are generally on the same page about developing this article so if we have any issues, let’s take them to the Discussion page to work out rather than the edit summaries. -- Chefallen (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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Mordechai Weingarten

Dear Gilabrand, I accept your decision to remove the picture of Weingarten's friend the Armenian Patriach. But could I ask if you could help improve this article? Particularly I cannot find his date of birth, or his death. Is it correct that his home overlooked the Armenian Quarter? I picture it as being on the street leading down from the Zion Gate. Padres Hana (talk) 12:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

The reason I removed the photo was that without a photo of Weingarten himself, it kind of took over the article. Maybe you can add it back when the article is more filled out. I'm not really sure about the location of his home. I will try to look for more information about him when I get a chance. --Gilabrand (talk) 13:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Israel FAR

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Sharon Genish

I saw you put up this article for speedy deletion. Personally, I agree that she doesn't appear all that notable, but it's very likely an admin will decline it in the absence of a specific rationale (it appears you just used a generic CSD template). Mbinebri 16:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

As reviewing admin, I think this shows at least some minimal importance, so not appropriate for speedy deletion. That's all it has to show to escape speedy. Passing speedy is much less than notability--any indication that it might be is sufficient. Please check WP:CSD. As for the article, First look for sources, & if not found, only then nominate for deletion. See WP:BEFORE. DGG ( talk ) 17:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Yehuda Amichai

Hi. I've just been away for a few days, after struggling unsuccessfully in my attempts to help Afalpi understand how to construct a high-quality, NPOV, Misplaced Pages article, and it was with great relief that I returned to see your excellent work on Yehuda Amichai - especially getting the criticism of Gold's biography into good, properly-sourced, shape. Many thanks - it's good to know I'm not alone. (If he keeps re-adding his NPOV opinions or replacing good text with his brand of broken English, sadly I see no other option but to start issuing him with the appropriate warnings and eventually request admin intervention if he should exceed level 4). -- Boing! said Zebedee 04:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

You said "I appreciate your comments very much. It can be very lonely, this battle against faceless entities suffering from a variety of strange obsessions". I know the feeling! He's come back again, and is getting more offensive by the day (Apparently you and I, plus another editor, are all the same person!). I think there is no alternative but to go for the warning/block route now, and with the help of another editor, he's already reached his final warning - his next bad edit will result in a request for admin intervention. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee 07:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Falafel

The article looks and reads much better after your edits, and your added keynote photo is most appealing. But... did you mean to leave out the Haifa restaurant photo? As you probably know, the discussion over it has not abated, and there is no consensus to remove it. Hertz1888 (talk) 09:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I have restored the image; you may be able to improve the layout. Hertz1888 (talk) 10:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the thumbs up, Hertz. Actually I have a problem with the photo because it mainly shows a slum building and a car. I'm sure there must be a better picture of a falafel stand!--Gilabrand (talk) 11:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

There must be. Curiously, aestheics are the least of the concerns driving the debate. Cheers, Hertz1888 (talk) 12:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your addition of the Falafel "sandwich" photo. I was looking over your photos, and have to say you have an eye for photography. Regards --nsaum75 06:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, when I saw "shrimp paste"...well...at least no one can say that they're served in Israel...except maybe at a Russian grocer. Anyhow, do with that section as you feel fit. I have searched and searched for info to help develop the history section, but everything seems to be a rehash of what is listed. --nsaum75 08:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Yehuda Amichai again

Not sure if you've seen it, but Epeefleche is trying to help with the conflict over the Yehuda Amichai article - see here. As one of the small number of editors involved, I thought you might like to contribute (or at least observe). -- Boing! said Zebedee 02:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the only solution is to ask for a block of this "editor" (an amalgam of at least three different accounts). Meanwhile it seems like I am just wasting my time...--Gilabrand (talk) 08:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, yes, I think it will ultimately have to come down to blocking him. But in the meantime I think we need to support Epeefleche's efforts, and then take it furter when that fails - not sure what the process is, mind (I did try WP:AIV, but that was rejected as not vandalism) -- Boing! said Zebedee 14:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I've replied to you here. Let's stick together and deal with this rationally, dude, and Misplaced Pages will benefit - good humour and the knowledge that the consensus will prevail should be our rod and staff. By the way, are you sure you're not really Ms Gold? - I'm beginning to wonder if I am ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee 14:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Images

Israel is in FAR. Would you mind throwing some alt texts in the images you included?Cptnono (talk) 11:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

What did you have in mind? The photos in this article are terrible, by the way, and are not a portrayal of Israel by any means. It doesn't deserve to be a featured article as it is.--Gilabrand (talk) 11:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Gilabrand, the pictures you removed had alt text, written by several users, over the last few days. Please add alt text to the pictures you added. okedem (talk) 13:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if I wrecked anything. I was not aware of any such thing as alt text. Is that something new? I assumed they were captions, and sounded pretty stupid.--Gilabrand (talk) 14:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

It's quite new. Wasn't an FA criteria back in the day. It's for stuff like screen readers (for the blind) - just explain what the picture shows. Personally - I don't see the point, but it's an FA criteria, so we need it. Captions supplement the picture; alt text (alternative text) replaces it. okedem (talk) 14:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Alt text isn't the biggest thing in the world and can really be just a quick line. It is useful for those with settings attempting to optimize slow connection speeds or for the blind. I just saw that there were way more images than I last paid attention to. Not sure if it was you but, Clinton clapping is a nice probably unintended touch and the windsurfer one should have been in a long time ago. Cptnono (talk) 10:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing, guys. I spent a whole day searching for photos to spice up the article (it's good I'm my own boss - otherwise I'd be fired long ago...LOL). Israel is such a colorful and diverse place, and the previous batch of photos was just not reflecting that.--Gilabrand (talk) 12:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

February 2010

Constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the article Geography of Israel has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. Thank you. Your edit summary here is completely inappropriate and unacceptable. Please read Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks RolandR (talk) 21:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Article assessment

Gilabrand, I am not sure you are aware of what article assessment is for. Assessment is meant for two purposes:

Rating the importance of a topic in relation to the main topic of the project (in this case, Israel)
Rating the importance of a topic for Misplaced Pages 1.0

This means that core topics of Israel like government, economy, defense, etc. are all core topics (top importance). Next are very important topics like universities, cities, etc. which are not already core topics. Next are all the other important topics for Israel. And then there's Pallywood, which is really not an important topic at all. It doesn't matter if it touches on a number of important issues; Pallywood as a topic is not important for WikiProject Israel. I ask you to please self-revert because this kind of disruptive rating borders on vandalism. —Ynhockey 12:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Well then, I disagree with your "rules." Who made you the rulemaker around here anyway. Importance to a project includes ALL matters of importance to a project, and I believe that Pallywood is of top importance. I am stunned at your narrow-minded way of thinking. You are holding the project back in more ways than one. I'd like to hear some other opinions on that and don't intend to revert until I do. --Gilabrand (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry that you feel that way. I did not invent the "rules", the Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team did, and in fact the "rules" are not rules at all, but instead an assessment scale based mostly on logic. I encourage you to read more about article assessment, what it was made for, and how it works.

By the way, I noticed that you assessed one of my recent articles, Battles of Negba, as C-class. I would like it very much if you left on the talk page a series of notes about what you believe is missing, so that I can hopefully improve the article to B-class before a GA run sometime later.

Cheers, Ynhockey 23:32, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with Gilabrand on this one. The use of media to sway public opinion, either though distortion, manipulation or the like, is very important to the topic of Israel and Misplaced Pages itself, and should be rated as such. The very creation of Israel has a lot to do with public relations after the horrors of WW II. That said, whether or not most Israelis realize it, the manipulation of public relations by those who oppose Israel, is now having the same affect on world wide politics and international support. With the explosion of information media and "amateur reporting" (ie: CNN.com's I-Reporter), it is much easier today to manipulate international opinion via the media, especially when the information being portrayed is intentionally designed to be full of passionate misinformation.

This isn't just affecting the "real world" media, but also here at Wiki. Recently there was a "skirmish" at falafel where two editors vehemently opposed to the inclusion of ANY photos from Israel, successfully used Misplaced Pages's own rules to force the removal of photos from Israel. Both editors clearly stated they were going to find ways to remove the Israeli photos and abused Misplaced Pages's rules regarding galleries. When attempts to replace Israeli photos with similar photos taken outside of Israel failed, they then began to flood the article with images with the self-stated intent of doing so to force the removal of Israeli photos. Over the period of a few days, the article became jumbled mess and it was declared that "in the interest of WP:MoS" all photos would be removed, except the ones originally in the article that were not found to be "controversial". When it was pointed out that by doing so was rewarding disruptive editing and abuse of Misplaced Pages rules, the response was to comment on it being "unfortunate", but MoS trumped all other concerns.

So, the issue of topics such as Pallywood, are indeed very important to not only Israel but also the development of Misplaced Pages, where such sources might be used to influence articles. --nsaum75 11:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm with Gilabrand too - I think Pallywood is a topic of importance, and I agree with nsaum75's reasoning. I think the PR war as engaged in by both sides, including positive PR about their own side and negative PR about the other's, is an important issue in contemporary Israel/Palestine - and I would probably say the same about any articles tackling the tricky topic of media propaganda, whichever side they were covering. (For the record, I'm neither Israeli nor Palestinian, and neither Jewish nor Muslim). -- Boing! said Zebedee 12:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, I also agree with nsaum and Gila on this. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 13:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The issue is simple. A topic can't be more important that its parent topic. Basically the hierarchy is like this:
Israel > Arab–Israeli conflict > Israeli–Palestinian conflict > Media coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict > Pallywood.
A topic lower in the hierarchy cannot be more important than one that's higher, because the higher one encompasses this topic as well as others. It's simple logic. I am not sure the people who commented here are quite looking at it from a Misplaced Pages 1.0 point of view. —Ynhockey 23:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Nsaum I reply at felafel about concern you write here. It un relate to israeli propaganda in media issue. Thank you. Ani medjool (talk) 23:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, YnHockey, but your argument is lame and unconvincing. You can go on as much as you like about technical issues like formatting and "logical" sequences, but there are more important issues at stake here, as pointed out above. --Gilabrand (talk) 04:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Shebaa

You really want the lead that short? That is a decent sized article, think it should give a better summary than just saying it is a disputed piece of land. nableezy - 15:43, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

If you want a longer lead, then someone needs to sum up the major points. All those numbers create an unreadable jumble, and the map was way too big and intrusive. Best, Gila--Gilabrand (talk) 15:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

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Content question

Why did you call this "nonsens". It is the Halakha. I do agree it was very awkwardly phrased. Perhaps you would care to propose a rewrite of it? Debresser (talk) 12:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

That statement is not appropriate for the lead and is not reliably sourced. Primary sources are not sufficient on Misplaced Pages. To have that as the opening line casts Judaism and its customs in a very bad light. Even if there are some people who think that way, they are clearly in the minority. If you claim otherwise, bring a reference for it (and move it down to an appropriately titled subsection).--Gilabrand (talk) 12:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you that this is not appropriate for the lede.
We had this discussion before somewhere (perhaps WP:RS/N) about primary sources, and consensus was that in view of the nature of the subject, halakha, such sources are definitely acceptable.
Please be informed that it is the halakha as it is ruled by all rabbical courts the world over, and not - as you claim - by some minority. Debresser (talk) 12:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I gave it a try. Please have a look. Debresser (talk) 12:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that is better. It would be better still if you brought a secondary source for it.--Gilabrand (talk) 12:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Done Debresser (talk) 12:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

And I replaced the two Jewish sources by another, more authorative one. Debresser (talk) 13:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I hope this is the beginning of a productive collaboration. Debresser (talk) 13:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

On a closer look at Luke's edits, I can see what the problem is. Still, I don't think blanket reversion is the way to go about it. He has a few sections that are worth developing.--Gilabrand (talk) 13:17, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

With him it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. And he has this history of making such edits. But I did leave them in place in another article (apart from the lede section), as I mentioned on WikiProject Judaism. Debresser (talk) 13:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Virtualtourist

Hi, Gila! I didn't realize that you were editing the VT article at the same time I was yesterday or the day before ;-). I see that you converted the lists of Top Ten Lists into prose, with the comment that "lists are discouraged on Misplaced Pages". Hmmmn, I checked a number of places like

and nowhere did I see that lists were discouraged, only excessive lists. From my own point of view, it's harder to read the items as prose in this case...and doesn't it seem ironic that a list of lists shouldn't be a list? ;-)
So, I would change it back to a list, as it's easier to read, but I thought I'd talk to you first...
William J. 'Bill' McCalpin (talk) 15:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bill! If you read the Laundromat article, you will see this: "As a rule of thumb, if more than about 30% of a non-list article consists of a list, it may be a problem." I see you have been adding material, but the truth is, the article is quite flimsy at the moment, and it was being taken over by two long lists that basically do nothing except link to other articles. I don't see lists of ugly buildings as being a key feature of VT. Right now there is a lot of "fluff" and self-glorification. More information needs to be brought into the article from the newspapers and magazines that have written about VT. These are "reliable sources" (whereas references to tips on VT are not).--Gilabrand (talk) 15:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I saw the rule of thumb, but the VT article didn't seem that overweighted towards lists to me. It's clear from the style manual that they want to avoid long lists of trivia, not outlaw lists in every case, but, of course, this is a judgment call, and different people will feel differently about it.

As for the fluff and self-glorification, I have been avoiding that as much as I could, while not being adverse to repeating things nice about VT. As you saw, I added the "User Considerations" section, which I think of 'things that someone might want to know before joining VT'. Oddly, another contributor deleted half of it, calling it "trivia"...what? It's trivia to know that when you upload your own photos to VT that you are giving VT a non-exclusive copyright to your works? In fact, I wasn't even sure that the management of VT would be very happy that I listed these things, but no complaints so far. (Note: I am not asking for or getting clearance from VT to post this stuff...)

In any case, yes, I have been asking VT staff for the citations that are unreferenced (they have them on paper in the office - I can't find them online), and I decided to add "Other Reviews" (so far, one in Italian and one in English) to do exactly what you suggest - bring in more info from 3rd party sources...on the whole, while the article is positive, it does not read like a press release (OK, it might in parts, but then so does every article on a business, because so many of the sources are press release), so I think we are accomplishing our mission of writing a good article for Misplaced Pages...

William J. 'Bill' McCalpin (talk) 19:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you can find solid sources for these statements, nobody can claim they are trivia. VT certainly deserves a good article and it has come a long way since you started working on it. --Gilabrand (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

William J. 'Bill' McCalpin (talk) 16:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Image gallery of the Jewish ethnic divisions in Israel

The whole gallery section has become too big and something needs to be done (maybe even remove it all). Please express your opinion in the discussion page of the article. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 17:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Falafel

Instead of reverting to counter-act Tiamut's edit warring (in effect joining the war yourself), just make it clear that the edit goes against WP:UNDDUE - simple as that! Breein1007 (talk) 18:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Yehuda Amichai RfC

Hi. There is an RfC currently in progress on the Yehuda Amichai Talk page, concerning an ongoing content dispute. As an editor who has previously been involved, you might wish to comment. -- Boing! said Zebedee 04:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for commenting - though I had hoped you might offer an opinion on the inclusion/removal of the material under discussion (the Gold biog, the religious imagery in his poetry), as that is the topic of the RfC -- Boing! said Zebedee 05:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Josef Tal

Thanks! Etan J. Tal 09:30, 19 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Etan J. Tal (talk • contribs)

He was clearly an important figure and deserves a good article. If I get a chance I will work on it some more, and then maybe someone can submit it again for a GA review.--Gilabrand (talk) 10:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

That is very kind of you. Please let me know if you need any information or clarification - being his son I probably have some sources unavailable to others which might contribute to the article, so do not hesitate to ask. Etan J. Tal 11:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Etan J. Tal (talk • contribs)

Your blanket reversions on Israel

Several people have written to thank me for my improvements of the Israel article, which had a collection of boring, colorless photos that were not representative of Israel with a clear focus on POV maps. I cannot understand your objections. The photos I have chosen show more of the diversity of the country and are better quality photos than the ones that were there before. --Gilabrand (talk) 12:18, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Several people have written to thank me for my improvements of the Israel. I don't believe that for a second. The images I removed were:

An image of Hussein and Rabin signing a peace treaty: This is nearly identical in composition to the one showing Yasser Arafat and Rabin, and so it adds nothing to the article. We don't need every single peace treaty depicted in the article (with that image, that would be Number 3 in that section).
An image of the Sea of Galilee: Three photos illustrating four paragraphs. Enough said.
An image of Mevasseret Zion: Unclear what this is depicting. Fine for the Mevasseret Zion article, unclear for its relevance here. I also don't understand how you believe this adds diversity and quality over this one (which you removed on February 11).
An image showing districts: From the thumbnail, it is impossible to read the names of the districts. It's more useful to show a numbered map with a legend, as is there now, and as was there previously.
An image of the Bahai Gardens: The "tourism" section is far too short to be illustrated. I also said it didn't make much sense to illustrate Tourism using the sixth- or seventh-most popular site in a country as small as Israel, but that's another matter.
An image of a 1992 Egged bus: Picture is 18 years old and doesn't depict what a standard Egged bus looks like now. Also, the section is very short; questionable whether two images would fit, even opposite each other.
An image of a sculpture with Haredim: Haredim are not mentioned in the associated section. Also, the picture is a poor depiction of Haredim as they are secondary and small in comparison to the sculpture which the image is primarily depicting. Compare to illustrating the Empire State Building with a picture of Manhattan's entire skyline.

I'm also not sure you understand what a blanket revision means. A blanket revision would have meant that I just reverted the article back to the version prior to all of your edits, without caring if there were any obviously legitimate edits in the interim -- sort of like what you did here, reverting your own edit and reverting shifts of images left and right (as if those need "consensus"). -- tariqabjotu 12:36, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Tariqabjotu, instead of removing images to fit the section, how about improving the article and expanding the sections so the photographs "fit better"? There are two ways to approach this, and removing content does not seem to be in the best interest of Misplaced Pages. --nsaum75 18:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Instead of edit-warring

This material into Palestinian people, (, , ) against WP:CONSENSUS, perhaps you would care to join the discussion I opened regarding this material on the talk page ? PS. While I did not call Mohsen a "stooge" of the Syrians (Zero0000 did), that is a pretty accurate, if harsh, description of his political position. Tiamut 13:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and Gila, I'm quite sure you would view the addition of a selected quote without any context from The Invention of the Jewish People by Shlomo Sand to the introduction of Jews or Israel as vastly inappropriate. Try to think objectively regarding this issue. I understand that your discovery of this quote has excited you, but its old news and was in the article body before, before being removed because of bad sourcing, UNDUE, and the POV de-contextualization of Mohsen's statement. Tiamut 13:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

It is not UNDUE. It is providing a balanced picture, and it summarizes a viewpoint articulated in the article itself. About my not liking a negative statement in the lead about Jews/Israel/Jerusalem neighborhoods, well, I fear I don't have much say in that. Nobody seems to care much about what I like. --Gilabrand (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I see. This is retribution for people including the views of the international community in the lead of the article on Gilo. Fine. I'm not going to edit war with you over this. I'll simply wait for someone reasonable to come along and remove your edit as it obviously in violation of several core policies here at Misplaced Pages. Good day. Tiamut 14:02, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Retribution? No, dear. It has to do with NPOV and applying the same policies to all articles and subject matter. --Gilabrand (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Well dear, if that's true, you seem to be misunderstand the content at hand. Gilo is recognized to be an illegal Israeli settlement by most of the world. That's a majority viewpoint which should certainly be mentioned in the WP:LEAD, particularly since there is an extended discussion of that position in the body of the article. Conversely, the idea that the Palestinian people are actually Syrians is a WP:fringe minority viewpoint that is not discussed at any length in the body of that article. As I said, I await someone more reasonable to take a look at the issue. Until then, ta ta. Tiamut 14:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I know you are just pretending to be reading-challenged. The real Tiamut is smarter than that.--Gilabrand (talk) 14:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

The real life person behind Tiamut is much smarter than you'll ever admit. Tiamut 15:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

LOL. Why wouldn't I admit it? I'm sure you are. --Gilabrand (talk) 15:34, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Young Judaea

I am an active member of Young Judaea. I have noticed that you have been constantly deleting our past members of the Mazkirut. Judaeans wrote it, and I don't know who you think you are to say "long lists of people are not needed". It is for us to decide what is and isn't needed, not you. We are proud of our past Mazkiruyot, and enjoy looking back at the list. You have taken that privilege away from us. I will be promptly restoring the page to how it was before you decided to make your oh so helpful edits. So please, stop editing our wikipedia page. And next time you edit a page, make sure you know enough about a page and the topic its on to know what is and isn't "needed" on a it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.159.20 (talk) 23:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry, but you are the one who doesn't understand what is needed. Misplaced Pages is not an advertising space or a place for massaging anyone's ego. An article on an organization needs to explain what it does on the basis of reliable secondary sources, and provide this information without peacock terms. Listing past officials so they can "feel good" is not the purpose. You have Young Judea's website for that. If you add the material, it will be deleted again, if not by me then by other editors, who have just as much right to edit the article as you do (if not more, considering that you are clearly breaching Misplaced Pages's conflict of interest policy. You should thank me for taking the time and trouble to get the article in shape so that people outside your organization will take any interest in it, rather than attacking me.--Gilabrand (talk) 04:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

And for what it's worth, as someone who has been involved with Young Judea in the past, I support Gila on this. IP, you should calm down and worry about the reputation you're giving Young Judea when you come onto the Internet and appoint yourself as the representative and then talk to people like that. Breein1007 (talk) 05:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I just happened upon Gilabrand's removal of content from Young Judaea, and I have to say I agree with its removal - lists of members of organisations, past or present, should only be included in articles if the members are notable in their own right -- Boing! said Zebedee 05:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Anyone who says "our wikipedia page", as the IP did, should read WP:OWNERSHIP. WP articles don't have owners. Hertz1888 (talk) 05:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

losers, GET LIVES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.137.130 (talk) 23:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Please take part in dialogue

Gilabrand, I know we have had our differences, but I am requesting that you take part in dialogue with me and the other editors on pages involving the Ring Neighborhoods. Colourinthemeaning (talk) 11:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Please..

..self revert this edit, read this WP:V compliance problem raised by Zero and discuss it on the talk page. You can't simply keep putting it back. You need to address it sensibly. This is the third time I've asked you to take it to the talk page. Also, you have no reason to say things like 'I see you are reading challenged' in edit summaries to me. I have done nothing wrong so give it a rest. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Gilo

Read the Talk page. Reply on the Talk page. Your editing practices are getting worse by the day. Zero 09:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what your problem is. I inserted a reference as requested. If you people like to blab endlessly, go ahead and blab. Issue resolved. It's time to move on, dear.--Gilabrand (talk) 09:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

You are going down. I started collecting your many examples of tendentious editing, violation of policy, blatant pov pushing, and personal attacks. Zero 09:16, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Have you reviewed WP:TALK recently? Breein1007 (talk) 14:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I would also suggest you look at the amount of positive work I have done on thousands of articles on Misplaced Pages and compare that to your disruptive contributions on a handful of pages that only end up fanning the flames of hatred and hostility, not to mention perpetuating falsehoods and trying to silence people who add to articles rather than detract from them.--Gilabrand (talk) 09:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

You are edit-warring on Gilo. You have made over 3 reverts of the exact same material, without even addressing why that material was removed. nableezy - 19:27, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone else edit warring? Breein1007 (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Nobody else has already made 5 reverts. nableezy - 20:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Zero, is that a threat? Are you trying to bully Gilabrand? --Shuki (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Debresser

Hello,

I wondered if you could look at these, and see if you feel you can counter sign either (or both) of them?

Newman Luke (talk) 03:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Attn: Request for Immediate response & stop removal of sources

Please see my request for you to immediately fix up the revisions you have made available on the following page: Talk:Pisgat_Ze'ev#Sources. Further, I request that you stop your attempts to remove sources showing opinions (and majorly held ones at that) which vary from the POV that runs throughout the content on your edits on all the pages relating to the Ring Neighborhoods of Jerusalem. If you cannot involve yourself in discussion before reverting edits, refrain from removing sources for no reason and the content that they bring to each Misplaced Pages article, then I will be forced to take action as Misplaced Pages policy allows. Regards, Colourinthemeaning (talk) 07:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

Thought you might be interested in this -- Boing! said Zebedee 07:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Kiryat Mattersdorf

Thanks for the compliment. I have some pictures in my camera, and I'm also planning to take more. I'm about to post an article on Rabbi Shmuel Ehrenfeld, founder of the community. Now, what can we do about changing the page name back to Kiryat Mattersdorf? A move won't work because a page already exists with a redirect. Kol tuv, Yoninah (talk) 11:02, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Disruptive edits to Israeli art student scam article

, , , , ,

Please do not continue inserting this provocative, unsourced material into an entirely unrelated article.

I see that by your admission that "this is not any more disruptive than the rest of the article" () you are well aware that what you are doing is wrong and that you are using Misplaced Pages to prove a point.

If you want to have the article deleted, please express your views by participating in the AFD process like everybody else. Factsontheground (talk) 14:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Just letting you know that I have brought this to WP:ANI. Factsontheground (talk) 02:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Best wishes,--Mbz1 (talk) 02:08, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Blocked

Your disruptive edits adding irrelevant material to the Israeli art student scam article were an obvious violation of the WP:POINT rule: even if you were right in thinking that the article was bad (and I personally agree with that), countering disruptive edits with yet more disruptive edits just to demonstrate how disruptive they are is a big no-no.

Since you have already been warned and blocked under the WP:ARBPIA general sanctions, I am blocking you for repeated disruption, 48hrs. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:51, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, at least you got blocked fighting for the right cause! Enjoy your break. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 08:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I hate to see good people commit virtual suicide, let the other wild cannons do that to themselves. --Shuki (talk) 08:50, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. It seems I forgot to actually press the block button this morning. Well, I did mean to block you. But seeing as your editing since has been in what seems to be uncontroversial areas, and looks overall constructive, I guess making the block now in retrospect would be a bit silly. So, you get off lucky. However, this is on condition you stay away from contentious WP:ARBPIA topics for at least the period of the intended block. Some sign of acknowledgment that you understand why those WP:POINT edits were unacceptable would be appreciated. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back :)--Mbz1 (talk) 19:39, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement topic ban

Gilabrand, this is to inform you that, under the authority of WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, I am banning you from the topic of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for the duration of three months. (For the avoidance of doubts, this includes all pages or discussions related to the topic, broadly construed.) This ban may be enforced with blocks or additional sanctions as necessary. For the rationale of this ban please see WP:ANI#Arbitration enforcement topic ban of Gilabrad (permalink). This sanction may be appealed as described at WP:ARBPIA#Appeal of discretionary sanctions. Sandstein 22:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I see now that the article Gilabrand edited has nothing to do with the I-P conflict, so in essence, this three month unrelated topic is a mere disproportional punishment. --Shuki (talk) 19:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It is a very good point!Should somebody ask Sandstein to clarify his decision?--Mbz1 (talk) 19:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of my AFD comment and personal attack

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Forgive them, for they know not what they do.--Gilabrand (talk) 08:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. "Welcome to Misplaced Pages", to someone with an edit count past 20,000? Hertz1888 (talk) 09:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

No doubt part of a disturbing trend where sourced material that happens to be written by a Jew is challenged as not being RS simply because of the religion of the author...sigh --nsaum75 09:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

enforcement

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&action=historysubmit&diff=348307449&oldid=347774430 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:33, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The article has nothing to do with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. It is about an alleged art scam in other parts of the world. Please refrain from false allegations. They may backfire.--Gilabrand (talk) 10:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Your edit to Israel–Zimbabwe relations where you removed information relating to the P-I conflict does go against the imposed sanctions, however. SGGH 15:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The article is about Zimbabwe Israel relations. It has NOTHING to do with the Israel-Palestine conflict.--Gilabrand (talk) 15:04, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Now we both know that isn't true, because the content you removed discusses specifically Zimbabwe's support for Palestine in the I-P conflict. I do not believe your argument of WP:UNDUE is valid. As I state in the WP:ANI entry made about this, UNDUE does not apply in this case IMO. Zimbabwe's take on the I-P conflict is a valid slice of I-Z relations, and the fact that the article focuses on it isn't undue weight, it is simply that no one else has written other information in. SGGH 15:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I removed the material because Zimbabwe's relations with the PLO is not the subject of the article. I reinstated a certain portion of the material that does have some relation to the topic. Beyond that, it is WP:UNDUE. When I first saw the article there was not a single word about Israel. It was all about infighting between various Zimbabwean leaders and their support for the PLO. In what way is that relevant to "Israel-Zimbwawe Relations"??? I have added other material in the meantime.--Gilabrand (talk) 15:26, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

With the I-P conflict being so serious to Israel, Zimbabwe's assessment of the situation would by integral to the subject. The content you removed certainly was. In any case, I have updated the entry on the ArbEnforcement page and it will be decided there if this constitutes a breach. SGGH 15:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Breach of what?????? I object to this ganging up on me. This constitutes harassment. I have been editing Misplaced Pages for several years, and I have over 24,000 edits to my credit. I have improved thousands of articles that contained not a single reference or one bit of solid data, and turned them into useful sources of information. That certain POV editors are hounding me and stalking my every move is a sad testimony to what this "encyclopedia" has become. --Gilabrand (talk) 15:35, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Blocked

In enforcement of the topic ban previously imposed by Sandstein, I have blocked you for 48 hours for your edits to Israel-Zimbabwe relations. Your comments above show that you are determined to lawyer your way around the restriction. Let me make this clear: the topic ban is not restricted to articles that are nominally and in toto about the Israel/Palestine conflict, but to all edits that are related to such topics. As such, your edits, which removed material that was precisely about an effect of the Palestinian conflict of Israeli foreign politcs, clearly fall under the ban. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

It was an article unrelated to the topic ban. It was about diplomatic relations between two countries - and neither of them was Palestine. If you think that the way to improve Misplaced Pages is by imposing bans and blocks on serious editors and giving free rein to whining agenda-pushing crybabies who get their kicks by reporting people who had the gall to "move their cheese," maybe you need to think again. --Gilabrand (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Fut.Perf - the article has nothing to do with I-P. If you are choosing to make an example of Gilabrand, you are making a bad decision. --Shuki (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment

Hi Gilabrand. I hope you had a good weekend and are well despite your frustrations related to Misplaced Pages. I followed the events as they unfolded and I think that you may have made some mistakes, but it is unfortunate that your fellow editors and administrators didn't choose to communicate their concerns with you in a courteous and collegial manner so that the issues could be worked out in a civil and respectful manner. Unfortunately, that's just not the way things are done here in the Misplaced Pages jungle. Abuse and intolerance are the status quo. Misplaced Pages just isn't a healthy or collegial environment. But there are exceptions and I want to thank you for your good work and your collegial approach to editing. I hope that whatever course you choose going forward that you will find enjoyment and fulfillment in your work. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Gila, you know I am at your side, and I believe one should remember that usual wikipedia polices do not apply to the banned and blocked users in the way they are applied to others. In other words whatever you are doing or saying now is examined under a microscope, and the results of those examination are not always treated fairly. So please, Gila, try to stay out of the troubles. Having said all of that, I have to add that I understand how you feel. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Why did you...

... reinstate the propaganda and dead link that I removed from the Iraqi Jews article? Letriste1977 (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Calling it propaganda is your personal POV. It is a paper by a university professor and a perfectly acceptable source. Here is a working link. ]--Gilabrand (talk) 04:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello Gilabrand! :)

Just informing you of an arbitration enforcement request here. Thank you! Factsontheground (talk) 06:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For working on an article that you felt shouldn't even exist and helping to bring it up, even if temporarily, to encyclopedic standards. Nableezy (talk) 18:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

		The Jewish Barnstar
		For editing the page Jerusalem stone.Elan26 (talk) 20:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Elan26

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		I hereby award you The Photographer's Barnstar for the beautiful photos of Israel and Jewish stuff you have taken and graced Misplaced Pages with! I had noticed your contrbution way back in July 2007! The one of the Dome of the Rock viewed through the Cotton Merchants Gate (right) is my favourite! Happy snapping! Chesdovi (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For your work on Hat, I hereby award you this barnstar. →Wordbuilder (talk) 17:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		This award is given to User:Gilabrand in recognition of all your imaginative and original photographs related to topics about Israel and Judaism, as can be seen on your user page. In particular, I was impressed by how many of these photographs enhance so many articles about people, places and things in Israel. Mazal Tov and may you be blessed to continue contributing to Misplaced Pages in this productive fashion for a long time to come. See Misplaced Pages:Barnstars: "The da Vinci Barnstar may be awarded to anyone who has enhanced Misplaced Pages through their technical work..." and you most certainly deserve it. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 04:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		I was going to give you the copyeditor's barnstar, but I then realized that would be shortchanging your many other valuable contributions to and helping out with Israel and Judaism related articles. Much appreciated! nadav (talk) 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For all your quality contributions to Israel-related articles, you fully deserve this. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 20:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

		The Exceptional Newcomer Award
		i frummer give you this award for all the great work you've put into many judaism, jewish and israel relates articles, all the while steering clear of controversy! ..thnx Gila!

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For the excellent editting and formatting that helped lead to Israel's promotion to featured article status. --Jdcaust 16:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

		The Jewish Barnstar
		I award you with this Jewish Barnstar Award for your helping keep the Judaism article up to standards. Keep up Your Good Work! Nimrauko 23:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)