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WEIZAC picture

I returned WEIZAC picture in the science section as the development of this computer was one of the first in world to be done and certainly have very much relevance for the subject.--Gilisa (talk) 21:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

If you are adding a picture, then make sure it has ALT text. See the thread a little way up about how it is required for this to remain a featured article and also for the debate about thepictures overwhelming texts. I have reinstated the Alt text you duscarded on the other picture. The diff on my edit after your four should show you how to insert ALT text properly.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I can't understand why the picture was removed. It's very well fit in the article-WEIZAC is the fourth computer ever built and Israel is the third country in the world to build a computer, after USA and UK. WEIZC is formally acknowleged world wide as a milestone in the development of computers. It had many revolutionary features. It is also relevant as precursor for the Israeli hi-tec industry.--Gilisa (talk) 17:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't care whether the picture is in the article, but your claims about WEIZAC are mistaken. See History of computing hardware#ENIAC and History of computing hardware#Commercial computers for information about some of the earliest computers. WEIZAC wasn't built until 1955. It wasn't the world's fourth computer, and Israel wasn't the third country to build a computer. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 18:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Malik, just out of curiosity-can you summarize it for me? I realy don't feel like reading all of this...It may well be that I'm mistaken, but that's what I read in a source out of wikipedia (or maybe it was the ninth computer?).--Gilisa (talk) 21:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

In brief, the first computers were built in the early and mid 1940s. By 1950, at least 11 computers had been built by four countries. By 1955, when WEIZAC was built, several companies in the US and the UK were selling computers, so WEIZAC couldn't have been "one of the first computers". But I fear we're getting off-topic now.

As I wrote, I don't care whether the picture is in the article, and (as you wrote) as the first Israeli computer, WEIZAC was certainly important in starting Israel's hi-tech industry. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 21:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the brief review.--Gilisa (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Can some admin fix this tiny prob

"Anti-Zionism" is listed twice under the related topics box. --LeedsKing (talk) 00:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The duplicate entry was on Template:Aliyah. I've removed it. Good catch. Dawnseeker2000 00:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Death penalty

Isn't it inaccurate to say that Adolf Eichmann is the only person ever sentenced to death by the state of Israel? Since Israel carries out "targeted killings" of people it identifies as terrorists mustn't these individuals by definition be condemned to death in absentia (by Israel)? (And if you agree that it's not the death penalty in a civilian sense because these people are not Israeli citizens then you can't really use the phrase "death penalty" to describe the killing of Eichmann ). Historian932 (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Citizenship is not the standard. Trial by jury, through the judicial system, is. Targeted killings fall under military or intelligence operations, not an exercise of the justice system. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 03:08, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

FA review

shalom, I posted a long message on the Discussion page of the Project page, hope it will be read there (I'm a bit lost with all that many locations), see / read / you around, --Hope&Act3! (talk) 16:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel. Tel Aviv is.

Please make sure you correct this error so that Misplaced Pages has some credibility for its users. The UN and the International community doesn't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.245.125 (talk) 01:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Recognition is irrelevant to a city's status as capital. A capital is defined as the seat of government; Jerusalem is Israel's seat of government, so Jerusalem is Israel's capital. Other countries cannot define a country's capital for it. okedem (talk) 08:23, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Please have look at the Old archives - Jerusalem as capital at the top of the page since the issue has been discussed before...at length...several times. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Adding info to the under "Culture" part.

House and Trance music should be mentioned in the part when music is discussed. Israeli D.Js such as Infected Mushroom and Offer Nissim are internationaly successful and have been major contributers to the Trance and House scene (respectively). Israel is an exporter of Electronic music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.159.160.206 (talk) 14:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, do you know of a good source for that? For example, an article in a music / arts magazine discussing this? For every piece of information here, we need to have a good source, even if things are quite well known. okedem (talk) 15:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

request for change

although the picture of president shimon peres and obama is quite nice i think the picture of harry truman and president chaim wiezman is more historic and better. please either change it back to the truman-wiezman picture or just have both the truman-wiezman photo and the obama-peres one.--Marbehtorah-marbehchaim (talk) 03:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

While I agree the Truman-Weizmann picture is better, it has some copyright issues - it's not clear if it's free for use or not. So, it's better to use a picture we're sure is free. okedem (talk) 13:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Conversion

(53.7 °C (128.7 °F)) works, (53.7 °C or 128.7 °F) does not work. Peter Horn User talk 22:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

"occupied"

can we change the name of that "occupied territories" to territories under israeli control. i know a lot of people call it the occupied territories but it is incorrect as it gives main reference to the palestinian territories, while areas like the golan are not part of the Palestinian territories and it is also under israeli control(not occupation, in the golan there are no checkpoints as their is no need for them). in other words id like to change it the article name to Territories under Israeli control.--Marbehtorah-marbehchaim (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The Golan is under Israeli occupation, I can provide hundreds of high quality sources that say this. Same with the West Bank (including E. Jerusalem). There is an actual dispute as to whether or not Gaza remains occupied following Israel's "unilateral disengagement" with some soruces saying that Israel no longer exercises "effective military control" over the territory and others (including human rights groups such as AI or HRW, organizations such as the UN or the ICRC and others) maintaining that Israel remains the occupying force given it controls Gaza's airspace and territorial waters and most of the entrances. This has been dealt with many times, the super-majority view is that these territories are held by Israel under military occupation. nableezy - 21:15, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

yes but the golan isnt held under israeli military control. golan heights law of 1981 i believe made it under civilian control. so your wrong on that part, if you have sources could i see them.--Marbehtorah-marbehchaim (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

United Nations Security Council Resolution 497. The UN and nearly every state on the planet agree that the Golan is held under military occupation. And I will compile the references for you. You can start with Israel#cite_note-150 which I added earlier. nableezy - 21:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

even that security council resolution states that israel has put the golan under civilian law, they just dont recongnize its annexation. i agree with the marbehtorah change it to Territories under ISraeli control--209.255.127.242 (talk) 14:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

The resolution specifically says that Israel is the "occupying power" of the "occupied Syrian Golan". nableezy - 14:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

That's because the resolution is a political one taken by an organization (the Security Council) into which Israel has never been a member and was denied being a member. Nobody takes it seriously except for Misplaced Pages users, and the widespread use of quotations from UN and SC resolutions in articles is ridiculous. Amoruso (talk) 16:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the only people I have seen who dont take it seriously are Misplaced Pages users. And I provided a peer-reviewed article in an academic journal by a scholar that says flat out Israel occupies the Golan. nableezy - 16:18, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Amoruso, if you aren't interested in abiding by wiki policy simply stop editing wikipedia and save yourself some time. It's easy. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Really Sean? Thank you so much for that insight. LOL. Please keep to the discussion. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

nableezy, really? the only people? that's strange. Perhaps you missed all the peer-reviewed articles condemning and criticizing the United Nations, its Security Council and the ICJ for interfering with state's policies, for ridiculing International Law, for politicizing legitimate discourse. Perhaps you missed the objections of the European Union and of The United States, Canada, and Australia to numerous political attempts by United National political organizations, to acts of Congress against the politicized travesty, etc? Perhaps you need to read on that a little before making such a generalization. Amoruso (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, really. The US considers the Golan occupied, as does the EU, Canada and Australia. Cites for that can be found on the Golan Heights page and the talk page archives. It is a super-majority view that the Golan is Syrian territory occupied by Israel. A few Misplaced Pages editors, one of whom made this piece of propaganda from the original CIA map being upset with that does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of governments, intergovernmental agencies, and scholarly sources consider the Golan Syrian territory occupied by Israel. nableezy - 18:49, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

That's an original map from the website, and an WP:NPOV version of the map that POV pushers like yourself have tried to enforce. Your false allegation is as false as your current one. People do use the term "occupied" to refer to the Golan Heights. It's false of course - by International Law standards there is no military occupation since there is no military presence and all the residents are citizens or eligible for automatic citizenship if they so wish. It's just false political use. What I was referring to to obviously was the silliness of the quote from SC resolution as if that meant anything to show that it's an occupation. Amoruso (talk) 19:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

That is simply put a lie. The original map labels the Golan as Syrian territory occupied by Israel. You moved Syria off of the Golan, removed the words "Israeli-occupied" and put the word "Israel" over the Golan. Stop lying. nableezy - 19:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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