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Glenn Jacobs → Kane (wrestler)

 Done Stop re-opening this discussion! It's already been moved.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 04:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

• The discussion was ongoing when the discussion was archived. When people feel that everything has been said, they will stop commenting and the discussion will be archived automatically. GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

He has used the name Kane since 1997 and for the whole time it was in the WWE so I don't think people would call him Glenn Jacobs.--C23 C23's talk 14:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Oppose- There is another man, Lane Huffman who is a retired professional wrestler billed under the name Kane. Raaggio 20:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes but he only wrestled under that name for a few weeks this Kane has wrestled with it for 11 years.--C23 C23's talk 20:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Support for the reasons given by Curtis23. I'd like to point out that in Jacobs' only major film role, See No Evil, he is credited either as Kane or Glenn "Kane" Jacobs. As far as the argument that Stevie Ray wrestled briefly as Kane, I doubt anybody would read "Kane, the wrestler" and think it might mean Stevie Ray. It probably warrants a disambig link on Jacobs' page if it's moved to Kane (wrestler), but the association isn't nearly strong enough to prevent such a move. Jeff Silvers (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Support, Huffman can get a tophat as it's only two people so no disambig needed. Mr Jacobs has been Kane for 13 years, has held a World Title for sadly one glorious day, was a top carder during the first year of Attitude Era upturn and has been there ever since which by far outshines his real name and his two former gimmicks. Tony2Times (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

top hat? Raaggio 23:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what it's called but I thought I recalled someone calling it that. Those notes in italics at the beginning of an article that say "If you were searching for the wrestler who used the ring name Kane in World Championship Wrestling, see Lane Huffman."Tony2Times (talk) 17:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I think you mean {{about}}. So something like: This page is about the WWE wrestler. For the WCW wrestler, see Lane Huffman.

In any case, I Support the move. –Turian (talk) 17:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Known under several other names, and, as already mentioned, there is another wrestler known as Kane. That would necessitate additional clarification in the qualifier—"Kane (WWE wrestler)" or something to that extent—at that point, I believe that there is a more natural way of identifying the subject—by his real name, or at the very least, by the misspelling that Misplaced Pages erroneously claims to be his real name. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:49, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

• SupportThere is no doubt though that Kane is the name he's most known as, has worked under the longest and is identified as. Should Hulk Hogan not be listed at such because he wrestled as "Sterling Golden"? Don't think so, neither does WP:COMMON. As for Stevie Ray working as Kane for a bit and this "needs additional clarification" - that's bunk, it can be solved with a hat note. Stevie Ray wrestled as Kane for like six months maybe at the beginning of his WCW career, it'd be plenty with a hat note. MPJ -DK  05:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support - truth be told he was known as other names before his Kane persona, but Isaac Ynakem DDS and Fake Diesel are really the closest to his common name and they obviously aren't going to be his article title. Afro (Blah Blah Here) 18:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

• Response No, it is certainly not "bunk". This very issue has been discussed on Misplaced Pages many times, and the consensus seems to be that a specific qualifier is required when a generic one would apply to more than one article. For example, there have been multiple movies named "Avatar". As you know, the most recent one is obviously the most successful and the one that most people would be searching for if they type in "Avatar (film)" or something similar. However, that is a redirect to a section of the "Avatar" disambiguation page because each Avatar film has a specific qualifier—Avatar (2009 film) for the most recent, which is not given preferential treatment over Avatar (2004 film), despite the facts that most readers will not have seen the latter and that the latter was released under a different name in several large markets. In a case like this, and with Kane (wrestler), one is certainly more well known, but Misplaced Pages policy on naming conventions supercedes a WP:PW-wide "IDONTLIKEIT" vote. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

There are two Brad Pitts, and the actor takes the article title because he is more famous and more well known. Just because something has a similar name does not mean that a disambiguation is necessary. A few months with a stint is not enough to force a disambiguation. IDONTLIKEIT and neither does Misplaced Pages. Funny, huh? –Turian (talk) 01:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

• Yet another response: Yes, there are two Brad Pitts. Please note that one is an actor, and the other is a boxer. Therefore, your example is fundamentally flawed. If they were both actors, the example would work, but it would disprove what you are saying. Let's run with that idea...if both were actors, you could not give the lesser-known Brad Pitt the article title "Brad Pitt (actor)", since that would apply to both. Likewise, you could not give the more famous Brad Pitt the article title "Brad Pitt (actor)". At that point, just as with the "Kane (wrestler)" problem, further clarification would be necessary in the qualifier. Perhaps one would be "Brad Pitt (American actor)" and the other would be "Brad Pitt (Kenyan actor)". If both were American, a different form of clarification would be necessary. Perhaps "Brad Pitt (born 1963)" and "Brad Pitt (born 1981)". In the case at hand "Kane (WWE wrestler)" would be the most logical choice, as Jacobs spent his entire time as Kane with WWF/WWE, and Huffman was only Kane in WCW. GaryColemanFan (talk) 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Huffman is most notable under that name. Jacobs is most notable under Kane. There is no other point to really even bring up. –Turian (talk) 01:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok Gary I added a possible move as Kane (WWE wrestler). Is that ok with you?--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 00:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

• 'Support' the move for Kane (wrestler) as Turian noted and Huffman can keep his article name. On a side note... why does it have to be OK with Gary? If the project is fine with it then Close and Move Away! 02:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

• "Comment- I reopened the discussion. We can't go around closing discussions when opposition is clearly visible. I for one agree with Gary. Per WP:DISAMBIGUATION, if "an article title could refer to several things" than further disambiguation is necessary. This automatically rules out "Kane (wrestler)" as a possible name. RaaGgio (talk) 03:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

• The "There are two wrestlers known as Kane so it needs to be more specific" IS bunk, Stevie Ray was Kane for a very short time as part of Harlem Heat's first six to eight months in WCW, a hat note is more than sufficient - the "WWE Wrestler" would only be necessary if the other article shared a name, it does not - a hat note is more than sufficient and it allows the article to be at the much simpler name "Kane (wrestler)" with a note on top for the 1 in 3 million who may be looking for Stevie Ray after waking up from a 17-year long coma. Also see WP:DISAMBIGUATION, third point under "Deciding to disambiguate" it states "The page at Michael Dobbs is about the primary topic, and there is only one other use. The other use is linked directly using a hatnote; no disambiguation page is needed." and in the example the articles actually share names, this isn't even the case here. So I'm sorry but throwing the "Disambig" rules around actually supports the "Kane (wrestler)" with a hat note supporters.  MPJ -DK  03:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

• • Then we're good. Just because two users oppose this doesn't mean a consensus can't be determined, especially when the opposition clearly is the minority. No one ever 100% agrees with everthing... and yet we still get a consensus. Done. 04:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
    • You do know that consensus and majority vote are completely different concepts, right? And that the purpose behind a consensus-building discussion is that it allow people to flesh out various ideas rather than just voting for the one they liked from the beginning. The whole purpose behind Misplaced Pages's policy on consensus is to avoid just what some people are trying to do...stifle debate just because they don't like the alternative viewpoint and/or the other editors involved. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:03, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Why can't people see that consensus is achieved. The page has already been moved. Just get over it.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 15:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Chris Parks → Abyss (wrestler)

Held the NWA World Tag and NWA World Heavyweight under Abyss, and been using it in TNA and other promotions for several years now. Common name move.--WillC 14:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support- He has used the name for several years now and is a former world champion. RaaGgio (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

• Mild Support, he apparently wrestled for 7 years before TNA under a variety of names. If someone showed me evidence suggesting he was at all notable for any of this work I might oppose or go neutral, in lieu of that I support. (and is there really no reliable source for his birth date?) Tony2Times (talk) 17:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Support Is see Tony's oint but TNA is the most noteable company he's been in.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 22:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Shawn Hernandez → Hernandez (wrestler)

Held the TNA Tag and NWA Tag under Hernandez. Competed for the TNA Title as Hernandez. Working in other promotions as Hernandez. Simple common name move.--WillC 14:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

• Comment- Like Dave Finlay and Gene Snitsky, when the ring name is the last name, we usually tend to keep the first name in the article name. If we move this one, we have to move both Snitsky and Finlay. RaaGgio (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Common name is common name. I would say Finlay though is up in the air though. WCW and some of WWE as Fit Finlay, while just Finlay recently in WWE.--WillC 17:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

• Mild Support Even though this is his Common Name I see Raggio's point so my support is mild.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 22:17, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Shantelle Malawski → Taylor Wilde

Simple common name move, two time Knockout Champion and one time knockout tag champion. Been in TNA for about two years now.--WillC 14:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

• Neutral- Like Taryn Terrell, I think she hasn't been too long with the company yet. RaaGgio (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose She's done a fair bit, and continues to do so, under the name Shantelle Taylor. Tony2Times (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, to an extent here and there. But she also works as Taylor Wilde on the indy circuit. Add on she has gotten the majority of her exposure in TNA.--WillC 17:45, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
    • TNA doesn't grant her that much more exposure than her other appearances. TNA has lower gate numbers than promotions like Dragon Gate USA. RaaGgio (talk) 12:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Support Well as a 3-time champion in TNA I think she can be moved.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 22:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Rey Mysterio, Jr. → Rey Mysterio and Rey Misterio, Sr. → Rey Misterio

They both have different names (although the difference is just the "i/y") so I believe they can be named accordingly. A hat-note to each other's article is suffice I believe. They are already placed so there is no need for the "Sr." and "Jr." RaaGgio (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Support as above. I thought about Rey Mysterio but wasn't sure if I should put it up so thanks.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 22:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Oppose: To many different spellings of Jr.'s name. He at one point wrestled as Rey Misterio I do believe and won the WCW Cruiserweight Championship.--WillC 22:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

That's why I didn;t put it up.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 22:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but "Rey Mysterio" his WP:COMMONNAME. And even if it weren't, a hatnote would suffice for distinguishing the pages. RaaGgio (talk) 22:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the name is his common name. But he has several spells and gained fame under each one. If anything, I feel it should be at his actual name.--WillC 01:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:COMMONNAME, the article title should be "Rey Mysterio". What guideline are you referencing when you think it should be at the birthname? RaaGgio (talk) 03:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm saying spellings. They are all pronounced the same way. But each spelling has its own notability.--WillC 04:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

How can you object to Morrison being renamed because of his two and a bit years as Johnny Nitro but be for this when Rey spent 12 years using the Jr moniker, including five years during the wrestling boom of the late '90s on Nitro? Tony2Times (talk) 08:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I know he wrestled under the Jr. moniker, but how can you disagree that "Rey Mysterio" is his WP:COMMONNAME? He used the Jr. moniker in WCW and ECW, but has wrestled for the past 9 years as "Rey Mysterio" where he won the Royal Rumble and World Heavyweight Championship. Surely, it is his common name. And per WP:COMMONNAME, if a common name can be established in a consensus, then the article should be named by it. RaaGgio (talk) 05:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with it because he wrestled in ECW and half his time in WCW as Rey Misterio, Jr and the other half in WCW as Rey Mysterio, Jr before going to WWE and wrestling as Rey Mysterio. I don't know whether you're mistaken or you just didn't articulate it well/I'm not reading it properly, but it comes across as if you think he wrestled in ECW and WCW as Rey Mysterio by the way. Tony2Times (talk) 08:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

(Reworded my last statement) Tony, I know he wrestled a lot under Rey Mysterio, Jr. and Rey Misterio, Jr., but for the past 9 years, he has been "Rey Mysterio". In those 9 years, he has gotten his career's highest accomplishments (Royal Rumble, World Heavyweight Championship, Intercontinental Championship). It is quite obvious that the most notable name is "Rey Mysterio" and it is obviously his Most Common Name. RaaGgio (talk) 12:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

He debuted on SmackDown late July 2002 so he's been Rey Mysterio for only seven and a half years, but even then I don't know if recentism should effect an encyclopedia. During the wrestling boom when it was at its pinnacle in the '80s and he was one of the major stars of WCW's popular cruiserweight division he was Jr, not to mention his lasting legacy in ECW and the five years in AAA and some appearances in Japan with WAR. Tony2Times (talk) 13:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

And you honestly believe that his stints in ECW and AAA plus his tenure in WCW's Cruiserweight division are more notable then his 7 and a half years in the globally broadcasted biggest wrestling company of the world where he won their top prize, main evented their biggest event, won one of their highest honors and won several of their prestigious titles? I feel like its pretty concrete that the most notable part of his career is in WWE plus the fact that most people know him as "Rey Mysterio" RaaGgio (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

No I'm saying that (according to Cagematch.de) his 115 appearances on Mexican national TV with AAA, 245 internationally televised appearances in WCW during the biggest boom period and most watched era of wrestling amounting along with 9 ECW matches make him just as notable as Jr as his 356 internationally televised appearances during the industry's subsequent downturn without the Jr suffix. Tony2Times (talk) 17:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but it comes down to a Common Name/Notability battle between the "Undercard of WCW during the 90's" or "WWE Main Events of the New Millenium"? RaaGgio (talk) 03:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose I believe that his common name is Rey Mysterio, Jr. The "Jr." and "Sr." in the article titles are much more helpful in distinguishing than just relying on hatnotes. It's working well now, so there is no benefit to a move. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

John Hennigan → John Morrison

He's better known under that name. --68.45.16.61 (talk) 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose- He is also really known under Johnny Nitro. RaaGgio (talk) 00:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose: Same as Raaggio.--WillC 01:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose: given that John Hennigan is his more well known name.   ArcAngel   (talk) (review) 18:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, but how is "John Hennigan" his most well-known name? No one even remembers Tough Enough. RaaGgio (talk) 19:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
    • Have you forgotten what common name says? If a subject does not have a common name the article is to remain or be moved to the subject's real name.--WillC 21:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
      • Yes, I probably have, and should have said Hennigan is the name *I* know him as.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 21:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
        • I was talking to Raaggio. Work under his real name, Morrison, and Nitro would constantue a problem. Thus, imo, common name can not be established. As a result, article is to stay at real name.--WillC 21:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
          • Eh, my bad.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 21:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

• • • • • • • Will, there is no part of WP:COMMONNAME that says if a common name can't be established, use the real name. Look it up, there is no guideline that says that. The guideline says the common name has to be established by a consensus. RaaGgio (talk) 05:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

John Hennigan is definitely not his common name. His 2 most common names are John Morrison and Johnny Nitro but which one?--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 04:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

He used "John Hennigan" on Tough Enough though. I'm not saying its his common name, but if anyone brings it up, it would make sense. In other words, he has been on mainstream television and in WWE under John Hennigan, John Morrison, and Johnny Nitro. RaaGgio (talk) 04:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Naofumi Yamamoto → Yoshi Tatsu

I think it's time to change Naofumi to Yoshi.--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 18:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose He has used his last name in all of his ring names except for the past 1 or 2 years out of 8 years of pro wrestling.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 18:40, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Needs a lot more time under the ring name of Yoshi Tatsu. He's used is own name way before using his current name.--Steam Iron 18:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Yoshi Tatsu needs a lot more time under this ring name and to survive the next talent purge. RaaGgio (talk) 13:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Darren Matthews → William Regal

He's better known as William Regal than Darren Matthews --68.45.16.61 (talk) 21:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support Has used the name for 11 years in WWE. Other names used in un-notable promotions and for a few year in WCW used different names.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 22:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
• Support Yeah he did use other names like "Steven Regal", but Steven is obviously not his "Most Common Name". His Common Name is obviously "William Regal". RaaGgio (talk) 11:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose He used Stephen Regal and Stephen William Regal in WCW, while touring the world for ten years and on ITV's World of Sport which at points was more watched the FA Cup final on UK TV. Tony2Times (talk) 12:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

So? None of those are his "most common name". Just because he has a lot of common names, doesn't mean his "most common name" becomes less common. RaaGgio (talk) 13:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

So appearing on British TV in all four countries despite it being on a 'regional' channel, wrestling for New Japan on five tours with&against the likes of Sting, Luger, Kensuki Sasaki, Great Muta and the even greater Buff Bagwell (ahem), two stints over 7 years with WCW on American TV&PPV, including winning four TV Titles and being paired with a young Triple H, challenging Dan Severn for the NWA World Title at their 50th Anniversary show, challenging X-Pac a number of times for the WWF European Title and appearing on Raw, Heat and the 1998 Survivor Series PPV and reappearing for a month in 2000 on WWF all as Steven Regal (or Lord Steven Regal, although I think we can all take that as a nickname) over a 20 year period count for nothing? Tony2Times (talk) 14:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

When the average person points at Regal and says "That is ___". Fill in the blank and that is his most common name. All that time as Steven Regal and Lord Steven Regal and others do count for something; "Steven Regal" is a solid 2nd-to-most common name. We can still all agree that "Darren Matthews" is in no way in the top three common names and in no way does it have an "article title priority" just because it is his real name. Per WP:COMMONNAME, real names don't matter and article titles are solely based on the most popular name the person has gone by, which in this case is "William Regal". RaaGgio (talk) 15:19, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

You seem to forget, that if a common name can not clearly be establish then the article can't be moved, thus we have to ignore common name and leave it where it is.--WillC 18:29, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the policy advocates keeping it at a "non-common name", I think everyone (well almost Will) can agree that it's definitely not at anything resembling a common name right now and should be moved one way or the other. Just a matter of establishing which is more known - Google tests and accomplishements under each name can help point the direction  MPJ -DK  18:42, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

No Will, MPJ-DK is right; the policy doesn't say we should ignore WP:COMMONNAME, it says a common name has to be decided by consensus. No one here will obviously agree that "Darren Matthews" is his common name, so we have to decide between his popular names "Lord Steven Regal", "Steven Regal" and "William Regal". I think the obvious most popular name of them all is "William Regal". But if you believe "Steven Regal" is more common, you're welcome to explain why. (regardless though, I think it would be ridiculous to name the article "Steven Regal") RaaGgio (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per Tony2Times. GaryColemanFan (talk) 12:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
• Support per Curtis/Raaggio 04:50, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Rodney Anoa'i → Yokozuna (wrestler)

That's the only name he's notable by.--68.45.16.61 (talk) 03:05, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Dustin Rhodes → Goldust

Most common name.--68.45.16.61 (talk) 03:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - Has wrestled in major promotions as Dustin Rhodes for ~10 years. No need for a move, since Goldust isn't more commonly used. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose as per above, also wrestled with his famous father a number of times as Dusty & Dustin Rhodes. Tony2Times (talk) 21:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose this isn't his most common names. The purpose of these moves are to move articles who aren't under their most common name. This one is. RaaGgio (talk) 13:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Carly Colón → Carlito (wrestler)

--68.45.16.61 (talk) 03:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per the reasons given in the last 3 unsuccessful move attempts. Now, there are better things to do than propose endless move requests. I encourage you to find them. This got old a couple of weeks ago. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:33, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Harry Fujiwara → Mr. Fuji

--68.45.16.61 (talk) 03:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose "Mr. Fuji" is a disambiguation page. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Comment and support if you make it Mr. Fugi (wrestler).--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 21:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Comment - By stating that "Mr. Fuji (wrestler)" is his common name (I assume that "Fugi" was a misspelling), are you saying that he is best known as a wrestler rather than as a manager? Since the part of his career with which people are most familiar was his time as a manager during the "Rock 'n' Wrestling" and "New Generation" periods, I believe that would require the article title "Mr. Fuji (professional wrestling)" for consistency with similar article titles. Personally, I dislike the "professional wrestling" qualifier. Perhaps even more importantly, these excessive move requests need to stop. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support definitly a common name. Also who died and made Gary here the prince of Pro Wrestling? If it's not at a common name there is nothing wrong with suggesting it be moved - betterment of the wrestling articles and all, not catering to the whims of one member.  MPJ -DK  04:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
• Support - Guys, the "Mr. Fuji" disambiguation page is a joke, it leads to one article, one non-article and a Pokemon professor. The title definitely belongs to this article as its his common name. A hatnote leading to here would comply with WP:HATNOTE / WP:SIMILAR rules. Overall, I think this is a good move. RaaGgio (talk) 13:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
• Support - I agree with the common name. 17:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
• Support - As Raagio pointed out, neither other Mr Fuji has a page. If they decide to make one then we can discuss disambiguations. Tony2Times (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

WWE Raw episode number on the infobox

I added a template in WWE Raw that would update the number weekly. Does that cause a problem or is it okay? Raaggio 04:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm cool with that, that template will help alot of our articles.--WillC 05:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm just saying two words "dog show" - according to the counter Raw has never been preempted even once since 1993? I do believe the USA network has done it in the past. Just saying that this may not be accurate.  MPJ -DK  05:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that's been taken care of. The show's start date was January 11 while the template's start date is May 24, essentially excluding any week when the show was pre-empted and giving us the correct value. If another occasion happens in the future, all we'd have to do is adjust the template's start date to May 31, etc. --  Θakster   09:32, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I have just realised a potential problem with using an automated template though. The template adds another episode to the count right on midnight of the Monday rather than the actual airtime hours later, which goes against WP:CRYSTAL in that it assumes an episode would be aired that night no matter what, when a last minute cancellation could very happen. --  Θakster   10:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Crap, I also forgot that Misplaced Pages uses UTC so Raw technically ends at 3:00am Tuesday. I will change the template to change on Tuesday, but there are still three hours of apparent WP:CBALL violation. Hmmm what to do... what to do Raaggio 01:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

This is an occassion where we should ignore the rule.--WillC 03:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I think ignoring the rule would be best; is there no code to allow you to choose a specific time of day when it changes? Tony2Times (talk) 12:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I searched for it thoroughly. If it exists, it is buried in the deep vowels of Misplaced Pages. RaaGgio (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Just in case we don't find one, I've just made a modified version of Template:Age in weeks in my sandbox, which includes time. So for instance typing in {{User:Oakster/Sandbox 3|month1=05|day1=25|year1=1993|hour1=01|minute1=00}} should give at an hour before tonight's Raw start 880 and an hour after Raw's start 881. Now all I need is a decent name for the template for general use within Misplaced Pages. --  Θakster   19:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I think Template:Age in weeks2 would suffice. RaaGgio (talk) 03:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it's at Template:Age in weeks 2 then. Hope this helps. --  Θakster   08:34, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Million Dollar Championship reactivation

Edits to Ted DiBiase, Jr., Million Dollar Championship, and List of current champions in World Wrestling Entertainment that reflect Ted, Jr.'s status as the current Million Dollar Champion (as of April 5) have been reverted on the basis that he might just be appearing with the belt as a prop. That said, Jerry Lawler actually referred to DiBiase as the current champion on that edition of Raw; he listed the previous champions (Ted, Sr., Austin, and Virgil), then said "and now, Ted DiBiase". Given the "unsanctioned" nature of the Million Dollar Championship it's unlikely we'll see a title history appear on WWE.com, so isn't a WWE employee actually calling DiBiase the champion a good enough reference? Jeff Silvers (talk) 21:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Jeff and was gonna make the same point. It's an unsanctioned championship so WWE won't list him as champion, they don't list Austin or Virgil either and the commentators said he was the holder of it. Tony2Times (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

"show off his father's Million Dollar Championship, which he brought with him to the ring" Really doesn't sound like WWE consider him to be the champion to me. Also, I looked up that segment on youtube again to remind myself of what the commentators said. Neither Cole nor Lawler said he was the current champion - they both said he got the championship from his father and went on to list the other champions. Jr never called himself the champion either. I've searched all the reliable sources for Raw results and they all just say he brought the belt out to the ring and cut a promo on his dad. No mention of him being the Million Dollar Champion. We can't add it without a source. Saying he's the champion is pure WP:OR and speculation on our part. In my opinion the obvious thing to do is wait and see if the situation is clarified next week on Raw. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 23:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

You have me convinced. :D RaaGgio (talk) 02:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

unsanctioned? Really? The company has to agree for a title belt to appear on their broadcast. It isn't owned by WWE persay, but it certainly isn't a non-recognized title by WWE. Unsanctioned titles don't really exist. It is just a storyline.--WillC 03:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

It's just a storyline. –Turian (talk) 03:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

So is anyone winning any championship in wrestling and in storyline this championship is unsanctioned. Just like the Intergender Tag Team Championship wasn't really unsanctioned by ROH but in storyline it was and guess what: it isn't on their title history. Tony2Times (talk) 06:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)