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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Biruitorul

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Appeal denied/deferred until 1 December.

To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

Appealing user

Biruitorul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Biruitorul 16:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Sanction being appealed

— topic ban on "Eastern Europe, broadly interpreted" reset to 7 May 2011, instead of original expiry date of 22 December 2010

Administrator imposing the sanction

Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator

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Statement by Biruitorul

I believe the extension of my topic ban by over four months is unduly onerous. It's true that, prior to May 7, I interpreted the stipulation allowing me to revert obvious vandalism a little too broadly on a handful of occasions. (I hasten to note this was an honest mistake and I never willfully violated the ban.) But now that that ability has been removed, and now that I've learned a very clear lesson, what exactly is the purpose of the reset? I've done plenty of good work in this topic area, and the only practical result of the reset is that the resumption of my productive contributions has been delayed by months. WP:BLOCK says quite clearly that "blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Misplaced Pages, not to punish users". No one, not even the user filing the request, claimed I had damaged or disrupted the project through my edits. As you can see, I have made no such edits for 11 days, and will not for the next 100 or 1000 days if need be. Also, if you read the discussion leading up to the reset, you will find that one administrator was willing to let the matter drop entirely, having seen no serious violation and having accepted by pledge to abide by the ban more strictly, while another did not speak of a reset.

In sum, I would say the reset is unnecessary, unproductive, and unjust, and that it should be annulled. - Biruitorul 16:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Sandstein says my "reasons given for the appeal are unconvincing". Not wanting to pointlessly delay the onset of many hundreds of productive edits by close to half a year sounds fairly convincing to me. But regardless, I wonder what the reasons for the reset are. Tellingly, none was ever offered. It's obviously not "to prevent damage or disruption to Misplaced Pages", since the idea I'd do that is absurd, so what is it? To punish me? Not allowed, per WP:BLOCK. - Biruitorul 22:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I have two responses to Stifle's claim that "there is no point whatsoever" in considering my appeal at this time. First: yes, giving me and the community the certainty that my constructive work in this area will resume in December and not next May is a thing to be desired. Second, I have repeatedly contended that "there is no point whatsoever" to the reset itself, other than punishment. It's telling that no one has counteracted this claim, which if true flies in the face of WP:BLOCK, and in no way does the reset help improve the encyclopedia. Of course, when an institution's sole focus becomes enforcing its own rules, it tends to lose sight of its nobler purposes, and notions like "improving the encyclopedia" become mere fancy words quoted at outsiders, not something that actually has validity in the inner workings of the process.

I would also like to take issue with Stifle's remark about being able to see "intervening behaviour" in December. Perhaps he doesn't know this, but I have made well over 60,000 contributions to this project over four years, and very close to 100% of these have been net improvements to the encyclopedia. Including, by the way, the handful of edits that brought about this farcical reset. Stifle is free to review my conduct over the last 48 months and the next 7 months: all he will find is the same nearly impeccable record of diligent good work. - Biruitorul 04:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Sandstein

It appears that only my reset of the arbitral ban is being appealed, not my removal of any exceptions pertaining to vandalism etc. that the arbitral ban may have had. The reasons given for the appeal are unconvincing, but I refrain from discussing the merits of the appeal here, because the appeal is at any rate premature. Undoing the reset of the ban now will have no practical effect, because the arbitral topic ban will still remain in force until 22 December 2010. For these reasons, I recommend that this appeal be declined. Biruitorul is free to appeal it again on 22 December 2010, at which time editors will be in a better position to determine whether his conduct up until that time merits a lifting of my extension of the ban.  Sandstein  17:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by (involved editor 1)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Biruitorul

• I concur with Sandstein's response; there is no point whatsoever in determining this matter now. Recommend reraising the appeal at the start of December, by which time we can see intervening behaviour. Stifle (talk) 11:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
• Agree with Stifle. Come back here at December when we can make a more informed decision. Tim Song (talk) 03:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Result of the appeal by Biruitorul

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• Appeal deferred until 1 December 2010 as there is no appreciable benefit in determining it now and visible benefit in determining it later. Biruitorul retains the right of appeal to ArbCom. Stifle (talk) 10:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Nipsonanomhmata

Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found in this 2010 ArbCom motion. According to that motion, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.

To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

Appealing user

Nipsonanomhmata (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Sanction being appealed

<http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nipsonanomhmata>

Administrator imposing the sanction

Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator

I have been notified.  Sandstein  21:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Nipsonanomhmata

The severity of the penalty is over zealous. I have been given a one year restriction on editing articles in a region called the Balkans (that's several countries) for an alleged 3RR (for 3 reverts well outside a 24 hour period) and I have hardly edited in the Balkans over the last 3 months. I have also been accused of being "aggressive". Where exactly have I been aggressive? Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 00:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Sandstein is right. It's 3 months instead of a year. But why have restrictions been placed for several countries for 3 months for one half baked 3RR? 3 months is still a severe penalty. Moreover, I have been banned for 1 year from a page that I was not editing on when this dispute was raised. Personally, I don't mind the ban on the Ali Pasha article because I had no intention of ever going back to that article again because everything that I had ever contributed to that article has been indiscriminately napalmed and nuked by Fut Perf. It's still not fair to put a blanket restriction on me for the Balkans though. Not even for 1 day. How did that happen? Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 00:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Stifle, it should be the other way around. Innocent before proven guilty. Not guilty before being proven innocent. This isn't Guantanamo. I am being penalised for Fut Perf's badger-baiting. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with Fut Perf's statement. Fut Perf does not understand either of the terms "unanimous" or "consensus". They are just words that are banded about to sound impressive. Yes, please do look at the debate on the talk page cited. It is a non-relevant debate about content however, it does prove that Fut Perf is following me around reverting all my edits and it doesn't make any difference what the subject matter is. Fut Perf should be given the same sanctions that I'm given (although I don't think that I deserve any sanctions). I would also like to point out that the "Paris Exposition of 1900" is a completely new discussion for me. I have never discussed content concerning the "Paris Exposition of 1900" before. Not once. So there is no consensus or unanimity. It's a fiction concocted by Fut Perf. Moreover, Fut Perf has threatened me, and against recommended Misplaced Pages policy, with blocking. Why should I be blocked? I have not committed any 3RRs (not since the first 3RR trap that I fell in to). I always full verify with references, I have never used any original research, and I am not expressing a POV despite Fut Perf's repeated claims otherwise. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 12:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

btw It was Fut Perf who originally placed the complaint against me for the sanctions that I have appealed against. As you can see from the discussion re:"Paris Exposition of 1900" when Fut Perf is faced with an iron-clad argument during a discussion that is when all hell breaks loose. That's when I am accused of WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:OR. That is when I am told that my arguments are dubious untruths. It is Fut Perf's standard automatic response when cornered on any argument. Despite providing numerous iron-clad references. I am told that I am making up a "story" and I am usually threatened with sanctions. Never am I told: "wow, what an amazing reference!" or "wow, you really know your history!". Nor have I ever "adamantly" or "blatantly" refused anything, in fact, quite the contrary, I have jumped through every hoop I have ever been asked to jump through, regardless of the time and effort wasted and on the really long discussions Fut Perf usually concludes the discussion by Twinkling on all my edits in the article, and notably the "Ali Pasha" article where I had to re-enter spelling corrections three times before they were accepted because they had already been Twinkled on twice previously. And then I am banned from editing on "Ali Pasha" when I haven't edited there for months because I don't want to edit there because I know that all of my edits will be Twinkled. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 14:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I note that Fut Perf has amended their statement to exclude the words "unanimous" and "consensus" as a result of what I have stated above. Also, Fut Perf has introduced Original Research as a new argument in the statement. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 12:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

AGK. I can see where this is leading to. The appeal process is a waste of time just as is editing on Misplaced Pages. Nobody has given me a good reason why I have been put on 1RR for Balkans for 3 months. Not one. I don't know what behaviour you would like me to correct because I don't understand what you want. Nor do I understand how I have been banned from an article that I have not edited on since when I received my first 3RR. How can you lay the same wrap on me twice when the problem was not me in the first place. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 13:13, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Sandstein

Nipsonanomhmata is mistaken: his 1R/week restriction lasts three months, not a year. Only his topic ban from the subject Ali Pasha lasts a year. See the sanction in the section above. I recommend that this appeal be declined and refer to my rationale for the sanction under appeal.  Sandstein  21:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Fut.Perf.

Note that Nipson is revert-warring again, at {{Summer Olympic stadia}}, and, as a spin-off, at Vélodrome de Vincennes. He is again re-hashing a POV agenda about an issue that was already debated to death elsewhere, and about which he was fighting stubbornly and isolated against unanimous consensus for months. Having lost his case on the relevant main articles, he just transfers the same edits to other, less-watched pages, starting the same debate all over again. I can see no reason for considering an appeal at all with this editor. He has never shown any insight into why he was sanctioned, no recognition that any of his conduct was problematic, and no willingness whatsoever to modify his approach. Discussion (currently here) shows this is a hopeless case. He is adamantly refusing to heed the principles of WP:V and WP:NOR. Sanctions should be widened, not reduced. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Nipsonanomhmata

While I am mindful of an echo chamber effect among the few admins who frequent here, I don't think the sanctions issued by Sandstein were unduly onerous. My suggestion would be to appeal them again in a month or so having demonstrated good behaviour in the meantime. Stifle (talk) 13:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• In what is probably a blatant endorsement of Stifle's observation, I am usually in agreement with Sandstein's actions. But in this case my opinion is that the sanctions applied to Nipsonanomhmata were a little severe. I would look to moderate them if doing so would be supported by a consensus of administrators. I would also look to place any other editors involved in the dispute with Nipsonanomhmata on 1RR. He clearly wasn't edit warring with himself, and the general failure to take the disagreement to dispute resolution concerns me. AGK 15:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Upon reflection, and a more detailed examination of Nipsonanomhmata's editing history (I previously looked only at the specific incident that led to his ban), I can no longer support moderating the sanctions. AGK 10:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

• Generally agree with Stifle. I do not find Sandstein's sanctions to be unreasonable. If other editors are to be sanctioned, this thread is not the appropriate venue. Tim Song (talk) 03:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Previously, we have happily sanctioned editors whilst processing a complaint that they were not the subject of. So long as due process is followed, I don't see any harm in doing so. The only idiosyncrasy with this thread is that it is an appeal, not a direct complaint. AGK 11:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Result of the appeal by Nipsonanomhmata

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• There appears to be a consensus that the appeal ought to be denied, so I hereby do so. I am not minded to impose other sanctions against other users in this appeal section as they do not appear to have been notified nor offered the chance to defend themselves. Any such request for sanctions ought to be made in a new AE request. Stifle (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Appeal of the sanction against Aregakn

Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found in this 2010 ArbCom motion. According to that motion, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.

To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

Appealing user

Aregakn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Aregakn (talk) 23:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Sanction being appealed

Ban on referals to any editors' edits as "Possible Vandalism", "Vandalism" etc. (if not 3RR violation or other obvious cases); imposed at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Hittit; Log: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement

Administrator imposing the sanction

Stifle (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator

Administrator notified: User talk:Stifle#Please be notified of an AE Appeal Aregakn (talk) 23:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Aregakn

The appeal is for the sanction lift. Introduction:

• In the AE for the editor Hittit, that was failing to comply with Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2 according to the request, I found valuable to present references to additional multiple violations. This decision was based on the will to be constructively contributing to articles of Misplaced Pages, rather than uselessly spending time to prevent violations of rules and/or the integrity of articles and so Misplaced Pages as a whole. In the last (#7) of the violations I thought relevant to the case, I wanted to bring to the attention of the ruling administrator, that a deletion of a cover-page of the NewYork Times paper , stating "Million Armenians Killed or in Exile" and other similar, was deleted in only one of the multiple identical edits , , , of the heavily biased editor. Bringing it to the attention for the authorised person's consideration, as a reason for it I mentioned a "Possible vandalism", meaning a possibility of Sneaky Vandalism. The latter was clarified in the appeal to the sanction on my talk-page. Unfortunately the appeal for lift was denied and only reduced to 1 month from 1 year.

The reasons for the appeal:

• Considering my will to preserve valuable time of mine and other editors to engage in value-adding activities to Misplaced Pages, rather than "warring" in one way or another, to preserve Wiki-integrity, with editors that are here most possibly for other purposes, I was, in good faith, bringing the very many evidences on how our work is disrupted on Misplaced Pages. I cannot consider any rational reason (or recall an existing rule) to sanction somebody for trying to bring violations into consideration, with quite a possible reasoning of why (s)he does it. I consider the sanction as irrelevant, lacking rational bases (and personally disappointing for a constructive editor). Aregakn (talk) 23:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The link to the AE was given in the "Sanction being appealed" section: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Hittit, until it was removed/archived by MiszaBot II after that. Now it is in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive62#Hittit.

1) Though the purpose of why Stifle considered this sanction is clear to me, as I have stated, I see no bases and reasons for why it would be issuing (to put it very roughly "corpus delicti").

2) Once again, there was no direct accusation of the editor! The AE was about the conduct of the editor and there were very many cases that showed his conduct is disruptive for the work of Misplaced Pages. That was the place where those edits should have been considered, wasn't it? So this is where I brought to the attention one of many I suspected in Sneaky vandalism. That very edit (deletion of content in a sneaky way) could not have been made neither in accordance with Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2 restrictions nor in good faith or in any way appropriate for the article The Armenian Genocide. In addition, if anybody thinks that somebody would make Sneaky Vandalism by blanking whole pages or paragraphs, I do not. Neither this edit could anyhow be viewed as quote: "...an effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism". Deleting a factual newspaper page just to hide the title of it is in no way a desire to improve the encyclopedia, is it?

3) With the above in mind, I don't consider that bringing this very case to the attention of the admin for his/her consideration, with no direct accusation, as "throwing about the word "vandalism"" as Stifle calls it.

4) I would not justify in either way A sanction against an editor that are based or referred to as "I rather doubt that this small sanction will have any serious impact on Aregakn's editing of the encyclopedia." This isn't the way Admins are intitled to act, as I know.

5)If I have to comment the below "This appeal is ridiculous..... That isn't even a restriction." I want to be asked so by an uninvolved admin once again. Aregakn (talk) 14:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I can see, that Sandstein has made a vote for a decline with reasoning, that shows he has not familirised himself with the case. For isntance: . I could mention others but think this is enough. An appaling action from an Administrator, when considering cases, I think. I hope that other rulings/votes/comments of his have not been made in this manner! Aregakn (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• IMPORTANT NOTE. I am not appealing the whole ruling of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive62#Hittit. It is only the sanction against me I am applying to be appealed. Aregakn (talk) 19:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
• The AE case that sanctioned me s linked correct. Here, in the Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive62#Hittit -> in the paragraph Result concerning Hittit, along with others concerning Hittit, is the sanction against me:

Hittit (talk · contribs) and Aregakn (talk · contribs) are placed on an editing restriction in the following terms for one year. Should either describe any edit in the area of conflict (construed widely) as vandalism (including, but not limited to, in edit summaries, talk page posts, and AE requests), other than an edit, reverting which would be exempt from the 3RR, they may be blocked for an appropriate duration by an uninvolved administrator. This includes, but is not limited to, references to vandalism with a qualifier such as "obvious", "simple", or "possible"." end of quote.

Aregakn (talk) 20:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• IMPORTANT NOTE. Unfortunately the Title of the appeal was, I think, mistakenly removed and this is why the whole case seemed irrelevant to the AE I mentioned. I am just noticing it . I shall revert that change so everything is clear. Aregakn (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment by NovaSkola. It is obvious, that he doesn't even read where he puts his comments. He has been asked once not to push malicious calumnies against me. He calls this process declined in ANI and now here, when it is yet in progress. He also claims I have been blackmailing users he calls Azeri, when the notifications on their talk-pages were inviting and linking to discussions started on certain article talk-pages. Aregakn (talk) 12:10, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Stifle

One of the main issues related to this arbitration enforcement request was users throwing about the word "vandalism" to refer to edits with which they disagreed, rather than genuine damage to the encyclopedia. I rather doubt that this small sanction will have any serious impact on Aregakn's editing of the encyclopedia. Nevertheless, if there is a consensus that even the greatly reduced sanction I imposed after the appeal was excessive, then let it be lifted. Stifle (talk) 07:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

To Sandstein: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive62#Hittit. Stifle (talk) 13:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Point of information: Aregakn is not subject to edit summary parole; that's Hittit. Stifle (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

To AGK: Aregakn is not alleged to have used a misleading edit summary, and is not subject to a restriction on edit summaries. Stifle (talk) 15:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

To AGK: No, I'm being dense and misreading. Aregakn is on edit summary parole, not revert parole. Stifle (talk) 15:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by (involved editor 1)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Aregakn

Although I have edited on the "Armenian Genocide" in the past I have not been involved in this particular issue. I just wanted to say that Aregakn has done a lot of good work on Armenian issues in an impossible environment where he is outnumbered by people with extreme right-wing opinions. I just wanted to say that he deserves that you go easy on him. He is doing a great job in an impossible environment. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 01:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Aregakn, please link to the request or discussion that led to your sanction, or we cannot review your appeal.  Sandstein  07:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

This appeal is ridiculous. So, he has been told not to refer to other people's edits as "vandalism" when they aren't? That isn't even a restriction. Nobody is allowed to refer to other people's edits as vandalism when they aren't. This sanction is merely a reminder of a behavioral norm that goes for everybody; it doesn't restrict his editing in any way. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Offtopic personal attacks by Nipsonanomhmata (talk · contribs) and ensuing discussion removed. Continued attacks of this sort will be sanctioned as disruption.  Sandstein  15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It was neither offtopic nor a personal attack. I feel like I am communicating with aliens. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 20:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Be quiet, Nipsonanomhmata. Your comments are wholly unhelpful and you are quickly losing any sympathy I may previously have had to the pending appeal against your sanctions. AGK 21:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Decline appeal. The appealed sanctions are a reasonable exercise of administrator discretion. The edit summary parole forbidding Aregakn from using misleading edit summaries is justified by the evidence given in the decision, and the editing restriction forbidding Aregakn from referring to non-vandalism edits by others as "vandalism" is within the scope of the normal rules of etiquette that every user must follow anyway.  Sandstein  15:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It is truely very sad to see how both of the commenting admins have refused to go into the sense of the appeal. I get the impression, that some become admins to feel the power of suppression and not for protecting Misplaced Pages integrity.

User Aregakn has been trying to prevent Articles from obvious disruptive edits of Hittit by bringing up his actions. For this, he has been sanctioned. He had not been accusing anybody constantly in vandalism. He just said 1 action could be vandalism (which obviously was). And for this he is sanctioned? And somebody yet agrees to sanction a good editor for nothing wrong? You have made a beurocracy out of Misplaced Pages! IsmailAhmedov (talk) 00:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I seem to have been mistaken. After reading AGK's comment, and the original AE discussion again, I agree with AGK that it is not clear on the basis of which specific conduct Arekagn has been restricted from describing edits by others as vandalism. If no diffs for conduct warranting this sanction are forthcoming, I agree that the appeal should be granted and the sanction lifted.  Sandstein  11:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

• I am puzzled as to why Aregakn is appealing a general sanction that he has yet been proven to have violated. The message behind that is that he is seeking permission to actually use inaccurate edit summaries; and on that basis, I am opposed to reverse the ban. The subject of the sanctions used a misleading edit summary for multiple changes. For instance, on 08:01, 18 April 2010, he implied that the change he was reverting was inaccurate because 'Holocaust' is not the correct phrase to use. But that phrase in fact had nothing to do with the edit in question; indeed, the disputed material does not at any point mention the phrase 'Holocaust'. Furthermore, his claim that 'genocide' is a term only applicable to Nazi Germany, and to no other historical event, is clearly false—even to somebody like myself (with no familiarity with the subject area). Lifting this ban would be to condone poor editing habits, so I say we keep it. Decline appeal. AGK 15:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

We would get a lot further if you linked to the AE case that sanctioned you, rather than to irrelevant cases. AGK 19:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I see now that Aregakn was sanctioned in the course of a thread that was titled as concerning Hittit. I didn't pick up on that until Aregakn set me straight on my user talk page. I will offer a more extended comment shortly. AGK 21:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Question: Where precisely was it Aregakn used a misleading edit summary? I cannot find any evidence that he did so. I did see evidence of limited edit warring back in April, but obviously that was not what he was sanctioned for. Comment by Stifle, as the administrator who passed the sanction, is especially solicited. AGK 12:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Stifle: He was placed on an edit summary restriction at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive62#Hittit, unless I'm being dense and misreading. AGK 14:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It has not been proven that Aregakn has used a misleading edit summary at any point, so I question the necessity of placing him on edit summary parole in the first place. I reject the notion that he should remain sanctioned because the parameters of the edit summary parole are no tighter than the ordinary standards of editor conduct; no editor should be unnecessarily sanctioned. I move to speedily grant appeal. AGK 10:43, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

• (Comment dated 07:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC) by NovaSkola removed.) AGK 12:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• With respect, this section is reserved for constructive comments by uninvolved editors. AGK 12:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Result of the appeal by Aregakn

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

Request concerning Ліонкінг

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Ліонкінг and Tuscumbia topic banned for 1 month, placed on 1RR p/week for 4 months. AGK 01:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Request concerning Ліонкінг

User requesting enforcement

Tuscumbia (talk) 13:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Ліонкінг (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

# I do apologize for inconvenience but since this is my first time requesting arbitration enforcement, I might not have requested the action on the proper page. After seeing a comment by another editor , I decided to place the request here, as well. Having said that this link is the direct link to AN/Edit-warring which contains my earlier comment as well as the comment by the reported user and other non-involved users. For ease of reading the original request from AN/Edit Warring, I am placing the same Comment below, in Additional Comments section:

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

# Warning by Brandmeister (talk · contribs)

1. Warning by AGK (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
2. Warning by Tuscumbia (talk · contribs)
3. Warning by Tuscumbia (talk · contribs) at the time of filing the request at AN/Edit-warring

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Topic ban, Revert restrictions, etc.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The user Ліонкінг (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has been engaging in extensive edit-warring for quite some time. The above articles are about cities/towns/regions of Azerbaijan currently under military control of Armenian forces as a result of Nagorno-Karabakh War. The territories are thus under de-facto rule of self-proclaimed NKR which has claimed the autonomous region of NKAO of Azerbaijan in 1988 but eventually occupied more than the claimed territory - 7 surrounding regions of Kelbajar, Zangelan, Lachin, Qubadli, Jabrayil, Agdam, Fizuli (last two partially). These regions along with the regions within the Azerbaijani NKAO were incorporated into unrecognized NKR and their names were changed by the unrecognized authorities. The self-proclaimed country is not recognized by any other countries and any international organization from UN to EC to OIC, etc. Similarly, the Armenian names given by the de-facto regime are not recognized either by any country. The international community recognizes their legitimate names by de-jure government of Azerbaijan. All proper and internationally recognized names are noted by GEOnet Names Server in these articles above in References sections.

The user Ліонкінг tries to override that reality by imposing the Armenian names in Misplaced Pages by inserting the Template:NKR created by him into these article with different names, unsourced by neutral websites and legitimate bodies, thus misleading the reader. For instance, Zangilan is presented as Kovsakan in his template, Lachin as Berdzor, etc.

The user keeps edit-warring while the issue of this template has been taken to the relevant board for discussion on deletion: . Moreover, the user who tries to reach his aim, reported me here ], rather unsuccessfully. My statement is here explaining his objectives: As soon as the case was closed by the admin as inactionable obviously to his surprise, the user Ліонкінг proceeded to his edit-warring 12 minutes later once again reverting all those pages: , , , , , , , , , , , , now taking it a step further by actually inserting unrecognized names into the articles. This can be similarly classified only as a case of music piracy when the songs are appropriated, altered, their names changed but still are unrecgonized as a violation of copyright laws.

Here he disregards WP:AGF sarcastically referring to some defeat, not sure which, but apparently referring to support from Armenian users on deletion discussion:. Here he apparently takes an advantage of 3RR rule and reverts again (apparently unaware that I've done 2 reverts when 3 are allowed): Tuscumbia (talk) 21:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Again, apologies for not placing the request at the proper location earlier.Tuscumbia (talk) 13:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Ліонкінг

Statement by Ліонкінг

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't read everything what here is written by others. Not because I don't respect somebody, but just because I don't have enough time. Everything I wanted, I've already written on the other page where Tuscumbia make a claim. I want just remind that I have not done 3 reverts, both of us (Tuscumbia and I) make 2 reverts. More than that, after his second revert I've reminded him on his talk page that he has done already 2 reverts. During this reverts we have got a discussion about the deleting of template which started Brandmeister. Speaking about request Tuscumbia warned me before 2 minutes, see diff. While I've warned him earlier and both of us made 2 reverts.

I want to remind that since wright begining of my activity users Tuscumbia, Brandmeister and NovaSkola started harassment against me. And it is well organised. You can see as on the Martuni talk page we were discussed the main name of the article. During this discussion User:NovaSkola twicely moved the name of the page. More than that he make a request for protection of this page after his second move. Now the page is protected and pro-Azeri users more don't take a part in discussion as they have made unhonest think and they don't need more discussion. After that this user has tried this system (moving and making request for protection even not participating in the discussion) with an article Mardakert.

Another situation with this users is that in the articles about NKR-controlled Rayons I've changed a mystery number of population which has claimed Azerbaijan (Azerbaijan don't control this teritory and can't know the population of this teritories) and filled the results of the census in 1989 (there was census of 2005, made by NKR, but I've decided to fullfill undoubtfull number for both parties), but Tuscumbia reverted all my edits and said that I'm a nationalist and I support Armenian propaganda. You can just compare the edits. My edit, his revert. He has deleted template "citation needed" where link doesn't works. My neutral link of the all-Soviet census (1989) he has deleted and changed on the Azeri source where are no information where are from this numbers (there were no census after 1989, except NKR census of 2005) and even no info about the year of this facts. He just reverted me edits, because he don't like them. I have not changed Azeri links on Armenian, I've just changed unverificated source on neutral verificated. And so on in the other articles: , , , , and some others. On my warning he answered that my statements are nationalistic, while I have not used even any Armenian source, but I used recognised from both parties USSR census. After that Brandmeister make a claim against me.

Who organised this three users act You can see for example here.

All in all if according to the ruls I must get a punishment (for my 2 reverts if there is punishment for it), such punishment also must get Tuscumbia as he has done similar with me number of reverts.

In my opinion, all these lawsuit filed against me lately are just a dirty way to deal with opponents. --Ліонкінг (talk) 21:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Ліонкінг

Your attention, please! This section is dedicated exclusively to discussing whether the present request concerning Ліонкінг should result in sanctions against Ліонкінг. It is not to be used to discuss the conduct of other editors, conduct by Ліонкінг other than that raised in the request, or content disputes. Editors who continue to misuse this section for such matters may be sanctioned for disrupting arbitration enforcement. If you have anything intelligent, polite and novel to say about the edits by Ліонкінг discussed in the request, please make one statement in a separate section below. (Administrators may still decide to take action against multiple editors as a result of the mess of a discussion above.)  Sandstein  21:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Ліонкінг

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

• Awaiting statement from the subject of the complaint. At present I am inclined to apply a topic ban of moderate length (perhaps one month) to the subject and to any other editors involved in the disputes concerned whose conduct is problematic. AGK 15:43, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• In view of the continued battleground conduct above, several editors may need a topic ban.  Sandstein  19:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Agreed. I will take a final look at the complaint, and at peripheral material such as the above three flamewars, and then propose action. AGK 21:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The conduct of both Ліонкінг and Tuscumbia his laughably poor. I am unfamiliar with the specifics of the underlying content dispute, but both sides do seem to have merit; and so I have treated this dispute as a simple content disagreement. Upon evaluation of this complaint, I see that both parties have repeatedly reverted across various articles relating to Azerbaijan and Armenia. Both have made limited attempts to pursue discussion or dispute resolution; for instance, Talk:Zəngilan was impliedly cited as an instance of inter-party discussion. What I see there is lots of bickering and nothing else. I am unsure what the community's consensus is on whether the templates Ліонкінг and Tuscumbia are edit warring over should be included in these articles and on which iteration of the statements and references being reverted over is the most appropriate for inclusion. But irrespective of the content issues, this method of collaboration is utterly unhelpful.

• Ліонкінг (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is topic banned from all pages relating to Armenia and to Azerbaijan for thirty days from the time of this comment. As always this ban is subject to reset or extension in the event of a violation. Ліонкінг is also prohibited from making more than one revert per week for a period of four months from the date of this comment.
• Ditto the above: Tuscumbia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is topic banned from all pages relating to Armenia and to Azerbaijan for thirty days from the time of this comment. As always this ban is subject to reset or extension in the event of a violation. Tuscumbia is also prohibited from making more than one revert per week for a period of four months from the date of this comment.

This decision is made under the provisions of the discretionary sanctions at Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. Both Ліонкінг and Tuscumbia have previously been placed on notice, and so are sanctionable. This enforcement decision will be logged as usual, and can be appealed only through the usual channels. AGK 01:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

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