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Move to delete articles about African language wikipedias (again)

You previously (around a month ago) took part in consensus about redirecting or deleting articles about African languages such as Amharic Misplaced Pages and Lingala Misplaced Pages. Did you know the same, er, gentlemen, are now once again moving to delete these articles from the English Misplaced Pages since they do not find African language wikipedias notable, and don't understand why anyone else should either. 141.152.28.7 (talk) 17:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

FORU Oceania Cup

Hi. I see you've edited the article on the FORU Oceania Cup to indicate that PNG and the Cook Islands are this year's joint winners. Thank you for updating the article, but there are two important comments I need to make. First, when adding new information, please remember to always specify the source of that information. Second, as I understand, the FORU Cup is split into Eastern and Western divisions, with the winners of the two meeting in the final. Therefore, PNG and the Cooks aren't joint winners; they should meet in a final to determine a single winner. Unless you have a source which says they're joint winners, I'll have to remove what you've added. Thanks. Aridd (talk) 16:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

See response. Greenman (talk) 17:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

A slash made it confusing, but I think it's all right with an "or". If you've got a source for the semi-final results, though, remember to add it. :) Aridd (talk) 18:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Reverts on Currie Cup

Hi Greenman, Sorry if I didn't explain myself regarding the revert. The edits regarding the Griffons link and the event period are completely acceptable, but I disagree with you on the team names. Growing up in South Africa and being involved in rugby myself, the common names for the provincial teams during the Currie Cup season are Vodacom this and Xerox that. This is how they are published and spoken about in a professional level. I understand in casual conversation we refer to the teams by a shorter name, cause who wanted to say Vodacom Western Province, we just say WP, Bulls, Sharks or Lions, but for the content of the article I really do think that the proper names are necessary. (Jonathanburger (talk) 16:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC))

Thanks!

Hello, Greenman. I've just viewed the blog which belongs to you and finds some good news regarding Swahili Misplaced Pages. Yes, we made it, though most of the articles are stubs! Hope to see many report from you, brother. Cheers and thanks again and again.--_{Mwanaharakati} 06:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

h2h-za

hi -- reverted your good faith edit to South Africa. To clarify: Barnard did indeed perform the first human-to-human heart transplant, as implausible as the wording seems. Earlier experiments had been with animal hearts (pigs and such), and yes, animal-to-human. Seb az86556 (talk) 11:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Pontypridd RFC

I would very much appreciate a re-classification of the Pontypridd RFC page. Lots of work has gone into upgrading and updating it recently, and as such, I feel strongly that we're pushing towards a B-class, at the very least. Mayn many thanks, --Monkeynuts2008 (talk) 10:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Flagman/Vdiest

Springbok? there are, and never where any springbok in northern Limpopo. Perhaps you mean redbuck (rooibok)or bushbuck as more commen known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vdiest (talk • contribs) 09:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC) Springbok prefer a warmer near desert climate like the Kalahari. Even the Kruger park does not have any.

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Theleftorium 13:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

dupli.back

I see you reverted my addition of dupli.back to list of backup software, why did you do that? the page I am talking about is this.. http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_backup_software

I do not understand why you did what you did and so I have since reverted your revert.

You need to add the article first - see WP:WTAF.Greenman (talk) 10:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Spirulina

I reverted your reversion of of my addition of information per wp:preserve, if you do not like the wording then feel free to reword it, however sourced statements should not be removed. For your information I did read the source, however perhaps my assumption of conclusiveness was rash. --UltraMagnus (talk) 12:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

your opinion/input

...needed here Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 21:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Rugby union - Any input?

Hi

Your revert has been reverted. There is a discussion here if you have anything to ad? Sahmejil (talk) 08:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

List of concentration and internment camps

The Sri Lankan camps are refugee camps. But terrorist sympathisers and foreign elements are publishing *allegations* of them being internment camps. As there is no concrete evidence, or court of law verdict in the matter, please consider removing your edit. ThanksKerr avon (talk) 00:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

This is absolutely uncalled for, calling fellow editors terrorist sympathizers and foreign elements as such. We are crearting an encylopedia, if a section is based on reliable sources then such information can be wriiten down not deleted and threaten fellow editors. Taprobanus (talk) 15:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Christian Democratic Party edits

You changed the present tense items to past tense in http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Christian_Democratic_Party_(South_Africa)&diff=next&oldid=286064568 without giving any references to show that the information you changed is no longer true. Are you quite certain that none of the items that you changed, is still current? -- leuce (talk) 09:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Response Greenman (talk) 15:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

your request

Hi Greenman,

regarding your usurp request on nlwiki, could you please make your request on nl:Misplaced Pages:Verzoek_voor_hernoeming_van_account#Nieuwe_verzoeken ? Thanks! effeietsanders 13:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've renamed the local user on nl.wiki to Greenman (old). The user name Greenman on nl.wikipedia is now open for you to use on nl. Best regards, Niels 20:38, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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"is" and then "decend" ? - well, either "population" is singular or it is plural, you can't have it both ways. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 01:29, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, you are right :) Greenman (talk) 00:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Kugluktuk, Nunavut

If you see any more like this can you either revert it as unsourced rather than vandalism. A temperature of +27 in December is so wrong that I'm surprised it hasn't be changed before. There are multiple places in Nunavut that have incorrect temperatures and it appears that is one of them. I've been corresponding with Environment Canada about them and they are going to be changing them in the new year. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 20:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Caramel color and GMO

I do not understand the point of the GMO info in the caramel color article. Of course the sugar used to make caramel color can come from GMO or non-GMO sources. And of course PCR can't detect that since sugar contains no genetic material. That could be said of anything made with sugar. You could just as well say "Since the sweetener in ketchup/candy/cognac can be produced from maize, which may be grown in the <<pick your favorite pariah country>>, there is a possibility that it will contain <<pariah country>> material that cannot be detected by a Polymerase chain reaction." -- which would be equally true and, as far as I can tell, equally out of place in the article. --macrakis (talk) 07:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. The property "containing GMO ingredients" can be predicated of all vegetable products, just as can be the property "being produced in Myanmar" or "grown on irrigated land" or "grown from Japanese seed". Each of those properties could be of interest to a variety of people for a variety of reasons, and cannot in general be determined by biochemical analysis of the product (PCR or other), and is not necessarily indicated on the label. Now we come to a product category like Caramel color (not a particular product made by a particular producer) and in that product category there may be some members which contain GMO ingredients or are produced in Myanmar or are grown on irrigated land or whatever. What possible value is there to saying "Some of the members of this product category may have property X." when property X is something members of just about any product category could have? --macrakis (talk) 16:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm still not being clear, I guess. Let's stick to GMO's in particular for a moment, since my examples of "grown in Myanmar" etc. seem to have confused the issue rather than clarified it. GMO corn is used for many things besides making sugars for caramel color. Are you saying that every article about every product that could potentially use GMO plant products should have a comment about GMO components? Should the articles on shirts (GMO cotton), gasoline (ethanol from GMO corn), and cooking oil (GMO soybeans) mention that they may (or may not) contain GMO plant products? (Which except for the cotton may not be detectable biochemically.) How far does that go? Should the article on potato chips mention that they are sometimes colored with caramel color which is sometimes made from sugars derived from GMO crops? Should the article on diabetes mention that insulin is often produced from GMO bacteria?

Now let's look at the other dimension of 'interesting' properties of ingredients. There are surely people out there who would like to boycott Myanmar because of its human rights record, or Japan because of WWII war crimes. There are people are concerned about sustainability of desert-region irrigation. Etc. Surely we're not going to mention in every article about every product whether some versions of it are produced in Myanmar or Japan or produced with desert irrigation.

It seems to me that when there is a direct and strong connection between the topic of the article and some other topic, it is worth mentioning, e.g. GMO rapeseed in the canola article or GMO corn in high-fructose corn syrup. It is when the connection is indirect and weak that I don't think it's useful, especially since WP is nicely hyperlinked and it's easy to find out more about constituents of any particular product. --macrakis (talk) 21:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind if I copied our discussion to the Talk page so other editors can give their opinion? --macrakis (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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Duplicate?

I see you reverted my deletion. I really had looked for the duplicate but didn't find it, so I reverted the deletion as sneaky vandalism, which is a common occurrence. One can't trust edit summaries from IPs. Where is the duplicate located? -- Brangifer (talk) 18:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Advertising on Wiki

Hi Greenman, I refer you to your wiki / reply to me regarding some edits I did on behalf of my accounting and ERP software client - Pastel Accounting:

"Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Misplaced Pages pages, as you did to Comparison of accounting software. Advertising and using Misplaced Pages as a "soapbox" is against Misplaced Pages policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Greenman (talk) 14:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)"

As much as I understand what you are saying in this post and note the rules of Misplaced Pages, I would like to understand how Pastel Accounting's competitors have their own pages - http://en.wikipedia.org/Softline, http://en.wikipedia.org/Quickbooks to name a few. This seems a little hypocritical to me as the "comparison of accounting software page" - http://en.wikipedia.org/Comparison_of_accounting_software ; is also used a "soapbox" to benefit the brands that are listed there.

Please will you clarify why these pages are up and how I can improve Pastel Accounting's copy in an unbiased fashion in order to have it hosted by Misplaced Pages, as I find this very unfair that my clients competitors are on Misplaced Pages "promoting" their brand, and we cannot.

CKNET (talk) 08:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)CKNETCKNET (talk) 08:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Aspartame controversy

I've asked Immortale to remove or refactor the comment . It doesn't mention the external link in any way, correct? Could you explain how it meets WP:TALK and is relevant to the discussion on the external link? --Ronz (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

He's moved it to it's own section. It's disruptive, but at least he's no asserting it has anything to do with the external link discussion. --Ronz (talk) 15:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Richard Goldstone

Thanks for the kind words. Do you think it might be possible to get some more South African Wikipedians to have a look at the article? I've posted a request to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject South Africa, but if you know other South African Wikipedians who might be able to provide advice that would be very useful. -- ChrisO (talk) 11:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll sound a few people out and see if we can get some more people keeping an eye on the article. Greenman (talk) 21:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Richard Goldstone - new version

You commented recently on some BLP issues concerning Richard Goldstone. I've written a considerably expanded and improved version of the article in my userspace at User:ChrisO/Goldstone. If you have any comments about this new version before it gets transferred into article space, please feel free to comment at Talk:Richard Goldstone#New version. -- ChrisO (talk) 23:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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