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Welcome, correspondents If you're here because I deleted an article you think should be undeleted, please read this first and remember--Most of the time, I didn't write the text that appears in the deletion summary.
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Question

Would you be willing to coach me? Thanks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why not. What is your coaching goal that you'd like me to help you achieve? Jclemens (talk) 01:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Well mainly the admin bit but if you want to do anything else, I am more than willing to do it. There is already a subpage on my userpage that contains what Julian and I started even though you might prefer to redo everything at the beginning. Thanks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey database man

If you're looking to make use of those new resources, I'm looking for reliable sources for Marie-Rosalie Cadron-Jetté‎, Eulalie Durocher and Émilie Gamelin other than those currently present in the articles. If you feel like looking and find something, feel free to email me the text. No worries if you can't / don't. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh. All three of those are reasonably established articles, one a GA, which are not in danger of being deleted. I'll try finding a bit for Gamelin, but realize that the offer was made to the ARS for the express purpose of demonstrating notability of articles for which free sources were lacking, rather than to Misplaced Pages as a whole. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 04:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, first pass is that there are 314 Lexis-Nexis articles covering the last 10 years, but the most "relevant" one documents a gay pride event held in a park named after her. The second one (The Beatification of Mother Emilie Gamelin is Celebrated in Montreal - On May 4, 2002, some 5,000 people will gather in the Maurice Richard Arena for a "Celebration of a Life") is entirely relevant, but a press release. Adding her maiden name of Tavernier, I get the following results for the past 10 years:

1. Blessed are these Quebec women The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec), April 28, 2001 Saturday, RELIGION,, 1031 words, HARVEY SHEPHERD

2. Blessed are these Quebec women The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec), April 28, 2001 Saturday, RELIGION,, 1031 words, HARVEY SHEPHERD

3. Pope certifies miracle, moving Canadian closer to sainthood The Ottawa Citizen, December 20, 2000 Wednesday, 519 words, Bob Harvey

4. Pope certifies miracle, moving Canadian closer to sainthood The Ottawa Citizen, December 20, 2000 Wednesday, 522 words, Bob Harvey

5. Kingston nun on the road to sainthood The Ottawa Citizen, September 8, 2001 Saturday, 204 words

6. Arena to hold mass The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec), May 3, 2002 Friday Final Edition, News; Briefs; Pg. A4, 91 words

7. One step closer to sainthood The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec), December 20, 2000 Wednesday, NEWS,, 283 words

8. 'Blessed' one on road to sainthood The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec), October 3, 2001 Wednesday, NEWS: CITY LIFE,, 415 words, HARVEY SHEPHERD

9. What's inside today's Gazette The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec), October 8, 2001 Monday, NEWS,, 391 words

10. Nun slain in convent; Resident arrested. Victim, 81, worked with potentially violent men. Body found in wing used as halfway house for substance abusers The Gazette (Montreal), August 14, 2007 Tuesday, NEWS; Pg. A1 , 681 words, MAX HARROLD, The Gazette

11. 'Reaching toward God'; Although his works were Jewish in their innate sensibility,; the prolific composer always struck a universal chord The Globe and Mail (Canada), April 23, 2002 Tuesday, OBITUARIES; SRUL IRVING GLICK: AN APPRECIATION; Pg. R11, 1151 words, PAULA CITRON

There appear to be a couple of redundancies here, and two which appear to be false positives, but there are a good half-dozen sources in Canadian newspapers. So, of these, what would you like sourced? Since I can't download text for you or anything similar, I would pretty much have to make improvements on my own--you see why this would be time consuming, I expect. Jclemens (talk) 04:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Numbers 1, 3, 5, 7 and 8 may all potentially be useful although they may just be replicating what's in the article. I'm curious about 10 and 11 but they're almost certainly not relevant to the article. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

At a quick glance, I expect they would be able to help you expand the "Death and beatification" section. Jclemens (talk) 05:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Terry Behrens

My bio page was deleted by you. I am the individual who this bio page was written about. All facts in my bio were accurate and nothing written was offensive or illicit. The facts on my bio page harmed no other individual in any way. I am requesting that my page be reinstated. Thank you so very much. I look forward to your response.

My Original Page read as follows:

Terry Behrens

Terry L. Behrens (also known as Jeri Lee) is a model who appeared in Penthouse Magazine.

She appeared in the Max Baer Jr. directed film The Wild McCullochs, where she played the girlfriend of Gary McCulloch, a character played by Chip Hand. She was depicted in the movie's poster artwork, later shown on the DVD and VHS releases of the film.

From there, Behrens worked as the Assistant to the Associate Producer for the film Ode to Billy Joe. This film was also directed by Max Baer Jr.

She was the cover model in September 1976, appearing later in feature "A Pinch of Sass" (January 1977) and "Collectors Edition: Girls of Penthouse #2", published in 1979.

Her agent renamed as Jeri Lee for Penthouse, without her authorization. The magazine went to print before Behrens discovered this, and was left with little option but to accept the pseudonym.

Behrens also appeared on Redd Foxx Comedy Hour, on 8 December 1977 as Month of January in the "Calendar Girls" skit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.12.159 (talk) 04:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		I am pleased to award you this barnstar for you work on 50 Cutest Child Stars: All Grown Up in turning what was essentially a list into an article. While I may have added only one additional ref and cleaned up the ref format somewhat, your work is appreciated. Thanks Schmidt, 06:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Jclemens (talk) 04:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Your notice of page protection at WP:V

Ha... I love the way you worded your notice of protection (saying that "I have protected the wrong version")... you obviously know how the typical content dispute argument goes... saying that right at the start adds a little humor, and prevents that particular side argument from developing. nice. Keep up the good work, and thanks. Blueboar (talk) 16:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Southern Poverty Law Center

Can I get your opinion here? I blocked and CIreland protected, and we are trying a quick hash on how to proceed. Regards, - 2/0 (cont.) 02:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Replied there, thanks. Jclemens (talk) 02:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Dino Rossi

A new user(?) Merrill Stubing has been inserting some contentious material therein. I doubt he is actually a new editor (uses edit summaries on the first of his now 50 edits starting on 26 April, but really determined to have Dino Rossi include such BLP material as " Rossi has a documented history of previously supporting earmarks as well as balancing budgets without raising taxes. As a State senator while in the political minority he approved a budget in 2003 with $25,000,000 in earmarks, and in 2007 a $433,000 earmark gift was given to a baseball team which Rossi was previously a co-owner of. " I am rather unsure of the relevance of all this, even though it appears to be an attempt to promote Rossi, in contrast to Hayek's edits. I am also, frankly, unsure that "publicola.net" is RS by WP standards - it is specifically a blog not related to any print media, and with no sign of central fact-checking and editorial control. Thanks. Collect (talk) 09:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

A Blog is non-RS by default, but that presumption can be overcome by showing that it has appropriate editorial control. In the case of a BLP, delete first, allow people to demonstrate how and why it might qualify as an RS, but I'd be REALLY surprised if it did. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 14:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I did delete - but the editor restored it saying it was an "award winning news site" <g>. Alas - the blog has won zero awards. I think you would be entertained by his edit history - like Venus, his first edits had summaries. I seriously doubt he is a new editor at all, as he was instantly familiar with infoboxes and categories. Collect (talk) 17:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Looking at , it doesn't appear to be entirely clearcut whether or not it's an RS. I'd take it to RSN or BLPN for more eyes. Regardless, the phrasing is terrible. Jclemens (talk) 17:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Abusive speedy delete

Please look at abusive speedy delete of Arrest of Two New Jersey Men Bound for Somalia by user:Marcus Qwertyus He is claiming that incident with international coverage is a) not notable and b) violates NOTNEWS. He implies that Fort Hood shooter was also properly nominated for deletion, and if nobody is killed, terrorism arrests are not notable. These people get away with it because nobody challenges them. Bachcell (talk) 17:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I did not! I voted keep in that article. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 17:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Guys, the big question with G10 is is the controversial statement sourced reliably? In this case, it's directly sourced to the NYT, so G10 doesn't apply. I've modified the article to include a direct quote from the NYT. I suggest you guys go straight to AfD. Jclemens (talk) 17:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

well that really helped ... now it's an abusive afd, he says we can't have articlesfor terrorism wanna bes even if it's in the New York Times. Articles for deletion nomination of Arrest of Two New Jersey Men Bound for Somalia Bachcell (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't attack the motivation of the nominator, source the article well. Being demonstrably right is the best defense against an AfD. Jclemens (talk) 18:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Your rollbacks

ANI complaint regarding rollback abuse

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Articles for deletion/Absexual

Hello. Why did you revert the comment made by Snottywong in the WP:Articles for deletion/Absexual? There doesn't appear to have been anything wrong with his comment, nor a prohibition regarding his ability to post in AfD discussions. Thank you in advance for your indulgence of my curiosity. Cheers. Movementarian (Talk) 07:03, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:ANI#User:Snottywong.2Fuserboxes.2FARSbackfire explains the situation for detail. Thanks for asking constructively. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 07:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I see there is a bigger issue at play. Cheers. Movementarian (Talk) 07:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I really think you need to step back

Jclemens, I think you need to stand back a bit and find a dog to take for a walk. Your contributions have always been well balanced and constructive and this latest episode and an AFD I saw earlier today is really really unlike you and I am quite concerned that you are not your usual self. I actually checked the history to see if it was you posting. Having had serious RL issues affecting my editing recently, I think I'm well placed to be worried that the way you are acting and responding suggests that something is seriously affecting you. I hope its something minor and will pass quickly, and I apologise for jumping to conclusions if I'm completely wrong about this, but this really isn't you. Best wishes Spartaz 08:03, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Jclemens, you need to take time to reflect on this very seriously before you come back OK? Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Concerns about your admin tool usage

I have concerns about your use of admin tools. Recently, you used rollback to remove a users AFD contributions without reviewing if those contributions were disruptive. This appears to have germinated from a dispute you were having with this user at Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/50_Cutest_Child_Stars:_All_Grown_Up. You are not supposed to use your tools against users with whom you are in a dispute. Further, you have been dishonest in the other discussion regarding this - you wrote "...Am I an ARS member? Nope..." This is belied by this edit to your user page - when you made that edit, the userbox was , and included anyone who placed it on their userpage in Category:Wikipedians in the Article Rescue Squadron. That template, and your existance on Misplaced Pages:Article Rescue Squadron/Members in the collapse box for people with the template persists today.

Additionally, this is not the first possible misuse of tools by you.

1. In , you closed an active AFD. That noticeboard was closed with "B said it well." B said, in part "...Jclemsens' action was clearly inappropriate..."
2. In a concern is presented that you made a decision to use your admin tools because of personal animosity between you and another.

What can you do to assure me, and other users reading, that you will not let your personal problems with other users, or your membership in various interest groups interfere with your use of adminstrative tools? Thanks for your time and attention. Hipocrite (talk) 12:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

1. "It Turns Out Rossi Has a History of Piling Up Earmarks Too". Publicola News. 2010. Retrieved June 4, 2010. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dateformat= ignored (help)