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Citations re Tony Attwood controversy section
You wrote in the Tony Attwood article: "Dr. Attwood has also been publicly quoted as saying that most science fiction and Star Trek fans exhibit personality deficits indicating a likelihood of Asperger's. This rather sweeping generalization is regarded by some as an offensive stereotype, reflecting cultural bigotry on Dr. Attwood's part."
Could you provide some citations/references please? (The link you posted in the Asperger syndrome article does not quite support your claims) AvB ÷ talk 19:27, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm comparatively new here and haven't participated in any debate here before, so if this isn't formatted right, I'm sorry.
I am becoming severely irritated at what I have added about the science-fiction/Asperger thing being removed as supposedly anti-Aspie. I am not, having both ADHD and a lesser case of AS myself, and with a son similarly afflicted.
I am anti-cultural bigotry. There is a long, established history of science fiction being regarded as "that crazy Buck Rogers stuff", with a similar lack of regard for those who read it. This whole "that explains the science fiction weirdos -- they all have a personality defecit disorder" attitude is a slam which stains anyone who is a fan of the genre, and it is NOT "neutral point of view" to let a bigotry, even one held by a professional in the field, go unremarked-upon. Try substituting some other group for Star Trek fans in Attwood's remark, like Jews or blacks or Democrats, and see if it still sounds harmless.
Davidkevin 23:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- See the compromise I proposed on the Asperger syndrome discussion page where you also posted the above. Please note, however, that you still need to quote your sources in order to keep the Attwood controversy section as it now stands. AvB ÷ talk 03:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
- I must say your reasoning as presented on the Asperger Syndrome discussion page is very different from the one you originally added to SF Fandom, Asperger syndrome and here. Are you sure about the legal/rights/etc. ramifications? If so, your current reading could be the basis of a better controversy section for the Attwood article. Some tweaking would be required, if only because being diagnosed with AS as a child should have no bearing on one's "psychiatric status" as an adult. ("The overwhelming majority of available information on Asperger syndrome relates to children; there is currently more conjecture than hard evidence on how it affects adults" -- Asperger syndrome). FWIW, I hadn't figured in the legal angle as I believe things are different in the Netherlands (where I live) and possibly in Australia (Attwood's home base). I'm now looking up more info on this. If I find something useful I'll report back. Oh, and before I forget, if you haven't done so already, please check out some of the resources mentioned in the standard welcome notice inserted above. Misplaced Pages has some not-so-intuitive rules one needs to know. AvB ÷ talk 14:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
- I didn't find any confirmation of ramifications regarding someone's legal rights when diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. So unless someone comes up with external sources, this cannot be used in Misplaced Pages (see Neutral point of view). I also didn't find any reports on negative reponses to Attwoods Star Trek remark. How about you? AvB ÷ talk 14:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
- I must say your reasoning as presented on the Asperger Syndrome discussion page is very different from the one you originally added to SF Fandom, Asperger syndrome and here. Are you sure about the legal/rights/etc. ramifications? If so, your current reading could be the basis of a better controversy section for the Attwood article. Some tweaking would be required, if only because being diagnosed with AS as a child should have no bearing on one's "psychiatric status" as an adult. ("The overwhelming majority of available information on Asperger syndrome relates to children; there is currently more conjecture than hard evidence on how it affects adults" -- Asperger syndrome). FWIW, I hadn't figured in the legal angle as I believe things are different in the Netherlands (where I live) and possibly in Australia (Attwood's home base). I'm now looking up more info on this. If I find something useful I'll report back. Oh, and before I forget, if you haven't done so already, please check out some of the resources mentioned in the standard welcome notice inserted above. Misplaced Pages has some not-so-intuitive rules one needs to know. AvB ÷ talk 14:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
- You have a lot of damned nerve telling me, posting from the Netherlands, on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, that since you supposedly can't find a link to an account of employment discrimination that it can't be mentioned on Misplaced Pages when I have directly experienced it myself, here, in the United States, where I live and you do not.
- Remember the adage, "Write about what you know"? Well, you *don't* know in this case, and it infuriates me that you presume that your supposition is superior to my direct experience.
- Davidkevin 09:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
- I've asked for someone neutral to mediate. AvB ÷ talk 13:00, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
False Invitation
I have closed the RfC on Tony Attwood - see the discussion page.
Please accept this invitation to start over and grow some mutual respect. Just say the word here or on my talk page - or feel free to ignore. Your call. AvB ÷ talk 00:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- What part of "quit stalking me and my edits" do you not understand?
- Leave me and my work alone, or I will report you as a stalker.