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Illuminati Eye?

How ironic! Or is that intentional? Congrats for becoming part of the central (edit) planning authority on "Libertarian" WP! Anyway, I wanted to comment on how "brave" you were deleting all of debt-based monetary system. It takes a lot of courage (and skill!) to pick up an eraser and rub. You keep rubbing on Peter Schiff and Tea Party too. You seem to be rubbing a little too vigorously all over the place. I'd ease off a little on the rubbing if I was you. But then, clearly I'm not you, am I? Thank the one true God for that (which isn't yours!). Ha Ha Ha! - CentralBankersAreBlindLikeMoles (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

For someone who purports to be well-versed in private property theories, you certainly do continue to express ignorance in rather basic tenets --- foremost that the internal structure of PRIVATE COMPANIES are NOT in any way comparable to governments. I know it helps you to rationalize your jackass behavior, but Mises and Rothbard -- and more recently, Rand Paul -- and basically all of your libertarian heroes would celebrate Misplaced Pages's right to run their business in whatever way they see fit (regardless of how "totalitarian" their "central planning authority" may seem to you). Making the effort to be honest with yourself is probably the first step to getting people to take you more seriously, but it seems you're rather content with your laughingstock status as a hypocritical clown. BigK HeX (talk) 12:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, you might be interested to know that no one fears the "power" of your "information". People just don't like your ramblings distracting from legitimate information. BigK HeX (talk) 13:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring again

Please note that you appear to have broken 3RR on Criticism of fractional-reserve banking. Please remember that every removal is a partial revert to your stub. Yworo (talk) 15:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

You can try to game the system like that if you like. My guess is that you'll fool no one. BigK HeX (talk) 15:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Um, that's not gaming the system. I haven't reported you but simply wanted to make you aware that WP:3RR is very clear about partial reverts. Please stop edit warring. Yworo (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Neither have I reported you, but please stop wiki hounding. BigK HeX (talk) 15:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't appreciate that accusation. If you'll look at the edit history for G. Edward Griffin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), you'll see I've been an editor of that article since December. That's because it's a subject I'm interested in, just as you are. Yworo (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

So, you deny reaching the "Criticisms" article through my contributions? BigK HeX (talk) 15:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

How I found the article is immaterial. I added the article to my watchlist recently because it is a subject area in which I am interested and have been editing in since at least December. Now, if I added some article in a topic you are interested in but which I am not, that would be wikistalking. But you can't seriously think that you can game the system to claim I can't edit a new article in an area I'm already interested in simply because you were there first! Yworo (talk) 15:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it is not my opinion that you can't edit the article "because I was there first." But, my question was simple. Did you find the article through my contributions? BigK HeX (talk) 15:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

IIRC, I found it through Federal Reserve System (an article I've edited) -> Criticism of the Federal Reserve (which I've not edited yet) via the see also section of the latter article. Yworo (talk) 15:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

please note that your revert with the comment "emoved POV writing ... WP is probably NOT a dramatic thriller novel)" has now been sent to dispute resolution. i don't believe that the federal reserve would write a "dramatic thriller novel" about itself —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourmanstan (talk • contribs) 05:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Third party in WP:POORSRC

This is intended for named third-party individuals. If someone has an opinion about banks that use fractional-reserve, that's just an opinion and not an attack on an individual. Just as for example not liking blue-suede shoes is not an attack on some specific blue-suede-shoe wearer. You are misusing the guideline. Griffin's opinions are being sourced. That's it. Yworo (talk) 19:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

You can choose to read the policy in whatever way you like. The actual words there are "third party" and I am quite sure that the spirit of the policy is very certainly aimed at preventing the use of unreliable sources as coatracks from which to hang dubious criticisms. Between my reading of the actual policy guideline and your presumptions of what you believe to be implied there, I'll stand by the actual words. BigK HeX (talk) 20:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Did you read the source? It covers problems with fractional banking between 1361 and 1857. Who's being attacked, I ask again? Yworo (talk) 20:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

thanks :D

I saw your post on the AN/I and I appreciate your comments. Nice working with you, too. Here ya go: . Malke2010 22:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem at all. Just thought you (and others) might feel better to know that your civility -- even in difficult edits -- is being appreciated. Best wishes! BigK HeX (talk) 22:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow

Hey, thanks so much. That's awfully nice of you and I appreciate it. Once I've engaged, I really consider it my responsibility as an editor to stick around an article even though the tenets of WP:3O don't require or assume that a person would do such a thing. Anyway, thank you again. — e. ripley\ 16:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! BigK HeX (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Income tax

First, let me thank you for your good edits.

The key adjective in the Wilson bit is "progressive". The earlier income tax was a flat tax. Wilson's tax was, I think, the first income tax to tax the rich at a higher rate than the poor. Rick Norwood (talk) 17:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

As far as the earlier taxation: Revenue Act of 1862 ... has 3 brackets (under $600, $600 - $10,0000, and over $10,000). A modification in 1864 added another bracket, I think. BigK HeX (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Rand Paul

Pay attention to what you're doing before edit warring.--William S. Saturn (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Christian

I'm all for anything that can avoid an edit war, but the major speakers for the American Right use the word Christian so often that it seems to me that "Judeo-Christian" is dodging the truth of the matter. As for "socialism", I've explained my objection in Talk. It isn't that the Right is not anti-socialist, it is that the word "socialism" has come to be used so losely it is meaningless. Rick Norwood (talk) 17:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought about splitting my comment into the two sections, but am under the impression that most people only read the bottom of the Talk page. Rick Norwood (talk) 18:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Possibly, you're right. If you want to restore your comment, feel free to do so. I think having the two issues addressed separately keeps the discussion from wandering all over the place. BigK HeX (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

TPM

We've had this edit or a very similar one show up before. . Take a look at the talk page. I wanted to pare down the Commentaries section and also, I think we should pare down the Polls section. The article is really getting outsized. Thanks.Malke2010 23:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I noticed your efforts (and your great work at consensus seeking). I didn't notice anything objectionable in your proposals. Guess I'll see what the end result looks like. BigK HeX (talk) 00:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. If you think it's okay, mention it on the talk page. Once we get an idea of where everybody is at with it, we can change it. Would be nice to get the article down sized a bit. There will always be more stuff to put in down the line, I'm sure. And be sure and mention where we should trim the Polls section. Malke2010 00:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics Newsletter (Issue III)

Conservatism in the United States

Some modern historians have tried to trace a history of conservatism, e.g., Viereck, Kirk, Rossiter, Allitt. Modern conservatives themselves are eager to extend the history of their movement before the 1950s or whether it existed. Unfortunately there is no agreement on the definition or narrative of conservatism. TFD (talk) 17:42, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this is being clearly conveyed in the article at all. I am about to go on a tagging spree there. BigK HeX (talk) 17:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Discuss

Can you send me an email from my talk page? I would like to discuss our favorite sock-puppeteer in a more private forum. Thanks, LK (talk) 08:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk page revert

Please review WP:TPG and don't do as you did on Talk:Conservatism in the United States again. Thank you and have a nice day. Soxwon (talk) 20:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

You refactored other's comments w/o their permission and with no obvious reason as listed by acceptable reasons on WP:TPG. Therefore, I reverted your edits using Twinkle. Soxwon (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Although I have not been able to concentrate on it lately, I have been active on that talk page in the past and usually keep an eye on it. As for the vandalism and reasons given, *shrugs* I was probably a bit quick to hit the vandalism part, but honestly, it's probably just best to leave a quick message on the editors talkpage and letting them do it themselves IMO (less confusion, no chance for changing meaning by accident, and you aren't at fault). Soxwon (talk) 21:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd agree it's less troublesome to let an editor move his own out-of-place comment. BigK HeX (talk) 21:57, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

tertiary source

When you say we require a tertiary source do you mean one which connects mass killings to communism? mark nutley (talk) 22:27, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

It's fine if the secondary sources do that. But, a tertiary source would help us know where there is broad agreement in the field between the secondary sources, and where there is sharp disagreement. A tertiary source that surveys works which includes Rummel (Valentino, etc) would help the article immensely. BigK HeX (talk) 22:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I think this may be what your after, i have only glanced through it as i just finished doing my accounts and my eyes have melted :) These guys compare and discuss quite a few of the people who work in this field. mark nutley (talk) 23:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

1rr

If he does, I will plead the template; I had my one revert, and I discussed it. Incidentally, have you encountered m. nutley and OpenFuture together on other pages? Yhey have common verbal tics. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I believe this past week has been my first encounter. Oddly enough, the only clear 1RR violation has been OpenFuture when he reverted my edit and then yours. In theory, if you wanted to play it safe, you could self-revert and then have OpenFuture self-revert as well. BigK HeX (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh .. one unfortunate note though. I don't think WP:OWN would override a 1RR violation, had one occurred. Though I still think there's a better than 50/50 chance you're OK. BigK HeX (talk) 17:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

An interesting idea about an armistice. But let's see if they can come up with any reason to keep the dictionary definitions first. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually Openfuture`s is only 1r, both edits are unbroken mark nutley (talk) 17:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

The hilarity of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mass killings under Communist regimes (3rd nomination) continues. Thanks for your helpful comments. As much as I have my opinion, I also want us all to at least argue over something relevant. I've serendipitously been involved in most of this article's debates (and really, not out of some political watch-list... I stumbled upon the first one and then followed it since then) so I've grown a little exacerbated with the whole thing, especially because there are a few people I know commenting there I'm not especially convinced by. Anyway, policy differences notwithstanding, thank you for your comments. Shadowjams (talk) 09:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I've only checked on the article sporadically (but it looks like I picked a good time for some wiki-drama). To think, I got sucked into this article by giving what I thought was a simple tie-breaking opinion on a question regarding the accuracy of the death tolls. I guess I should've checked the talk page before stumbling into the hornet's nest. I must admit that, sadly, I don't think any amount of willingness to find consensus will actually get the editors there. But, it's good to see that there are editors determined to set the stage! BigK HeX (talk) 09:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

You have no idea. Without naming any names, there are some clear political opinions going on there. Sure we all have some, but the degree to which they abandon wikipedia policy is surprising to me. I'd expect it on some contemporary political issues, but I thought that the book was closed on communist regimes as a political success story. My opinion, obviously political too, but I'd like to transcend those base instincts from time to time. I hope we all can. Thank you again. Shadowjams (talk) 10:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Third Opinion

Thank you for taking the time to give a 3rd Opinion on Talk:Port_Adelaide_Magpies_Football_Club#1870 Vs 1997. I will concede to you suggestion and hopefully (as long as we can agree on the change), once the page has it's protection removed, change it accordingly. Sequal1 (talk) 09:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Formal Mediation for MkuCr

Thank you for stepping up and getting things going on formal mediation. I don't think the current AfD is going to solve anything (especially since I thought the previous AfD had) and I was going to propose formal mediation again myself. But since my earlier proposal for it on the talk page went nowhere, I wasn't sure how to get us there. Do you have any previous experience with formal mediation? AmateurEditor (talk) 01:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

No experience whatsoever. So ... feel free to take the reins there! Hopefully someone at the Mediation Committee can see a way through our collective impasse at that article. BigK HeX (talk) 02:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have less time than I used to have for Misplaced Pages (which is why I have been almost absent from the AfD discussion until now). I want to participate, but I doubt I could lead anything unless the pace slows way down. AmateurEditor (talk) 03:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing my mess up. I had to run out the door and didn't double check. LK (talk) 07:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Never a prob. Actually, I thought it might have been some goof-up that I originally inserted into the text, since I am the editor that once added those assertions (about financial panics) to the article long ago. BigK HeX (talk) 07:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

July 2010

In the disagreement hierarchy you are frequently on level 4 (with WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT regarding evidence for Rummel being non-fringe) to 7 (with ad hominems like the one on MmuComR ecently). Please improve your attitude and debating style. Your current debating style is WP:DISRUPTIVE. --OpenFuture (talk) 12:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow .... a response containing only charges that actually apply to you. Watching what could be projection is such a treat.

In any case, our little discussion might be viewed as annoying. My contributions to the discussion are continuous posts to refocus the discussion on policy after distractions from policy, which is probably far more acceptable than the continuous posts discussing everything except the applicable policy. BigK HeX (talk) 15:13, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Your refusal to consider your own debating style just means that constructive debate will continue to be impossible. That's too bad. --OpenFuture (talk) 15:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes. At the current rate, constructive debate will continue to be impossible -- but that has nothing to do with me. That you find it annoying for me to refocus the conversation on policy every time you fail to post the requested RS is one matter, but it's certainly NOT why the "debate" fails to be constructive. FRINGE objections have been raised, and you've been challenged to quote and cite an RS which fulfills the policy I've quoted for you about 6 times; you have done everything except that. When you're willing to consider the value (or lack thereof) within your own contributions, maybe the discussion will become more productive. BigK HeX (talk) 16:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, your excuses aren't helping. You are not "refocusing", any more than I'm "refocusing" on your personal attacks. It's just bad excuses to yourself to avoid looking critically at your own behavior. If you wanted to refocus, the first thing you would do is to strike your own ad hominemns. But you refuse. --OpenFuture (talk) 16:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

If you're going to continue the transparent filibustering on my talk, then please just confine it here from now on, so that we can free the article talk page of all that rubbish. BigK HeX (talk) 17:28, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I clicked to see the talk page and apparently hit rollback instead. TFD (talk) 18:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Not a prob. Thought you might have been removing that section, since it seems to be another thread prompted by a long-term sockpuppeteer. BigK HeX (talk) 18:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Steven Milloy

Please do not revert unreliable sources into a BLP as you did at Steven Milloy. Also your yellow floating tag thingy means i can`t click on new section? mark nutley (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Please use the talk page to explain your reasoning ... not as a place to repeat your terse edit comments. BigK HeX (talk) 19:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2000Q3/junkman.html....http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/the-arctic-climate-impact-assessment/.... http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tobacco.html

These citations do look not WP:RS to me, please stop adding this disputed material to a WP:BLP and follow WP:BRD on the talkpage. Off2riorob (talk) 19:29, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

You have broken wp:3RR please self revert mark nutley (talk)

Please come to the talkpage of the article and explain why you edit warr this poorly cited content into a BLP. Off2riorob (talk) 19:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

In answer to your question on WP:RSN

FYI, Off2riorob appears to think that because I have edited some climate change articles I am automatically aware of, involved in and responsible for all problems in all climate change articles. He has some very strange views. I would suggest ignoring him, frankly. -- ChrisO (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Given the wild speculation that I'm seeing so far, it looks like very sage advice that you're offering here. Thanks! BigK HeX (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

You should have seen the discussion I had with him earlier on my talk page - like something out of Kafka, frankly... -- ChrisO (talk) 23:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know all this climate wiki-drama was going on. Seems like a pretty huge nexus of uncompromising editing. Pretty wiki-serious stuff  :-O BigK HeX (talk) 00:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Yep welcome to climate change mark nutley (talk) 00:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)