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Happy editing! Dustimagic *\o/* *\o/* 03:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

essayfraud.org

Hi Sarah,

I understand that you are trying to promote this site, but me and another editor have agreed that it does not belong in the Plagiarism article. Sorry. -Ecyclopediac 04:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I also agree - Misplaced Pages is not the place to promote your site. Rhobite 20:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you think it's "my" site? Let me get this straight--I take my valuable, personal time (when not standing in front of a chalkbaord) to research and find unique content that contributes in a new way to fighting plagiarism and academic fraud, and you crucify me for it? What have YOU done to better this planet? Would you have everyone believe that every single person who's ever posted a link here OWNS that link? Please, be realistic, and stop accusing honest contributors of doing harm. Hmmm, I guess this means that I should just delete every new link from now on . . . .SarahTeach 14:32, PST, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Please do not keep undoing other people's edits without discussing them first. This is considered impolite and unproductive. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. -- Rhobite 00:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense. I did "discuss" beforehand. See my clear comments throughout my history. It is YOU who is repeatedly editing MY posts. SarahTeach 17:43, PST, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Essaytoday.com and other ad links

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. While we're glad you wish to help edit creative writing articles, adding a link merely for advertising (Essaytoday.com, among others) is considered linkspam and is not tolerated. Please stop adding these links or your risk being blocked. Best,--Alabamaboy 14:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I suggest that you take the time to READ my edit history before making bogus accusations. FYI, I am the person who has been REMOVING the links to sites that sell essays (essaytoday.com, bestessays.com, custompapers.com, etc)! The only link that I have added is to EssayFraud.org, which is a new site that FIGHTS academic fraud and plagiarism. Don't worry, no need to apologize. --SarahTeach 14:38, PST, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Sarah, I agree with you that essaytoday.com and topwriter.info are spam and should not be linked from Misplaced Pages articles. I will help to keep these links out of articles. Rhobite 23:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I did analyze your edits and I stand by my statement. Yes, you have removed some other spam-like links but you are also working to insert essayfraud.org, which appears to also be linkspam (the site is designed to promote certain essay writing sites). If you notice, I'm also not the only one to raise this issue with you. Anyway, if you continue to insert this link you will be blocked. Otherwise, I wish you the best with your edits.--Alabamaboy 00:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

My bad, the link you keep posting and which I was refering to is http://www.essayfraud.org. I merely posted the wrong link above. That said, http://www.essayfraud.org is the linkspam I was refering to and will not be tolerated. BTW, this link is designed to promote certain essay writing sites and not to fight academic fraud. Thanks.--Alabamaboy 01:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Again, I believe that you--and others on the "bash EssayFraud.org for no valid reason" bandwagon--are incorrect. Please show me the page on EssayFraud.org that promotes ANY particular Web site. --SarahTeach 17:47, PST, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

You are promoting linkspam and several editors have said this. Since there is consensus among us on this, you are advised to stop adding this link. I will not discuss this anymore. You have been warned and if you keep adding this link you will be blocked.--Alabamaboy 01:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I can find nothing useful on essayfraud.org. All I see are a bunch of brats complaining about how they tried to cheat and ended up buying a crappy paper. In my opinion, we need more of these foreign essay sites ripping off lazy kids. Rhobite 01:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Alabamaboy, I didn't think you'd have the guts to back up your bogus claims. You can't prove your false accusations, so you issue threats to BAN me, tuck tail, and basically say, " I don't like you. I don't want to play any more." The only link that I have added is to EssayFraud.org, which is a new site that FIGHTS academic fraud and plagiarism. Be specific. How, EXACTLY, is that linkspam? --SarahTeach 18:34, PST, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I've seen similar lists like this on actual fake essay sites, simply with their own websites removed (always with the warning, don't buy from THESE vendors, because they're dishonest- as if they themselves aren't). This is probably set up to look like a legit one but is really only there to provide a link for a (fraudulent) site claiming to be fraudless and against fraud. In short, linkspam.--AK7 18:55, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, you are correct in that some essay sites have their own little "lists." However, EssayFraud.org sells NOTHING. EssayFraud.org does NOT link to ANY paper mills. EssayFraud.org does NOT promote any particular sites. They have a rock-solid stance AGAINST plagiarism. I suggest that you take a minute to actually read the site's pages closely before passing judgement. FYI, "probably" is not justification to libel and blacklist a site. --SarahTeach 21:19, PST, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Guys,

User Sarah Teach, is in my opinion misinformed. This “profitless “web site www.esssayfraud.org suspiciously looks like very profitable (in my opinion) site http://www.essaytown.com/warning.html which SELLS papers to students.(Really take a minute as Sara suggests and compare, design, style and content of the pages mentioned.) Both of these web sites are being used as the means in competition, nor more nor less. I would encourage Misplaced Pages to keep out from mean competition struggle and not to deal with owners or sympathizers of the web site that promotes plagiarism and at the same time accuses others web sites of doing the same. Jeffrey.

Yes, I was aware that this so-called profitless site was tied in with other essay sites. That's why I refused to allow the site in--it linkspam, pure and simple.--Alabamaboy 14:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't jump to conclusions - it's possible that essaytown.com is just using essayfraud.org's banner in order to appear legitimate. Several essay mills do use essayfraud.org's banner, and there is no other evidence that the sites are related. Do you have any proof, other than the banner, that the sites are operated by the same people? Rhobite 17:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Rhobie, Do you have any proof that these sites are legitimate? Do you have any proof that essaytown or essayfraud are located in the USA?( unless one should take their words for it), can you explain why content and design of their web sites look similar?! Do you have any proof that these are the websites of different companies, rather than one? Do you know that it is possible to open several web sites on the web and thus attract more clients? Where is located essayfraud? Who owns it? Is it possible to contact it by phone? What proof do you have that the complaints submitted on the web site are genuine ones? What guarantee do you have that this web site will not have links to other sites in the future? What proof do you have that the site is not used as the means in competition (that the real aim of the site is to destroy competitors rather than help students)? Jeffrey.

Here on Misplaced Pages we assume good faith - if you want to accuse Essayfraud.org of being associated with essay mills, you bear the burden of proof. I don't think that essayfraud.org is a useful or notable link, but I won't accuse them of being a front for an essay mill until I see proof. A vague similarity between their websites isn't enough proof.

Essayfraud.org is registered privately by 1and1, and is hosted in Utah by a company called Hosting Solutions Inc. Essaytown is registered to Sarah Savis in Burlingame, CA, and their site is hosted by Bizland Inc. in Burlington, MA. Therefore the domain registrations show no proof that these sites are operated by the same person. Both sites are hosted in the U.S. You can verify this data yourself by looking up the WHOIS information on a site such as completewhois.com. Rhobite 19:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Rhobie, As I can see many (or even most) of the web sites blacklisted as "foreign" by Essayfraud.org are hosted in the US as well. The company may be hosted or registered here, but it does not mean I guess that it operates here. I agree with Jeff, the fact that one can not contact this company is very suspicious indeed. Diana, 21:03, 25 January 2006.

You can contact essayfraud.org through their contact form or through the e-mail address listed at their domain registration, proxy43142@1and1-private-registration.com. Rhobite 21:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Rhobie, Yes you can contact them by email, but this is not proof that this is a legitimate company. Moreover, in my opinion this fact (that you can not contact them by phone and do not know their mail address) raises the suspicions that this is a foreign company as well, set by the pattern of the plagiarists it criticizes. Why I can not contact Essayfraud by phone? Maybe because they do not have native English speakers at their office?! Diana.

This is veering away from the original topic. You claimed that essayfraud.org owns essaytown.com. Thus far I haven't seen any actual evidence to support this claim. Please stop claiming that these sites are owned by the same people, unless you have legitimate evidence. Rhobite 05:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Rhobie,

I did not claim, but expressed my opinion. In my opinion, Essaytown owns essayfraud, as these 26(or so) companies listed on the web site of essayfraud, are looking like the main competitors of essaytown.com. So this site as I see it was designed to fight competitors of essaytown. For me these two web site look very similar. Jeffrey.

I've done some searching. "Jeffrey" from Misplaced Pages is apparently the same person as "Chris_2000" at freelancewriting.com. The following link sheds some light on both Jeffrey/Chris_2000 and EssayFraud.org:
http://www.freelancewriting.com/forums/index.php?topic=1435.0
By the way, "Jeffrey," do everyone a favor and SIGN your posts.

--SarahTeach 15:33, PST, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello Sarah, I see you are very passionate about issues of academic integrity and plagiarism in the classroom. I am trying to edit the article on Turnitin to make it as factual and neutral as possible. Please let me know what you think we need to flesh out the Misplaced Pages entries related to plagiarism, and plagiarism detection services. Cutter20 04:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Removing comments

Sarah, it is against the rules to remove other users' comments. Please stop doing that. Also, please do not edit other users' userpages. If you have a message for someone you can leave it on their talk page. Rhobite 05:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I am fairly new to the board, and it was an accident. I edited while doing a search, and I didn't realize that adding a comment would override previous comments. SarahTeach 12:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Could I make a suggestion?

Hi,

I don't want to offend you, so please don't take this the wrong way. But I was glancing through some of your talk page comments and such, and you strike me as pretty combative in your comments. You might have more of a chance of getting people to see your side if you go about it without name-calling or insults. Can I assume that you're a teacher (both because of your username and because you're so obviously concerned about combating plagiarism)? I'm sure that you've learned that dealing with students in a sarcastic and insulting manner doesn't make them inclined to listen to you and learn from you. If you deal with people around here like you'd deal with a student, rather than assuming that they are out to get you, you might get somewhere with them. One of the guidlines for users here is to assume good faith. If you assume that other people are editing in good faith, as most of us are and as we assume that you are, it makes it much easier to have productive discussions that lead to actual improvement of an article. A rule that goes hand-in-hand with "assume good faith" is to be civil. Again, that makes it more likely that people will actually listen to what you have to say rather than being turned off because they're being insulted.

I will reiterate -- I don't want to offend you. I hope that this doesn't sound as though I'm talking down to you, because that is not my intention. I just like it when everyone gets along, and I'm trying to do my part to foster a little less antagonism and a little more cooperation around here. ;) Feel free to reply here or on my talk page if you like. I'd be happy to talk with you further if you're interested. And happy editing!

Hbackman 05:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Guys, Another coincidence…… The name of the owner of ESSAYTOWN.COM is Sarah. According to this forum of 2004(http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16531), where Sarah, or owner of this paper mill posted her comments. So many coincidences?! ( please take your time and analyze the style, content of Sarah’s messages)

Cutter20,

Sarah is very passionate (to say at least about one issue and one issue only) not to destroy plagiarism, but to FIGHT and DESTROY, the competitors of ESSAYTOWN.COM. This is in essence her fight against plagiarism, as ESSAYTOWN, in this I am certain owns ESSAYFRAUD.COM. Should we really transform Wikepedia into arena of fighting between rival essay mills?! Jeffrey.

I have to admit that I thought that too, at first... but Sarah is a relatively popular name. Let's assume good faith? If Sarah agrees to act in accordance with consensus on this issue, maybe we should drop the matter. Hbackman 16:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone, for your comments. I also do not like to see Misplaced Pages turn into an arena of fighting. I think it would be obvious that "link spamming" particular entries on paper mill or other custom writing organizations would be a hint that someone was advocating those particular types of sites. However the topic of plagiarism should be written about in a non-partial and neutral fashion. If anyone has comments that are of this nature please use my talk page. Cutter20 18:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Again, my question is simple: why is little "Jeffrey" such a staunch defender of plagiarism and paper mills? Why does he follow me like a puppydog?

On another note, Jeffrey is correct in that my name (Sarah) is copyrighted, so no other human female could possibly have been named similarly in the last 40 years. I will have to hunt down this other "Sarah" and take legal action if she is younger than me. "Jeffrey," please stop insulting me and making a fool of yourself at the same time. I think most people here can discern that I am a fairly intelligent person. If I ownerd a paper mill, don't you think I'd have the sense to not use the SAME NAME that I used while previously trying to promote my wares? Simpleton . . . . SarahTeach 13:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hbackman, you're 100% correct. I'm not going to stoop to Jeffrey's level any longer. His affiliations are clear to everyone. If he continues to issue false statements about me, I'll try to respond in a more controlled manner. SarahTeach 13:30, PST, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Sarah (owner of essaytown) claimed on this messaging board http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16531 that http://www.a-plus-essays.com "...is my old, original site that I am currently in the process of phasing out..."

Ok I can assume that both essayfraud and essaytown have chosen among several hundred foreign web sites, 250 most notorious ones (the same number and identical companies)

Ok, another coincidence┘. but maybe you have some explanation why among these 250 web sites, 26(or so) companies are particularly targeted both by Sarah's (owner of essaytown) old web site- http://www.a-plus-essays.com/crime.html and Sarah -representative of "profitless" essayfraud?!

Just compare the list of targeted companies of essaytown and esayfraud and make some conclusions.

First, lists of the companies targeted by the owner of essaytown and essayfraud are almost identical. You can see that these 26 companies are written in the BOLD FACE, and yet the list of essayfraud suspiciously includes (with minor exception) all 26 companies, listed in the mentioned warning page.

Secondly, pay closest attention to the fact that masterpapers.com is particularly targeted by essaytown, (why? Because it is the main competitor of this company) yet strangely enough this main competitor of essaytown is particularly targeted by essayfraud as well.

So, among several hundred companies, both companies " independently" chose 250 web sites and than both Essaytown and essauyfraud "independently" chose the same 26 companies among 250 web sites ( accidentally of course).

Yes, another questions why do both organization target identical number of web sites? Why 26 (or in the neighborhood of this number). Why these companies, rather than other? The key lies in the fact that essaytown is a diversified plagiarist company that provides the students with the possibility to download prewritten papers, or option to write and complete various academic projects for them as so on, whereas other companies might provide one service (such as downloading of the papers).

When students are searching Google for some services such as "prewritten papers" (for instance) they might put these two words into the searching box and get the list of many companies that provide this service. Certainly as we know from our own experience we would choose the companies that are in the top of the list.

So, the list of the companies compiled by essayfraud( and which are written in bold face by essaytown) suspiciously looks like, the list of the paper mills- MAIN competitors (companies that are on the top of the list) of essaytown in various segments of the market.

I can assure you that essafraud has recently changed the design of its warning page, once the comments on the fact that design of essayfraud and essaytown looked very similar appeared on the web http://hiramhover.typepad.com/hiramhover/2006/01/a_consumer_watc.html (and this might explain something about Sarah as well).

Yes, some of the web sites, mentioned in essayfraud are either absent or not written in bold face by essaytown. Yet, one should remember that A-PLUS-ESSAYS.com is an old site, whereas essayfraud is several months old and other rival paper mills crop up every day, so in new version of 2005 new paper mills appear(and those that in opinion of essaytown are its main competitors) apparently included in the list of " profitless" site and in so called forum.

Sarah claimed that she would change her name, if she owned another web site. Yes certainly she would.... but apparently another (as I might assume) Sarah-owner of essaytown would have changed the design of her old web site as well, when she was changing the design of her new one.

Why did not she do it? I guess that the answer is more prosaic one, Sarah just forgot, just as she might have forgotten that she had already appeared with this name on several other messaging boards in the past before she placed this "profitless" web site here.

Again I do not claim anything, but do not you think that all this looks very suspicious indeed?!

Jeffrey.