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Article has been tagged as unreferenced for six months. Notability is doubtful, and reliable third-party sources (on the internet at least) few and far between. Taiwantaffy (talk) 02:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

• Delete. There's no sign that this article is going to be improved to meet WP:COMPANY. patsw (talk) 02:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
• Comment - I do not understand the relevance of the fact that the article in question has been left unreferenced for six months to notability. The reason for it being unreferenced for six months can be attributed to a number of possibilities, not just the lack of notability. Addressing that, I am interested in the nominator's methodology. Which search engine and what search terms were used? If "Shuttle Inc." was the search term, as is suggested by the find sources template, I would suggest that "Shuttle" in conjuction with the terms relating to Shuttle's products be used instead. The reason for this is because "Shuttle Inc." is one of those delightful invented-for-Misplaced Pages disambiguations that no one uses. The PC magazines appear to exclusively use "Shuttle", as evidenced by the numerous product reviews that can be found through Google Books, by using the term "Shuttle" and various combinations of terms including but not limited to: case, PC, review, SFF, etc. Also of interest are snippets from: * Popular Mechanics, Jun. 2005, p. 165, answer by a staff writer to a reader submitted question: "...SFF PCs made a splash when Shuttle showed its first one several years ago. They are more widely known among do-it-yourself enthusiasts..."; * p. 311 of Building the Perfect PC, Rober B. Thompson, O'Reilly Media, 2006; * p. 229 of Mike Meyers' A+ Guide to PC Hardware, Michael Meyers, McGraw-Hill Professional, 2003. From these limited examples, I am not convinced that Shuttle is an obscure one-person shop that has a faboi or two pushing an article on Misplaced Pages. But I am not a PC enthusiast, I only know of the company by chance glancing through some PC magazine a while ago. Maybe those who are can make a better case for this company. Rilak (talk) 06:20, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Reliable, third-party references establish notability. The fact that these have been missing for some time despite the article having been tagged is suggestive of (though not proof of) non-notability. You make a good point on the company/article name, and if someone can use a more thorough web search to establish notability, then I'll be happy to see the article remain. Taiwantaffy (talk) 07:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Comment. The remedy to a complaint that an article's content is unreferenced is to find those references, add them to the article, and answer in this AfD that WP:N criteria is satisfied. Noting its potential for becoming a good article after several years of indifference is not an answer to an AfD nomination. patsw (talk) 17:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keep I vote delete on everything. I demand everything have sources demonstrate notability. This is one case where I know something is wrong. Shuttle has been almost synonymous with SFF PC in last decade. So I say keep, somebody do homework. Miami33139 (talk) 07:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Question What supports your expectation that homework will be done? As it stands, this anonymously created article in 2006 hasn't been improved in any way to meet WP:N by any of its editors in years. What is incorrect in the above nomination? patsw (talk) 17:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I understand your apprehension as the current state of this article meets my own deletion criteria and there is nothing wrong with your nomination. I normally insist that even proven notable subject matters incorporate proof into their article before I change AfD opinion to keep. This is 1% opportunity where I ignore my own and wikipedia criteria.

Sources, and awards, can be easily gained from these two resources, which link to their third-party coverage. http://us.shuttle.com/In_News.aspx http://us.shuttle.com/Awards.aspx There are plenty here and this is US only and this is last year only. Miami33139 (talk) 17:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. Per Miami33139, this business would appear to me to have sufficient technical and cultural importance to qualify. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Question Can you quote something from the article that supports your statement? In my reading the article lacks such statements and, additionally, such statements would need independent sourcing. patsw (talk) 17:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Shuttle + SFF yields more than 1000 Google News Archive hits, and just leafing through them I can see that this business has been recognized for technical innovation for boards for small format PCs. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 01:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

See WP:GOOGLETEST for an explanation of why 1000 Google hits does not mean that a topic is included merely by that fact alone. The potential for recognition is insufficient. The actual recognition, as you put it, has to be in the article itself, not merely asserted in the AfD, for the article to be included in Misplaced Pages, and that means added in now during this AfD. patsw (talk) 02:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions.
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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