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This page is affected by the Gdańsk (Danzig) Vote. The following rules apply in the case of disputes: For Gdańsk, use the name Danzig between 1308 and 1945 For Gdańsk, use the name Gdańsk before 1308 and after 1945 In biographies of clearly German persons, the name should be used in the form Danzig (Gdańsk) and later Danzig exclusively In biographies of clearly Polish persons, the name should be used in the form Gdańsk (Danzig) and later Gdańsk exclusively. For Gdansk and other locations that share a history between Germany and Poland, the first reference of one name in an article should also include a reference to other names, e.g. Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland) or Gdańsk (Danzig). An English language reference that primarily uses this name should be provided on the talk page if a dispute arises. Reverts to conform with community consensus are excluded from the three-revert rule (3RR). Only the place names can be reverted exempt from the 3RR according to the outcome of this vote, additional changes fall again under the 3RR. Please use descriptive edit summaries. Persistent reverts against community consensus despite multiple warnings may be dealt with according to the rules in Misplaced Pages:Dealing with vandalism. In case of doubt, assume good faith and do not bite newcomers. The detailed vote results and the vote itself can be found on Talk:Gdansk/Vote. This vote has ended; please do not vote anymore. Comments and discussions can be added to Talk:Gdansk/Vote/discussion anytime. This template {{Gdansk-Vote-Notice}} can be added on the talk page of affected articles if necessary.

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The title "Jewish community of Danzig" is clearly in violation of the Gdansk/Danzig vote. I noted that Herkus artificially restricted the article scope for the period 1308 to 1945 - in which case Danzig would apply - but there's no reason what so ever why this should be the extent of the article. I've expanded the information on both pre 1308 community and post 1945 community. Hence the article very clearly belongs under "Jewish community of Gdańsk"; this should NOT be a controversial move and in fact the very purpose of the Gdansk/Vote is to quickly settle such disputes without move warring. So I'm moving it back to Jewish community of Gdańsk as there appears to be no reason (and none has been given) for making an exception to the vote in this case.radek (talk) 17:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I've moved the article back and I am going to restore changes to make it Gdansk/Danzig vote compliant. Please do not move the article again without providing a really really really good reason for why an exception should be made in this case. Repeated violations of the Gdansk/Danzig vote are a sanction-able offense.radek (talk) 17:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

The scope of the article was supposed to be the history of the pre-war community as desribed by the Jewish Museum (New York) in its exhibition "Danzig 1939: treasures of a destroyed community" . The article ended with WWII because the traditional community ceased to exist due to the emigration of 1939/40 and the Holocaust. Their history was described and I think it's justified to create an article about that period instead of an "artificial" expansion with the purpose to bypass the extinction of a complete culture.HerkusMonte (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

The article is about the Jewish community in the city. There's no reason to restrict it artificially to only those periods of history during which the Gdansk/Danzig vote implies the naming "Danzig". The article already had information on the community well before the interwar period. There's no reason why the entire history of the community, as well as it's present day status cannot be described in this article - it's not like it's too long or something - especially since that kind of information is well within the scope of the article's title.radek (talk) 20:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I came here because someone had been moving around islands and provinces. I thought moving Province of Saxony to Saxony Province was about the stupidest thing possible, but then I saw this! I would be rolling on the floor laughing if only the subject was not this serious. While there could be some arguments for German community of Gdańsk, this must be about as clear cut in favor for Danzig as any affected by the Gdansk/Danzig vote. You have not provided a single source that the community predates 1308, nor that any "community" – apart from the 22 Christianized individuals – exited past 1945. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 09:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Right. That's why you came here. Why do I feel like I'm being stalked and why is it happening now? You haven't read the Gdansk/Danzig vote and you haven't really read the article, which is still in midst of an expansion.radek (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

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