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FACs and all that

Do you think the answer to a question here it true I don't know - I just don't seem to be able to keep up with it all these days! Nobody ever used to bother to look at peer review - I certainly never have. Giano | talk 09:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Funny you should ask, I was just thinking of writing something on the FAC talkpage about the recent rash of "Object, didn't go through Peer Review yet", as if PR was suddenly obligatory before FAC. That's an interesting pseudo-statistic you link to; no, I don't think it's true at all, it's just stated with great confidence and chimes in with the new orthodoxy, and therefore people will believe it. "Very very few", eh? I suppose I'll have to compile some real statistics (groan) to refute that. Bishonen | talk 11:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC).

While y'all are at it, could you stop those *ssholes from swearing (and swearing at) every nomination that inline citations are required? That's insane. If they are, I won't go through FAC anymore. I hate inline citations -- both reading them and writing them. They make a page impossible to edit, as the whole thing gets infinitely fragile. Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia anyone can edit -- unless it's an FAC, and then all the notes go kerflewy the moment you try. Geogre 11:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• I'm getting very confused too there. I know I've said it before, but I think this one really will be the last, all those bloody silly little numbers took longer to organize than the page did to write. One almost has to produce a scanned birth certificate before writing "He was born ". None of my FAs have ever been to peer review - so I suppose thay are all headed for FARC sooner or later as that will be the "required rule" for those never PRd or inlined Giano | talk 12:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

1. British Registry Office. Volume 3467A Page 759403221. Line 364973.

Geogre, when you say "inline citations," do you mean footnotes? I'm assuming you do because they're the ones that make pages fragile (and I agree with you for that reason: I can't stand them either). But they're not required at all. WP:CITE is the relevant guideline, and it says footnotes, Harvard referencing, or embedded links are fine (and in fact embedded links are preferred), so long as they're accompanied by a full citation in the Notes section if footnotes are used, or in the References section if Harvard references or embedded links are used. And you don't have to use any of the strange references templates either, which can also cause problems if citations are later added or removed. SlimVirgin 12:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

SlimVirgin, take a look at FAC just now. You will see every objector there, pretty much, saying, "Does not have inline citations, which are a requirement of all FA's." There was a camp, a few months ago, that began this absurd campaign. They liked little fragile numbers. We academic types were fighting them, tooth and nail. However, in one of those lovely little gaps, all of us seemed to turn our heads at the same minute, and now, it appears, "inline citations are a requirement of all Featured Articles." Given that Tony1 had a predilection for rewriting the FA guidelines without talking to anyone about it, I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the language and are now taking the "huh? no, it's always been that way" line. People who fight nationalist battles on a global encycloopedia, people who fight about categories with no articles in them, people who fight for boxes that must be everywhere, and people who fight over this MoS vs. that, always, always moving toward fewer choices and never toward more, always moving toward being Right and having the Truth, are an annoyance to me even more than they are a mystery to me. I have neither the patience nor the good will left to play with them. Geogre 13:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:WIAFA was edited about, oh, eighteen months ago to say that references were desirable where appropriate. Over time, this was hardened to make them mandatory (no bad thing, I guess).

Similarly, about a year ago, a requirement was added to say that inline references were desirable (something like "enhanced with the use of inline ctations, where appropriate"). Again, over time, this has hardened to make inline references mandatory for pretty much any statement in a FAC (there is an explicit recognition somewhere - WP:CITE? - that any format is acceptable, although I have to say I am in the process of being converted by the <ref> thing).

I have raised the evolution point more than once on the relevant talk pages - yes, if you are contradicting widely-held knowledge, it makes sense to attribute your statement; but "the sky is blue (ref:look up)" is just daft, to me. And I think all those little numbers make the blasted encyclopedia harder to read, which is surely the most important thing. Look at Saffron, which is pretty much the epitome of citing anything that moves - 75 footnotes on a crocus! I still think it is a nice article, mind). -- ALoan (Talk) 14:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the new <ref> thing is pretty robust: I've just tried it out on Nobel Prize and it was far easier than the old {{ref}} thing. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with ALoan, the new "ref" is robust and is much easier to use than the one you've got, Giano — I fully expect Bunchofgrapes to weigh in and say the same at any moment, he introduced those notes at Erik Beckjord and seemed to suppose, in a moment of mad optimism, than even User:Beckjord, who can't format a ==heading== would be able to use them — well, anyway, they're easy for most people. Guys, just take a look at Nobel Prize and Erik Beckjord in edit mode, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. But, now then, Ge-Ogre! I can't believe you're asking other people — me! — to stop the *ssholes. Do please weigh in on talk FAC, at "References — the new witch hunt". You know you can grab that hammer and have the opposition on the run with your thunder ten times over while I compose the first sentence of my upcoming masterpiece "Peer Review requirement — the new new witch hunt?". Bishonen, grabbing the peashooter, 14:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC).

Oh, uh, I see I have to weigh in. I am afraid I am one of those uncouth supporters of footnoting our articles liberally if they have more than one reference. This isn't a normal encyclopedia, where there's some reason to trust that the author isn't just making stuff up. Having as direct a beeline as possible from asserted-fact to place-the-fact-is-from is important for the integrity of the encyclopedia. I have nothing against Harvard referencing, either, but I think footnotes make for slightly less distraction. Embedded links, like Slim prefers, I don't like - mostly because you can't make an embedded link to, oh, say, a book. If you want to cite some books and some web sites, then, you have to start mixing citation styles in the article, which is awful... I used to use embedded links as I was working on "rough drafts", then convert them to footnotes all at once, but that was before <ref> made it just as easy to make it a footnote to begin with. I find the <ref> style quite easy to work with, but I acknowledge it does nothing help sway those who dislike footnotes for stylistic reasons. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• Well I completely agree with Geogre, it's now almost impossible to write a decent length article, that reads. Logic and common sense seems to have gone out of the window, and been replaced by increasing rules, regulations and bureaucracy, which is barely understood by the fools who invented it. Pop singers and football players younger than 30 who have never achieved an intelligent thought or action in their unlived lives become FA biographies, because their limited and few achievements are recorded on easy to read and link to web-sites, which cover up the lack of proper references. What happens when the websites disappear. God only knows. The whole FAC thing is going to pot, led mostly by people who have never written one. And as for refer to peer review don't tempt me! Giano | talk 14:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Shrug - I asked for peer review of Iron Cross and got lots of constructive comments. Perhaps the WP:FAC regulars, like you, Giano, do not need it, but many people slave over the apple of their eye for weeks and end up with something that will never passs FAC, however good they think it is. Other people (such as, Emsworth, say, or Worldtraveller) produce work that punches all the buttons and scarecly hits the sides (as it were) on the way to WP:FA. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

ALoan, I think what Giano and I are objecting to is certainly not citation, nor Peer Review, but "This is a requirement. You must use this style. You must go to PR." The point is not whether inline citations are inherently bad or not (I don't like them: as John Barrymore said, reading a footnote is like running downstairs to answer the doorbell on the first night of marriage) (I believe notes are good as notes, when there is an emendation or annotation to make that carries verbiage), but that there are now people who vote and lodge objections over "You Must Do As We Say," when what they say is altogether not supported by citation elsewhere or previous practice nor guaranteed to produce useful help. I love getting help on my articles, but I've also seen the most useless stuff in "objections" before, and things like "cite the fact that she was a good musician in the lead" is just plain silly (concert musicians kind of have to be good musicians). Geogre 15:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I almost replied to that facile objection with exactly that response: she was a concert violinist for years, people paid good money to see her; given that she could presumably play moderately well, perhaps she had some musical talent (or perhaps, given she was a girl, it was just lots of hard work).

• well the twit is back again seems to want her deleted as non-notable now - I despair - someone go and tell him - I shall only be too rude as usual. Giano | talk 16:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh - I was politely rude before I read this. I still think a period of WP:PR would help, if only because I hope Filiocht may come back and burnish its brilliance. (Where is our new Arbitrator? He has been away for weeks. I hope he is OK. Has anyone been checking the obituaries?) -- ALoan (Talk) 17:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, as an antidote to all the recent arty types, I have been having fun turning Virgo Stellar Stream into a gem of a tiny science article - with copious footnotes :) Other than the published scientific articles, and newspapers that parroted the press release, this is probably the only article on the topic. WP:FAC, anyone? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• Well! it don't look like Filiocht is going to stroll backinto the manner duzzit? So you kids had better get used to looking at me as the natural successor to the Ezra Pound legend - and you won't find me az nice an tolerant as him so get wize, get real and letz have some action in this place - now I'm juz off to Pelham Bay to hire some help, an if I waz you ALoan I'd forget PR unless it stands for Pro-Rudge. Now letz hav some action here! Giano | talk 22:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• • Pisano! See you at the social club. We can then go to the gentlemen's club to discuss that thing and whether we got enough, you know, bullets and stuff for that thing. (Actual mob wiretap intercept. A guy was being coy by referring to "that thing," and the other guy said that, no, that thing wasn't taken care of, because he hadn't gotten bullets for it yet.) Geogre 03:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Yep all of that, the rest are gonna learn some respect. And another thing from now the peotry round here is gonna rhyme, no more is this Filiocht fancy meaningless stuff, more proper peotry is needed for those kids over on FAC - "roses are blue, violets are red" kinda stuff - givem what they want - fully referenced. Just direct all peotry questions to my page. User: Giano (the bottle's open)

All the <ref> things are abominations, even the new ones, for a whole host of reasons, primarily that the reader is distracted from the text by being expected to look down, and also because once everything's cited, you daren't make any changes! Bish, you're just wrong, sorry. ;-) Geogre, if you quote, it's better to cite, but it can be a Harvard reference, which isn't intrusive (Smith 2005), then add a full citation to the References section. BoG, I don't agree that it's a bad thing to mix styles. I agree that mixing the two main systems (Harvard ref and footnotes) would be odd, but mixing Harvard (for offline stuff) with embedded links (for online) is fine, in my view. Geogre, Giano, we may have to go forth and fight them on the beaches. ;-) SlimVirgin 10:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• Fear not little virgin I am working on a cunning plan! Giano | talk 10:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• Jolly good. Little virgin knows she's in safe hands then. ;-D SlimVirgin 10:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

DreamGuy

Hello, thank you for reviewing the dispute between me and DreamGuy. I have attempted to collect relevant information at this page: User:Elonka/DreamGuy dispute. If you have any advice on the best way to proceed with dispute resolution, I am very interested in your advice, thanks. Elonka 15:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm very glad to hear it. I've posted it on your page. Bishonen | talk 15:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC).

Bishonen, in reply to your messages on my talk page, I would like to explain why I have concerns about whether or not you can remain unbiased in this matter. Please assume good faith on my part. I am not trying to attack you personally -- I am trying to explain why you may not be looking at the situation objectively.

To my knowledge, your first awareness of my dispute with DreamGuy was when you saw DreamGuy's appeal to admin Android79 for help, in which DreamGuy gave a highly emotional, biased, and inaccurate view of the situation, referring to Petros' efforts in negative terms, and to me as "an emotional editor" who was "upset" and seeking "revenge".

In my opinion, a party seeking to act in a neutral manner would have then posted on *both* our pages, in diplomatic language that did not immediately assume fault on either side. A neutral party should seek to get both sides of the situation before taking action. Instead, you posted a sympathetic message on DreamGuy's page, and posted a threat of block on mine.

Your first action was to go to DreamGuy's page and tell him that you would be "happy to tell both of them that any continuing posting amounts to harassment". (I especially note the word "happy"). You also said to him, "she's not free to harass you about it, nor to badmouth you elsewhere". Again, this was a comment that implied that you had taken DreamGuy's claims at face value that I was "bad mouthing" him, without yourself first reviewing the facts of the matter.

What really struck me though, is that you made a point of mentioning how "Everyking was recently blocked for harassing" you, in your comment to DreamGuy. I know little about the situation with Everyking, but I believe the situation, your comment, and your actions all make a good case that you were projecting your own feelings onto DreamGuy's situation.

You also went to Petros and told him that he was to "butt out". You advised him to delete the page that he had made, and said you would "gladly delete it" for him. This too seemed odd to me. You also defended DreamGuy at the Wikiquette alerts page , and then went back to DreamGuy's page to tell him that even though you weren't reviewing the situation, you stood ready to block either Petros or me . Again, I see this as completely taking DreamGuy's side, without having bothered to review the facts of the matter.

Please please do not assume that I am implying that you are a bad person. I have reviewed some of your other communications, and I see that you are capable of dealing with people in a civil and courteous manner, and that you work very very hard to reverse the damage that is caused to Misplaced Pages by a steady stream of vandals. I applaud these skills. I also know that it can be a thankless job being an admin (I manage other online communities, myself). And I know the dangers of burnout -- that when dealing with a constant flood of sockpuppets and others of poor social skills on Misplaced Pages, sometimes it becomes easy to see any user as having the same suspicious motivations as the other problem-causers.

In this particular dispute between DreamGuy and myself though, I think that you have mis-judged my actions. You did not seem to consider that I might genuinely be acting in good faith. As I tried to tell DreamGuy, I'm one of the good guys. For you to immediately threaten me with a block was excessive, especially considering that you had not yet reviewed the details.

It is my hope that you review your own actions in this matter, to ensure that you are doing your best to gather facts first, to review all parties fairly, and not to jump to conclusions. Just because some of the users on Misplaced Pages are problem cases, doesn't mean that all of them are. Thank you. Elonka 00:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Please don't speak condescendingly to me, Elonka. Your notions that I'm "projecting my own feelings" or suffering from "burnout" aren't just inappropriate, they're inappropriately intimate — it's as if you believe yourself to have the privilege of a friend, or to be a psychiatrist analysing a patient. (Amateurishly, I might add.) You speak as if to a child. Yes, my first awareness of your dispute was when I saw DG's post on Android's page. I didn't know DG, I didn't know you: of course my first action wasn't to "jump to conclusions" and go to DG's page to post a sympathetic message. My first action was to review the situation, by studying the relevant pages and their histories, before posting to both of you according to my conclusions. You may well be a "good guy" for all I know. I have little interest in your motives, and I recommend you to adopt the same attitude to mine, or at least to avoid commenting on them. (Please see WP:NPA: "Comment on content, not on the contributor".) I look only at your actions and how they affect others, because that's what matters to the community and the encyclopedia. This is what I've seen so far: your series of posts on DG's page are harassing and your discussion of my psyche is presumptuous. Even your compliments are offensive, though I'm sure they're well meant. Making all possible allowances for your good intentions, I hope you won't allow yourself such a tone to me again. Bishonen | talk 01:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC).

Red to Blue

I was looking up info on my latest and tripped over an Edward Alexander Pilgrim, victim of bureacracy. The man's house had been bought by the council (UK), and he didn't know it, and they just started building a Unity house on "his" property. He sadly stared at it until one day in 1954 he hung himself in the shed on the land in dispute. Sounds like the origin of Arthur Dent, Tuttle in Brazil, and a number of others. This is a Macmillain/Labour Govt disaster of the 50s and a big stink, apparently. We have no article (hint to the Brits). Geogre 20:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Which council? What is a Unity house? -- ALoan (Talk) 21:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I knew it when I read it. I don't know it now. What's interesting is that there is no mention of him on the web that I can find (esp. since "pilgrim" pulls up every other thing than him, and "pilgrim council housing" comes up with council houses on Pilgrim Way, and "Edward Pilgrim" gets Edward Doty, Pilgrim on the Mayflower). I'll look, if you want. It did seem interesting, but I hadn't the time to take notes. Geogre 21:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I wondered if Unity House was this one in Stoke-on-Trent? But it was built in 1973, so presumably not... -- ALoan (Talk) 21:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I gathered, from the reference, that it was a type of building. However, the DNB said that he mournfully stood by as the Unity house got higher and higher until it blotted out the sun and you needed an electric light even on sunny days. In other words, it appears that it was a skyscraper apartment building, and the suicide/incident was '54, but that doesn't mean the thing was finished then. Still, it must have been finished some time around 60, at the latest, so I doubt it's that particular one. Tomorrow, I'll jot down the very skeleton of the story. Geogre 22:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Bishonen should change the name of her talk page to Something Awfully Long and call it a forum, or at least a salon (provided we were artistes and/or meaningful). Geogre 14:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I second your motion, though I would prefer to call this place a Salon. Perhaps something fancy like Salon des Intellectuels de Madame Bishonen? It has a nice ring to it and I certainly learn something everytime I visit. On second thought, should that be Mademoiselle Bishonen? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 20:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, latest de novo is Edward Pilgrim, for those interested in martyrs to the local council and Harold Macmillan. Geogre 15:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I reearched Hannah Snell, only to find that we already have an article on her. Well, those notes can go in the garbage, now, as our present article is at least as good as the one I'd write. (She's an interesting figure for all of that.) Geogre 15:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

(BTW, I had a moment, so I counted. I've 193 de novo articles. That gives me a reason to get just 7 more to celebrate 200.) (Unsigned, but you can guess.)

Thanks from Lulu

Storm clouds ...	and silver linings	Thank you for your support on my RfA.
		Unfortunately, it failed to reach consensus. Nonetheless, it proved an opportunity to establish contacts and cooperation with many supportive editors, which will be beneficial to editing Misplaced Pages in the future. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters (t @)

Are you still participating in Beckjord arbitration?

I and the others that made original statements were informed of arbitration now opened in regards to Beckjord...Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Beckjord, evidence here, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Beckjord/Evidence and the workshop here: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Beckjord/Workshop. Thought I would just pass this on, as I noticed you hadn't been notified, but if you're no longer interested, then that's fine of course.--MONGO 11:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I am almost in your camp on this, as I find that it may be hard or impossible to block his contributions to the talk pages anyway since he seems to be using AOL at least some of the time. Perhaps the best thing to do is ignore him and he'll probably go away after awhile...but I'll go through the motions in the arb case just for practice as I have never been involved in one before...kind of a sour reason I guess. I'm not that bothered by the guy, and a part of me really feels sad for him as he may indeed have some mental problems. Just wanted to ensure you knew it had been opened in case you wanted to chime in...any problem if I use some of the diffs you posted in the original complaint?--MONGO 00:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll send that off to Android79 or one of the others to allow them to post it as I think I banged the drum pretty hard already and don't want to use up more than my share of diff's. I think Beckjord does have mental problems and while that indeed makes me feel very sad, we can't allow that to compromise article integrity of course.--MONGO 12:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

More information

You requested more information on the sock check matter, which I've found by now: Please see: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Multiple Accounts / Admin Abuse 2. I'm letting you know since you seemed to grasp exactly why I was bothered by the incident. --Scandum 13:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I checked the link you provided, and as far as I can see Jayjg still looks to be in violation with the guidelines regarding the the check user tool. There seems to be a whole lot more enthusiasm when it comes blocking legitimate sock puppets than dealing with admins who abuse their powers. --Scandum 17:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Deus Caritas Est

Moved ALoan's comment down from one of the ancient sections up where nobody reads anything anymore.

Well, the encyclical is released and I have added it to WP:ITN (since it is in virtually all other news source) - I suppose I might as well have added a sign saying "vandals this way". Mushroom seems to think "caritas" does not mean love, despite the Church translating it that way. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I added a stub the other day on the Swedish theologian Anders Nygren, to make that link blue, but didn't really expand it into a real article, half expecting somebody to nominate it for deletion as a "nn professor" or "bishopcruft" or something like that. After all, he is a relatively contemporary person who didn't get payed to play baseball and never released any charted pop albums. Anyway, there seems to be no explicit reference to Nygren in the encyclical. Is that because he is one of them Lutheran heretics, or do these things never explicitly reference contemporary or recent authors? Descartes seems to be the most recent one. Tupsharru 17:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Pass. He does mention Mother Teresa of Calcutta as one of his example saints in para.40, with a quote from her in para.36, and more recent church documents. No explicit mention of Dante in para.39 either, despite the allusion "Love is the light - and in the end, the only light - that can always illuminate a world grown dim..." -- ALoan (Talk) 18:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Quite... quite... Bishonen | talk 21:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC).

I have only just realised that the Pope called Mother Teresa a saint, alongside Francis of Assisi, no less (well, and half a dozen others). But she hasn't been canonised... -- ALoan (Talk) 22:06, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I think that she has been beatified but not canonized, so she's "the blessed Theresea" to be precise. Perhaps this is a sign of Benedict's intentions. I can't believe he's being sloppy. I sympathize, though. Anything with "pope" in it on the main page is straight out "bug me to death, please, and vandalize freely: we especially want to know your feelings about religion." Geogre 01:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Page move straw poll

Moving a couple of comments down here for visibility Bishonen should change the name of her talk page to Something Awfully Long and call it a forum, or at least a salon (provided we were artistes and/or meaningful). Geogre 14:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I second your motion, though I would prefer to call this place a Salon. Perhaps something fancy like Salon des Intellectuels de Madame Bishonen? It has a nice ring to it and I certainly learn something everytime I visit. On second thought, should that be Mademoiselle Bishonen? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 20:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

"Madame la Courtisane Bishonen" will be fine, thanks. Please all intellectuals add their own suggestions below, and vote to support or oppose others. Geogre's and Ganymead's proposed page moves are noted. I support 'em both. (Our method is approval voting.) My own suggestion is... ta da!

Les Précieuses ridicules

Bishonen | talk 22:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC).

How about "that odd gal who has the funny name and seems to be awfully clever"? Sam Korn 22:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

. Not the person! The page! --Bishonen | talk 22:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC).

Since bluestockings and red hat society are taken, I suggest we be the Velour Track Suit Salon. Geogre 01:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Methinks Velour Track Suits seem awfully plebeian for our distinguished group of ivory towers. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 02:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Of course with a name like that we could serve Deep fried Twinkies. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 02:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but we need to think of the merchandizing opportunities. The Red Hatters, in particular, have milked their non-salon for millions of dollars. A few ladies of a certain age play bridge, one of them puts on a hat, and the next thing you know the virtual experience is being sold with hats, scarves, books, and jackets. Geogre 12:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for voting!

Hello there! I wanted to thank you for taking the time to vote on my arbitration commitee nomination. Although it was not successful, I appreciate the time you spent to read my statement and questions and for then voting, either positively or negativly. Again, thank you! Páll 22:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean die rose oliphant? Because thats what it would be in German. Republican91 22:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Sigh...

Just when I thought some sort of breakthrough had occurred, he goes and does stuff like this. android79 22:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible for a complainant on an accepted case to propose an injunction? android79 23:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's done, after a lengthy delay. (Who or what is "Mr K", by the way?) android79 18:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I should have said "Joseph K.", I didn't remember it right, and now I don't like to again ask the person who adapted the images from User:Denelson83's set so neatly for me. Joseph K. is the mystified hero of Kafka's The Trial. Hey, if you should happen to have photoshopping skills, feel free...! :-) Your Beckjord evidence looks great. Bishonen | talk 18:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC).

I've got mad MS Paint skillz, but that's probably not what you were looking for... android79 19:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I Photoshop (I Robot, too, but that's another matter), but I'd change it to "Gregor Samsa" so that my comment, below, makes sense. I didn't like The Trial as much. Geogre 11:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Please unblock Fighter For Freedom

He is a person I met at the VFW hospital, and I dont think his conduct should be blocked, he was only exersising his freedom of speech. Just because you dont agree with him doesnt mean you can silence him. Additionally, his sister is mentally retarded, I know that because I met her. FFF has diabetes. Republican91 22:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I've replied on WP:ANI. Please don't post on this page again, it will be removed. Bishonen | talk 23:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC).

Kräftskiva

User:Dcastor has uploaded a couple of colourful pictures to WikiCommons to be used whenever someone feels like writing the article Kräftskiva (or perhaps Swedish crayfish party, to be in accordance with WP:UE). Tupsharru 07:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Rejoice in the blueness of the link. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Input on what to do about the no-doubt subversive Finnish crayfish party or Rapujuhlat would be welcome on Talk:Kräftskiva.

Info on my ANI post

Hi, thanks for taking a look at this problem. The comment you mentioned on his page was only left by the administrator MONGO after I made this latest complaint.

Here are the IPs I know of that he has used. These are the ones that started following my edits, starting in September (the second one is mostly a list of articles I had been editing). You will see the same pattern of articles that match my own by dates. I stopped editing between sometime in late October and early January, so I don't know what other IPs he might have used in the meantime.

The other connection running through the IPs is a focus on Chinese-related articles, specifically negative edits pertaining to the Falun Gong on pages like The Epoch Times.

Now, September is when he first became a problem. Initially it was just a matter of his personal attacks and POV pushing, some of which I noticed and reverted. Because I didn't satisfactorily discuss a particular article with him, I was blocked by User:Rama. I made a post on ANI about this, which mostly focuses on Rama's actions. I don't have the diff (it was in September) but it's archived.

Meanwhile, the anon IPs started to follow my edits (and sometimes others') and harass and insult various users. Here are just a few examples. Phrases like, "fuck off and die", "retarded", "Americocrap", etc. One that I recall (but can't find ATM) is, "I piss on your bloody Americrap flag." As you mentioned, one of the IPs was warned several times for this, and blocked. He evaded the block by using another IP, and never discussed or apologized for the remarks. Rama chose to ignore the whole situation once my block was over (and artificially extended), and after a few more weeks I stopped editing because I did not have time to mess with it.

A little later, User:PatCheng was created, and first edits on November 1 with talk messages to Rama's page and another user complaining about me.

Hello, TJive has repeatedly deleting off sections of articles he don't agree with without consensus. . Several months ago he has been warned by Rama, and he's back doing it again

So the account is started to post talk comments which reference my dispute with him specifically, and is only used a few more times during the remainder of the year, reverting the Human rights in Cuba and Fidel Castro articles, and trolling a talk page. January sees the beginning of renewed activity for "PatCheng", when I started editing again. Both PatCheng and this anon start moving "No Gun Ri incident" to "No Gun Ri massacre". His only comments in talk (as seen elsewhere) are to disparage me. This message, by the way, is a tacit admission that he is the anon (not that he has denied it), who also tried to delete a message on that talk page pertaining to him. For my first January ANI report, see this diff but also this archive. The page warns that longer messages get ignored, which this was. Unfortunately, shorter messages mean "I need more evidence". So, happily, I have obliged.

It has gotten to the point now where, for a few weeks, I have been forced to revert several articles daily just for my edits to stay on the site at all. This has led several times to other users complaining to me that I am engaging in an inappropriate edit war and my having to explain every single time that something else is going on.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this. --TJive 02:21, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

RE: Thanks

No problem, always happy to help ;-) SWD316 06:20, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Angry...

I tried to contribute positively but it seems you wouldn't give me the chance. Just so you know I started 2 articles before the block and now I am trying to add an image. One more block and I will return to the dark side. 70.245.146.22

Anger leads to the dark side, et cetera, but please link those articles here. This way, myself and others would be afforded a chance to read them, know what they are titled as, what they are made out of, and so on. Thank you in advance! El_C 06:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Sagaram's edits at Kerala

Hi, Bishonen. I need an admin's help to deal w/ repeated unexplained deletion of referenced material by a Sagaram (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (deletion 1, deletion 2, deletion 3, deletion 4). I've left messages asking him to either explain why (through edit summaries, the talk page, or whatever) (s)he's removing the material (, ). The user refuses to explain these deletions. Do you have suggestions? Thanks. Saravask 06:54, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for wasting your time — I put a note at WP:AIAV, and the user was blocked. I'll use that in the future. Thanks. Saravask 07:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Ask any time, but I'm on CET — I was asleep! Glad it worked out. Bishonen | talk 13:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC).

This morning's crossword

I am one clue from winning £100 in this morning's newspaper crossword - so please help me:

Incapable of being found our or discovered (15) "U?A?C?R?A???B?E" My children will have to come out of school if I don't win this. Giano | talk 11:33, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Unascertainable? Bishonen | talk 12:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC).

You are Colley Cibber, and you want your £10! (10% finisher's fee.) Geogre 13:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh you are clever - I'll go and post it now, on my way to the pub. Ths children can all come off the internet, reading thesaurus and dictionary and gou outside a play football. Are you sure it's a word though? Oh I love you! Giano | talk 13:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC) (5% - I think, I had done the other 57 clues on my own!)

• Well it's in the post. How shall we spend the money? I do hope we win, I wonder how long it takes. I can't imagine any one else will have all the answers - some were very tricky indeed - far trickier than you would have been able to answer on your own - I mean would you have got "to care for and preserve" - maintain? No I thought not, but my 15 year old did - chip off the old block that one, sharp witted, he wants a pack of Dunhill, double chip. Oh just think of it next week I shall have my name in the Sunday papers! Giano | talk 21:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy...

I finally got the image on the article I wanted it to be on, plus now I have a total of 20 edits, I could almost see my administrator status on my user page pretty soon... :-)

Shao Nian Huang Fei Hong looking good there. I'll just pretend I never noticed your username in my history, and I hope you make bureaucrat.:-) Bishonen | talk 17:54, 29 January 2006 (UTC).

Before the Law

Hey, hope you're not waking from unsettled dreams and that the only apple you have to worry about is the one you use to post on the Internet. (Taking a break from grading some of the most depressing essays ever. I started with the day release apprentices.) Geogre 19:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

The Bathos warrior has an account now, and he's back trying to say that bathos is the same thing as undercutting, litotes, and humor. (sigh) See his recent edit summary for a truly spectacular case of circular reasoning. Geogre 14:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

1. Monan = 194. Geogre 16:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
2. James Worsdale = 195. Geogre 16:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
3. Elizabeth Montagu = 196. There it ends for today. Geogre 18:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I predict 200 by the close of business on Friday, but Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball, and I'm no medium. (In fact, I'm not well done, either, but more raw.) Geogre 03:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

1. Giles Jacob = 197
2. Elinor James = 198
3. Giles Mompesson = 199!

I need to think of something useful to be #200. Geogre 19:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Pronoun apology

Hiya, while gathering the RfC/RfAr info, I noticed that I was using the incorrect pronoun to refer to you. I have gone through and changed the "he" and "him" pronouns on my talk page to your correct gender. Please accept my apology on this -- it was not my intent to misrepresent you. If I missed any locations, please let me know and I will fix them ASAP. Elonka 19:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Help

I paste my request for admin on the Misplaced Pages: Requests for adminship page, but they keep voting against me and some even tried to block me help!!!!! Could you vote for me? :-|

I hope you're kidding. Stop pasting it in there or all your IP's will be belong to us.

Color me confused

Bishounen (talk · contribs)... sockpuppet? Doppelgänger? j00 bin hax0rd? android79 20:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that, Android! I've blocked Bishounen indefinitely as an impostor/too similar. I guess the confusing part came because I had already created the Bishounen userpages, long time ago, and redirected them to mine (in case somebody was looking for me and misspelled). The account may have been created without any bad intentions, though if so the redirects must have made them sense something wasn't right. Now to keep an eye out for the autoblocker and unblock if Bishounen tries to edit under another name. Bishonen | talk 21:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC).

No problemo. I almost blocked the account myself, but wanted to make sure it wasn't yours. Psst... help needed at Bigfoot... android79 21:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Anon creating archive pages

Hello,

An anon IP is creating archive pages for you, see ]. Is this you, non-logged in?. I was confused, the anon was blanking instead, someone already blocked and reverted. -- Curps 23:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Twice in 24 hours, too. Actually, the last one was doing a Willy impersonation. Geogre 23:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. Blanking my archives...? And that was all that IP did, apparently. I don't see any moves, Geogre, where are they? Maybe I need to stop the admin thing anyway. Most admin actions are synonymous with pissing off vandals and, uh, problem users, and I don't have the skills to make sense of those weird retaliations. Sigh. :-( Bishonen | talk 23:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC).

No, I meant Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons, although the other Willy is possibly what he meant, too. He blanked your user page and wrote, "No one plays with Willie." I assumed that was a Simpsons quote. Maybe, instead, it was the confession of a personal problem. Geogre 03:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that. Yeah, my userpages are vandalized all the time, y'know . It was the archive thing that bothered me, especially the speed with which it was done — a bot? Mebbe I should semiprotect my userpage again, I don't want to wear out the nice people who watch and revert (love you, guys). Geogre, did you happen to notice this, and these? Hope you don't begrudge your tulip. :-) Bishonen | talk 03:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC).

Oh. Well, the tulip is kind of my highest award, but once an award is given, it belongs to the recipient. I think Beckfnord got the Tulip of Sarcasm or Bathos. Geogre 12:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem

I am just glad someone has pledged to look at the situation without the predetermination that I am merely "edit warring", much less blocking me for it. --TJive 00:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Swedish Question

Is Wästerbottensost the same thing as Västerbotten cheese? I have made that assumption in my research and wanted to verify. Thanks. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

(Tearing up) You made a cheese stub for Västerbottenost! Marry me! Yes, anything like that is the same cheese. Your Wästerbottensost actually gets only 31 Swedish Google hits, Västerbottensost 702, and — ta da! — Västerbottenost gets 240,000 hits. Google hits aren't everything, but. The W- spelling is an "olden" affectation, better not use it at all. Westerbottensost, incidentally, gets 693 hits, purely from being a protected (=stupid Ye Olde) brand name. Avoid it like the plague. Bishonen | talk 04:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC).

We aims to please. I wasn't tempted to mention the W spelling, but my book reference spelt it that way, so I wanted to make sure... though I was pretty confident after I got it through my distinctively monoglot skull that ost was "cheese". Västerbottensost-with-the-extra 'S' I got stuck on because that's where sv.wikipedia.org had the article. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Delightful, not to mention delicious, but, er, you might want to click on the link at the "Royal inauguration of the Cheese House in Burträsk" (which sounds suspiciously promotional anyway — there's a "Cheese House" in Burträsk? (Total population ≈ 8, and two dogs.)). Bishonen | talk 05:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC).

Fixed the link; I'm sure it is suspiciously promotional, but it may have to do for now, as English-language sources of information on Västerbottensost are scarce, even though one advertising brochure assured my that this emperor of cheeses was Sweden's most famous cheese internationally. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Main Page promotional banner too discreet?

Giano, the little banner running across the top of this page is very tasteful and don't think I don't appreciate it, but do you really think anybody will notice? Bishonen | talk 09:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC).

I am selling them, at very reasonable cost - Yours is gratis of course, but I am confident 99% of all editors will have on by the 3rd Feb. Giano | talk 09:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I've had one of my brainwaves,I won't sell the banner, but we will give them away to everyone who posts on this page. Just think of the various people who could all delight at seeing it on their page. Giano | talk 12:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I rather liked mine. It's better to have a peacock than a dick on one's page. Geogre 12:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• Geogre - you seem to have a preocupation with "members" (as the Jesuits called them at school). Is there something you would like to share with us? Giano | talk 12:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, Ok, but I'll need the first three rows to stand back. Geogre 13:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• Oh halitosis, I was on the wrong track completely! Giano | talk 13:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Having at first misread the above, I find that Giano has inadvertently provided me with a wonderful new exclamation: Oh halitosis! Paul August ☎ 14:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, how about my old more Sicilian-type system with the Sic Bar banner: add it all over the place and offer to remove it for a small remuneration? Bishonen | talk 12:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC).

• No, I'm sure you'll find the "please take one" approach will be a huge success. People won't be able to resist. Giano | talk 12:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, lordy, that's horrendous. Can I have one? android79 14:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Heh heh. Did you pick one up yet? Android, I assure you, even if he were to go for "horrendous", Giano can never stop himself from being a man of taste. You'll see how beautiful the Peacock Banner is if you check out these. Bishonen | talk 14:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC).

Ah, the blink tag. Permission requested to stab out my eyes. android79 14:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• Oh halitosis! Well Bish, I see (how could I not, since Giano kindly plastered ... er presented me with his lovely banner this morning — have to admit it was quite an eye-opener) that you're the proud owner of another, soon-to-be-on-the-main-page, jewel. Not having frequented FAC for a while now, I'm afraid I missed its candidacy discussion. While it is truly magnificent otherwise, I couldn't help but notice that you are using those "ugly up arrow thingies". I'm afraid had I participated in the FAC, I would have been forced to Object on those grounds. P.S. Giano: The Jebbies (Jesuits to the uniformed) usage, gives the word "remember" an interesting connotation. Paul August ☎ 14:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Don't worry, Paul, the FAC discussion was sometime in Late Neolithic — August, I think. If it was on FAC now, I'm sure yours is far from the only objection it would generate. Incredible as it may sound in our enlightened age, it "didn't go through Peer Review yet"! Bishonen | talk 15:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC).

I must be out of the mainstream. It's astonishingly obvious, the things being debated and debated and debated on wp:ani. I mean, it's not even partially murky, and yet the glyph of silence is over the whole thing. I wrote 3 articles, and no one put categories on them, despite my leaving them off on purpose. No one even patted my head! Then I tried to tell that Elonka lady to calm down and that that's about all that's needed, and no one noticed -- might as well have passed gas in a hurricane. <sigh> Oh, I'm sure I'm just leaving them all in stunned silence. That must be it. Folks just need a way to save face. They can't admit that they were as wrong as the notorious airman who flew to Ireland from New York when he was trying to get to San Fransisco. Pride. I'm sure that's it. Why don't people think? Is it that painful? Hurts me, too, but I figure it's worth the pain. Geogre 21:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I misunderstood. Check again. See e-mail. Meanwhile, I'm still virtually the only voice crying in the wilderness, except for SlimVirgin, while some truly savory characters respond with amazing logic like, "Tough toenails, loser!" Geogre 03:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

	Watch for Peacocks and extravagance Theatrical spectacular - Bishonen's own story Tremble at the crocodiles! See the flying cupids! Marvel as Venus ascends into the heavens! February 3rd 2006
	Coming shortly - Read if you dare Restoration spectacular on the main page!

Have you all had a banner yet, I seem to have some left over Giano | talk 22:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I did my part, are you still looking for takers? Will there be a half-price sale after today? KillerChihuahua 17:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser on Hollow Wilerding

The IP doesn't show a link, but checking the /24 (64.231.128.0/24) shows a pile of edits from Hollow Wilerding, as well as apparently uninvolved editors. So I'd call it "quite possible" given the edit pattern appears to match.

(The IP block is 64.231.128.0 - 64.231.151.255, owned by Bell Nexxia, which is part of Sympatico, which is part of Bell Canada.) - David Gerard 15:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Letter from Palermo

Dearest Bishonen,

Life's becoming very dull indeed around here. On behalf of us all I have been denobbling Dukes for most of the day. and dealing with those who are afraid I am personally spearheading a revolution of subterfuge to rid the world of the British upper class - heaven forbid!. Including ALoan who is behaving rather strangely at the moment, I do hope he is alright, keeps agreeing a page has no content but apparently the subject's wife was rather big in robes - negligees presumably. That nice Bunch of Grapes popped in from Idaho (he dives a horse drawn buggy you know and has lots of wives - which must be difficult for him) anyhow he came over to plead for one of your banners. Well, he was too shy to ask outright but I knew what he wanted - so I gave him one. Unfortunately he made a rather insensitive comment on my page implying the non notable members of the peerage may be rather stupid - of course I'm speechless. I've tried to help poor Geogre too today - between ourselves I think he has a problem. Hardly surprising he's in ....er Georgia, and the Caucasus must be so cold at this time of year - he must realise it's just a side effect of the cold. And then just to crown it (pardon the noble pun) all poor Olgababy has disappeared from the FAC page - well as you know I'm not one to bear a grudge - especially when people have such problems already, one hardly likes to add to them. I'm sure ALoan will be better soon, least said soonest mended that's my motto. I'm about to start a new series on lesser known members of the Sicilian peerage can't let the Brits have it all their own way do you know poor old Xavier Stefano Jesus Maria Purgatorium - Marizini, 9th Duke of Chiaramonte does not have one single google mention - well we can soon fix that - c'mon all hands to the deck we have a peerage to write here. I see Proteus has just started on my tail on the Duke's lets see if we can complete the Sicilian peerage before he thinks of suitable names for them all.

Much love Giano | talk 19:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Theo's awake again

Have a look at his recent edit history, if I can bother you to. Maybe it's just blind rage speaking, but I'm feeling like it may be RfArb time. I'd value your opinion on that. And now to sleep. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

ZOMG, look at that. The RFC has improved his attitude, hasn't it? RFAR now, go, go! But mind that blood pressure. Blocked for 24 hours, incidentally. I'm utterly uninvolved with the articles and all content issues, and will continue to block for this kind of conduct if necessary. Bishonen | talk 12:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC).

I'm sure you've seen the RfArb by now; as always, I'm sure a comment from the very-respectable-Bishonen would lend it immediate weight. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:32, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

You're the best. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Best schmest — you couldn't be referring to the notorious Bishonen who makes up stuff as she goes along, could you? Riiight, that'll weigh it down. Bishonen | talk 22:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC).

Yes, yes, that same Bishonen HW assures us "pulls policies out her ass". It's a measure of the rampant corruption and cronyism around here that you are allowed to edit at all. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL, I'd forgotten that one. Good old Hollow Wilerding, no politeness, pseudo or otherwise, about her. Bishonen | talk 23:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC).

theo's block

Did you noticed that you shortened Theo's indefinite block by User:BorgQueen (although I personally think only the ArbCom should impose indefinite blocks)? —Ruud 12:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Ruud, you make a great point. There is far too much cowboy attitude going on. Blocking usernames indefinitely is sanctioned for everyone, but people have gotten so used to that that they've begun slapping indefinite blocks indiscriminately, and BorgQueen is way too new to be doing that. (I'm over-exposed, so this is not to be understood as an opinion that I will back up anywhere. I'm so nauseated by the debates I'm already in that I haven't enough Dramamine for another.) Geogre 14:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm so nauseated by the debates I'm already in that I haven't enough Dramamine for another. You too, eh? android79 14:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Ruud, no, I didn't see that. I searched the log, but apparently I didn't do it the right way. It would be helpful if blocking admins put a note on the person's talkpage like they're supposed to. :-( Bishonen | talk 15:39, 1 February 2006 (UTC).

Thank you for your notice, Bishonen. I have lifted the block, and you are welcome to impose a new finite block that is more appropriate for this situation (but 24 hour block wouldn't have much point in my opinion, since the user in question has had even a 48 hour block before and it obviously didn't have any corrective effect). I will leave it to you. Regards, --BorgQueen 16:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Bait

Hey, anyone want to fix my sloppiness? I have three new articles today: Giles Jacob, Elinor James, and Giles Mompesson. The Elinor James and Giles Mompesson articles are interesting stories. Giles Jacob isn't really interesting to anyone except maybe Bishonen, on a good day, with a tail wind, when the sun is shining, with bluebirds on Jacob's head. There were three more from Monday, too. Anyway, I'm not going to mess with any "Did you know" stuff, but the Mompesson has lots of "did you know" material, James a bit. Geogre 19:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• I'm afraid Bishonen is engaged at present, but would you like me to insert some commas or anything? "Tony 1", I am sure says privately my grammar is remarkable. BTW did you know that Edward Heath lived at Mompesson House in Salisbury Cathedral Close, what is the connection do you think? Nice to speak to you Geogre, how's it all doing, any advice needed just email nothing to be ashamed of, all perfectly normal! (I hope) Giano | talk 19:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Styles clarification

Hi, your comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Clarification_of_styles. Thanks Arniep 23:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Way ahead of you, but thanks! Bishonen | talk 23:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC).

That RFA

I don't intend to provide the diffs. I don't think it would be fair. People can either try and find them themselves of have the admin. they deserve. To be frank that such a person can even have his name there, makes me wonder further what are we all doing here. Thanks for the tip off well spotted - such is my disillusionment with the Admin process I seldom go there. Giano | talk 08:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

You sound quite evil. What's wrong with R.D.H.? If that's what you mean by "That RfA". I'm trying to find out what's going on here! No one's talking to me! Spawn Man 01:02, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Are you talking to me? (This is my page.) Are you talking to Giano? Whichever it is, have you heard of the No personal attacks policy? You shouldn't say things like "evil" on Misplaced Pages, especially about people you don't know. We're not evil for saying what we think. What's wrong with R.D.H. in my opinion is that he's uncivil. Have you seen this rant he posted? Do you think admins ought to talk like that? R.D.H. is a good contributor in some ways, but I don't think he has the right temperament, or judgment, to be suitable as an admin. I also don't like it that he has never been even remotely civil to me before today, but now that he's up for adminship, and has seen from Giano's page that I've spotted it (so that he can guess I may oppose him for his rudeness that I've seen so much of), he's suddenly all over me with fine compliments, and all over Giano, too. Look at User talk:Giano and you'll see these compliments. At the same time R.D.H. is insulting Giano on other pages. That to me is not a sincere person. Giano writes "That RfA" in the headline because he's replying to my post here. Giano and I use these mysterious headlines because we don't want to mention R.D.H. in nasty ways and embarrass him all over the place. (I don't dislike him at all, I just don't think he'd make a very good admin.) Bishonen | talk 01:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

Showing me what R.D.H. has written has changed my mind significantly. Thanks for showing it to me for I now know what's going on & I agree with him totally! His comments are well put & show no real personal attacks. As for the ranting, it sounded more like an annoyed exclamation to me... I said you sounded evil from the way you seemed to talk (Giano I mean) in a secret code with the "That RfA". R.D.H. isn't one to grease up to someone just because he's on RfA, which he doesn't really care if he gets in or not. You & Giano & everyone else who's names I can't remember are all blowing everything out of preportion. Let it go & lets be civil. Forget the past, whatever it may be, but I'm suspecting it boiled up about the Tony1 RfA. Thanks, Bye, Spawn Man 02:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Forget the past? OK, lets make away with WP:RFA, then, since RFAs are 100% about the past. What an editor has done in the past is the only thing anybody has to go on when voting suport or oppose. Yes, when voting support, too! You're not making sense. Goodbye. Bishonen | talk 02:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

Me no comprehénde bullsí shìöté. Ke? Fine, continue as you were with your abusive ways. I just have two words for you: Mashkara Fruntói. Bye, heh..... Spawn Man 03:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hellooooooo! I'm Back!!! :-)

Hello Bishonen I'm back and ready to try out for administrator, except some people try to block me whenever I try, plus could you vote for me next time? Much Love, Giano

Except your name's User:Dynamic. Well? How can you be Giano & Dynamic at the same time? Strange... Spawn Man 01:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me who it was, Spawn Man. Dynamic likes to make stupid jokes, that's all. I've always tried to be friendly to him, I'm disappointed that he'd try a dumb stunt like pretending he was Giano. Bishonen | talk 01:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

About this "gay porno" link editor on featured article

Thank you for trying to stop him; however his edit led me to getting a virus and having to restart my computer. I want his IP address hard-banned and all user accounts indefinitely blocked. NicAgent 02:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for Sprotecting the featured article

However, I think doing a total block from editing is in order - that vandal may be clever enough to get around a semi-protected page.

I'm sorry, I have no way of knowing the IP, because of Misplaced Pages privacy rules. If you're an IRCer, please go to #wikipedia on Freenode and talk to the people there, tell them you need an urgent CheckUser check. I have placed your warning on WP:ANI, I hope it gets a quick response. (Look at the bottom of the page). As for protecting, even semiprotection is against policy when it's the Main Page article, I won't do full protection. The WP:ANI community may do it if the vandal turns out to have access to accounts older than four days (that's the only way of getting round semi), but I seriously doubt it's that kind of attack. Thanks very much for your help. Bishonen | talk 02:32, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

Wow, Raul is fast. All fixed, semiprotection removed, see WP:ANI, and thanks again for your alert. Bishonen | talk 02:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

Worst. Edit summary. Ever. (And while I'm stopping by, I'd like to thank you for leaving the six real live monkeys alone while improving my banner.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Your summary may have given the Misplaced Pages is Communism vandal an idea, I reckon. Ah, yes, your banner... just a minute. Bishonen | talk 03:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

• I don't think its very nice to play arownd with banners that you have very kindly been given as a gift. Don't worry I'm not very hurt, I know when I'm not wanted...sniff...Giano | talk 13:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC) (yes it is the real me)

• (Reproachfully.] G'como! I would never play around with my banner that I treasure so much! I played around with Bunchofgrapes' banner. Who could possibly object to that? Bishonen | talk 13:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

• That's OK then. I knew you'd want to keep it up there......always! (contented sigh) Giano | talk 13:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• OMG. I mean, yes, of course. I only hope somebody doesn't come along and steal it when the FA changes. Bishonen | talk 13:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

• Don't you worry about that, I've hundreds left over to replace it the second anyone steels one - so you just relax and enjoy. A lasting memento of your happy day for ever. I knew you'd be pleased Giano | talk 14:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Oh what a relief. Bishonen | talk 14:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

You can't have gotten any sleep. What a mess. I suppose this is another reason to stop with the FA's. Sheesh. I just got lots of "booger" vandalism the last time one of mine was on the main page. You're getting a full-fledged GNAA attack. All things are part of the wearisome past, as my buddies on the island of the the Lotos say. Geogre 12:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm very proud of my GNAA attack! Try not to be so jealous. I hope you're right about the virus, though. If people's computers get infected, it's well beyond funny. Bishonen | talk 13:02, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

Facts of life

This is for you all to peruse while I'm out this afternoon - I think it's fascinating Giano | talk 14:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

1. In the 1400's a law was set forth that a man was not allowed to beat his wife with a stick no thicker than his thumb. Hence we have "the rule of thumb"

Not a law, but common law, and thus, not set forth. Swatjester 15:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

1. The first couple to be shown in bed together on prime time TV were Fred and Wilma Flintstone.
2. Every day more money is printed for Monopoly than the US Treasury.
3. Coca-Cola was originally green.
4. It is impossible to lick your elbow.
5. The State with the highest percentage of people who walk to work: Alaska
6. The percentage of Africa that is wilderness: 28%
7. The percentage of North America that is wilderness: 38%
8. he cost of raising a medium-size dog to the age of eleven: $6,400
9. The average number of people airborne over the US any given hour: 61,000
10. Intelligent people have more zinc and copper in their hair.
11. The first novel ever written on a typewriter: Tom Sawyer.
12. The San Francisco Cable cars are the only mobile National Monuments.
13. Each king in a deck of playing cards represents a great king from history:

Spades - King David

Hearts - Charlemagne

Clubs -Alexander, the Great

Diamonds - Julius Caesar

1. If a statue in the park of a person on a horse has both front legs in the air, the person died in battle. If the horse has one front leg in the air the person died as a result of wounds received in battle. If the horse has all four legs on the ground, the person died of natural causes.

this is untrue. See snopes.com Swatjester 15:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

1. Only two people signed the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, John Hancock and Charles Thomson. Most of the rest signed on August 2, but the last signature wasn't added until 5 years later.
2. ·Q. Half of all Americans live within 50 miles of what? A. Their birthplace
3. Q. Most boat owners name their boats. What is the most popular boat name requested? A. Obsession
4. Q. If you were to spell out numbers, how far would you have to go until you would find the letter "A"? A. One thousand
5. Q. What do bulletproof vests, fire escapes, windshield wipers, and laser printers all have in common? A. All invented by women.

also, debatable. Swatjester 15:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

1. Q. What is the only food that doesn't spoil? A. Honey

plenty of other food does not spoil. Swatjester 15:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

1. Q. Which day are there more collect calls than any other day of the year? A. Father's Day
2. In Shakespeare's time, mattresses were secured on bed frames by ropes. When you pulled on the ropes the mattress tightened, making the bed firmer to sleep on. Hence the phrase......... "goodnight, sleep tight."
3. It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that for a month after the wedding, the bride's father would supply his son-in-law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called the honey month .which we know today as the honeymoon.
4. In English pubs, ale is ordered by pints and quarts... So in old England, when customers got unruly, the bartender would yell at them "Mind your pints and quarts, and settle down." It's where we get the phrase "mind your P's and Q's"
5. Many years ago in England, pub frequenters had a whistle baked into the rim, or handle, of their ceramic cups. When they needed a refill, they used the whistle to get some service. "Wet your whistle" is the phrase inspired by this practice.

FINALLY - At least 75% of people who read this will try to lick their elbow.

help wanted

Can I get you to help me with a mediation I'm conducting at Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming? I stepped in with an outside view and was immediately personally attacked. I need some administrator firepower watching my back while I do this. Also, since I'm planning on becoming an administrator once I have more experience on wikipedia, having one watch my first mediation attempt would be helpful knowledge for me. Swatjester 15:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

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