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		The Purple Star
		In recognition of the insults and other damage you received. As I think we all know by now, there is occasionally a price to be paid for acting with integrity. Thank you for having done so, despite the difficulties involved. John Carter 17:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

There are now evidently some results available regarding a related matter here. Thought you might like to know. Oh, yes, and on a completely unrelated matter, I have this seemingly random list of pages I would welcome your perhaps looking over, if you are so inclined. Joses, James the Just, John the Baptist, Pauline Christianity, Nazarene (sect), James Tabor, Robert Eisenman, Herod the Great, Essenes, Gospel of the Ebionites, Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera, Clopas, Mandaeism, Historicity of Jesus. There's no real rush on any of those, of course. Thanks again for all your efforts. John Carter 17:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the star! I will take a look at these when I return, but for now I'm taking a break. Ovadyah 18:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

New ebionite group

An interesting neo-ebionite group has come on the scene at ebionim.org. --Ovadyah (talk) 22:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Mediation

I've opened a mediation page here. Jayjg 23:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you plan to take part? Or would you prefer to have the mediation happen without you, and abide by whatever is agreed to there? Jayjg 01:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm recusing myself from futher involvement in the article. Thanks for asking. Ovadyah (talk) 02:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Ovadyah, it really would be easier for all concerned (yourself included) if we got your input earlier, rather than later, in the DR process. I know we've had our content differences, surely now is the best time to sort them out? BTW thanks for the John Painter review, it was well received at James the Just. --Michael C. Price 07:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Michael, I appreciate the gesture, but I don't want to have anything more to do with the article. You pointed out yourself that this goes a lot deeper than a content dispute. It's more like a jihad. I don't want to be drawn into some kind of religious war with John Carter. Cheers. Ovadyah (talk) 12:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Good to see your contributions. Those are some excellent sources. Thanks. --Michael C. Price 18:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. If I find other relevant quotations I will add them as time permits. Ovadyah (talk) 20:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion of moving forward with JTB in the mediation. I've never been clear exactly how/why we differ on this issue. Do you think it would be useful to lay out our respective positions here (or at mediation)? Or just see how it goes? I think there is adequate sourcing for the view that the Ebionites had some commonality of practise and doctrine with the Essenes and were originally followers of JTB before following Jesus and later James. And that's leaving aside the Dead Sea Scrolls (and the Leader of Righteous, which I have no opinion on). --Michael C. Price 20:27, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I think we should create a new JTB section on Talk:Ebionites, copy over the disputed material, and take it from there. I can't remember just what the dispute was anymore, but I think it involves laying out the individual sources, and quotes from them, to make sure we are not conflating sources that say different things. There may be a secondary issue of reliable sources. We are fortunate to have Jayjg as a mediator, so I would like to keep the mediation open if he is willing to do so. Ovadyah (talk) 20:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Back to your own old tricks, heh?

At this point, I should know that you are at best dubiously capabale of honesty. However, the material which was deleted is clearly indicated on the talk page as violation WP:V Your going back to your own old tricks of dishonesty and deceit is no surprise either. However, as per the talk page, until and unless the material deleted meets policy guidelines, it will remain deleted. Any attempt to restore material which fails policy can and will be reported to other administrators for their direct action. And, yes, your attempts to delete information from your page which casts you in a negative, but accurate, light, does not remove them from the record, in the event action needs to be taken regarding your lack of regard for policy and guidelines. John Carter (talk) 22:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Stay off my talk page. Last warning. Ovadyah (talk) 22:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) And, by the way, your restoring information which fails policy is itself very clearly vandalism. Consider this a warning to cease and desist such unacceptable restoration of content which fails policy guidelines unless you want this matter to be reviewed by administrators and potentially face the very real possibility of further disciplinary measures to be taken against you. And, in light of your own failure to abide by policy on a page about which you clearly have a conflit of interests, consider this your own last warning. John Carter (talk) 22:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

John, using James Tabor as a source is clearly not "vandalism", according to Misplaced Pages's definition of vandalism. In fact, given the fact that Tabor is the chair of the religious studies department at a respected university, and the work in question, The Jesus Dynasty, was published by a respected publishing house, it's not even clear that the material fails WP:V. Now, you might argue that it fails WP:UNDUE and WP:REDFLAG, but these are hardly obvious matters, and your "last warning" here is inappropriate. So too are your statements that Ovadyah is "dubiously capabale of honesty" and "going back to your own old tricks of dishonesty and deceit"; these are serious violations of WP:CIVIL. Please work out what are clearly rather subtle issues of WP:V in good faith on the article's Talk: page. Jayjg 05:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)