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Invitation to edit

Hi Martin. Thank you for asking the question about hiding messages from logged in editors here. I don't understand the lingo though. Does it look like it is doable, provided someone volunteers to write the script? I just noticed you're boating! How wonderful. Anthony (talk) 05:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC) Updated 15:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Anythony. Yes it is doable and I am currently trying to persuade User:Alex Smotrov to write the code for this feature. Boating was great. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Quick question 2

Hey Martin, you're knowledgeable about this sort of thing so I'll as you. What's the mediawiki page that controls the protection durations in the drop-down list? Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:32, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. MediaWiki:Protect-expiry-options looks like the one you're after. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I trust you enjoyed your time on your narrowboat? Thanks for the answer. If you have a few minutes, there are quite a few pending {{editprotected}} requests that are beyond my capabilities. Best, Whisky drinker | HJ's sock (Mistake? let me know) 17:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, very enjoyable as always! Okay, I'll take a look shortly :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Pirates

I hate asking this(because of the whole "I'm not a user" type thing), but could you put Jack Sparrow in Template:Pirates under Fictional Pirates? Because Jack has been in three, and soon-to-be, four films, so Jack HAS to be in the list. And I'm not able to put his name in the list(for I am not a user), but you are. So, if you can do this for me, I will be very grateful. :) 75.89.207.133 (talk) 22:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done, although you are clearly are a "user" albeit an anonymous one. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:21, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Michael W Higgins page

Dear MSGJ,

Is there any way to lock the Michael W Higgins page?

Someone keeps changing the fact that the lockout at St. Thomas University (during Higgins' presidency) was unprecedented. I have provided numerous credible references and explanations (several times) as to why the lockout was unprecedented. Yet someone keeps changing it. This is revisionist history. The lockout was unprecedented because never before had a university locked out the faculty union before they had taken a strike vote. The situation at Bishop's University (which the person keeps citing) is different - one bargaining unit (the staff) of the faculty union was already on strike (and had taken a strike vote). At St. Thomas, there had been no strike vote and no one on strike. This is the truth and a fact. Someone won't accept this, despite the references I have provided and explanations.

Thank you for your consideration, Sonja Rosca —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonja B Rosca (talk • contribs) 00:25, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

If this "unprecedented" lockout is such a big deal, just make a separate article for it. Higgins is not even president of STU anymore, so get a new hobby and leave him alone. Do you know how foolish it sounds that one person single-handedly patrolled the grounds and went around the school with a bucket of new locks for the doors while flipping off the poor hard working professors? This man is a professor too, and a far superior one than many as evidenced by his accomplishments. This is pure jealousy, and borderline libel. He happened to be president of a tiny university during a 5-week labor dispute three years ago. Get over it. Leave the discussion on the Discussion page of the article, and if facts are in dispute - for the integrity of the Wiki - leave them out.

MSGJ, your attention is appreciated. Thank you. Markhenick (talk) 01:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

This is quite petty. You both need to stop edit warring and start discussing this. Talk:Michael W. Higgins is looking quite bare considering the controversy that this article seems to produce. Sonja: if you are trying to change the article and are getting reverted then the onus is on you to make the case for the change on the talk page, not to keep reinserting your changes. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Martin, for your response. I shall make the case on the talk page, as you suggest. I did this in the footnotes and edit explanations, but I see now that this was not the correct place. Thanks for your correction. I shall also, in the next week or so, suggest a compromise which I hope will be greeted openly and respectfully and end the edit war. I would appreciate your continued attention to this issue. Regards, Sonja. Sonja B Rosca (talk) 00:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Your rewrite of the dated prod template

Before you touched the template, wikilinks included within the prod concern (such as WP:OR to indicate original research) were transmitted into the prod warning issued to the author. This is no longer the case. Can you look into that? -- Blanchardb -- timed 20:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh I see what you mean. Checking now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I wondered what that bit of code was for and now I know. All fixed. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

My Defcon code

Thank you for your assistance in shortening the code with my defcon template. I would ask though that next time you stop by my talkpage and ask. It's just so I know what is going on. Although I know you probably wouldn't cause problems on purpose, if you make a simple mistake, I would have to read through your changes to find the error. Thank you again for you help and understanding. -- /DeltaQuad|Notify Me\ 18:21, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I thought my edit summaries were clear enough to explain what I did. If you're saying I need permission to edit your userpages then I suppose that is a reasonable request if somewhat WP:OWNy, especially as my edit did not change the output of the template in any way. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, your summaries were clear enough to explain, and yes I am being a bit owny. I am not trying to be a pain, but this is was the second one in a short time where my userspace was randomly edited. Again, I like the edits, and I think I understand them, so it's not a huge deal, just something I like to have editors do, as I would do for them. Thanks, -- /DeltaQuad|Notify Me\ 20:09, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Ygm

Are you saying that redirects aren't templates?! Honestly the idiot who protected that redirect in the first place should hang their head in shame... ;-) Well caught... TFOWR 10:22, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Heh, redirects in template space are templates and redirects aren't they? You're confusing me now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait - are you saying that I'm not an idiot? You're confusing me, too! Probably best if I slink away and pretend this never happened... ;-) First time I've had a template become useful enough to move into Template-space - that's my excuse, anyway...!

Seriously though, the "ygm" redirect is probably overkill, anyway. I removed references to it from the /doc, and I'd be happy if "YGM" was the only shortcut. Any objections (as you're the only other editor to the "ygm" redirect") if I delete it? Can I delete it, with you having edited it? TFOWR 10:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I have no problem with you deleting that redirect! Generally I would agree with you that the lowercase would be useful to keep but I understand the problem with the removal instructions. BTW the reason I lowered the protection on both of these is that it not seem to be warranted. We don't generally protect templates (or redirects) unless they are highly used, not just in case they become highly used. And I couldn't see any reason for the move protection to be greater than the edit protection - someone might have a better idea for the name, just as they might have a good idea for the actual coding. Hope this makes sense. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:17, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

No, that all makes perfect sense - thanks! I think, having given it some thought while my internet connection decided to act up, that I'll leave "ygm" in place, at least for a while, to see if it gets any use. I'll leave the rest as-is, to avoid overloading the removal instructions (I kind of feel that the removal instructions are pretty obvious - folk shouldn't be too confused between upper- and lower-case variants). TFOWR 11:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Interesting, as my internet was also playing up. Wonder if we use the same ISP or if it was a national glitch. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Hutchison 3G, in my case - and it's the "3G" aspect that's the problem: up and down like a yo-yo... I should be back to proper broadband next week, and, frankly, it can't happen soon enough... TFOWR 11:51, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

File:Juan Manuel Santos 59 Presidente de Colombia.jpg

Trout. You forgot to add the source and license on this one ;) —fetch·comms 16:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I've always wondered whether this is really necessary. The {{c-uploaded}} template says "For file history and other information, please see the Commons image description." which is only one click away. This cited comment just seems to be the opinion of one person. Thoughts? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Sock puppet returned

I think that Special:Contributions/90.199.49.37 is a returned sock puppet. Where would I go to report this? PvsKllKsVp (talk) 00:12, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found it in Twinkle. I found your name because you had dealt with an earlier issue. I see now that was 2 years ago. PvsKllKsVp (talk) 00:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I have no memory of this user. But it seems this the contributions of this IP are not disruptive so you could just let it go? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:00, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

edit links on template documentation

Hi, Martin. I was trying to edit {{Db-a7}}'s documentation, but there were no edit/purge links. Digging a bit, I noticed that it is on {{Db doc}}, which passes the "content" parameter to {{documentation}}, which in turn makes it not produce the edit links, apparently per this edit to its /core. I was wondering whether the "docpage" parameter could be used to provide a different link, if that's the problem. The complexity starts to overwhelm me around here (I don't have enough time to dwell into the template right now). Do you have any insights? --Waldir 08:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Hehe, yeah a bit complicated. It makes complete sense for the links not to show if 'content is passed because, as far as {{doc}} is concerned, there is no doc page. However we could think about whether passing the first unnamed parameter and the content parameter should force the links to appear, because currently the 1= is ignored if content is used. (This might be something to bring up at the template talk page.) We also have the link box which is quite useful and you'll see a this is used on {{db doc}} to link to itself. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately that didn't seem to work. The link box should do the job, but it's not where we expect it to be, so it probably doesn't live up to its potential (case in point: this). By the way, do you know how we could tweak {{nn-warn}} so that it displays correctly on {{db-a7}}? --Waldir 10:27, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Template move

You put in a request to move Template:Requested move/testcases to Hello. Is this intended? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

It's a test =\ Don't carry it out... –xeno 15:27, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Indeed it was a test (hence the name of the page ;)) I've now added a demo parameter to stop it categorising. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Slovakia

Hi Martin, nice picture of the Angel there on your user page. The reason why I'm writing to you is because I see you have a bit of experience with project banners. I was wondering if you could add the category, template, file, project, disambig classes (and any others I may have missed!) to the Template:WikiProject Slovakia banner as I have no idea how to format this type of stuff. I'd really appreciate your help mate. Greetings – Jared Preston (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done. There are some prompts on the template to create the additional categories. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:03, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Done and dusted! Thank you very, very much for your lightning-fast reaction and reply. I spent the afternoon creating the categories and doing some other stuff. Could it be said that the categories and templates already listed under Category:NA-Class Slovakia articles need to be refreshed manually somehow to recategorise them? I thought they would be done automatically after an hour or two, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Cheers! Jared Preston (talk) 20:06, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

As long as they are not explicitly marked as |class=NA they should automatically move over in time. However it could take a week or two depending on the length of the job queue. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah OK, the job queue is at around 50,000 at the moment so we can be patient for the next few days. Slovakia-related articles have been on my to-do list for a while now, but there are so many other things I have planned I sometimes just don't know where to start. I can't even imagine how hard it is being a sysop, but you're doing a great job! Thanks for all your help; if there's anything I can do for you in return then please let me know on my talk page! Jared Preston (talk) 20:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Well thanks for the compliment, but I don't think it's hard work really. The people who write articles have a much harder job! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Prod Template

You've broken the essential Dumbot prod listing. Please revert it until you can fix it properly. This is so important for admins like myself who patrol there, that I shall revert the changes myself tomorrow until you can get them fixed properly DGG ( talk ) 11:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I've replied at Template talk:Proposed deletion. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Archive navigation

Hey there MSGJ, Template:Archive navigation seems to no longer work correctly when used on a /Archive 1 as {{Archive navigation|1}}; it displays like so: Misplaced Pages:Bot requests/Archive 1. This seems to have started since you changed the template in July. Unfortunately, I know very little about the syntax used on that template (I can just about get my head around the <noinclude> tags ). Thoughts?
Kindest regards, Spitfire 15:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this. I think I've now fixed it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, seems to be working fine now. Thanks a lot! Spitfire 02:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Editor review template

Do you still need this? Or can I have it deleted? It is annoyingly showing up as part of the backlog. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 16:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

What about this? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 16:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I've deleted the testcases. What's wrong with keeping the sandbox template? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, ok thanks. Just wondering about the sandbox. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 23:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:PEND at Thomas Cranmer

• Thomas Cranmer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

This article was semiprotected for a while, but in June you put it under pending changes. Every week or two weeks, an IP will come along and decide that Cranmer is not a martyr, and a regular editor will change it back. This results in quite a few changes that need to be manually reverted. Background for the dispute can be seen at this 3RR case from last April. What would you think of my switching back to semiprotection? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome to restore the semi-protection if you feel it is warranted; I have no particular knowledge of this article. However I would note that the inappropriate edits are rather sparse and so probably manageable. Also that not all anonymous edits have been unconstructive. So PC-protection would seem to be working reasonably well. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Gillian Duffy

Hello, I can't see the discussion on the now-deleted talk page, but it looks like there is no objection to a redirect of Gillian Duffy to United Kingdom general election, 2010#April where she is prominently mentioned (and which contains the information one would likely be looking for if you searched for her here). There is a current DrV on her, and there seems to be no objection to such a redirect. Further, per WP:BLP1E this should clearly be a redirect to the article. As the protecting and deleting admin I've come to you. Thanks, Hobit (talk) 15:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I too would support a redirect, but it would be better to wait for the outcome of the DRV I think. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Not sure on that. Given the way the discussion is going, I think we'd avoid more drama than create with the redirect, but it's your call. Thanks again! Hobit (talk) 17:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I have told Hobit that this was all discussed at interminable length before, and given him the references. As the first deleter and salter of the redirect I am still against having one, for the same reasons; but I agree, the DRV (where I am about to comment) will have to decide. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 August 13#Template:Fb team TBA

I closed the above TfD and I thought I managed to replace the uses of the templates in several other templates, but the whatlinkshere search still indicates that it's being used. Can you figure out where they need to be replaced still? —fetch·comms 18:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems you found all of them. The whatlinkshere can take a long time to update itself. For example this template still shows thousands of transclusions even though I replaced all of them and deleted it months ago! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

File:ArticlesForCreationEntry2.JPG listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:ArticlesForCreationEntry2.JPG, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Hugahoody (talk) 21:28, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Commented there. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Donald Duck

Hi. In November 2009 you took away User:Donald Duck's rollback permission, then gave it back. Now Donald Duck is on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents for a pattern of disruptive reverting. I became involved on day 5 of the discussion, when Donald Duck disrupted my editing two different articles. Donald Duck was advised to refrain from using Huggle, but has chosen to ignore that advice. Would you care to look into this? 68.167.224.215 (talk) 03:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I see that huggle has now been removed from the account which seems like a good idea. I'm not sure if any further action is required at this time but it seems like it is being sorted on ANI. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Just something to note. I wasn't advised to not use Huggle -- it was merely a suggestion. - Donald Duck (talk) 16:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Navbox changes

Hi Martin, Just wondering if you would take a look at Template talk:Navbox#width_parameter and review my changes for navbox before I implement them as Navbox is used in quite a few places. Thanks -- WOSlinker (talk) 12:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Will be a couple of days before I can help as I'm on a mobile device. 07:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

No rush, that will be fine. -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done 11:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for adding "Rollback" to my account.. --Sweet xx 20:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem. 11:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Featured templates?!

Care to give this a once-over? Note there are some comments in the source, too, and feel free to point anyone else you care to towards it. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」 04:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah I'm glad you are pursuing this! I'll take a look shortly. 11:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I've hacked at it. 16:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Amg

Hi Martin, I thought I'd bring this to you since you appear to be involved with {{AMG}}. At my request, Yobot is currently replacing all transclusions of {{amg}} with {{allmusic}}. It should be done by the time you read this (unless you're having a late one like myself), so do you think you could unprotect it and redirect to {{AMG}}? Thanks in advance. PC78 (talk) 23:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I've lowered the protection but there still seem to be a few transclusions in the file namespace so I haven't redirected it yet. 09:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

They appear to have been done now, and I've just replaced the last remaining transclusion on an archived AfD discussion. I'll redirect it myself as it's no longer protected. Thanks. PC78 (talk) 15:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Six Day War Request

I put in an "editprotected" request on the Six Day War article and you disabled it with the comment that there was "nothing actionable here". I don't know what that is supposed to mean. Please give me an explanation as to your reason, so I can try to resolve whatever problem you may perceive there to be. JRHammond (talk) 12:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The reason is that the issue was still under discussion and there was not consensus yet for the requested edit. 12:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

But there have been no objections. JRHammond (talk) 13:56, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

User:HupHollandHup and User:BorisG both seem to object. Please continue the conversation over there. 14:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

You are mistaken. There have been no objections to the fix I proposed for which I employed the editprotected template. There are two items in that section. You seem to be referring to item (2), but I didn't employ the template for that item, but rather for item (1), for which there have been precisely 0 objections. Look again. I won't re-enable the template, but please reconsider it. There have been no objections to the fix, and I'm confident if you look at the problem and the fix, you'll find it perfectly reasonable (which might explain why nobody has objected. JRHammond (talk) 00:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay I didn't realise there were two separate requests. I recommend putting each in a new section so that they don't get confused. I've invited other editors to comment on your proposal and if there is no response in a couple of days I can make the edit. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I appreciate it. JRHammond (talk) 14:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

New article put on hold - Brian Fridge

You reviewed my new article and put it on hold, questioning the notability of the artist. He is notable under #4d of the creative professionals section - his work is collected in several museums. I had included the names of the museums in the 1st version of the article, but it was declined because I could not provide online sources. Unfortunately, few museums have the name of every single artist in their collection online. The one exception in the case of Brian Fridge, the artist I was writing about, is the Whitney Museum of American Art (http://whitney.org/Collection/AllArtists?artists_page=2&name=F). I did find his name on their website, but did not want to include the name of only one museum when his work is collected in 6 - I was taking an all or nothing approach.

Does that satisfy the hold requirement? PCbee (talk) 02:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I've created the article although I still have some doubts about whether the notability is established. The cited sources do not seem to give any extensive coverage of the artist, so if you can find any better references that would help. I've given an example to show how references can be formatted properly using Template:Cite web. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

You are mentioned on A/E

You may want to chime in at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration enforcement action appeal by User:JRHammond. Apparently JRHammond wasn't happy with the standards I set on Talk:Six-Day War regarding proper usage of the editprotected template, and he found you more sympathetic, mentioning your and my contradictory positions in his appeal. I tried to reconcile this in my response. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, please, I would appreciate it if you would weigh in. I observed that you and I had an understanding that, in your words: "Okay I didn't realise there were two separate requests. I recommend putting each in a new section so that they don't get confused. I've invited other editors to comment on your proposal and if there is no response in a couple of days I can make the edit."

I maintain that the stated reasons for my ban are wholly spurious. I would appreciate if you would examine my argument for appeal and responses to admins arguing in favor of the ban, which are demonstrably riddled with factually incorrect or misleading statements, such as Amatulic's suggestion that I came to you AFTER Amatulic had told me the edit would not be made unless it had approval, regardless of how much time might passed in which no objections are raised. You will note that the understanding you and I came to occurred before Amatulic expressed his own personal interpretation of how the "editprotected" template is to be used, which I disagreed with, and which you yourself disagreed with in agreeing to make the edit "if there is no response". It is spurious arguments such as this, mostly from users who are not uninvolved, but who rather have already demonstrated prejudice against me underlying my current ban (the admin who banned me had previously done so on spurious pretexts, violated WP:OUTING by posting information personally identifying me, threatened me, etc. I've documented all this in my appeal), and I would appreciate an impartial editor.

In fact, I'll trust and respect your judgment. If you find that I've been in any way at fault by violating any Misplaced Pages policy guidelines, I will submit to the ban to whatever period of time you deem reasonable. I trust that demonstrates my good faith. All I ask in return is that you make a good faith effort to examine the claims being made against me that underlie the ban, and my point-by-point responses to each demonstrating their spurious nature, and if you find I have not violated any Misplaced Pages policy guidelines, that you lift the ban.

Thanks for your consideration. JRHammond (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, JRHammond came here after I requested he withdraw the template he posted, and only after MSGJ disabled the same template. I made this clear in my followup although it was muddled in my initial comment. I've been trying my best to help mediate things and was willing to continue. I recommend JRHammond step back read what he wrote above from the point of view of someone who hasn't seen it yet, and he may realize how combative he appears. He isn't doing favors for himself in this regard. ~Amatulić (talk) 03:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Completely untrue. It was MSGJ who disabled the template, and I never re-enabled it after that, so it's simply a logical impossibility that I came here after you "requested" I "withdraw the template"! A little honesty would certainly be appreciated.

Moreover, as I've already observed, I had reached the above agreement with MSGJ well BEFORE Amatulic stated his interpretation of the usage of the template. How is observing this demonstrable fact "combative"? Such prejudicial characterizations constitute ad hominem argumentation. And repeatedly making false statements against me also demonstrates your extreme prejudice. I've stated the facts, and among those facts are that you have spoken falsely in this regard. It's like I said: I had already come to the above agreement with MSGJ before you posted your comments stating your differing interpretation of how the template is supposed to be used. That fact is incontrovertible, and accusing me of being "combative" won't change it.

This kind of demonstrably prejudicial treatment goes to the heart of this whole matter. I am being treated with extreme prejudice, and all I'm asking for is fair and equal treatment. I reiterate what I said to MSGJ: I place my trust in his judgment, and if he finds that I've in some way violated Misplaced Pages policy in a way that warrants a ban and shows me where I've done so, I will accept his judgment; all I ask in return is that he deal fairly with me. I challenge Amatulic to quote me where I ever said or did anything warranting this ban (much less an indefinite one). And I challenge Amatulic to respond to the facts I've here stated, rather than making false statements and resorting to prejudicial ad hominem arguments. JRHammond (talk) 04:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The dates say otherwise. I requested you withdraw. Then you came here. Enough. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

You're not being honest Amatulic. Let's review the facts: You requested I deactivate the template on the basis that it had been met with debate and controversy. That was incorrect, as I pointed out to to you at the time, and as you perfectly well know -- and as you perfectly well knew when you stated FALSELY on the appeal page that I used the template and a "huge" debate erupted afterward. A demonstrably false statement.

After I pointed out your error in that regard, MSGJ then deactivated the template. I did not seek him out, as you also falsely suggest. MSGJ will confirm that he did that of his own accord. After he did so, I came to an understanding with him here that the edit would be made after more time was allowed, if there were still no objections raised. Your claim that I sought him out is another demonstrably false assertion.

It was SUBSEQUENT to that that you said the edit would NOT be made without explicit support -- in other words, it didn't matter how long it remained there without objection and was uncontroversial, the edit wouldn't be made. It was that position of yours, which is not supported by the page outlining the use of the template, that I said was unreasonable. The whole premise of your argument on the appeal page is that I went "shopping" for an admin to support my position. YOU KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT IS FALSE. Again, my understanding with MSGJ was arrived at before you had even made your comments. Yet you've constructed an entire argument supporting the ban against me on the basis that I went "canvassing" for an admin to support my position -- a 100% FALSE claim, as you know perfectly well.

Your lack of honesty, Amatulic, demonstrates your lack of good faith and extreme prejudice towards me. I again request that MSGJ consider my appeal. I trust that he, unlike yourself, can be impartial, honest about the facts, and non-prejudicial in his attitude towards me. You don't have to like me, Amatulic, but I've got the truth on my side. I've done nothing to warrant this completely ban, implemented on 100% spurious accusations, and I challenge you or anyone else to actually quote me where I posted anything or did anything that was in violation of Misplaced Pages policy in such a manner as to warrant an indefinite article and talk-page ban on the Six Day War topic. Every single argument you've made in support of the ban is premised upon demonstrably false assertions. That is one thing. The fact that you know perfectly well your claims are false when you make them is another matter, and clearly demonstrates that you have no basis judging one way or the other on my appeal to have the ban lifted. I request that Amatulic be forbidden from doing so, on the basis of his demonstrably false claims against me. JRHammond (talk) 07:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

wall of words, Six day war

• The silence at Six-Day war is because everyone has abandoned the idea of debating in the face of the wall of words – it's a result of fatigue, and absolutely nothing else. • Ling.Nut 16:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages pages with to-do lists