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User:Bertport

Hi, Future Perfect at Sunrise. Since you blocked twice my access to English wiki, I have no choice but contact you anonymously. Firstly, I want to express my deepest regret and disaffection for the two blockages. How could people jump to a judgement only by listening to one side's words? Don't you know the villain always sues his victim before he himself is prosecuted. It's User:Bertport who made the very first revert at 00:19, 19 February 2010 while I, mainly with User:Clemensmarabu, had been contributing days to the article Tibet. I never see he does any constructive edit but only undoes others' contributions or stealthily stuffs his biased words.

I waited one week to finally edit the article, if you please have a look at what content is restored , you'll tell at once good from bad. Both sides' opinions are presented and historical events are scholarly argued, thus I wonder where come from the courage of Bertport to revert such an edit and his boldness to accuse others anticipately. Regards. -- LaGrandefr

Watch out

See this. Not another interest party flood. Just a heads up ;) Michi

Talkback

Could you "semi-protect" the Istanbul article for the time being from anonymous users. It is constantly attacked and vandalized. I have never seen such constant onslaught on a city article.

Could you "semi-protect" the Istanbul article for the time being from anonymous users. It is constantly attacked and vandalized. I have checked the history of editions and I have never seen such constant referenceless changes and attacks on a city article in Misplaced Pages, I have never seen such constant onslaught on a city article, not even hotly contested Jerusalem comes close! Any contribution one makes is either changed with no explanation or erased altogether.

Even the climate section I (currently) last edited, has been previously constantly changed with no reason and attacked. Even this section seems to be a "hot political issue"!

I am a new user orginally from Turkish Misplaced Pages and try to base the editions I make on credible sources.

Thank you if you could protect this articles for more well meaning users for a while.

Menikure

Reinsertion of the section (2)

Hi, Future.
12 days gone and your talkpage is already archived. Wow!
Please, take a look again at this version of the article about battle of Pakrac .
If we put grammar errors, "unneutral" expressions and some names (because of WP:BLP) aside, this version is good. It's more detailed and profound than the current version.
But that doesn't mean that I want to remove the lines from the current version. There's a place for everyone.
The author that wrote for Hrvatsko slovo is Marijan Pinhak, a documentarist. He's a donor of war videos from the area of Pakrac and Lipik to Museum of Pakrac. Please see Museum of city of Pakrac. For his work on collection of professional and amateur videos about greaterserbianist aggression on Pakrac, he won the annual city award "The Seal of City of Pakrac"; he made 3 DVD's "The reconstruction of destroyed cities of Pakrac and Lipika 1995-2008“, "Croatian War of Independence, Pakrac i Lipik od 1991-1995." and amateur documentary about the tragedy of DI "Papuk" Pakrac. He plans to make 7 DVD's about the Croatian Homeland War in Pakrac.
I'm not pushing you "here and now". Take your time. Bye, Kubura (talk) 01:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Chen Wenyuan / User:Wikinger

I meant to raise this with you when I encountered it (well, once I'd worked out that there was a serious issue) - apologies for not doing that, but I see you're now "up to speed".

Giftiger wunsch raised this issue on my talkpage, having already CSD-T2-tagged the template created by the Chen user, and having reverted all edits where an IP had added the template to blocked users' pages. I deleted the template, and initially thought that that was the end of the matter. However, when GW mentioned that they had reverted instances of the template being used, I dug deeper and saw that an IP had addd the template immediately after Chen has created it. At that point my good faith turned to deep suspicion, and I blocked Chen.

The reason I gave for the block was vandalism. I was uncomfortable with that then, and I remain uncomfortable with it now. It was a hasty decision, resulting from "being caught on the hop", and from seeing my assumption of good faith proven to be a mistake.

Clearly "Chen" is a sock. Is there any value in me re-blocking Chen to indicate this, or do you feel that your sock tag is sufficient? TFOWR 09:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, I wouldn't bother, personally. The less attention we pay to Wikinger the better. I tried to talk with him reasonably the other day (User talk:83.30.144.212, User talk:Judyta85), and I have to say his latest shenanigans were probably, in a way, his own twisted way of trying to be constructive, but still, he's a rather, let's say, strange personality, and in general a simple BRI approach is probably best. Thanks for taking care of the template thing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you check a source(s)?

Hi, I’ve noted that you’ve done some source checking in the past : . It would be nice if you check the source on factual accuracy representation at WP (source permission usage was granted upon education proposes usage at WP)

• source suggest Hauptsturmführer title (used at Sicherheitsdienst rank – see at source Roman Shukhevych’s title was that of Hauptsturmführer (captain) of the first company and deputy commander of the legion ) ) but not Wehrmacht rank Hauptmann as suggested by WP-editor
• source does not suggest to call fact as claim (see Bloody pogroms and mass murders were carried out in these cities, and soldiers of Nachtigall participated in the slaughter of Jews) as suggested here and here

Also would be nice if you can check Philip Friedman. Ukrainian-Jewish Relations During the Nazi Occupation. at Yivo annual of Jewish social science Yiddish Scientific Institute, 1959 (also available at Roads to extinction : essays on the Holocaust. New York: 1980 ) upon a text – “OUN-B condemned anti-Jewish pogroms and specifically warned against the pogromist mindset” – which contradict the text at p.265 of the source itself and mainstream scholars acknowledgment – see (…in April 1941, on the UNO Congress in Krakow, struggling Jews was practically legalized) , – (It is an undeniable fact, though, that OUN organized pogroms and mass violence against Jews and others throughout western Ukraine in July 1941.) and numerous other scholar sources including Institute of History - National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. I can send you a copy of texts mentioned if you have not online access to it. ThanksJo0doe (talk) 08:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Also would be great if you take a look at the Chuyev credibility - information on Chuyev was greatifully provided here . ThanksJo0doe (talk) 13:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

No contradiction in the article concerning pogroms and the OUN. The OUN-B condemned pogroms in April but then organized them a few months later after the Germans, with whom they wanted an alliance, asked for them. This is clearly written in the article here. An excerpt:

"The OUN-B's ambivalent wartime attitude towards the Jews was highlighted during the Second General Congress of OUN-B (April, 1941, Kraków)in which the OUN-B condemned anti-Jewish pogroms. and specifically warned against the pogromist mindset as useful only to Muscovite propaganda. At that conference the OUN-B declared "The Jews in the USSR constitute the most faithful support of the ruling Bolshevik regime, and the vanguard of Muscovite imperialism in Ukraine. The Muscovite-Bolshevik government exploits the anti-Jewish sentiments of the Ukrainian masses to divert their attention from the true cause of their misfortune and to channel them in a time of frustration into pogroms on Jews. The OUN combats the Jews as the prop of the Muscovite-Bolshevik regime and simultaneously it renders the masses conscious of the fact that the principal foe is Moscow."

On the other hand, the OUN was willing to support Nazi antisemitic policies if doing so would help their cause. The OUN sought German recognition for an independant Ukrainian state. Despite it's declared condemnation of pogroms in April 1941, when German official Reinhard Heydrich requested "self-cleansing actions" in June of that year the OUN organized militias who killed several thousand Jews in western Ukraine soon afterward that year."

Jo0doe, who is active on that and other articles, is aware what it is written there but chooses to provide a false impression. Rather than spend 10 minutes adding info to an article, I've now had to defend against this false accusation. And he, rather than try to improve an article, is wspending his time making false accusations designed, I suppose, to waste others' time. Jo0doe is just being disruptive as usual.Faustian (talk) 13:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I just ask an editor to independently check the sources texts. I'm not accusing anyone thanksJo0doe (talk) 16:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Look what I caught Jo0doe (talk) doing: . Seriously, how much time needs to be wasted tracking down those little subtle manipulations, rather than making real contributions to wikipedia? Granted, since returning from his block he has not been as bad as he had been before. But still, could you at least issue this guy a warning, please?Faustian (talk) 13:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Folk etymology at Bardyllis

This might be of interest to you: . Apparently you can't call something "folk etymology" unless you have a source that explicitly calls it "folk etymology". Athenean (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks ...

… for fixing the interwiki at Prefectures of Greece; I guess the keyword 'Nomos' will satisfy the Dutch silicon-based lifeform now. How did you actually find the redirect? The 'what links here' at the German WP gives an endless list. ;-) Alfie↑↓© 10:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. One of the redirects I actually created myself just for the purpose, and then I saw there already was another (which was linked to from their de:Nomos page somewhere.) Interwiki bots do have some annoyingly Borg-like characteristics sometimes, it has to be said. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Species 8472 could pay them a visit. ;-) Alfie↑↓© 02:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Seleukosa

Future I know that we have disagreed many times but I think you as a honest person. I need your skills as an experienced administrator. I am not quit sure what to do with this accusation ]. I have replied but I dont know if there is any other way to prove my innocence. I am a wikipedia editor for nearly 4 years and I have a perfect record! I do find quite suspicious this accusation against me.Seleukosa (talk) 10:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you future for your immediate response. If there is anything else that can be done technically please advise.Thank youSeleukosa (talk) 11:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I really don't know what happened here ] but I think that everything has become more complicated! Can you please have a look again! I really don't know what to do!! It is becoming more and more an effort to try to prove that I am not an elephant!Seleukosa (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Future for your quick response. I never expect to say this but I am more than happy to see your comments in that sockpupet report!( I cant get out of my mind that the entire sockpupet report was not done in good faith.)Seleukosa (talk) 22:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Help please

I brought this up on another thread, but it deserves its own. I realize you are busy dealing with Greek-related topics at the moment, but could you please check into this situation when you get a chance? Coming off his 6 month block, Jo0doe (talk) seems to be getting more and more disruptive. Faustian (talk) 14:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I second that.--Galassi (talk) 15:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Jo0doe also engages in copyvio, pasting materials from the web without changing anything: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ukrainian_People%27s_Militia&diff=prev&oldid=388860356 --Galassi (talk) 10:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

This is not true, Galassi afraid well refenced edits by Jo0doe. Galassi & Lvivskie are trying to whitewashing UPA and Ukrainian nationalists.--Paweł5586 (talk) 10:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Guildenrich SPI

Don't know if you already noticed, but there's another one . Best, Athenean (talk) 04:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination

Hello. This is just a heads-up that there is a question about the Sampi nomination on the DYK suggestions page.

Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 23:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Sampi

Great work! I requested the queue-assembling admin to make it the lead hook. :) --BorgQueen (talk) 05:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, what an honour! :-) I decided I wanted to turn this page into the most overblown and over-cited article Misplaced Pages has ever had on utterly obscure topic, in honour of Bachmann's Law. Not sure if I've succeeded with that, but it was decidedly fun to write. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Great article. You should file it for FA, but first learn to speak and spell American instead of Brit (honour) ;-) ! — Rlevse • Talk • 11:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Martintg. Offliner (talk) 07:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me?

Do you know this user? --Idh0854 (talk) 12:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Uh, sorry for the trouble. This is User:Wikinger, see Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Wikinger. He's a very confused person and has been on a long campaign spreading some bizarre nonsense about a very obscure topic, minor Greek alphabetic letters, in all the different Wikipedias. I have been trying to clean up some of this. Ironically, he is currently trying to be "good" and making edits he thinks I would like, but he's still very confused in doing so. But it's true that the topic of the page ko:Ι͘ is not really a genuine Greek letter, and should probably not have an article. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello Future Perfect at Sunrise. I am an administrator at the Dutch Misplaced Pages en I saw this edit. Is this also Wikinger? 83.30.139.68 has been blocked for one day by MoiraMoira for the reason of sockpuppetabuse. If 68.169.86.202 is Wikinger too, than I can block this IP (and maybe both IP's for a year if there was a checkuser). Trijnstel (talk) 14:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, that's Wikinger too. See also below. I wouldn't bother about long-term blocks, as it's a very dynamic IP range. He also uses open proxies a lot. Only thing that helps is to semiprotect all pages he takes an interest in, unfortunately. Sorry for the trouble. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Correction: 68.169.86.202 is an open proxy, so a long-term block would be reasonable for that one. His normal home ISP is the Polish one, as in 83.30.139.68. Anything that acts like him but comes from a different ISP is an open proxy. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have blocked 68.169.86.202 for one day and I have asked a colleague (RonaldB) to check this open proxy. I don't know much about open proxy's and dynamic IP's. Thanks for the explanation! Trijnstel (talk) 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

This is so interesting. Okay. Thank you! --Idh0854 (talk) 14:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Demands ???!

Is this your normal way of communicating? If so, I asume you've never read WP:AGF. We're all here te improve Misplaced Pages. Your way of communicating is not helping it at all. Also: please login with you username when making edits. See WP:SUL. Silver Spoon 14:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. That of course wasn't me, but vandal User:Wikinger. He's a very confused person, and currently he is trying, in his very confused way, to be "good" and help me with cleaning up his mess. I really don't know how to deal with him. Having him fight "for" me is almost worse than having him fight against me. Certainly more embarrassing. Please see Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Wikinger for some background. BTW, MoiraMoira already knows what's going on. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I am really really sorry for my above message. I see in the above message it's most probably the same crosswiki vandal. Silver Spoon 14:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanx, next time I'll first read WP:AGF :P. Silver Spoon 14:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have marked your last version at the german WP. I think you might ask for Sichter rights. As a native German speaker and an English sysop I'm sure they'll grant you those rights :). Silver Spoon 14:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I wasn't sure how they handle those things over there. Having to wait for people approving your edits sort of sucks. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanx both SilverSpoon and Future Perfect at Sunrise. That Wikinger person is a real problem it seems. Let's keep in touch. Kind regards, MoiraMoira (talk) 06:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Guildenrich

I wonder if there is any way to restore Guildenrich's talkpage ]. I remember one of Sarandioti's socks (Kreshnick) asked him to activate his email in order to cooperate off wiki. This can explain the close tag-teaming between Sarandioti&(possible)socks and Guildenrich&socks.Alexikoua (talk) 09:43, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sampi

On 4 October 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sampi, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Congrats, it got a reasonable number of hits . I wonder if you could do the same job for all the rest of Greek letters? :-D Sorry if I sound like a slave owner. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, sampi is getting famous! :-) Well, I started with the most obscure ones, and actually did some rewriting of Sho (letter), San (letter) and Koppa (letter), but they wouldn't grow as big as this one. But if anybody wants to expand the mainstream ones, I've got goodies for them. For instance, barnstars should be on offer for the first person who manages to meaningfully cram all of commons:Category:Greek epigraphic Beta together with this and this into the Beta article. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)