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Check anarchism talkpage on Heider -- max rspct leave a message 16:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Of course I'm not defending the New Deal in this instance. I just don't think it's economic fascism. But if you are so in favour of no government-owned corporations etc what do you think of the tax payers money given away in privatisation at the behest of private think tanks. Really RJ you should be more shocked at capitalist control and pilfering of the state. for example:
On the advice of the Adam Smith Institute, under John Major's Conservative Government's Railways Act 1993 British Rail was split up and privatised. This was a continuation of the policy of Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government's privatisation of publicly-owned services. -- from British Rail

Remember it was Thatcher's gov that pioneered all that privatisation in US etc -max rspct leave a message

Is this what we should expect under anarcho-capitalism? -max rspct leave a message 20:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean it's taxpayers' money? In a privatization, the government sell the assets to the private sector. What does taxation have to do with it? RJII 20:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh come on they always get it for peanuts all over the world -- max rspct leave a message 21:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Whether it's sold for too much or to little, the result is that there is less government. RJII 21:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal status update - Anarchism

Dear RJII: I'm Nicholas Turnbull, mediator and coordinator down at the Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal. This is a status update regarding a mediation request that you are involved in, Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-01-07 Anarchism. I have written my initial view on the case and would be grateful if you would please consider what I have written there; in particular, I'd be grateful if you would please carry out the task I asked for to write a single sentence overview of what you think is wrong with the article, so that we can compare viewpoints to come up with a collective solution. Thank you very much for your participation. If you require any assistance relating to this matter please do not hesistate to contact me. Best regards, NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 20:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Property

I've been working on Property, adding Charles Comte, Proudhon, and Bastiat's theories. I'd appreciate your "peer review" and input. BTW, I think it was you who turned me on to Comte in one of your posts. Thanks. Hogeye 19:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll check it out. RJII 03:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your improvements. Per your suggestion, I added a pertinent Proudhon quote: "By this method of investigation, we soon see that every argument which has been invented in behalf of property, whatever it may be, always and of necessity leads to equality; that is, to the negation of property." I guess you haven't read "What is Property," but basically he takes various arguments for property from past luminaries, and argues that they all imply that equality should prevail. Hogeye 05:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

E-mail

Could you add an e-mail address to your account so that I can ask you something relating to the arbitration case? Gazpacho 13:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Pronouncing RJII

You've said at the RfAr evidence page that you plan to cease using this user name soon. Before that happens, I have to ask: how do you say "RJII"? Is it Arjay-eye-eye? Arjay-two? Arjay-the-second? When I read it, I say Arjay-eleven in my head, like the phone connection. I mean no disrespect by asking this; it's honestly something I've thought about since I first saw your name. TomTheHand 13:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I say Arjay-eye-eye. It's an acronym. What it stands for will be revealed upon completion of the project. RJII 15:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, because I have to admit I've been extremely curious about it for a long time... :) As a fun idea, would you consider dropping clues about it beforehand to see if anyone figures it out? Just a thought... I think I might guess what one of the I's stands for. -- Nikodemos (f.k.a. Mihnea) 19:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Its not strictly an acronym if it's pronounced Arjay-eye-eye. An acronym should be pronounced as a word -- otherwise, its just initials. FBI is only an acronym if you say "fibbie," if you say "eff-bee-eye" its initials. Just my random bit of pedantry for the afternoon. --Christofurio 19:23, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

"Capitalist authority"

I agree with you, in the context its weasil words. I think the poster was trying to say that an-caps support the boss' authority to control a workplace, work functions, hours, goods produced, production methods etc., as opposed to workers control. Stupid place for it, its non-cogent. Fifelfoo 03:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I've put it here instead of on Talk:Anarchism, because that page becomes enflamed rapidly, particularly with what I felt I needed to say to you. Sure I observe NPOV scrupulously. Mainly because I feel that the proper response to anarcho-capitalism is anti-fascism (good slogan actually). But that's a normative belief. And there are people who claim to be anarcho-capitalists in verifiable primary sources, and commentary about them in verifiable secondary sources. I'm quite happy with how the article is turning out (if only Libertarianism could address Libertarian Socialism with a two para "see also" bite). I've also noticed the quality of your edits, though I expect like myself, you are predisposed to expand some paragraphs without thinking of article balance simply because "what's written there isn't complete and so isn't correct" :). We're at 56kb, and the article seems to have improved greatly on past attempts. Looks good. Could be featurable in the next few weeks. Fifelfoo 06:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Altruism

Are not you sacrificing your time for the public good in editing Misplaced Pages? Perhaps you have a touch of altruism, too! Of course, if you are handsomely paid to do this, you should own up to it. The rest of us just have to make do. :-) Carrionluggage 07:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit Misplaced Pages out of altruism? No way. I'm in it for me. RJII 07:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

About that Communist you know. There are two kinds (at least): one kind tells you he is altruistic and you should be also in order that he can grab something from you. That kind is dealt with in George Orwell's Animal Farm. The other kind is a dupe of the first. But this chap you know - he must be a rare case today - I never hear of this stuff any more so I feel Ayn Rand's supporters are kind of beating a dead horse. Today's threats seem (to me) to be religious extremism and the approaching exhaustion of world resources. But to each her/his own.Carrionluggage 19:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think it is rare today -communism/altruism is pretty much moribund. Though pursuit of self-interest still has many detractors, I don't it's frowned upon as much today as it has been in the past. Maybe Rand deserves a little blame for that. RJII 20:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Voltairine de Cleyre quote on American individualist anarchism

Can you please stop misquoting??!!. -- max rspct leave a message 23:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not misquoting. She said that when she was an individualist. RJII 01:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

She was describing the philosophy though not voicing her exact views -- max rspct leave a message 16:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Good job

That usage of "self interest" is just fine. Carrionluggage 02:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Your "project"

Well it sounds like you are just here to bait (troll) wikipedians whose political persuasions are 'counterposed' to yours. Aren't you just being disruptive or testing the flaccid Godwin's Law -- max rspct leave a message 23:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Keep it up. I enjoy personal attacks. They turn me on. RJII 23:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Then you'll love this. You're a fucking asshole and I want to see you die a slow death. ha ha ha ha ha.

thank you for defending the truthiness

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Individualist anarchism and anarcho-capitalism

Thank you for your comments on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Individualist anarchism and anarcho-capitalism. I have closed the debate as no consensus. Please note that this does not preclude further discussion of eventual disposition of the article, including possible merging, redirection, or a further nomination for deletion. Also, please remember to stay civil even to those with whom you disagree and to those who are not civil to you. -- Jonel | Speak 03:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Workshop page

You were informed of the /Workshop page in this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:RJII&diff=32526173&oldid=32438425 Fred Bauder 15:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

So I was. Sorry for jumping the gun. RJII 15:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Your conduct

Why don't you stop using wikipedia? You seem to have real difficulty in finding unbias sources and seem to support those with similar problems. Besides all the disruption. -max rspct leave a message 20:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Dial 1-800-EAT-RFC. RJII 20:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I think you may find you will be stopped from using wikipedia unless you change your ways.Harrypotter 23:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

And what "ways" is that? And, what do you mean? Is someone going to come and arrest me to make sure I don't get on Misplaced Pages? Are you going to join the special few who attack me without justification? You'd better have some good evidence of wrongdoing to back up your remark. What is it? What have I done? RJII 02:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps if you look at the posting immediately above mine, you may notice the word disruption appears. This word disruptive also appears in Misplaced Pages:Banning policy: "In some circumstances, an administrator may ban a disruptive user to get them to leave Misplaced Pages alone for a short time or stop editing a particular page."". Why would I need "evidence" to back up my remark, when the evidence is before your very eyes. I have no doubt that you are quite capable of mending your ways without tutelage from me!Harrypotter 15:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh I see, you're taking a disruptive editor's (Max_rspct) claim as true. Well, let me tell you, he's full of it. All he does is personally attack me. And, if you watch his editing, he deletes sourced material. He'll violate the 3RR regularly. If you want to know what he was responding to, it's because I replaced a chart on the capitalism article because he was deleting it without explaining why. Then he has the gall to message me here and call me disruptive. He's very disruptive. A claim of disruption is not evidence, especially from someone with as little credibility as him. You should be more careful before you make assumptions like that. RJII 15:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

You seem too ready to ascribe views to me without considering what other possibilities may exist in this world. I think that is what you might call "making assumptions". A claim of disruption is evidence that there are people who may try and have you banned. Perhaps you should point this out to our colleague max rspct, if you are so concerned about their behaviour.Harrypotter 15:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

No, you told me to "change ways." That's an assumption that his claim of disruption was true. RJII 16:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I did not tell you to do anything. I merely pointed out one amongst many possible consequences which could occur if you continue with your current behaviour. In fact I consider that you getting banned could be quite independent of whether or not max rspct's are true, as I do not believe in the Omniscience of the wiki GodKing. Perhaps you should read more Stirner, and then you might be able to better understand your Ego and your own . . . assumptions!Harrypotter 16:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok then, you suggested that I change my ways. The assumption is that I was disruptive and need to stop. RJII 16:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Not quite, check out New_Troll_point_of_view. My observation was based on the above mentioned posting and that it brough to mind a possible future in which you were banned. In fact all that I suggested was that "you may find you will be stopped from using wikipedia unless you change your ways". Harrypotter 17:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

"New Troll point of view" hey? Who am I to bemoan natural law? RJII 17:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

While things are protected...

I found it refreshing to edit on the libertarian wiki. I transplanted the last good version of the anarchism article there. You know, with the individualist/collectivist structure that we worked on after the last unprotect. I merged your Individual anarchism and American individual anarchism articles - that was obviously an edit war fork. Anyway, check these out:

Anarchism

Individualist anarchism

Hogeye 07:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

embarassing to have to bring this up, but...

Er, about your Misplaced Pages Defender barnstar... I see that it was awarded to you by Ghgfhfhfdh. Ghgfhfhfdh has 17 edits, all but one in talkspace or his userpage, and most of those in user talkspace at that. His awarding of a barnstar to you was his ninth edit. (FWIW, judging by the replication of identical misspellings and malformations, that was a copy-and-paste of the identical award given to Ghgfhfhfdh by an anon AOL proxy, surely in error as Ghgfhfhfdh was at that time sixteen minutes shy of his first edit.)

Don't be embarrased! It's not your fault! I'm sure that until now you were unaware of these troublesome facts, and of course will swiftly return the tainted object to the pool, as there are only so many to go around. Herostratus 04:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I just figured he wanted to be anonymous. RJII 04:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Um, but that's not a very good precedent... we're supposed to have transparency and stuff here... Herostratus 06:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with it. RJII 06:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, if anonymous giving of awards was countenanced, who knows but some cad might give himself an award, for instance. I would think that surely rather than risk being thought of in such company one would renounce and remove such an award. Herostratus 10:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh I see. You think I gave it to myself. Well, if you want to think I gave it to myself, feel free. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks. I certainly don't need a medal to make myself feel important or worthy. And, I don't need you to bother me anymore with your bogus concern for my public reputation. RJII 20:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't think that you gave it to yourself, but others might. I did, however, point out its tainted origin, expecting that you would of course remove it at once. To display a tainted award is akin to wearing an unearned combat ribbon -- no person with a sense of shame would do so. Perhaps it would be best to let you continue to display the object, its exposure as a sham now mocking rather than ennobling you to all who view. However, I don't think that would be fair to those have fairly earned awards, so I must ask you, as Wikipedian to Wikipedian: please remove it. Thanking you in advance for your speedy compliance, Herostratus 00:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I think you're taking Misplaced Pages a little to seriously. Maybe it's time for a break. (by the way, I deserve a medal for everything I've done for Misplaced Pages. One couldn't give me enough medals to compensate me.) RJII 00:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

You deserve something. Whether it's a medal or censure is unclear. Arthur Rubin | (talk) 02:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not questioning your work, as I'm not familiar with it. Returning to the matter at hand, since you won't comply with my request, will you agree to my (or our, if you wish to participate) taking this before a disinterested third party and be bound by his decision? Herostratus 06:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Of course not. Why should I unnecessarily give someone else authority over me? Now go away and stop bugging me. RJII 06:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

In that case, sir, I propose to bring you up on charges. Herostratus 14:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

To make myself crystal clear, I intend to enter a Request for Abitration on this matter. Have you anything to say? Herostratus 14:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

An-cap FAQ

When making a list of anarchist links, I noticed that there was no anarcho-capitalist FAQ. Sure, there's a wonderful Anarchist Theory FAQ by Bryan Caplan, but that's about anarchism in general. So, drawing upon my Misplaced Pages experience, I created one. Please make comments or suggestions on my Talk page. Behold! I give you ...

Hogeye 17:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Good work. I like it. Of course there are some things I would change, but that's your work --not Misplaced Pages. Weird that there wasn't one out there already. RJII 17:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Milton Friedman and criticism of socialism

Hi, you had Economist Milton Friedman says "Hardly anyone today, from the far left to the far right, regards socialism in the traditional sense of government ownership and operation of the means of production as either feasible or desirable. Those who profess socialism today mean by it a welfare state." in the intro to the Socialism article. I'm not sure it is the right place for it, particularly as there is a specific section on criticism, and indeed an article. You might want to put the quote on the Milton Friedman page too. Cheers! MrTrev 20:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't really looking at it like a criticism but a definition --an economists noting how people use the term today. RJII 20:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

In which case, you might want to use more than one economist's views, and gather views from across the political spectrum - the views of one economist are only representing his POV, other economists will have different POVs. MrTrev 20:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I was hoping someone else would take care of that. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a collaborative thing. RJII 20:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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