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Hamas and the Taliban analogy

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No such analogy has ever been claimed. This is clearly an article created to prove a point, as part of the longstanding attempt to disrupt Israel and the apartheid analogy; this article even copies the structure of the latter. RolandR (talk) 20:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

• Keep The article is tightly sourced and its more than clear direct parallels have been made between the Taliban and Hamas. In Israel and the apartheid analogy, very few of the sources actually use the word "analogy" when comparing Israel and South African governments. Wikifan12345 (talk) 22:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
• Keep. The article lists numerous scholarly sources, which in one way or another, make this specific analogy. It's unfortunate that nominator was unable to assume good faith behind the article. It may have used Israel and the apartheid analogy as a format for this article, but that should speak the strength of that article, something nominator should undoubtedly support.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. —RolandR (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. —brewcrewer (yada, yada) 01:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
• Keep The article was clearly created to make a point, but that doesn't negate the value of the article. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 02:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - the comparison to the Israel and the apartheid analogy fails as there are sources actually discussing and focusing on the use of that analogy. Here, there are people who, rightly or wrongly, have compared Hamas to the Taliban. But there arent any sources actually discussing that comparison. The most cited source on that page is by a Dr Aaron Klein in the prestigious publication WorldNetDaily. Besides other sources that are misused, mostly by taking a sentence out of context, there are a bunch of people using or denying a comparison between the two. It is true that such a thing exists at the article on the apartheid analogy, but that is best dealt with by fixing that article so that it doesnt just serve as a repository of people who made the comparison. The main reason to delete this though is WP:SYNTH. A combination of sources using an analogy is being presented as a topic covering the analogy. None of the sources are actual secondary sources covering this analogy. They are using the analogy, which makes them all primary sources combined into a topic by a Misplaced Pages editor seeking to prove a WP:POINT. nableezy - 04:12, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
• Keep At least for the moment. On first glance it looks like your typical Sharks.-vs.-Jets-I/P coatrack. It is but there are a slim few scholarly papers on the topic (which the article might want to reference). It needs some serious editing as there's a hell of a lot of SYNTH but there is some meat here. Sol (talk) 05:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
• Keep. Why is it not surprising that same person who insisted to keep "Israel and the apartheid analogy" is also insisting on deleting "Hamas and the Taliban analogy"? The article is much better sourced than Israel and the apartheid analogy, and the overall topic is more notable. The specified reason is not a policy based reason for deletion. As the 37 rock solid references attest, the topic is widely covered by both scholarly and journalistic sources from nonpartisan parties as well as both sides of the I-P conflict. All the provided sources specifically make an analogy or deny the analogy between the Hamas and the Taliban. Marokwitz (talk) 05:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Is there a single source discussing the "analogy"? Just one source actually discussing it and not using it. nableezy - 12:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. Per Malik and Sol. And the sources discussing and focusing on the analogy.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Name one of those sources you say exists. nableezy - 12:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

There are many given in the article, for example "Hamas, Taliban and the Jewish Underground: An Economist’s View of Radical Religious Militias", "The Talibanization of Gaza: A Liability for the Muslim Brotherhood", "The Hamas Enterprise and the Talibanization of Gaza", "Palestine: Taliban-like attempts to censor music", "The Fundamentalist City?: Religiosity and the Remaking of Urban Space", "HAMAS AND GLOBAL JIHAD: THE ISLAMIZATION OF THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE", " Fears of a Taliban-Style Emirate in Gaza", "Gaza turns into a Taliban state", In addition this article contains explicit uses of the analogy by Israeli, Palestinian, and other officials such as Dan Meridor, Benjamin Netanyahu, Mark Regev, Samir Mashharawi, Richard Kemp. More than enough to establish notability, far more so than 99% of the articles on Misplaced Pages. Marokwitz (talk) 13:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Ive read 3 of those, working on the rest. The problem is they dont discuss an analogy, they use it. To combine sources using the analogy into an article on an analogy is synthesis of primary sources. In other words, original research. nableezy - 13:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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