Misplaced Pages

WP:MFD is a discussion (it just has a vote/poll along with it to decide if it's kept or deleted). Letting it continue would not be disruptive in the least if it resulted in serious discussion/debate. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Ummm... isn't it well within Crotalus horridus' right to nominate pages for MfD? Is someone failing to assume good faith here? Shouldn't they discussion have at least taken place before being speedily closed??? --LV 03:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

That's my thoughts as well. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It is, but it is also my right duty to get rid of disruption and I felt that this was unecessarily disruptive and a possible WP:POINT violation so I speedy closed it. Jtkiefer ---- 03:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

On what grounds? By not assuming good faith? By closing the discussion without letting it ever start? By blocking an editor who was doing what he had every right to do? Also see my thoughts on Crotalus' talk page. --LV 04:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Nomination of certain pages for deletion is considered disruptive (unless of course it's the Main page and it's April 1 :). There are better places to build consensus for reforming the user RFC process than MfD. Physchim62 (talk) 04:13, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

(Multiple edit conflicts later:) So, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Enforcement appears to be the right place for this, why not go there and hammer out some consensus? Dragging pages to MfD is the wrong way to bring attention to the issue; the wrong place for discussion. Clearly, in the time I've been trying to post this appeal to reason, people get blocked for being stubborn and ignoring common sense. Just advertise at WP:VP and be willing to work for consensus. Act like you're trying to get blocked, and you'll get blocked. -GTBacchus 03:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Rather than attempting to continue fighting an edit war, I've opened Misplaced Pages:User RFC reform. Do not vote there yet, as it is still under progress, but feel free to include poll questions if you have them. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 04:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The poll is now open. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 04:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

what is this guy up to?

User:Mission BSS.Geni 04:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, quite clearly he is coming to represent Mumbai-style for the Dalit. That's fine. I was just saying the other day that the Dalit voice wasn't heard frequently enough around the wiki. Babajobu 05:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

World War II Special Protection Request

IP 24.167.137.112 has been blanking/vandalizing the World War II and page for the last hour (5 edits) Bo-Lingua 04:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I blocked him for 24 hours. Thanks. Babajobu 04:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

How prompt! Thankee! Bo-Lingua 05:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

For future reference, you may wish to use WP:AIV to request administrator attention against vandalizing, and WP:RfPP to request protection or semi-protection of articles. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Benjamin Gatti

His arbitration case concluded today. He was placed on both probation and general probation. Here is the final decision. I'm posting this here because he's been rather active on nuclear power lately and we need as many admins as possible watch his actions on that page...similar with Price-Anderson Act. I'm involved so I can't block or ban him myself. So any help in monitoring his edits on those 2 articles especially would be appreciated. He has also hit Hubbert_peak_theory hard in the past. Thanks for everyone's help. --Woohookitty 05:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

"Location canonicalization"

Can someone give a second opinion on whether the recent edits by User:Quarl to change ] to ], ] are as totally useless as they seem? --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 05:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Discussion moved: I've moved this discussion to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Location Format —Quarl 2006-02-09 10:24Z

User:24.224.217.39

Based on this I have blocked this user indefinitely. Please review. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

IPs change, so an indefinite block doesn't seem like a good idea, but I'd favor at least a month-long block. Titoxd 07:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok if you think so but he sure is a cheery fellow now. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It's done, a month now for two death threats and an offer to blow up the Misplaced Pages offices. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. If an IP is permablocked, and it is a dynamic IP, it is horrible. If the IP is static, it can get reassigned by some reason or another by the ISP to an unsuspecting user. That's the only reason an indef block isn't a good idea. Titoxd 07:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I realize that and I admit it was an overreaction and frustration from other things. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocking someone does not stop murders of wikipedia users or the plot to bomb the headquarters. We will get a lot of sympathy and publicity when this hits the press. Lapinmies 09:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It is hardly the first death threat recived by wikipedia.Geni 12:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not going to hit the press because it's not going to happen. Death threats are a dime a dozen on the Internet and generally do not deserve to be taken very seriously. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 17:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

User:VinnyCee

Following posted on AIV:

• VinnyCee (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for disrupting police state. Already there is a check user request. Today once again he is inserting the claim the US is a police state. Despite numerous requests to substantiate that claim, no proof is advanced but the claim is inserted still.

Furthermore, this person has been violating the 3 RR rule, inserting warnings on police state talk page which were deleted from editors own talk page, and disrupting my talkpage. -- Nomen Nescio 09:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked VinnyCee for 24h for vandalism, WP:POINT per , , , , , , , , , , , , , and technically and WP:3RR although I guess that doies not really apply on Talk pages - in any case, he was warned more than once re adding contentious tags to the article and continued after deleting the warnings from his talk page. In my view the user was well aware that they were in the wrong and continued anyway, but bringing here just in case someone feels that they should be given a little more rope. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 10:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Autoblocks

User:Rodw ahs just emailed me to say that 164.11.204.52 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is blocked as being recently used by Paulo_Fontaine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Which is possible, but I can't see any block that I can undo, the IP does not give a block history. If I block and unblock will that fix it? - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 13:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The easiest way is to look at the last 24 hours of the ipblocklist for the name of the blocked user. If there is an autoblock, it will show there. I couldn't find one, so it probably has already expired. --cesarb 13:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The thing is, you won't ever see that IP, you'll see a special mask, i.e #456856. But, you can hand unblock the IP and it will have the same effect. Just go to the unblock page and enter the IP in the field; it will be unblocked even if the block was an autoblock. Essjay 01:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

DSM IV TR Criteria Question - Again

The question of using DSM IV TR criteria (as discussed here and http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Narcissistic_personality_disorder ) is again arising on http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Narcissistic_personality_disorder&action=history.

Chad Thompson of the apa ( CThompson@psych.org ) already refused permission in December, it was decided to play safe and go with a link before the APA got mad and started going over the whole of Misplaced Pages with a fine tooth comb and issuing writs.

If I owned Misplaced Pages I would take a stand against them on this, but I don't, and am having to revert edits I actually believe in to accord with concensus and the wishes of the APA who own the copyright. This next will be the second revert I make today.

Somebody please advise? --Zeraeph 13:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Deeceevoice

This user is showing "contempt of court" for the recent ArbCom ruling regarding her behavior, and has deleted the ruling unread from her talk page, an annoying tactic she does to anybody she doesn't like. Perhaps a ban is in order? *Dan T.* 13:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it is justified for those particular actions, but please pay attention to her and if she does engage in the kind of attacks she has made in the past, please enforce the personal attack parole she is on. Fred Bauder 13:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

She has, and I've blocked her for 48 hours accordingly ("Don't bore me with your simplistic/idiotic assumptions", "Jayjg an abrasive, notorious POV warrior"). My personal view is that Deeceevoice should be made to acknowledge the ArbCom ruling if she wishes to continue editing here. We might as well ban her outright if she's just going to ignore it, and save ourselves the hassle. — Matt Crypto 18:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

To add further, Deeceevoice has stated: "I am no longer contributing new information to any articles on this website" and "an earlier post of someone notifying me of the ArbCom's "ruling" was deleted without having been read. They have no authority I am obliged to respect, IMO, none which merits respect". While I will follow the provisions given by ArbCom, I personally don't see why we should give this user any more chances, given the above. — Matt Crypto 18:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

If she violates the terms of it, block her. She doesn't have to respect ArbCom, but she does have to follow their rules- plain and simple. Ral315 (talk) 18:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/194.154.22.36

Wreggles, perhaps in the Manchester area. Block please, trail of schoolboy vandalism. Midgley 14:10, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It's a shared IP address for loads of UK schools. Secretlondon 19:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I made a report to their abuse address, about the same time. Midgley 16:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

For future reference, you may wish to use WP:AIV to request administrator attention against vandalizing. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Midgley 16:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Mao Zedong political war

The Mao Zedong article seems to have attracted the attention of a non-registered user who switches IP addresses (history looks like a group, but the edits come in series, and the style is pretty consistent), editing it to "clarify some ubiquitous rumors commonly used by antimaoists" and the "revert the CIA propaganda" Editing history. I can't call it outright vandalism, but to my non-expert eyes, it's pretty clearly political, not NPOV, not attributed, of poor quality, and should be reverted. I tried once, but since he's not giving up, and since I'm neither a Mao specialist, nor interested in getting into a revert war, I'm going to alert the admins here, and bow out. GRuban 14:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Any possibility you could put Mao Zedong under the same "As a result of recent vandalism, editing of this page by new or anonymous users is temporarily disabled. Changes can be discussed on the talk page, or you can request unprotection." protection as Jack Abramoff?

It's hardly been edited - a handful of times from IPs today - and we don't semi protect for edit disputes. Secretlondon 16:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Still going on, though not involving me. It's clearly one guy with a "CIA is sensering the internet" bee in his bonnet. If he had an account, people could talk to him, and find a compromise, since he doesn't, it's kind of hard. GRuban 14:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

SchmuckyTheCat ban on Queensway

I have found STC to be in violation of his probation with his editing on this page. Per my notice to him on his talk page:

I have banned you from editing this page for violating your probation with this edit, that change has been previously contested, you changed it without discussion and a misleading edit summary of "fix rdr" (implying something was broken when its merely contested). Previously contested changes to articles should be discussed and consensus achieved before you change them.

--Wgfinley 15:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

category: living people

While I personally find this cat to be insipid, what is the policy on it? Is an edit which reverts its addition to be reverted? aa v 15:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted as he's clearly still alive. Secretlondon 16:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

For the policy on it, see Category:Living people. --Fastfission 17:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I see every reason to believe both serious and casual users can and will benefit from Category:Living people and its opposite, Category:Dead people. Entire websites are devoted to answering that age-old question, "hey, I wonder if (FitB) is dead or alive?" More to the question, I would try a dialogue with the reverter and ask if there was a specific reason therefor. :) RadioKirk talk to me 18:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

If we have a dead people category, are we getting rid of the death-by-year categories? Phil Sandifer 20:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I personally wouldn't see any reason; a research tool is a research tool :) RadioKirk talk to me 20:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Death-by-year cats should be subcategories of Dead people (rather, subcats of the decade, which is a subcat of the century, which is a subcat of deaths by year, which is a subcat of Dead people). Category:Dead people isn't on any actual articles. -- Jonel | Speak 21:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yet, I presume. Whoever's been adding the living people cat may be doing one at a time ;) RadioKirk talk to me 21:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

209.175.47.158

209.175.47.158 has been vandalizing many articles, even though he/she has been warned. Sophy's Duckling 19:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

IP has been blocked several times. Per whois.illinois.net, external47-158.cps.k12.il.us is Chicago Public Schools, primary level. RadioKirk talk to me 19:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked again -GTBacchus 19:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

For future reference, you may wish to use WP:AIV to request administrator attention against vandalizing. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

User:PhilSandifer

This user is not me, and I have blocked him indefinitely because of that. Phil Sandifer 19:49, 7 February th2006 (UTC)

If he promises to be you in the future, can we unblock him? -GTBacchus 19:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I feel like that would be wikistalking. Phil Sandifer 20:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Similarly, I just indef blocked User:Dustimagic is a Nazi!!!!!!!!!!!. Apparently there is a User:Dustimagic who's a RC patroller. · Katefan0/poll 20:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

For future reference, you may wish to use either the {{imposter}} template or {{usernameblock}} message to mark either imposters or inappropriate usernames. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I might, but that requires keeping track of even more templates, and I refuse to do that. Phil Sandifer 22:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL. -- Netoholic @ 21:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

There's good reason Snowspinner created WP:TFD ... - David Gerard 00:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

ZOMG Userpage edit war

Admins holding an edit war over a userpage? Ouch! Who dares protect?

-- Kim Bruning 21:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Already protected by Matt_Crypto (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Also, to everyone involved: 1). You shouldn't have to edit someone else's user page. 2). Alex Linder is not going to sue, or be at all concerned, most likely, for being referred to as a Nazi, considering the fact that he's an anti-Semitic asshole. 3). There are far more important things that you could be doing.--Sean Black 21:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Let's hope that, at least, this doesn't lead to yet another episode in the wheel-warring novel... Phædriel ♥ - 21:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I protected in the hope that it would encourage these admins not to do that, but it's been unprotected again. — Matt Crypto 22:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

WARNING: I am blocking anyone else who wants to revert war. This is not acceptable admin behavoir, even a newbie would get warned and possibly blocked for this.Voice of All 21:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I certainly agree, but why did you unprotect? Just because admins can bypass protection doesn't make it right to do so, and I think edit warring on a protected page is a particularly egregious violation. -Greg Asche (talk) 22:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I've no idea what some people are playing at. Kindly go and do something productive people. Secretlondon 22:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, I initially removed this because it accused Igor Alexander, the founder of Misplaced Pages Review, as being the Nazi Alex Linder. When I was reverted (using admin rollback), I was not contacted in anyway, nor was an edit summary given. I then rolled back the revert due to the lack of information as to why it occured, and asked why the admin who reverted me did so. I've taken no further part in this other than to ask why people are using admin rollback on non-vandalism edits (I consider reverting non-vandalism edits without edit summaries to be vandalism itself). However, I am curious as to why people keep reinstating an statement calling someone a Nazi (especially without proof). I can only think of a few worse insults. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes...the rollbacks where highly inappropriate. Give reasons if you are reverted (or someone else making the same edit). Here is my idea on this: Wheel-warriors should be blocked, and if anyone unblocks a blocked wheel warrior, then NO ONE will re-block, but instead will report it to Jimbo.Voice of All 22:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

For the record, immediately after my reversion, I left a note discussing the page on the person who rolled back my edits' talk page. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Talrias, please try to be more accurate with your use of terms. It would be more accurate to say that you find reverting non-vandalism edits sans summaries to be unacceptable, not that it is vandalism, I hope. --Improv 22:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It is unacceptable, yes. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

If you find the use of rollback unacceptable, you should not have used rollback to re-instate your edit. If you find it acceptable for you to modify other people's user pages (especially ones you have a history of conflict with) you should not have your user page protected. If you have a problem with people reverting before they talk, then you should have talked to me before you rolled back my reversion to your initial edit. To begin with, if you found El_C's page disturbing you should have asked him to change it - he's on a break, but who knows what that means. Guettarda 22:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Quite simply, if you think it wrong to user rollback in that case, then your actions were intentionally wrong. I did not think it wrong to use rollback on your edit to El_C's page, because, as a person who was in conflict with him recently, it looks like you meant to kick him when he's down. Which is unacceptable. Guettarda 22:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Guettarda, I don't find the use of rollback unacceptable - otherwise I would never have drafted a proposal such as Misplaced Pages:Requests for rollback privileges. My user page is not protected. In fact, it was recently edited by an anonymous contributor. I can't respond to the rest of your comment, as it is based on incorrect information. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Reversions and extra edits

I've come across a peculiar situation on this article page: Apollo moon landing hoax accusations - it seems that 20 hours of reversions have been taking place on the article. When I protected the page, to my surprise, two other administrators came by and edited the page and changed a significant amount of content on it. Based on a comment on the talk page, I've reverted back to the original page which I protected in the interests of fairness. However, as a result, I would feel more comfortable if someone else were to look at this situation so I can step aside from it. Many thanks! --HappyCamper 21:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that was me, not paying attention. Sorry, won't happen again. Tom Harrison 22:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Tom, you are one of the most professional Wikipedians I have met in recent memory. I'd like to mention in passing and . Well, it looks like someone else (Katefan0) might be helping out, so I guess all is well! :-) --HappyCamper 02:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Music of Nigeria

Page has been vandalized more than 25 times in the past hour and 15 minutes. Why doesn't an admin just protect it, and just ignore the rule about not protecting pages linked from the main page. It is vandalized by the same vandal over and over, with a different username. Pepsidrinka 22:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Requests for page protection should go to WP:RfPP; also, I urge administrators not to protect the page. Please see User:Raul654/protection. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I semi-protected the page before I saw it was linked from the front page. I would suggest looking at the recent edit history before unblocking. (but feel free to do so). Eugene van der Pijll 22:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sympathetic, but they shouldn't be semiprotected. Hoping you won't be offended, but I've lifted the protection. Rather, I added the article to my watchlist and will help revert and hand out blocks if needed. · Katefan0/poll 22:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Not offended, I was just going to unprotect it myself. There was a similar attack on Costa Rica presidential elections, 2006 earlier, which also stopped after it was semi-protected for a few minutes. I would suggest that a short block like that is useful in these cases. According to User:Raul654/protection the page should not be protected because Vandalism is cleaned up very quickly, often in only a couple of minutes, but in this case the page was vandalised litterally once a minute for over half an hour... Eugene van der Pijll 22:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, clearly a bot attack. Seems possibly GNAA-related? Could be wrong. Anyway, SP long enough to turn the bot off was a good call. · Katefan0/poll 22:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It has started at the Costa Rican page again. I've semi-protected that one; will unprotect in a few minutes. Eugene van der Pijll 23:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

When this keeps up, is there anything else we can do? Can we find out the IP range of the (presumed) bot? Reverting more than once a minute is not good, but having to semi-protect pages every 15 minutes is not a good solution either. Eugene van der Pijll 23:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, so much for that. It's obviously a bot attack. I was goign to re-SP but Splash beat me to it. I've left a message for David Gerard to see if he can checkuser and do something to foil the originating IP. · Katefan0/poll 23:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I protected the Costa Rica page at 23:04; the Nigeria page was vandalised at 23:05. Both are protected now, so I wonder how long it will take him now to start on another page. I'll keep an eye on the Main Page's "related changes". Sigh. Eugene van der Pijll 23:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Sino-German cooperation (1911-1941) apparently. I won't protect it; he will just move to another page anyway... Eugene van der Pijll 23:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

We've been watching this all afternoon (we've jokingly begun calling the vandal the "Rapture vandal" as much of the early vandalism involved the phrase "Misplaced Pages will meet it's maker"). I had a checkuser run earlier and placed a rangeblock; unfortunately, it's an AOL/Netscape range, and I've had to pull it. Simple blocks won't do, as the accounts are throwaways (one edit and they get a new one), and page protection is useless, as they just move on to another page. All we can do is continue to revert until they get tired. Essjay 01:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

In that case, the bot should be pointed to Template:User its2 ;) RadioKirk talk to me 13:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Semiprotection of Wikify template

Due to some nasty vandalism, {{wikify}} has been semiprotected. Other admins should feel free to lift it when they feel the threat has passed as I'm off to bed now. David | Talk 00:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I've had enough

...of this issue and being singled out for accusations of wrongdoing here. I'd block the user for making a personal attack but I'd only be accused of "misuse of administrative powers" as the user puts it. Someone else needs to keep a watch on this because after going through my watchlist today I'll be on wikibreak. Thank you. -- Francs2000 02:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked for 24 hours for that friendly display of blatant personal attacks but I suggest that people keep an eye on this IP as well as the article and Franc2000's talk page just in case. Jtkiefer ---- 02:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Dschor

Despite the fact that I have stayed out of the userbox debate so far and for the most part plan on continuing to do so I would just like to note that I removed two {count them 2) userboxes from Dschor's userpage. The first was a blatant attack against Interiot, the second one was against Kelly Martin. I couldn't give a damn about the other templates but I will not (and have stated as such on his talk page) stand by while other editors are attacked. I have warned him not to replace those attack userboxes and have told him that if it takes getting an injunction from Jimbo himself I will do everything in my power to make sure he does not attack other editors. Jtkiefer ---- 02:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

He's about to be banned by the ArbCom (by a mixture of injunction and remedy), so hopefully the problem will go away. -Splash 03:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

If he replaces them, I think removing them and protecting the page would be appropriate. I wouldn't do it myself since I previously blocked him for creating {{user oppose Kelly Martin}}, the substituted version of which you just removed. If possible, I'd like to avoid blocking him while his RfA is ongoing (unless he were to violate his injunction, of course). — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Since his injunction allows him to edit his user and talk pages it wouldn't be a direct violation of his injunction to put them back but I agree that if he does the best remedy probably is a revert/reprotect combo. Jtkiefer ---- 03:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Note that if he insists on doing blockable things on the pages he is allowed to edit, he can still contact the AC by email if necessary - David Gerard 16:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that Dshor was under the prerequisites of an indefinite block. If that's so, It really shouldn't matter, as the only avalible page at his disposal is his talk page.-Zero 16:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

He is, he's only unblocked so that it's easier for him to contribute to the arbcom case. If he restores the attack templates though I think he should be indef. blocked and then he could still contribute via his talk page or via email. Jtkiefer ---- 17:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer that Dschor's link to my homepage not be seen as a blatant attack. The link was added as the final edit in a string of back-and-forth edits . I added 100% of the text to his page, and Dschor only added the link. My edit (the third) was done in more of a joking mood, and I was pleased to see the fourth edit turn out to be something that didn't seem to escalate the situation. I don't particularly care whether the box is included or removed from Dschor's page, but I would prefer that its history not be involved in any future increase in tension. --Interiot 18:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Donate to Misplaced Pages

I've just blocked Donate to Misplaced Pages (talk · contribs) for an inapropriate username, but I'm off to bed now (I'm on UTC), can someone keep an eye out for any autoblocks resulting from this. Cheers, Thryduulf 03:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Could this user be related to the Bank of Misplaced Pages (talk · contribs) sockpuppets created by Iasson (talk · contribs)? Ral315 (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it; look at his sole contribution. What Iasson wrote was often held to be nonsense, but not patent nonsense.Septentrionalis 19:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Hasty Pudding Theatricals

A user is having a serious edit war with User:140.247.155.84 and I gave unclear instructions on the Help desk. Dr Debug (Talk) 06:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I blocked all of the offending IPs for 24 hours. --Golbez 06:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Dhommo

Dhommo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), apparently a sockpuppet of blocked Wik (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), is causing disruption at Bat Ye'or. Previously, he used sockpuppets Dhimmi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Dhummy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), both blocked now. Pecher 08:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Where do you get the connection to Wik from? Secretlondon 11:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Jayjg dealt with the issue yesterday . Pecher 11:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Without any evidence being given, with those two having LOTS of history, and with Jayjg having been a controversial editor on Jewish topics. Come on - someone else could have done it. People should recuse if they are involved, always. Secretlondon 12:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Not sure why this is a Jewish topic. Anyway, could you run an IP address check? Pecher 12:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I really don't see that as being an issue here, and an address check is almost certainly a waste of time. I'm just switching {user} to {vandal} above, but I checked it this morning and it is very clear that the three (Dhommo, Dhimmi and Dhummy) are one and the same. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 12:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

They appear to be the same per checkuser (same dialup block), but IP matches are really secondary evidence - the editing style is the same - David Gerard 15:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok - thanks. Secretlondon 16:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Y'know, Wik could be such a fantastically productive and wonderful editor if he could just stop ... being a dick. If he stopped being a dick and told the AC he was going to stop being a dick and stuck to it, he'd be welcomed back as the prodigal son. Really - David Gerard 00:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Paulo Fontaine and Barbara Osgood

Could somebody please tell me WTF is going on with Paulo_Fontaine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Barbara_Osgood (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? They keep interleaving edits to the same articles, sometimes Osgood revertes nonsense inserted by Fonatine, other times she adds to it, and the comment on her Talk page about Fontaine is downright confusing. Fontaine keeps popping up as different people (e.g. Paul_Fountain (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) and his edit pattern is invariably to work through a series of minor edits through nonsense to creation of a hoax article. I am completely bemused. I strongly suspect it's or more students (Fontaine is operating out of the University of the West of England, as I found out yesterday) playing silly buggers. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 12:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

New Huaiwei Block

I have blocked Huaiwei for two weeks effective immediately, he just came off a one week block in the past few days. Per my notice on his talk page:

You are blocked for two weeks for violation of your parole effective immediately. Specifically, causing disruptions in articles, reverting without discussion on talk pages and continued edit warring. The following edits in question are the cause for this block, will be posted on AN/I, your block log and in your current arbitration case. You can still contribute to your arbitration case by using your talk page.

Disruption of Wikiproject Airports

Continued barbs in edit summary in lieu of discussion on talk page

I'm certain there is more for me to post here but this will do. Your continued edit warring, causing disturbances and methods of editing continue to violate your probation.

As always this has been noted in the block log on his probation page.

--Wgfinley 13:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Donation trolling

On Talk:General Medical Council one editor editing under a few different usernames is making an enormous fuss, including threatening to influence others with regard to donation to Misplaced Pages. Is this in itself a blockable offense? JFW | T@lk 13:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I would be inclined to ignore the campaigning, inasmuch as there is nothing that the editor would like more than attention. Refactor comments not directly related to the article into their own section if they get to be too much of a nuisance, and consider archiving them. The personal attacks on Jfdwolff and others are over the line, however, and if they persist would warrant a block. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it's amusing how consistent POV pushers are: they are always the injured innocent, victims of a conspiracy by the establishment that prevents their voice being heard, champions of the emergent truth which will shortly - any day now! - bring the establishment to its knees in abject shame. And always it is Misplaced Pages's role to lead the charge against an obstinate and disbelieving world, and editors and yet the noble aim of the project is betrayed by editors and admins who oppose them by slavish insistence on precisely the kinds of evidence the establishment bias prevents them from producing and which Misplaced Pages is supposed to rectify. It's a remarkably consistent pattern, isn't it? - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 19:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

This comment should be added to some project page. It describes them perfectly. --cesarb 19:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

"Misplaced Pages does not lead the charge against an obstinate and disbelieving world"? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 07:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I came here specifically to be obstinate and disbelieving! --Aaron 08:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

JzG got it in a nutshell. I have indeed seen similar patterns on Talk:Cancer, Talk:Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, Talk:Simon Wessely etc etc.

I would be obliged if someone could do a brief civility block of 86.134.167.39 (talk · contribs). This user has insinuated mental illness in myself, been calling various names not worth repeating, and is a general nuisance. JFW | T@lk 21:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The inexcusable behaviour has not resumed from that address after the anon received a warning on his talk page, so it may not be necessary. The address is from BT and probably rotated among a large pool of users; from a practical standpoint the block probably wouldn't hit the right person now. If he comes back and can't keep a civil tongue in his head, I'd support an immediate block. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 00:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Braaad

This individual is behind at least 2 blocked sock puppets, has now returned, and is harassing again. I also suspect he's added another sock puppet, for which I've put in a CheckUser request. At the very least, he is violating WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA and is vandalizing with his edit summaries. Again. McNeight 16:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Ryan Delaney

Ryan Delaney, one of the non-elected, non-ratified, self-appointed "clerks", has been maliciously deleting parts of people's statements at WP:RFAR. This is excessively misleading and highly disruptive. By deleting the statements he is deleting, results in the case appearing to be quite something else, and I would like someone to put a stop to him doing so, if possible. Thanks, --Victim of signature fascism | help remove electoral corruption 18:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Could you provide some evidence of this, please? —bbatsell ¿? 18:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that nobody even bother dealing with this blatant trolling. Ril has been trying to scuttle the clerks idea since the beginning by any means possible and this is just another one of his little attempts to do so. Jtkiefer ---- 19:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Ryan Delaney is deleting threaded unsectined replies to statements that amount to "coloring outside the lines". They are being deleted becuase they are misplaced and are therefore themselves misleading. Robert McClenon 19:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Ryan Delaney ("Tough luck") is incorrect in that. One does not delete comments. One moves them. If one feels that they are inappropriate, then move them to a user space or a separate page and leave a link. If I know that, then surely a Clerk will know that. If the clerk does know that, then one wouldn't be too far out in assuming intent. Geogre 00:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Note: I disagree thoroughly with clerks giving summaries. I'm sure that that will mean that I, too, "have been trying to scuttle the clerks idea." In a world without nuance, much less reading skills, anyone who disagrees with a part must be without credibility. Clerk away, but let's not impose summarizers. Geogre 00:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

You realise of course that skill with summaries was precisely why Snowspinner and Tony Sidaway were picked for the job ... in any case, anyone can provide a summary, 'clerk' or not - David Gerard 08:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

"Were picked?" I love that passive. They "were picked" by whom? Who is it who decided that their skills with summaries was what tipped the balance and that these two people could and should be imposed on litigants with whom they might have personal history? Also, in another great straw man, you say that "anyone can provide a summary," but, if that's so, why is there an official summary by the clerk? Why is the clerk writing a special summary on a page that the litigants can't write to? Why invent a special function for a special position, if it's something anyone can do? Like I said, it's a world without nuance or reading skills. Geogre 12:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

By the AC, fairly obviously. Tony Sidaway particularly impressed the 2005 AC in his summarising of the Baku Ibne case (the evidence was completely incoherent beforehand). In Snowspinner's case, also by Jimbo. Because then they have it as a specified job that they've volunteered to fulfil. Further questions welcome insofar as I can answer. If you could attempt to assume slightly better faith, that'd be nice too - David Gerard 13:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Assume better faith? That's somewhat hilarious. The first time I brought up the structural problems of clerks writing summaries, you attacked my judgment. Ryan Delaney (remember him) said that it was "tough luck." Jtkiefer said "tough luck." So, basically, if you demonstrated better faith, that would be very nice as well. What you are not saying is "by the old AC fairly obviously." What you are also not saying is "many members of which are now troubled by this function." What you are also not saying is, "And several users have objected to me, in particular, and how I have pretended to speak for the Board." What you are also not saying is "And these particular people have already been accused of bias." And what else you are not saying is "And I keep saying that there is no change while I say that there has to be a status to the summary." I'm glad that you are not presenting summaries, David, if your attempt at seizing the high rhetorical ground here is an example of your presentation of an issue. Keep the clerks. Have fun wearing tiaras and adding lines to your CV's, but don't impose summaries that are "official" on people who don't agree to them. I've offered a solution that satisfies all the needs and imposes none of the risks, but, unfortunately, it doesn't allow three or four greedy people to grab more power, so they oppose it. (For those who never saw it due to the every-10-minutes-archiving-the-page, the solution is quite, quite simple: have the present ArbCom select ten to twenty editors with good writing skills and temperament, and then allow the disputants to pick the person who summarizes his or her evidence. That way, we don't feed the trolls.) Geogre 14:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Even with the best of intentions summaries will always be colored by the perceptions of the person writing them. In the 'pedophile wheel war' case the summary described supporters of an action in a particular discussion as "many" and opponents as "some"... when the actual numbers were 6 supporters and 19 opponents, and a few of those supporters later reversed themselves. Now, is this evidence of 'malicious intent' by the clerks? No. Most of the supporters chimed in immediately and thus appeared in a group at the top of the discussion... the opponents grew as people looked into the situation and started pointing out details which had not been considered (thus causing some of the supporters to later switch). It would be easy for the summary writer to, at a quick glance, mistakenly assume the strong support at the top of the discussion to have been carried throughout... even without the possibility of assuming a particular view prevalent if it happened to match their own. This isn't a big deal if someone can just comment on the summary and note the discrepancy... but for that reason such summaries should not be placed on the main arbitration page or the 'proposed decision' page where edits by others are discouraged or prohibitted. Put them on 'evidence' or 'workshop' and allow everyone to comment. If the comments are clearly of little relevance then move them to the associated talk page. Summaries are good, but care must be taken for them to be as impartial as possible and objections to any characterizations therein must be given serious consideration. --CBD _☎ 13:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, certainly. But also please remember the AC aren't stupid. The summaries will be noted, and if the clerk's summary isn't good then (this being a wiki) people will weigh in! And the AC (and clerks) will give that due consideration too. The clerks don't do direct opinion dumps into the AC's brains - David Gerard 15:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Adding their own summary is quite different from deleting someone else's. One is fairly acceptable, the other is not whatsoever. --Victim of signature fascism 23:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

There were some problems with the original summary. These were outlined by an editor in a discussion on User talk:Radiant! and (although I have recused myself from the case now because of a related action) I understand that the errors have now been fixed. --Tony Sidaway 18:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Violation of probation?

I think User:Ted Wilkes is now continuing edit warring and, together with User:Wyss as it seems, still harassing me. For their behavior, see the following Misplaced Pages pages: Talk:Nick Adams, Memphis Mafia, Talk:Memphis Mafia, Boze Hadleigh, etc. In my opinion, this may be a violation of the arbcom probation order which says that "Ted Wilkes and Wyss are banned from making any edit related to a person's alleged homosexuality or bisexuality." . On the Talk:Nick Adams page, Wilkes again goes as far as to call me a "convicted liar" which is certainly a personal attack and unacceptable. See . On the Memphis Mafia page, he has added a fabricated text to my direct quote from Peter Guralnick's book, Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley. In the book, the original passage reads:

"Nick Adams and his gang came by the suite all the time, not to mention the eccentric actor Billy Murphy, longtime friend of John Wayne and Robert Mitchum..." See

Ted Wilkes's version reads:

"Nick Adams and his gang (roommate Dennis Hopper, Russ Tamblyn, Red West) came by the suite all the time, not to mention the eccentric actor Billy Murphy, longtime friend of John Wayne and Robert Mitchum ..." See .

This is of much importance, as another source, namely Rona Barrett's autobiography, Miss Rona (1974), says that "Nick had become the companion to a group of salacious homosexuals." It seems as if Ted Wilkes, with such additions, tries to obscure the impression that the members of Adams's gang were homosexual. Wilkes has also repeatedly deleted two external links to websites concerning the Memphis Mafia, presumably because the content of these sites is not in line with his personal view. See . He only accepts hyperlinks to external personal webpages he likes. This is POV and not O.K. Perhaps some administrators may have a look at the related pages. Thank you. Onefortyone 19:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

RESPONSE: Onefortyone's continued misrepresentations to deceive Misplaced Pages Administrators and fabrications and another violation of his probation:

Misplaced Pages Mentor FCYTravis removed this Rona Barrett reference from the Nick Adams article as per his Revision as of 19:56, 6 December 2005 here. FCYTravis then informed Onefortyone of his deletion and his reasons on the Talk:Nick Adams page on 20:40, 6 December 2005 as seen here

I worked with FCYTravis to achieve a consensus and the last edit to the Nick Adams article by Misplaced Pages Mentor FCYTravis was on 02:01, 8 December 2005. However, Onefortyone waited a few hours then disdainfully ignored his Misplaced Pages Mentor and violated his Misplaced Pages:Probation and reinserted it in this Revision as of 04:33, 8 December 2005 - Ted Wilkes 22:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Truth be told, Ted, you should have mentioned that, before he made his statement, administrator FCYTravis had repeatedly reinserted the Rona Barrett quote together with some other quotes frequently deleted by you at that time (December 2005). See your own statement here. On 8 December, this administrator only said that he had removed the quote from Rona Barrett because he "didn't think it adds anything." About two hours later, I reinserted it together with an additional quote which now made more sense. FCYTravis was online at the time when I included the additional source. As there was no further discussion about the matter, there can be no doubt about the fact that he accepted my contribution. It should also be mentioned that my version is still included in the article. Onefortyone 00:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Another instance of Onefortyone violating his probation and defying his Misplaced Pages Mentor

In the article Elvis and Me, Onefortyone inserted text that was deliberately taken out of context from completely different parts of the book and on different subjects entirely. And, after deleting key words that would reveal his fabrication, Onefortyone merged them to create a completely false impression of what author Priscilla Presley had written.

On the Talk:Elvis and Me Misplaced Pages Mentor FCYTravis agreed, stating in his Revision as of 19:19, November 13, 2005 here "I agree that inserting those out-of-context passages in that section is not helpful to the reader and potentially misleading."

Again, Onefortyone waited for time to pass then on 23:46, December 24, 2005 he defied his Misplaced Pages Mentor and reinserted and again did it in an out-of-context position to mislead and change the entire factual meaning to suit his agenda. - Ted Wilkes 15:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Truth be told, Ted, you are the person who has added fabricated passages to the text. You have repeatedly included the words "Pentecostal", "virginity" and "slut" in the Elvis and Me article, thereby deleting the direct quotes from the book I had inserted (see ). The fact is that these words nowhere appear in Priscilla Presley's book, as an Amazon search proves. See , and . Therefore, I rewrote the said paragraph which included the correct quotes for many weeks. Now you are continuing edit warring, Ted, as you have reinserted your fabricated version of the text and removed another paragraph including critical remarks by Suzanne Finstad about Prescilla Presley's book (see ) which certainly belong to the Elvis and Me article. It seems as if you are trying to suppress critical remarks about one of your favorite books. This is not acceptable and not NPOV. Onefortyone 23:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Nibby

Nibby (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), declaring himself to be Willy on Wheels, just popped up vandalizing user talk pages only to find himself smacked down almost immediately by myself, Pgk, and BorgQueen. howcheng {chat} 19:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, he hit me just after I put up my manifesto

Guess he's opposed to it :-) Karmafist 20:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I will have to admit his vandalism was relatively innovative one :-D I protected his talk page because he has messed with it as well: "There is more to come!" --BorgQueen 20:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Zephram Stark sockpuppet

This one's pretty obvious: Mr. Stark (talk · contribs) --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 20:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh definitely. Good block. --Deathphoenix 21:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:HaleyBaley

HaleyBaley (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), also declared himself to be Willy on Wheels . -- Ianblair23 (talk) 20:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely by Curps. --Deathphoenix 20:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Country under attack; semi-protected

I just semi-protected {{Infobox Country}} because it is under a vandalism attack by a user (or more) who likes to add penis images to the template. Because this is a high visibility template, I thought it better not to add {{semiprotected}}, but feel free to add it if you think it's a good idea. Or maybe it could be added without being transcluded or something, but I don't know that wizardry.

I blocked 129.71.62.4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) for one week for this, because I assume it is the same person as 68.211.42.75 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), who has been blocked for the same kind of vandalism by Thames yesterday, and 212.138.113.13 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), who vandalized five minutes earlier and was warned for it by Jacoplane. Maybe that one ought to be blocked, too. Please let me know if you think the block is too long or unjustified. I think I'll un-protect the template tomorrow. — mark ✎ 21:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I added the semiprotected template, but marked it with <noinclude></noinclude>, so it won't appear in articles using {{Infobox Country}}. Canderson7 21:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Upon reading this message by 129.71.62.4 at Curps's talk, I think one week is justified; and I'll gladly give one week to every other IP that displays that same pattern. — mark ✎ 21:37, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The risk of collatoral damage is very high with a 1 week block. Do we know it's a static IP? Secretlondon 21:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

{{User paedo}}

I have deleted this template. It was created by SPUI (talk • contribs) and is clearly nothing but trolling. I know it's a joke, but it is not funny in the current climate. It is, in fact, blatantly out of place. So shoot me. Sam Korn 21:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Clearly an act of blatent trolling. Please feel free to speedy delete any more infringements to the integrity of wikipedia. I also suggest a slap on the risk for this action (Although a block seems more warrented).-Zero 21:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

SPUI also went ahead and did this. — TheKMan 22:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

*yawn* Secretlondon 22:15, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps SPUI should have a brief time out. User:Zoe| 03:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

He was blocked for an hour over the template-trolling, and ArbCom are looking to include him the general Pedophilia case. Physchim62 (talk) 03:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

page-move vandalism - needs checking

Robin Williams (talk · contribs) moved some pages and was blocked. However, his page moves seemed somewhat confusing. I hope that I didn't break anything. --Ixfd64 23:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

GreatBarrington is harrassing other users

GreatBarrington (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is harrassing other users (see here), saying such things as "I know the Misplaced Pages rules like the back of my hand, so you should know that I'll never do anything that could allow me to get kicked off" and "You've earned a spot on my watchlist. ... Don't worry---we'll be in touch." (which sounds almost like a threat). I don't know exactly what this person's purpose on Misplaced Pages is but it certainly doesn't seem to be in good faith. He might be worth keeping an eye on. See the rest of his contribs ... it's pretty much just more of the same, telling people to "watch out". --Cyde Weys 00:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Also, another user has identified him as a very likely sockpuppet of Theblacklarl. I'd request a Check User, but it's been moving so slowly for awhile now it doesn't seem worth it. --Cyde Weys 00:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Apart from the continuing personal attacks he has also continuously taken down his sockpuppet notice (though he's stopped short at violating WP:3RR ) and vandalised the user pages of Cyde and myself in retaliation. He has also brought this to this noticeboard himself (see 'This will be short and sweet' below) - why he thinks that further scrutiny will do him any good I can't imagine. --Malthusian (talk) 13:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:AN

help! we've been hacked! and they deleted our noticeboard to prevent us from organizing a resistance!--Helllo 00:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I nearly had a cow. Deletion log shows that Sean Black (IIRC) deleted temporarily to remove personal information. With over 16,000 revisions, it'll take him a while. Hermione1980 00:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. For future reference, please try to refrain from deleting pages with large page histories (such as this and George W. Bush); the deletion and restoration causes a huge strain on the servers. Instead, contact a developer directly, who can instead remove the edit from the database directly. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Either that, or we might need to stop using large pages that we can't maintain eh? Kim Bruning 01:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Quiet, you! =) -Lanoitarus .:. 07:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Also a good note: When the page has far too many revisions to easily undelete, the best move is to undelete the bad revisions first, move them elsewhere, and then delete. Then, you can just undelete all the remaining revisions in one fell swoop. Essjay 22:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion for change to archiving

Rather than edit the page to archive it, the (bot?) archiver should move it to the archive name, though not move the talk page; then edit to put back the last week's entries. That way the page will be archived, but the history won't be ridiculously long - David Gerard 08:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that the bot archives several days to the same archive page. I suggest, instead, that periodically (once every six months, perhaps), the page be moved to somewhere else (/Historyn) and recreated. --cesarb 15:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Imposter of me that's vandalizing

Tharealest316 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is an imposter of me vandalizing at the article NWo. He is an account created from the IP address 24.86.76.154 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Will someone look into this. File:HIM logo.jpg SWD316 01:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked. And I'll block the IP for vandalising temporarily. Sasquatch t|c 04:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

BCE/BC lame edit war alert

They're at it again, over at List of monarchs of Kush. I'm off to bed, but if they keep reverting could someone please protect the page (in m:The Wrong Version) and remind them not to do that? Thank you, and good night. -GTBacchus 08:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, Chooserr involved. NSLE _(T+C) 08:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking Londoneye

I have unblocked Londoneye having consulted with David Gerard, the blocking admin. The evidence for sock-puppetry proved to be insufficient to justify continuing the block (and frankly I was unable to locate it in any case), so we're going to AGF. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 08:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I believe User:Zordrac/Poetlister is the page that contained the investigation about sockpuppetry. -- Netoholic @ 08:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. On the strength of that page (rampant paranoia on the talk-page notwithstanding), it doesn't look like I've done anything too dreadful, although time will always tell . HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 09:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Nrcprm2026

I am currently in an Image for Deletion discussion with Nrcprm2026 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion/2006 February 9 regarding Image:Former BSA.jpg. On discussing copyright issue relating to commentary and parodies, he made an edit to Misplaced Pages:Logos here, deceptively labeling it as "grammar," but, instead, completely changing the meaning of the sentence.

When I first nominated the image for deletion, he did not assume good faith on my part. He came to my talk page to question my motives; before I could respond, he had removed all deletion tags and struck out my comments on the IfD board for February 9. Based on an edit here and a comment here, he is obviously pushing a very POV agenda here. I hesitate to continue assuming good faith on his part, as I have for the past few hours, given these inflammatory POV edits and their relation to the BSA's stance on homosexuality.

With the combination of inflammatory POV edits and his questionable edit to a Misplaced Pages policy page, I was wondering if an editor knowledgeable of copyright law take a look at the Image for Deletion discussion. His deceptive editing of the text within a fair use policy page also makes me question his motives. I was also wondering if an administrator could take a look at User:Nrcprm2026's edits and recommend a course of action. I will probably not continue to participate in the IfD discussion tonight. Thanks! — Rebelguys2 10:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I've tweaked the paragraph in question, and I think the grammar is now more nearly correct, although there's some complicated sentences in that article: please check that the new wording still says what it should. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 11:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you consider this edit to be evidence of "POV pushing". To me it looks like one of the most sensible things anyone has said during this whole fiasco. Maybe there's some context that I'm missing, but I'd urge you to calm down and assume good faith. It's usually a good idea in any case. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I assumed good faith for hours, even though his first response to my nomination was: "I am intrigued by the motivation behind your nomination of the image in Template:User former BSA for deletion. What is your opinion on the question of whether gays should be allowed to be scouts?" After his editing of a guideline, I am hesitant to continue doing so. — Rebelguys2 15:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I've also stricken one of the diffs I provided; there's no doubt that the first example is that of POV-pushing, however. — Rebelguys2 15:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. The page in question was in a heated edit-war when I got there, with disgruntled students adding unsourced gossip about recent school controversies and experienced editors reverting there work with obtuse and sparse comments. I spent several hours on that article over the past few days, and I stand by the fact that was added to the infobox (as non-disputed and confirmed by secondary sources who were also editors.) It was quickly reverted, and I made no attempt to replace it. The article has been growing steadily, and seems somewhat more stable. As soon as the students find something to say about their faculty, get some better photos, and source their contorversial statments, I intend to remove it from my watchlist. --James S. 17:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

U.S. trademark law

The 1916 Act of congress did not create any copyright interests because the Constitution specifies that copyrights may only be granted for "limited times," and the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) do not claim any copyrights, using the registered trademark (R) symbol alone in conjunction with their logo, and not the (C) symbol.

U.S. law protects the use of trademarks by nonowners for purposes of criticism and commentary. First Amendment considerations override any expressive, noncommercial use of trademarks. "The Constitution is not offended when the antidilution statute is applied to prevent a defendant from using a trademark without permission in order to merchandise dissimilar products or services. ... The Constitution does not, however, permit the range of the antidilution statute to encompass the unauthorized use of a trademark in a noncommercial setting such as an editorial or artistic context." (emphasis added) L.L. Bean, Inc. v. Drake Pubs., Inc., 811 F.2d 26, 31, 33 (1st Cir. 1987).

Similarly, the Federal Trademark Dilution Act of 1995 does not apply to the "noncommercial use" of a famous mark. 15 U.S.C. 1125(c)(4)(B). The U.S. Supreme Court has defined "commercial speech" as "speech which ... propose a commercial transaction." Virginia Pharmacy Ed. v. Virginia Citizens Consumer Council, Inc., 425 U.S. 748, 762 (1976).

The only limit on that right is whether someone might think that the commentary was produced by the trademark owner, and this limit is explicity defined in reference to Boy Scouts. "n author certainly would have a First Amendment right to write about the subject of the Boy Scouts and/or Girl Scouts. However, this right is diluted by trademark law insofar as that author cannot present her subject in a manner that confuses or misleads the public into believing, through the use of one or more trademarks, that those organizations have produced or sponsored the work in question." Girl Scouts of the United States v. Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc., 808 F. Supp. 1112 at 1121, n. 12 (S.D.N.Y. 1992.) --James S. 15:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that this issue is resolved, per my talk page. — Rebelguys2 17:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. --James S. 17:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

This will be short and sweet

I am upset because one user keeps on posting a message on my userpage which accuses me of being a sockpuppet. I am (relatively) new to Misplaced Pages and only recently found out what a sockpuppet is but I am certainly not one. I don't know what to do and don't know what to do to stop this individual. Quite frankly its becoming disturbing. This individual offers no proof but just accusations. Please let me know what to do via messsage through wikipidia preferably. You can see the history of these actions on my user page history. Thank you very much for your time and asisstance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreatBarrington (talk • contribs)

You can also see why GreatBarrington is being accused by checking his own contributions, or for a quick summary check the 'GreatBarrington is harrassing users' section on this very noticeboard. --Malthusian (talk) 14:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd say that the evidence is strong enough to warrant blocking, myself, but I guess I am very jaded about sockpuppets. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 14:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Alexander 007

I've blocked Alexander_007 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for 24 hours for personal attacks against User:Theodore7. I'd appreciate review to make sure this was appropriate. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

seems appropriate to me. there appears to be a pattern of abuse on Alexander 007's talk page.--Alhutch 17:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandal's page moves

• Question: What is the proper procedure for rectifying a vandal's page move? I couldn't find any guidance except to take it to Misplaced Pages:Requested moves, which seems too slow.
• Request: The moves in this case, Kip Thorne → Kip Dent → Wohoo legend, need to be undone by an admin.
• Note: these moves, and another incident of vandalism were done by James James (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log), who, from the look of his history and talk page, has always been a solid citizen. Likely a third party is on his account. ×Meegs 17:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I have reversed the page-move vandalism and blocked James_James (talk · contribs) indefinitely pending an explanation; it really does seem as though his account has been compromised. android79 17:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

When you have a chain of moves such as that, it often works to reverse the chain (if the article was moved a → b → c, you do the moves c → b → a), due to the rules on when moving over a redirect is allowed by the software. I did that in the past, before becoming an admin. When you can't for some reason, asking for help here is probably the best option. --cesarb 19:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, I did not try it that way. ×Meegs 19:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I've unblocked James James; according to a post on his talk page, he was the victim of a prank. I'll be keeping an eye on his contribs in case this is a ruse by the prankster. android79 20:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

And according to an anon who claims to be the real James James, the apology was made by the person who was actually doing the vandalism. The account has been blocked again. User:Zoe| 03:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Basil Rathbone

Pursuant to content disputes on Freemasonry, User:Basil Rathbone has seen fit to repost his uncited and unprovable edits on Freemasonry his userpage, thus violating the policy that userpages are to be about users, and not encyclopedic articles. I would request that the material be removed and a warning issued. MSJapan 18:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It is looking highly likely that this is another sockpuppet of User:Lightbringer, blocked from that article by order of Arbcom. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 22:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It suuure is, per checkuser. Blocked - David Gerard 23:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Is the checkuser evidence available? I was going to add {{SockpuppetProven}} to the userpage when I saw it wasn't already there, but couldn't find the evidence on WP:RFCU. On a tangent, perhaps his personal essay should be removed from the user page per WP:NOT a soapbox. --Malthusian (talk) 23:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser evidence is not made public; it involves IP information that is not publicly disclosed per the privacy policy. It is generally accepted that when a user entrusted with the checkuser function declares the two to be sockpuppets, the community trusts them. Essjay 23:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Especially when stating something which is (a) pretty obvious anyway and (b) exactly what we wanted to hear :-) Just zis  Guy, you know? / 12:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

User: Ewlyahoocom

Help! Lots of page moves, its getting tangled, someone more experienced take a look?

Special:Contributions/Ewlyahoocom

KillerChihuahua 19:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I blocked for 15 minutes to give someone time to look. KillerChihuahua 19:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The rest of the user's recent changes look to be good faith. I am not sure exactly what they are trying to achieve but perhaps they should be unblocked and a request made for an explaination. Cheers TigerShark 20:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The ones prior to 12:46, 7 February 2006 seem to be made in good faith, at which point they went on a move and merge spree, with 250 edits of which a large number are moves or merges, sometimes several layers deep. I want a second opinion. Some of these are very poor choices IMHO. And one move or merge per minute today? Some of the edits seem reasonable, but as I said I am concerned. KillerChihuahua 20:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, no explanation as yet, but apparently decided (after Reverting my revert) to revert themselves... I'm still not terribly happy but it does look like good faith, if non-communicative or consensus, edits. There have been a couple of complaints about the merges also. KillerChihuahua 20:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Correction: second revert of move was reverted by 8bitJake. KillerChihuahua 20:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know that the user has now responded on their talk page Cheers TigerShark 21:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• It's been a few days and I've heard nothing back about this block. May I continue with my edits, or shall I suspend?
• At one point I see I was labeled "non-communicative". For the record I should like it noted that immediately upon being blocked I sent an email to the blocking admin. Their circumstances unfortunately limited their ability to read or respond to it until some 3 hours later ("...I cannot always access my email and it may be a day or two before you receive a reply.")
• Also, what I've been reading suggests that Blocks are usually used as a last resort. In this case a block was used as first or second resort. Was this a fair and proper block? Ewlyahoocom 15:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

More vandals against me

One of my real-life friends gone bad has threated to vandalize Misplaced Pages. He did previously came here to edit a page under the name User:WoWjUnKiE7290. I confronted him in real-life and he said he made several sock-puppet accounts. One of which is blocked indefinantly. Since my friend is only here to make trouble we should block him indefinantly.

The only known accounts I know he made include:

• WoWjUnKiE7290 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Fiodinn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Does anyone else think they should be blocked permanently? File:HIM logo.jpg SWD316 22:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

No, his threat to vandalize is just a threat. I don't think it's a good idea to do pre-emptive banning. If he decides to follow through, that's a different story. howcheng {chat} 07:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet whining about being found out by William M. Connolley

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Basil Rathbone (talk • contribs)

DMr. Connolley has posted a template about suspected sockpuppetry on that account, with a link to some evidence. I did not examine the evidence, but it seems over the top to label this vandalism. Martinp 16:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

As the edit comment sez: I reverted an edit by SeraphimXI; because I couldn't see on what grounds S was editing that page. Note, FWIW, that Basil and S have managed to get Freemasonry protected (oops sorry, mostly BR not S; note BTW that BR is lightbringer, see DG at the other end of this page... why is this section out of order?). William M. Connolley 23:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC).

David blocked Rathbone as a sock of Lightbringer, so alls well. Essjay 23:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Excellent, that was short and sweet. Can I change the title of this section to "Sockpuppet makes false accusations against William M. Connolley? KillerChihuahua 23:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Perfect, Guy - yours was better than my idea. KillerChihuahua 00:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Anon user page attacking other editors

I'm peripherally involved in some of the content disputes related to 86.10.231.219 (talk · contribs), so I'd like some outside opinions on how best to handle this. User:86.10.231.219 contains a number of borderline attacks on a number of editors, particularly targeting Midgley (talk · contribs).

In response to my requests, the anon has toned down a few of his remarks, but I still think it falls short of the standards of WP:NPA, WP:CIV, and WP:AGF. I don't think that attacks on the integrity of other editors are appropriate for any user page, and I generally believe that IP address user pages belong on a very short leash. Anyway, thoughts? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Kill it with fire. Anons don't get userpages; they only get talk pages for our convenience. Essjay 01:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm encouraged that he's toned down his remarks, and must note that the page's first edit was an unconscionable personal attack from Midgley (talk · contribs). fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 02:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

That was wrong, but understandable. As Midgley and I commented elsewhere , I don't think the attacks have toned down, merely shifted into a more sophisticated form: a kind of filibustering and bombastic needling that's highly disruptive. Here's an example:

At least do me the good grace of finding something that approaches a good criticism and worthy of the attention of my highly attuned and intelligent mind than this attempt at allegations of filibustering. Is that clear enough and specific enough (like all the rest I write)? This is an online encyclopedia. It contains words. If you do not want to read words, there are plenty of other pastimes to choose from. The Invisible Anon 17:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Tearlach 12:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

While we're on this topic, could someone have another glance at User:Whaleto, where there's an even more explicit 'hitlist'? This is another user in the same territory, whose virtually every edit now contains some kind of insult or presumption of bias. It continues despite requests to stop on grounds of the personal attack and good faith guidelines. Obvious the long tedious answer is an RfC, but is he doing anything blatant enough to merit admin attention? Tearlach 03:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

The bias here is breathtaking. The medical editors can get away with anything it seems, so I think I am being remarkably restrained considering they delete at will any external links I put in, also any text, along with attempting to delete most of the pages I create. My "hitlist" is just the log of their activities, as shaming them is the only way to curtail their activity, it seems, as no other editor will do anything. To cap it all they deleted a page I created called Vaccine critics, and merged it into the pejorative termed page Anti-vaccinationists, which is taking the mickey I would have thought. To accuse me of being rude to Midgley when he is making a perjorative page to me is bias, I would have thought. You only have to read his page to see he thinks anti-vax are psychotic (his term), which I am sure he believes. You can't be "arsed" (your term) to look into my complaints, as you know you can't do anything anyway, but it doesn't give me much confidence in your bias. john 16:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

The posting above is persistently untrue:-

• The allegation that anti-vaccinationists is a hijacked page called vaccine_critics has been made repeatedly, and I have pointed out that although there was a previous page called vaccine critics this was deleted. Nothing to do with me. I started the page, .
• and expanded it. adding specificlaly that "a subset of the material shades into the appearance of psychosis" . John made an edit to it shortly thereafter , identifying himself by what I've taken as a humourous and even good-natured "Your local psychotic here" which I've made no comment on, nor generally would having not met the patient. There is an example reffered to here with a link on to the New Reformation website (which is actually great fun, and does give an appearance similar to some cardinal signs of psychosis, I write as someone who treats a small number of psychotic patients, and therefore might come from someone psychotic or a group simulating psychosis for their own amusement. (John's writing is not very closely similar, one may have an idée fixée without being mad even in a lay sense)).
• Deleting "his" page and then creating a page on a different topic was not part of a coordinated plan by a coherent group aimed at John. I'm just going to assert that, I can't see how to back it up, other than remarking that the medical editors involved live in different towns, counties, countries and continents, and AFAIK with one exception I don't think I have ever even shared a room with any of the other editors. Technically, vacine critics was not merged into anti-vaccinationists, it was I understand deleted after the usual WP procedure - John often says "delete" when most people would say "edit" or "merge" or "move" or nothing - it is irritating but I assume it is from lack of familiarity with the technology.
• this set of assertions have been repeated by the anonymous IP user referred to above, and by Ombudsman from time to time, despite being demonstrably untrue and that demonstration being provided - they are simply lies, and I object to them. Midgley 11:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

This seems a completely inappropriate use of a user page, particularly one for an anonymous non-password user. I have deleted it and protected against recreation. Physchim62 (talk) 14:17, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The associated Talk: page persists, and currently has very similar contents. Midgley 19:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Please read carefully and do not block me for trying to have a dialogue

(Just posted to Physchim62 (talk))

The remarks which Midgley posted to the Admins Noticeboard ] to persuade you to delete my User page

• were not on my User page
• and they are not even by me
• I have just seen the Admins Noticeboard ]
• a wholly independent editor just posted this regarding Midgley

"Added NPOV Template - this is the most biased entry on wikipedia I have ever seen" ]

• you were tricked into deleting my User page.
• Please therefore do not block me. I am not doing any disrupting.

I am obliged to try and engage you in dialogue before instituting formal procedure regarding the deletion and Midgley's behaviour The Invisible Anon 21:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The Invisible Anon 22:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

User User:137.92.44.214 on John Howard

User:137.92.44.214 repeatedly inserting unsourced info and personal communications with other editors into the article John Howard, despite multiple messages asking him to stop.

See , , , abakharev 03:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked (for) now. Shanes 04:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

This guy hopped on IRC and chatted with me a bit about this. He claimed to be unaware of the existence of talk pages; I asked him to read WP:NPOV and WP:V before doing any more editing. He may have been editing in good faith, but based on the edits made, I'm rather skeptical. android79 05:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Lets AGF, perhaps he is a newbie abakharev 11:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Ban Wimbo_Jales (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

k, thx

Hee hee I beat Curps--Shanel 05:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Gundam Seed Destiny

A user, Danny Lilithborne, has been deleting a large chunk off of the Gundam Seed Destiny section -- mainly, the criticisms section -- presumably due to his favoring the show, as can be seen in his user profile. This threatens the intergrity of the site, as Misplaced Pages should offer a well-rounded viewpoint on topics and not quash unpopular opinions.Leyviur 06:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy and User:Ezeu

User:Ezeu has been verbally abusing other users at Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy. Here is evidence of his behavior:

• - Translation "Damn Danes"
• - Translation "Danish Devils"
• - Removing warning about behavior.

This user is violation WP:POINT and WP:NPA. In addition the attitude is disrupting the process of finding NPOV in the article's talk page. OrangeMan 06:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

He apologized, and he didn't actually remove a warning, he just removed the stop-hand image that went with the warning. Please go a little lighter on the hysterics--Alhutch 07:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

He apologized only after I dropped this into WP:ANI, and there are no hysterics above, just some notes about a conflict I am not involved in, but was made aware of. OrangeMan 07:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

let's all just calm down. Ezeu has stricken his comments on the Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy page, and admitted he was out of line.--Alhutch 07:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Good to see this spurred him to do so, which was my intent. As for "cooling down" I don't see anyone getting hysterical but User:Alhutch... OrangeMan 07:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't be any calmer if I tried :-) Alhutch 07:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Glad to hear it with all your calls for "calm down" and "hysterics" I was beginning to worry you were going to blow out your O-Ring on us!! :-) OrangeMan 07:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that everything appears to be resolved in a satisfactory manner. I suppose the comment about hysterics was sort of hysterical itself, and for that I apologize :-). With all the userbox wars and such these days, I hope we can all stay calm and focus more on writing the encyclopedia. I hope no one's feelings were hurt in this little dispute and I'm glad it was nipped in the bud.--Alhutch 07:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes? OrangeMan 07:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

forget that I said anything about userboxes. You don't want to know!--Alhutch 17:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Image talk:Gaiaonline.png

I've protected and added {{deletedmiscpage}} to this page as since 22 January it's been hit 5 times by a spam bot attempting to add links to other sites (using typical forum syntax markup). Other than this spam bot, the talk page has never been used. What do people recommend doing? Talrias (t | e | c) 10:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

It's hilarious, since apparently the spammer is retarded or something along those lines, given the sheer inability to formal url's. (Pardon the crudeness; I'm aware robots can't help being inflexible, but I've always wanted to say that.) Perhaps +sprotect'ing it will do. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 10:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiTerrorist

WikiTerrorist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) indef-blocked by Tony, WikiTerrorist2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) popped up this morning and immediately vandalised so Tony indef-blocked that as well. Further reincarnations seem likely. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 12:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Looking at their contributions, they've had a unrelenting obsession with the articles I seem involved in, paticulary the Mega Man Zero article. It's very plausible they have a personal vendetta on me, as I researched, and I found they oringinate from my school's IP. I've no doubt they'll return. However, the Socksniffers will be here when that happens. -Zero 18:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Chocolate fountain

Please keep an eye on Chocolate fountain (history · last edit · ]) because someone seems very eager to add a subtle commericial link. I've reached my 3 reverts. Kappa 13:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Consistent vandalism

I suggest that user:65.70.128.137 be blocked, perhaps even permanently. That IP has been blocked before, but since the block was lifted has continually tended to vandalise various pages. Almost none of that IP's edits have been non-vandalism. Check out his edits. Thanks! Wikophile 15:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• That IP points to Pembroke-Hill School. High schools, in general, have an above average noise-to-signal ratio, but that's not reason enough for a permamant block. – ClockworkSoul 15:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Anittas

anittas (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is fanning the flames of strife again: FeloniousMonk 16:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Why are you calling me a vandal and why are you threatening me on my talkpage? I told you before that I have the right to say that I think that you abuse your tools. Don't you understand that? It is my opinion that I think that you should not be an admin. Recently, you blocked a user for 48-hours for the 3RR; however, that user did not violate that rule and someone else advised you to learn how to count. I think you should apologize for calling me a vandal, or, prove to the community what I have vandalized. --Candide, or Optimism 17:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Ever since the stink you made on the WikiEN-l mailing list over my blocking of you you've campaigned around the project attacking me. Jimbo's warnings to you have made no difference and you've continued to raise the issue in this campaign of yours. A campaign which crossed the line separating the legitimate expression of opinion from harassment long ago and attempts to interfer with my performing my duties. FeloniousMonk 18:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

--{.{vandal|anittas}.}-- What is this supposed to mean? I would like to know why an admin accuses me of being a vandal when I have contributed with articles and other improvements of articles. --Candide, or Optimism 17:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

The {{vandal}} template just generates a set of links that are useful to other admins in assessing the history of a dispute. It does not imply that the user in question is a vandal; it's just the historical name for the template. You can see for yourself what's actually displayed when the template is transcluded. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks for the explanation. :) --Candide, or Optimism 18:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Fake block notices

This anon 130.113.226.6 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is placing notices of non-existent blocks on at least one user talk page . I haven't gone through the entire "contribution" list; one should be enough for a response, given the editor's other conduct .

User has been blocked for 31 hours -- he has a history of vandalism anyhow. Johnleemk | Talk 18:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

User:24.186.222.194

User:24.186.222.194 has been linkspamming the Power Tool, Bedding and Shoe articles despite being reverted a number of times. See Special:Contributions/24.186.222.194. He has been warned by User:Kuru. Time to block him. I don't want to violate the 3RR rule. thanks. Luigizanasi 18:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Dealt with. Thanks. --Golbez 19:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Lightbringer sockpuppeting

He came back to be a major POV-pushing PITA on Freemasonry as Basil_Rathbone (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I just blocked him again as PM_GL_PA (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and have blocked his IP as well to try to stem the flood of socks. Watch out for this one, he acts like he's on a mission - David Gerard 19:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Sunday_Service (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Hipocrite - «Talk» 21:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Braaad

Multiple sock puppets (some already blocked); verbally abusive towards other editors as well as myself; currently enjoying violating WP:NPA and WP:DICK; doesn't care about the open RfC against him; reported to WP:PAIN and WP:CHECK; no useful edits; needs a lesson in civility. McNeight 20:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked this user indefinitely. —Guanaco 21:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Johan Elisson

There was a personal attack on me at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/Article improvement drive by. All I did was made a simple suggstion in a category then User:Johan Elisson said "Why not just use the common sense you must have hidden somewhere?". Kingjeff 22:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Just as a side note, I also had a small problem with him. I think his intentions are good though, but I grant you that his "bedside manner" might need some polishing. In any event, I don't think the attack was serious enough to warrant a block, and after reading the whole exchange it looks like if you both take a step back and remember WP:AGF, everything will be fine. Let me know if you need help. Sebastian Kessel 22:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Kingjeff has been repeatedly disrupting that project for some time now and I've blocked him. He has tried to wind Elisson up a few times recently and Elisson has been impressively restrained throughout. CTOAGN (talk) 10:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

User:81.76.90.255

Could somebody please have a look at what this IP is doing to the Brentwood School (Brentwood, England) article. Seems to be a combination of vanity and vandalism, but I don't want to keep reverting myself as the distinction isn't clear. Cheers TigerShark 00:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Somebody needs to be blocked: 67.109.139.68

This anon's contributions consist almost entirely of changing words to FAGGOT or COCK, etc. Here is one of many examples: He has been formally warned at least once. He needs to be blocked. --AStanhope 00:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

The IP address has not edited in a few hours, so a block is not necessary now. In the future, you may wish to bring requests for administrator intervention to the WP:AIV. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Harassment by Cunado19

This guy keeps harassing me. Says I can't delete "negative comments" off my user talk. The rules say I can archive whenever I want to, that's what I did. He just keeps trying to find some new admin to report me to because he doesn't like the way I edit his precious Baha'i pages. Wjhonson 02:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Alright, here's some ideas. First things first, take a few deep breaths and calm down. This little spat will resolve itself far quicker if heads keep calm and people think straight. I'd advocate looking at what it is about your edits the user has an issue with - be bold and ask - and then see if you can't reach a compromise as to what should be done. You are entitled to archive your discussion page whenever you think it appropriate, but there is also an unwritten rule (not much help, I know) which states that it's considered bad form to wipe things too often.

In any case, you should now consider taking steps to prevent the disagreement from escalating, and try to resolve it calmly and effectively. If you continue to have problems, I'd recommend the Mediation Cabal or one of the other alternative paths to dispute resolution. 86.133.53.58 00:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

m:Right to vanish?

What's up with m:Right to vanish? I thought previous discussion here indicated that user talk pages should not be deleted. It appears User:Achille has left the project. He requested speedy deletions of his user and talk pages, both of which were granted. I undeleted the talk page, but carelessly forgot to remove the speedy deletion tag and leave a comment, and the page was deleted again. Shouldn't this be undeleted, even if it is moved to a different account name? Apparently his account has been renamed to User:This user has left wikipedia (which is not an appropriate user name, in my opinion, but that's a different matter). What do others think?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledge Seeker (talk • contribs) 2006-02-10 21:55:06 (UTC)

While the m:Privacy_policy doesn't clearly support this action, it does leave deletion in the hands of the individual project. Since User:Achille's request was initially granted, it seems appropriate to allow the decision to stand unless the project clearly needs this information for administrative purposes, rather than back-and-forth on it. I don't see an immediate or compelling reason to undelete -- the deleted pages are available to any administrator who needs to review them.

User:Adrian/zap2.js 06:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I see you are using a transcluded signature. After the Achille situation with a bot used to modify his formerly transcluded signature two times, isn't this another good reason not to be using transclusion for signatures? NoSeptember 07:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

One of these things is not like the other one :) User:Adrian/zap2.js 07:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I strongly encourage others to let this situation go; there were very, very tense moments in the past few days over it that went to the level of involving several individuals who work for the Foundation, as well as the Foundation's legal counsel. This is an issue that needs to be put to rest for the good of all involved. There really isn't anything on the talk page that is important enough to have a rehashing of a very, very difficult situation. Essjay 07:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Now I'm curious - what is "this situation", why did Achille leave? --Golbez 07:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Essjay made the right call on this one. It's not something that needs to be worried about here :)

User:Adrian/zap2.js 08:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

You should realize that saying "it's nothing to worry yourself about" is not the surest way to get someone to not ask a question. So, do we get anything? I see nothing in Achille's (under his new name) history to suggest what's up. --Golbez 08:38, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

The only thing I can really do on this one is to refer you to Brad Patrick, Wikimedia's legal counsel; if Brad says it's okay to discuss, then I'll go with that. Until then, I'm not releasing any details other than to say that the situation has been handled at the highest level and that as I understand it, there is no need for further action within the community. Essjay 18:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Greetings, sirs. As the legal guardian of the bot involved in this process, I had a vague feeling I would soon be summoned into this discussion. Thus I shall come forth right now and clarify that I am completely oblivious as to the motives of our recently departed contributor, and I really don't care to know either. However, I did receive communication from him requesting that I change all the links to point to the alias "This user has left wikipedia" and complied only because I had previously mass-subst'ed his signature template, contrary to his wishes, unaware of the pending name-change, and having believed he had already left the site for good. I might recommend blocking the latter username indefinitely, as it does seem inappropriate to edit from, and I would assume that if he ever does return as an editor it would be under a different name anyway. In any case, let's not mention his name any further, unless he gives us a reason to, i.e. comes back, which seems unlikely. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 08:51, Feb. 11, 2006

Helpdesk spam bot

The Misplaced Pages:Help desk seems to be spammed every day with commercial spam. Today it was hit by User:206.75.170.20 who had a long history of spamming. There are other IPs as well. Somehow I doubt very much whether those are real IPs, because the links point to genuine spamming sites, so it is more likely to be open proxies. Dr Debug (Talk) 13:00, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP for 48 hours. Doesn't look like an open proxy to me, though. Maybe someone more experienced at proxy checking can take a look at it. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, it is an open proxy, just on an unusual port. Blocked indefinitely. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

IanDavies = Irate

IanDavies (talk · contribs) appears to be Irate (talk · contribs). The provider has changed but the editing pattern and behaviour are identical. I've blocked. He's on a dynamic DSL pool out of Bulldog Manchester, if you suddenly see pissed-off IPs at work - David Gerard 15:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

(For a light-duty example, see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Traditional counties of England and Wales by highest point - note style of personal attacks and typing so fast he leaves out words. When he's really pissed off he leaves out letters - David Gerard 15:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC))

Here he explains a change from "general geographic" name to "traditinal" name with a particularly unusual edit summary.

And here he marks a template for speedy because it is "No existan pov pushing by Owain".

Looking back at his contribs, he started on October 22, shortly after another alter-ego User:Son of Paddy's Ego was blocked on October 17. Looking at his early edits indicates he is no newbie, and he exhibited signs of the pattern right from the start. Apart from a similar pattern of conflict, he also has had a similar editing pattern - see for example. Morwen - Talk 15:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The attacks linked to in this edit are a giveaway, too: . — Matt Crypto 16:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

More fun on Freemasonry

In the wake of two Lightbringer socks being detected and blocked, I've blocked Sunday Service (talk · contribs) as an obvious sockpuppet or troll. I don't know who of, but you look at that contributions list (it's not long) and imagine any newbie of good will starting their Misplaced Pages career with that edit summary. I don't bloody think so. Listing here for review/sanity checking - David Gerard 16:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

User12.72.25.181, User:Amplat

This person or persons made a big fat legal threat at Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for deletion/Kim Deanda which may cause other Wikipedians to not vote. Ruby 17:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Admin taking it upon himself to veto IFD results and delete images himself

User:Wgfinley is going around making snap decisions on what constitutes fair use himself and removing and deleting images outright that he disagrees with, even ones that he unsuccessfully put through IFD and were kept because they did meet fair use guidelines. See User talk:Wgfinley for some discussion, where a number of users inclusing an admin on the IFD project all tried to talk to him without success. He is ingoring comments from people trying to explain the concept to him, treating anyone questioning his actions as "uncivil" behavior" and refusing to undo his deletions. Can we please get this person to stop playing cowboy and enforcing his own ideas of rules on the project?

Furthermore, we are seeing more and more cases where admins are just doing whatever the heck they want because they want to and not following any policy or listening to otehr editors or admins... It'd be nice if other admins and ArbCom members would actually stand up and show that this behavior is wrong and will not be tolerated. This is becoming more and more like the Wild West here, with people who are in the worst position to be making decisions going ahead and doing them and daring everyone else to do anything about it. DreamGuy 18:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately images can't be undeleted, which makes this sort of behaviour even more unacceptable. It certainly seems clear that Wgfinley has drifted into behaviour outside his remit as an admin. I've left him a message pointing this out, and asking him to put images through the appropriate channels in future. We're all human, and can all act over-hastily on occasion, but should try not to make a habit of it, as the discussions on his Talk page indicate that he is.

--Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC).

Given that the Foundation's lawyer has recently explicitly said that on en: admins should delete if in doubt (on foundation-l) — and that he refers you to what the Foundation's lawyer has said — I suspect it's possible he's right and you're not, and legal exposure is not really something that's up for a vote or straw poll. Don't let me hold you back, though - David Gerard 19:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Legaly any claim of fair use is in doubt until it has been through the courts. Since this is not the case with any wikipedia images we would have to delete every fair use image in order to follow that directive.Geni 19:10, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

If you take the time to read the discussion on User talk:Wgfinley referred to above, you will see examples such as AP photos being claimed "fair use" when the copyright holder has expressed actual pissed-offness about us claiming that, and that the Foundation would rather not do that unnecessarily. But again, don't let me talking about the case at hand hold you back from going from specific to general and back to a different specific as if it's related to what I said (strike undue snappiness) - David Gerard 19:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I've seen every abuse of fair use you can think of. I know how bad things are. I was just pointing out the legal advice is pretty useless. Personaly I would have orphan the image (since it isn't fair use in this case). Re-educate anyone who objected and then wait for the normal deletion of orphan fairuse images to take place.Geni 20:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

You're right, sorry about me snapping at you like that - David Gerard 20:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me Geni. Jtkiefer ---- 19:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Tempting as killing every fairuse image would be I can think of a few narrow areas in which they are legit.Geni 20:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

edit-conflict It looks like one of our articles about a porn star was using a DVD cover as an illustration of her, rather than to identify the film in question. We probably shouldn't do that. We certainly shouldn't vote on WP:IFD to allow that. As far as I can tell, the only interesting things here are why User:Wgfinley deleted this image and not the thousands of other images used in precisely the same wrong way, and why anyone is making a fuss about the deletion of an image of a DVD cover, which is surely replacable if we ever have a legitimate use of it. Jkelly 19:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

It's also important to note that one set of complaints about the deletions is plainly inappropriate. This set of disputed deletions (example at Image_talk:Adele_Stevens.jpg) required the insertion of linkspam -- not simply a copyright credit -- as a condition for image use, and essentially required Misplaced Pages to accept advertising links. It's hard to see how any responsible editor would not have deleted all such images on sight, given the copyright holder's position. Monicasdude 19:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm perfectly happy that removal of fair-use images from articles where they're not used fairly is good parctice. I'm also happy that sometimes images are claimed to be fair use when they're not. I'm not happy about three points, though.

1. David Gerard seems to be saying that, because in some of the cases discussed on Wgfinley's Talk page he was in the right, therefore he's beyond criticism, full stop. That's such an obvious logical fallacy that I can't believe that he meant it, but I'm unsure what he did mean.
2. The existence of the image on Misplaced Pages can't be fair use or non-fair use in itself, because it's not being used. Fair use applies to the use being made of an image. If I up-load an image in preparation for genuinely fair use in an article, is Wgfinley entitled to leap in before I can go further and delete it on the grounds that it's not fair use yet, because it's not linked to an article?
3. Kim Bruning has followed my comment at User talk:Wgfinley by saying essentially that I'm wrong, and asking to talk privately about the matter because it's "political". OK, ignoring the last bit of characteristic ostentatious cloak and dagger stuff, his reason is that Misplaced Pages policy is: "if in doubt, zap it". Are we really supposed to accept that any admin can delete an image because of a feeling of doubt, even when a group of other editors have discussed the issue and decided that the image is OK? When did admins gain these god-like powers of discrimination, and why was I left out?

   I did not say that you were wrong. In fact, elsewhere I have been stating that I may well have to concede that you are correct. Kim Bruning 00:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

4. Oh, a fourth point. We're supposed to put up with sarcastic attacks from one of the finger-waggers because we go against what some nameless faceless lawyer said on some forum of which many of us aren't members? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

not nameless, not faceless. --BradPatrick 12:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Use is a key part of fair use. You've got a week to get the image into an article (probably longer becuase it will take a while for people to find it).Geni 21:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

That's fine: we put a tag on the image, let the up-loader know, and after a week the image can be deleted if no objection is raised or consensus reached. We don't take a quick look and delete, especially after an IfD has been held and passed. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 00:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Wether or not an image listed as fair uses has been in an article for a week is an objective criteria. There are no posible objections that can be made.Geni 01:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we would get a lot further here if some of the inflammatory tones could be avoided, I won't cite chapter and verse, it's pretty obvious and there's major contributor on my user page already. I have explanations on what I did on each of these pages. Why did I delete them out of process? Because the process is broke. IFD is a broken, it's a cesspool of stuff that sits there and gets deleted. If someone has a gripe about their image they post it there and their image is spared because the vast majority of images on IFD have little or no input. That's not a good sign of community support, it's a sign of indifference.

Frankly, I don't know why copyvio isn't a speedy category and it should be. But, I'll admit it, I saw the email on Foundation and I chose to make a stand with those images -- two were as blatant copyvios as they come, had no fair use rationale provided, were link spam and incorrectly tagged several time before Fair Use was the fallback option. The other I was making a point that these images are frequently being abused and, as frequently happens, someone goes to fix the abuse only to get reverted. I removed the image being abused.

The two other images, again, blatant obvious copyvios and should be framed as examples of such -- I have yet to hear any argument here that states these images are not copyvios, just that what I did was out of process. So, what's more important, the process or the fact that copyvios get removed and protect Misplaced Pages from exposure to litigation? If the answer is that avoiding litigation is more important than great, let's do something about fixing the process. I don't wish to set a precedent that any admin can delete such images on site (although I think two of these are incredibly obvious), I was trying to correct something that's broken. --Wgfinley 08:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't like IFD? That ok we have WP:CP instead. Want to speedy copvios? You can CSD A8.Geni 16:32, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I considered that but since A8 applies to articles I didn't think that would work. The problem with WP:CP is that there's not much image traffic there, everything seems to go to IFD. Maybe that's a correction that would work here but the page is usually in need of admin attention. If you look at the very top of WP:CP right now you'll see what drew my attention to this in the first place. --Wgfinley 17:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Then start putting together a consensus for A8 to be expanded beyond the article space. WP:CP deals with images quite frequently.Geni 20:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Disclaimer?

I wonder if it would be helpful to prominently place a disclaimer like the following:

If your contribution to Misplaced Pages is material under a non-free license, and you claim that it is "fair use", please accept that it may be removed or even permanently deleted at any time for reasons that may appear capricious or nonsensical to you, and that you may never receive a compelling explanation.

If we are really moving to a "If in doubt, delete" position on copyright infringements defended by a "fair use" claim, we can't rely either upon a somewhat difficult-to-parse remark on a mailing list very few editors read, nor upon WP:OWN, nor upon the diplomatic or consensus-building skills of those people who are volunteering to deal with image policy, nor upon every logged-in user understanding WP:FU. This issue has been generating an enormous amount of ill-will. We should invest the time in thinking about a way to reduce the level of antagonism. Jkelly 21:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Such a warning sounds good to me. It might stem the flood of non-free images. --Carnildo 02:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I would generally be in favour of a warning something like that. I think that the problem is that a lot of users don't really understand copyright law. Even experienced users don't always know when something is fair use (fair use is a very tricky concept) or in the public domain. A lot of users don't really understand that Misplaced Pages is a free encyclopedia, and that copyvios are a major risk to that idea. I think that we definitely need to emphasise more the importance of copyright compliance to the project. JYolkowski // talk 22:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Updating CSD

I have been bold and updated CSD I5 to reflect the new policies that the Foundation apparently wants. I know David Gerard thinks that process killed his puppy dog, but maybe next time he could take the 3 minutes it takes him to think up witty barbs of well-meaning editors and admins and update the policy or talk pages, instead. Nandesuka 13:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Categories for Speedy Deletion overrides all else again eh? specifically Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems, and Misplaced Pages:Fair use today, I see :-)

This is in fact the official CSD "owners'" position, see: , where the explicit statement was removed as rejected.

Ah well, good luck getting it to stick by the way. I hope it works, because that will save me some sleepless nights. Thanks. :-) Kim Bruning 13:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I've pulled it. The current version is fine since all it requires you to do is orphan the image then wait for a week. Patience is an important traint in an admin. Even in it's current version it is still far more liberal than A8.Geni 16:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

We shouldn't have to wait for a week to delete copyvios. --Ryan Delaney 16:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

More to the point, policies describe what it is that we do. It is clear that there is a Foundation mandate to delete images for which bogus fair use claims are made. Given that, it should be in the policy. Nandesuka 19:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Considering the number of mistakes that have been made (will people please remeber that mirrors exist) I think it is reasonable to have to wait a week. Remeber A8 exists for obvious cases.Geni 19:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Having trouble blocking a user?

I don't know why this is, but there is a vandal who I have attempted to block completely, yet they seem to still be able to edit quite often. If you look at User talk:Odin of Valhalla, it lists all of the IPs this user uses, all of which have indefinite blocks on them at this point. And yet, even today the user seems to have been able to go through and vandalize the same page again (they insist on inserting erroneous and out of date information into List of countries with nuclear weapons, despite having been talked to about this for a number of weeks now and given about a thousand warnings). What gives? Am I doing something wrong here with the blocking? Why are they are able to still edit pages? --Fastfission 18:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

• Specifically, 69.218.202.201 (talk · contribs · block log) was blocked indefinitely on 9 Feb 2006 but was able to vandalize up a storm on 10 Feb 2006. --Fastfission 19:04, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

  The shortest active block takes precedence and overrides all longer ones. (You also should almost never indef block an IP: knock them out for 1 month, 3 months or something, but not forever.) -Splash 19:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

You should really only block an IP for 24 hours. Secretlondon 19:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Unless it's an open proxy, of course, which can be blocked indefinitely. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 19:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, I've converted most of those IP blocks to a month, I hadn't realized that they shouldn't be blocked indef but I can see why. So, is the answer here to my general question: I should "unblock" the other blocks and then "re-block" with the one I really want? --Fastfission 19:58, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
  • You can't block a range of IP addresses for a month as per policy because of the collateral damage. 24 hours please. Secretlondon 20:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
    • It isn't a range, it is a set of a few addresses this one fellow seems to use, and nobody else seems to use. Two of them in particular seem to be his primary IP and it seems relatively fixed (at least one is a public terminal at a library, a few of the others are probably things of this nature). The fellow returns every day to vandalize and does little else, and I think the IPs that look static could easily be justified as blocked for over 24 hours, though I'm happy with reducing the blocks in the other cases (though again without any evidence of collateral damage I'm hard pressed to see it as a bigger problem than a repeat vandalizer, but I digress). In any event, my main question is still unanswered about the technical nature of it, not the policy of it. --Fastfission 20:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
      • The policy on IP blocks is clear - I am really politely asking you to stick to it - or I will have no choice to revert you. Secretlondon 17:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
        • There are always choices. kmccoy (talk) 02:48, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't understand the tech aspect in this instance either: there was an expired (24 hr) block from 4 Feb, then several indef/1 month blocks on 10/11 Feb starting at 01:20 on 10 Feb. No unblocking or shorter blocks logged until 19:10 on 11 Feb, yet a bunch of contributions from the IP in the intervening period. What gives? Rd232 20:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

POV Forking Underway

Not sure where to broach this issue. If this isn't the correct place, please let me know.

The naked short selling page was semi-protected after vandalism. Users were requested to go to the talk page before making any changes.

Recently, a disgruntled user and others have engaged in POV Forking by creating an article entitled Failure to Deliver Stock. This article has not yet been Wikified, but can be located, via external link, here. One of the principal authors of this article is User:Bobobrien, who is Bob O'Brien, head of the coalition against naked short selling (NCANS).

This article combs out one aspect of the naked shorting controversy and builds an entire article around it. Most of this article is a discussion of naked short-selling from the point of view of the anti-shorting camp. It is a textbook case of POV Forking, if ever there was one. --Mantanmoreland 22:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention fairly horrendously written. What is all that Pro, Con clutter? If this is not a POV fork it is at least a mangled article. One puppy's opinion. Nom it for deletion, POV fork. KillerChihuahua 22:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

That's because this is essentially a duplicate naked short selling page, substituting "FTD" for "naked short selling" and skewing the whole thing from an anti-shorting perspective.

I think this is such an egregious copycat that it might be a candidate for speedy deletion. However, since it has not been wikified, it has no internal link and I am not sure the mechanics of proposing for either type of deletion.--Mantanmoreland 00:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

List on Afd, stating that it is a POV fork of naked short selling. Btw, the NSS article is better, but the FTD title is better, IMHO. KillerChihuahua 02:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Muhamed (All contribs)

Can someone please process/sort this rather problematic user. --Cool Cat 22:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool Cat's report

1. Category:Kurdistan tagging.
   • Problematic edit summaries and edits (appears numerous times): "Removing Pro Türkish-Mongolian propaganda" while adding Category:Kurdistan at random articles.
   • The only "real" response I got to my inqueries regarding the mass taging of articles was "Bozmongols do not have in Wikipedi to searches!!!! I mean you". I am not sure what that supposed to mean, I do not think it was intended to enligten me.
   • My attempts to comunicate with him ultimately resulted with: "ach siktir Lan" . As my language skills in Turkish are less than perfect, I asked the meaning of "ach siktir Lan". I am told "siktir Lan" translates to "Fuck off" in Turkish although people are puzzled on the meaning of "ach".
2. User uploaded Image:IraqiKurdistan DeFacto.jpg with randomly drawn borders with random red markings also supposively locates him. (I seriously doubt image is GNU compatible).
   • Also modified Iraqi Kurdistan including his image over the rather standard wikipedia one.
   • This is the same image as de:Bild:Die derzeitige Demarkationslinie Kurdische Autonome Region.jpg, which has more details on copyright status. The GFDL claim may well be valid. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
     • The de one was probably uploaded by the same user, though. So it doesn't really answer anything except that he/she probably speaks German. --Fastfission 02:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
       • Well, the German image description says it was created using public domain map sources. See the links in the license box. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
3. My RFA (Trolling?)
   • Voted oppose (which alone is fine as everyone entitled to their opinion) with "I please you Pleas, Cool Cat is an Turkish Nationalis is not got Administrator"
   • And the posted a simmilar "comment" on following pages: Misplaced Pages talk:Esperanza , User talk:Aranda56 , User talk:Dynamo ace
   • German User talk:Banes , User talk:Dmn
4. User:MARMOT?
   • Conviniant apperance of MARMOT sockpuppet (User:Austim boy ) implies user may be a MARMOT sock... However my checkuser request has so far been unanswred and hence this is mere speculation at this stage.

   --Cool Cat 22:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

This is presumable the same user as de:Benutzer:Muhamed, who seems to be a perfectly legitimate contributor on the German Misplaced Pages. Their English doesn't seem too good, which may partially explain the communication difficulties here. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

What leads you to conclude that they're the same user, may I ask? 86.133.53.58 00:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, the fact that a) they have the same username, b) they edit similar articles, c) they have uploaded the same images, d) they have similar user pages, e) they both claim to be Kurdish, and e) they both write fluent German (and not so fluent English). Either they're the same user, or the one here is a very good imposter. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Skull 'n' Femurs sockpuppeting again

Skull 'n' Femurs (talk · contribs) is at it again, this time as Darth Dalek (talk · contribs). I blocked him for 72 hours this time and left a "Stop it." message on his talk page. Here's to better behaviour in future - David Gerard 23:38, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:3O dispute

I've recently been cleaning out the backlog at WP:3O. It finally got cleared a couple days ago. I noticed a new entry in there today, gave my 3rd Opinion and deleted it from the log, clearing the list. One of the two users did not agree with my intervention, saying that I was not neutral, as I had been in a dispute with that user before, and called them a vandal. The user reverted my deletion of the listing on WP:3O, and disputed my actual opinion that I gave. As I'm now a party to the dispute, there are now more than precisely two people involved, and thus the listing does not meet the guidelines for listing on WP:3O: specifically

"This page is meant only for disagreements involving precisely two people. If more are involved, try convincing—or coming to a compromise with—the other people. If that fails, try other Misplaced Pages dispute-solving procedures."

and

"If a third opinion has been provided in a disagreement, please remove it from the list below (regardless of whether you listed it in the first place). If you provide a third opinion in any disagreement below, please remove it from the list."

I cannot continue removing the listing without violating the 3 revert rule. Furthermore, I'm very upset with this users conduct. I was trying to help out, and I was treated with bad faith, and personally attacked. My wikistress level is very high right now from all this. I'm requesting that an adminstrator delete the listing at WP:3O, and furthermore come in as a mediator over the actual dispute on the page itself (Talk:Crime against humanity.) ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 01:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Wow, this is the first time I have ever heard of WP:3O. --Golbez 02:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, I found out about it by accident while looking through the backlog template. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 03:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ha, I thought it was some sort of oblique reference to C-3PO. howcheng {chat} 06:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

User:PistolPower

Abusive taunts on several talk pages including mine. Wyss 02:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

And mine, and User talk:Ashibaka's too. AnAn 03:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

and, the worst one of all (which I deleted), . There are many more. —BorgHunter (talk) 03:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

They're all vios, but that last one is... way beyond any open-minded stretch of acceptability. Wyss 03:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked for 48 hours for his absolutely blatant incivility. Jtkiefer ---- 05:24, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

As per a request from another editor who has been helping PistolPower I have reduced the block to 31 hours. Jtkiefer ---- 07:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Kengineer (talk • contribs)

As I recall from a few incidents during hurricane katrina, wikipedia *might* have a block-on-sight policy for blantent white supremacists, somebody look into this--152.163.100.65 04:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

We have a block on sight semi-policy for vandals who vandalize high-traffic pages with racist crap; being a white supremacist (if he is) is not in itself a blockable offense. Any more than being a pedophile is. *chuckle* --Golbez 05:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

How exactly is that funny?--152.163.100.65 05:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

• Eh, a recent wheel war over some templates. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war. (I actually think someone should create Misplaced Pages:Lamest wheel wars ever to discuss this and other admin-level conflicts. --Blu Aardvark | 05:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Request Urgent Help

Note: This post was archived a few hours after it was posted on Feb 11. I have just now copied and pasted it here, complete with the original date and time stamp. The other posts in Archive 72 have no activity since Feb. 4 or 5. Is this the way archiving works? S Scott 08:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)S Scott

User 209.215.39.5 has this page attacking the Shiloh Shepherd ] and now attacking on the actually Shiloh Shepherd talk pages. This user is also known as Wolfin_42 ] ] (also signed post as Lisa Trendler) posted a message on Shiloh Shepherd Dog Talk Page ] revealing personal information of other editors and numerous personal attacks on them. While it is understood that this editor has a personal vendetta, it is felt that the revert by Dixen is a different matter.

Edit was rv’d by ShenandoahShilohs for violation of Wiki WP:PA and WP:Harrassment policy.

Post was rv’d back by editor Dixen with comment “too late to get self-righteous now”.

Dixen has never previously posted on Shiloh Shepherd talk page/article. I checked Dixen’s other contrbs and found the majority have been made to article “Joomla” ]]] .

Found administrator Jareth to be common and frequent mediator/administrator/contributor for both Joomla and Shiloh Shepherd and to have previously communicated with Dixen.

Please note: And if you have any questions whatsoever, feel free to contact me on my talk page or heck, poke me and I'll answer. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 21:07, 21 November 2005 (UTC ]

Please note: "re:Hey" on Jareth's talk page: Jareth: "One of my major mediation feats was completely behind the scenes - when Joomla! split off of Mambo, someone thought Misplaced Pages needed an entry on the new CMS. I did a lot of coaching..." ]

Please see: Jareth's Request for Admin: ] "One of my favorite mediation feats actually occurred entirely off-wiki -- the community supporting the Joomla! fork of Mambo wrote a page, which was afd'd shortly thereafter for its ad-like quality."

Please note, Admin Jareth recently resigned as mediator on Shiloh article, due to conflicts/controversy with other Shiloh editors, and is involved in RFA against them. ] We find this coincidence, extremely concerning.

Please consider block/ban of users 209.215.39.5(aka Wolfin42). Please perform check user for http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Dixen and http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Jareth. Please monitor Shiloh Shepherd Dog article/talk page for further WP:PA, WP:Harrassment, and and hostile reverts. Please take any/all other necessary actions as warranted.

Thank you. |||Miles.D.|||

Jareth has now posted to my talk page MilesD. that this Admin Incident Board request for a user:check of Jareth and Dixen is "For the record, you're accusing my husband and I of being sockpuppets -- if you'd like, I can provide my phone number so you can personally verify." In referring to what she has written, I am assuming she is revealing "Dixen" to be her husband's Wiki account, since we had no idea who "Dixen" might be when we filed this Incident report. If this is the case and her husband's account (Dixen) was used to revert back a post with edit summary "too late to get self-righteous now", which contains numerous PAs and the revealing of Personal Info about an editor, this is really troubling. Also, the fact that this request was "archived" within hours of it being posted and before other admins had a chance to review or comment about it, is also troubling. Thank you. |||Miles.D.||| 15:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I smell sockpuppetry afoot; other admins, beware. MilesD originally added this comment, but it was edited wantonly by ShenandoahShilohs (talk · contribs) (, , ). Then after Crypticbot (talk · contribs) archived the page, it was S Scott (talk · contribs) who restored this message. () I smell a rat. Johnleemk | Talk 16:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I am hardly a sockpuppet. MilesD asked me to help fix the internal links as the way it was done were not working. While doing so, I was asked to clarify some wording. I am an interested and concerned party in this notice as the post that was written by User 209.215.39.5, and then revert back by Dixen revealed personal information about me. ShenandoahShilohs 16:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but you really should clarify this. It's not good to edit others' comments without explaining why. Johnleemk | Talk 16:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I understand and will be more careful.ShenandoahShilohs 16:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Johnleemk, would it be possible then for you and other admins to look into our request for assistance with this situation we have brought to this incident board? Perhaps you may find some other reasons to "smell a rat". Further investigation on your part would be most appreciated. Thanx much. |||Miles.D.||| 16:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I see no evidence of any wrong-doing; partners in relationships often have vast differences in behaviour (compare arbitrator Mindspillage (talk · contribs) and her partner, Gmaxwell (talk · contribs)). It wouldn't be surprising if Dixen was in the wrong and Jareth had nothing to do with his actions. Your initial post is also lacking a lot of context, which makes it very difficult to probe. Johnleemk | Talk 16:45, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Respectfully, I disagree. The questions don't involve "partners" opinions. The questions involve 1) a user "209.215.39.5", who posted the personal info about another user (definite evidence of Wiki wrong-doing), which has never been revealed by that targeted user on Wiki nor on his/her kennel website. 2)After removal, this post was rv'd in its entirety (including personal info) by a user (Dixen) who has never posted to this talk page/article before. This editor's (Dixen's) only "tie" to this talk page/article is then revealed by the very administrator (Jareth), who is heavily and controversially involved in this talk page/article, and is the initiator of an RFA against other editors (including one whose personal info was revealed in the post), as being her "husband". 3)then, when removed again for violation of WP:Harrassment, that administrator (Jareth) refactors it, claiming no personal info was included and no personal attacks against editors are included. Please review:

So, a post involving and revealing PA's/Personal Info about editors is rv'd/refactored twice, once by an editor (Dixen), who has never in any way posted/contributed before to this talk page/article and who Jareth has now identified as her "husband" and then once by an administrator (Jareth) who is pursuing an RFA she has filed against some of the very editors targeted by this post. It should also be noted that it appears the original poster 209.215.39.5 was neither warned nor blocked by admin Jareth for this post and the serious Wiki violation it committed with its WP:PA/WP:Harrassment content and this personal information is still visible for everyone to read in history.

If you see no potential problems or violations here, I respect your opinion, but I do not agree. Thanx much. |||Miles.D.||| 18:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not a sockpuppet, either. My contributions indicate my participation in the Shiloh Shepherd discussion since late Dec., '05. My apologies for the confusion. It's confusing to us, too. MilesD. was puzzled about why their message disappeared from this page only a few hours after it was posted. I found it in the most recent archive and put it back on this page, since this is an urgent matter, and Administrators had so little time to respond before it was archived. Regards, S Scott 16:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)S Scott

The participants in this dispute seem to be all involved in sustained disputes regarding the breeding and marketing of Shiloh Shepherds. They know each other by name already. Use of first names on the talk page of the article is of minimal significance. When and if the Arbitration Commitee hears this case I will almost certainly advocate that no one involved in the current controversy over the breeding and selling of Shiloh Shepards should be allowed to edit the article. Your quarrels belong elsewhere, not here, Misplaced Pages:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground Fred Bauder 18:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Background information

I have every reason to believe that MilesD., S Scott, and ShenandoahShilohs are not sockpuppets. They have three very different email addresses. They are not meatpuppets either. Meatpuppets are new editors who are asked to be involved in a dispute to provide a false consensus. These have all been ongoing editors of the article in dispute. The ArbCom has accepted this case. Robert McClenon 21:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Clients: Please do not quarrel here while keeping me out of the loop. You asked me to advocate for you before the ArbCom. I am trying to do that. If you must request emergency action, the ArbCom can issue temporary injunctions. It is disruptive to be arguing the same behavior both here and in arbitration. Robert McClenon 21:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Jesse Jackson

There seems to have been lots of editing lately on his article, with entire sections having been taken out, and redone, possibly from copyvio content, or something. It seems like there's been lots of unsupervised editing lately, but I don't know enough about him to really tell if the edits in the past ~5-10 days seem legitimate. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 08:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Designatedhitter

I would like all of his contributions to be deleted, as they involve slandering me. I've blocked him indefinitley (sp?), but I would not like the contributions there. Sceptre 10:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

If you mean removing them from the history, there's no reason to do that. It's just slander. Now, if it were personal information, then that would be a case, but just blank/delete them and move on. --Golbez 11:22, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I think Jimbo has made it pretty clear that it's preferable to delete libelous material from page histories, particularly if the aggrieved party wishes it to be done. · Katefan0/poll 16:04, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... after looking at the contribs, it seems more like juvenile vandalism than anything else. · Katefan0/poll 16:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I was just about to say the same thing. Admins needs to simply ignote this kind of sillyness. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Libel makes it quite clear: It is Misplaced Pages policy to delete libellous revisions from the page history. However, I haven't read the contributions to see if they actually are slanderous. --Aaron 16:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I checked the contributions, all two of them. There is neither libel nor slander involved. One is childish vandalism on the George P. Bush page, the other is mildly insulting on Sceptre's user page. No need to act, in my opinion. --Stephan Schulz 16:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Agree with no need to act - also should not have been given indefinite ban - with 2 contributions probably shouldn't even have been given 24 hours. Secretlondon 17:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Yep, a permanent block was quite an overreaction. I would expect admins to be mature enough to being insulted by trolls without getting bent out of shape about it. Friday (talk) 17:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Please note that I deleted his/her user page, so some of the edits are not visible. BrokenSegue 17:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think any further action needs to be taken, but I do agree with the indefinite ban: seeing the user page that was deleted (I initially just blanked it, but I fully support its deletion), there was no possible way to assume good faith, it was a whole lot less 'mildly insulting' than the rest of those contributions. --JoanneB 17:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

User:My Cat Made Me Do It

I indefinitely blocked My_Cat_Made_Me_Do_It (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for being a vandalism-only account (both the account name and the first edit are references to a recent slashdot article). Since it's a rather strong block for someone with a single warning, I would like for other admins to take a look. --cesarb 16:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Zero non-vandalizing contributions; mostly inserting goatse links. If they want to reform, it would reasonably seem to be to their benefit to do it under another name anyway. Shouldn't you say something on their talk page about the block, though? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if their cat made them get blocked as well. Jtkiefer ---- 23:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Jskinner003 and James Skinner

User:Jskinner003 is adding himself to the above article (about a military figure), also added his website to David Davies (politician), David Davis, Monmouth School, Conservatism, David Cameron and Conservative Party (UK). Reverted all on first occurance, however user continues to add himself to James Skinner, I'm a bit unsure of the situation and concerned about 3RR. It seems that contributions by User:86.128.119.112, User:86.128.114.210 and User:86.128.175.213 are the same individual. I'm quite happy to continue dealing myself but would appreciate some guidance. Many thanks Ian3055 20:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Heh, this is quite amusing. I also attend Monmouth School. Point him my way if you want to. I have just removed him from James Skinner. Sam Korn 21:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Request to block User:209.215.39.5

Can someone please block 209.215.39.5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)? It has been previously warned for vandalism, and more recently posted a personal attack. This is related to the Shiloh Shepherd Dog dispute, which is an ArbCom case, but this address appears to have made no good-faith edits. Robert McClenon 23:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Robert, without an ongoing vandalism issue (i.e. continuous vandalism), blocking this IP probably wouldn't be a good idea, since it resolves to BellSouth and is likely dynamic. · Katefan0/poll 00:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Looking for opinion on my block

I was blocked a few days ago for 3RR violation. The admin who blocked me was directly involved in the disagreement. I was removing a statement that I believed to be a personal attack. --It was a comment about how certain groups of people would have trouble getting into heaven.

If you have time to look into this, I would be grateful.

• Block log:
• Article history:
• My talk page: Block Comments

Thanks,--Colle|File:Locatecolle.gif|Talk-- 23:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy to look into the situation. I see that you were removing another person's comments from a talk page. You violated the 3RR. An admin came along and restored the comments of another user that you removed - this does not make him involved in the disagreement. I agree with the admin's actions and would have also applied a block in the circumstances. My advice to you is to learn from the situation and never break the 3RR again. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 00:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

That is rather harsh. I want to know if that comment was a personal attack, and if so, if I was right in removing it. Also, I have heard many times from administrators that reverting in a revert war you are mediating constitutes being involved! How can I "learn from the situation" when I still have questions? I don't appreciate being treated like dirt... I don't want to know how wrong, I was, I need to know why you "agree with the admins actions." Please don't lash out at me. --Colle|File:Locatecolle.gif|Talk-- 00:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. The comment was far from a personal attack, and you shouldn't be going around removing other peoples' comments anyway. Misplaced Pages:Remove personal attacks is an extremely disputed guideline, only generally acceptable in the most egregious of circumstances (one in which there would be no doubt about whether something was or was not a "personal attack.") · Katefan0/poll 00:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm sorry if I came across harsh. Sometimes my straight talking comes across more abruptly than i intend it too. Please beleive me - I was not lashing out.

I agree with the admin because removing other's comments is always considered controversial. That's not to say that you should never do it. I've done it myself many times. However you should do it very carefully. Revert warring over removing someone elses comments is very dodgy. Revert warring with an admin as well as the person who wrote the comments is disruptive. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 00:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, you are free from the block now, so that's good. I don't think she means that as an attack; it's just rather impersonal because she may answer a lot of such questions. I'm sorry you feel hurt by the situation, but try to learn and let go of it. If someone is there strictly to mediate, they are not really involved. I have to admit I haven't read it all. But just shrug it off, and know that you've likely learned things here that will make you stronger and more prepared when you meet such situations in the future. Good luck. --DanielCD 00:25, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to be disruptive. Thank you for your comments--Colle|File:Locatecolle.gif|Talk-- 00:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

List of interesting or unusual place names

My first rouge action. I've deleted the redirect despite it not being a speedy deletion candidate. I've also (slightly more provocativly) protected it against recreation

• First AfD
• Deletion review
• Second pseudo-afd

Verifiability and neutral point of view are not negotiable, and the article exists in a location where it can happily stay until these problems are corrected. Cross-namespace redirects are allowed if they are "useful" and this one is not.

brenneman 23:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

You might want to mention that the outcome of the deletion review (c. 25 for Overturn/Relist and 14 for endorse) was noted at User_talk:R._fiend#Deletion_review and not contested by User:R. fiend, prior to the relisting as per Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review#Decisions_to_be_reviewed. -- User:Docu

Please put this up for deletion at MfD, rather than speedying it. I had restored the redirect after finding two different users who had been searching for its current location (after seeing the AfD result) but hadn't found it. Usefulness includes having existing external links to the page, which this years-old list certainly has. Verifying or neutralizing statements about what is or is not unusual or list-worth is a recurring problem, and not a reason to move article content into another namespace; that's not what namespaces are for. +sj + 04:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

They'll just have to get used to the new URL. Jeez, typing 11 more characters is hardly going to kill anyone. FCYTravis 05:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

*cackles maniacally at Brenneman's journey to the dark side*--Sean Black 05:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:LOIOUPN anyone?Geni 10:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Karmafist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Analogdemon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

These users have added clearly inappropriate content to their user pages in imitation of SPUI (talk · contribs). It is clear that as a project we aren't going to permit this sort of material on user pages; c.f. Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Pedophilia_userbox_wheel_war. I have removed the material in question and left notes on talk pages and have been reverted and accused of vandalism in both cases. I believe at a minimum these user pages should be protected but would support additional measures as well. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 02:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Please don't feed the trolls. If we ignore them they will get board.Geni 02:52, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see an upside to escalating this. Actioning their userpages only draws further attention and perpetuates this cycle. I'm pretty sure that, if left alone, it'd dissipate. User:Adrian/zap2.js 05:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Threats from Amorrow/Emact/Fplay/whatever name he's using now

, . User:Zoe| 02:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Contributor on Irritable Bowel Syndrome article that is using personal attacks and threats

We need some help in dealing with a a new contributor on the Irritable bowel syndrome article. I have been called a nazi, having bias and being a vandal because their contribution was reverted even though I explained why the insertion was being reverted in the edit note. There was some discussion about this, much of it pure fabrication in the character assassination of myself, and now they have added threats to not revert their addition to the article or else. Can you please assist in how to deal with this. Ibsgroup 03:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Block of known sockpuppet User:Brian Brockmeyer

User:Brian Brockmeyer, User:Flavius Aetius and two IPs were checkuser'ed as sockpuppets of User:Almeidaisgod; all accounts have been used to POV push/edit war and evade 3RR's on similar articles (Ken Mehlman and University of Miami in particular). checkuser After noticing that User:Brian Brockmeyer had begun removing the sockpuppet notices on his userpage (aided by User:Juicedpalmeiro, who perhaps needs to be checkuser'ed as well), I added the sock tags back and asked him not to remove them unless he wants to use that account permanently and ditch the others. The response was: JuicedPalmeiro again removed the tags (replacing them with a barnstar) and Brian Brockmeyer left a message on my talk page calling me a cunt. His userpage is now protected with the sock tags intact, and I have blocked the Brian Brockmeyer account for a week for edit warring to scrub the sock tags and for his unsavory comment about me. I leave this here for other administrators to review, since the attack was made against me. · Katefan0/poll 03:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Lopperz

I blocked Lopperz (talk · contribs) because of edits to the now-deleted "article" U suck, which read:

I will keep writing nonsense, if u want wikipedia to be saved then maybe u should stop the war in iraq.

u have 48 hours to decide, the fate of wikipedia rests wit u guys now

hahahahahahahhahahah...ahahhahahha....ahahahhah.hahah.ehh, not funny

Via email, Lopperz claims that his/her account was hacked and they have now changed the password. I have unblocked the account. Please keep an eye out. User:Zoe| 03:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Brainhell unblocked

I have unblocked Brainhell (talk · contribs), upon request received via info-en. A review of the circumstances of the block, conducted by myself and Antandrus could find no reason for Lucky 6.9's original accusations of personal attack, and the response by Lucky 6.9, including three blocks of Brainhell appears to me to have been disproportionate, if not wholly unjustified. The parties are being notified. Kelly Martin (talk) 05:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

false vandalism charges

I have been blocked for apparent repeated vandalism, but I have never vandalized a page. How does something like this happen? What should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cave troll (talk • contribs)

There's nothing in the block log for you, so you do not appear to be blocked--and if you are able to post here, you can't be blocked. What exactly is the problem? Antandrus (talk) 06:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

It was probably an autoblock or a rolling IP block; those often prevent editors from editing the main article namespace while allowing them to edit the other namespaces. As to why, I have no clue, but I've seen it happen enough to think of it first when I see something like this. Essjay 10:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Tactik and Tactik's IP erasing comments

As evidenced below, Tactik and his IP have been erasing my comments on pages, and in some cases creatively editing other user's comments to be less critical. Also, User:Muzboz User:Tobler1 and User:Andy hoffman have all been recently created and their only edits have been to vote in a poll in support of tactik, a poll in which Tactik himself has openly voted twice (once with registered, and once with IP). Clearly these are either sockpuppets or meatpuppets.

User:Tactik Erasing my comments: Tactic's IP erasing my comment at the bottom (as part of "cleaning up"):

Knowledge management

Dmezei (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has decided that removing citations to his own publications means that we can no longer use "his" text in this article. He tells me that if I try to use "his" text, I will be blocked for violating his copyright. Knowing how seriously we take copyright, I think you'd better know about it. And you might want to check whether his edits constitute vandalism, and whether he's violated WP:3RR. Just zis  Guy, you know? / 18:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

< defuse defuse defuse > I would like to try and calm Dmezei down a bit, and would like to take a long look at the edits and references now deleted. I have some moderate familiarity with KM. Though I don't think you're in the wrong, JzG, it might help if you left him alone for a bit while I take a look. < / defuse defuse defuse > Georgewilliamherbert 00:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Potential Troll

I just recently removed a slanderous comment from an article talkpage , and I am bothered by this user's comments on his user and talkpage as well. However, I decided to assume good faith and leave a welcome and small warning regarding this; I'm requesting an administator keep an eye on his contributions and dealings with wikipedia just to be on the safe side. -Zero 18:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Hrm... looking at his user page gives that impression too. Your warning was tactful: nice work. Anyway, I'll be happy to do my part keeping my eyes on him. Thanks for the heads up. – ClockworkSoul 22:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
  • He seems to have not-so-fuzzy-feelings towards User:MegamanZero. Perhaps he is yet another "Wikiterrorist" incarnation? – ClockworkSoul 22:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Kikodawgzz

• Kikodawgzz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

This user has recently uploaded a number of images that have been "gleaned" from various USENET postings. Because these sort of postings have absolutely have no copyright information whatsoever, I am seriously considering speedy deleting them as blatant copyvios. Comments? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:59, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• As far as I know, unknown copyright is not any different from copyrighted. – ClockworkSoul 23:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The other problem is that this user has been removing a few "no source" tags on images that (s)he has uploaded without giving any reason . Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I notice that he has also been adding source tags to images that he doesn't have the right to add them to (GNU tags, for example, to images that he claims to have taken from some USENET post). He needs to be warned sternly but fairly that this is inappropriate. If he does not or cannot shape up, a block is in order. Can somebody with a more thorough understanding of our IP policies than I do it? – ClockworkSoul 23:11, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
      • He's been blanking his talk page of warnings about the images. I support speedy deleting them. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 00:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• "You may fire when ready, Gridley." --Carnildo 03:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Some of the images have been added to Kingstonjr (talk · contribs)'s non-worksafe gallery at User:Kingstonjr. Jkelly 03:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

KAJ/Johnski

I blocked KAJ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as a sock/meatpuppet of Johnski (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). He has emailed me a couple of times asking me to reconsider. I mention it here so someone can review my decision if they want to. Tom Harrison 23:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Goatse vandal

A vandal has been creating new accounts rapidly and changing links to goatse.ca, as well as other vandalism. He has edited many warning/welcome/etc templates. He uses deceptive edit summaries like "rv vandalism" (while adding vandalism). IMO any account with this pattern should be blocked indefinitely on sight. Quarl 2006-02-14 00:13Z

• Indeed it should, if it appears that it was created for the sole reason of vandalizing. – ClockworkSoul 01:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Brian Peppers

• User:Hall Monitor has taken it upon himself to undelete Brian Peppers despite the fact that a deletion review found no grounds to do so, and in fact was closed with a decision to delete and salt the earth. This repeated undeletion is simply designed to vote over and over and over and over again until someone gets the result they want, which is patently a manipulation of policy and an abuse of process. FCYTravis 01:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

  On the contrary, there was no consensus to delete this article (which was speedy deleted outside the bounds of process). In light of recent discoveries, namely that there are a group of rogue individuals who are misrepresenting themselves as members of the Peppers family and trying to poison information related to him on the internet, I felt bound to bring this to WP:AFD in an attempt to achieve consensus. We do not delete articles when there is no consensus, not the other way around, please let this sixth nomination take its course. Best regards, Hall Monitor 01:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

  In the interest of transparency, the renomination is here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brian Peppers (6th nomination). Hall Monitor 01:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

  I've redeleted the article and closed the afd. Split and repetitive discussions are harmful, and if there is consensus to undelete then we can do so. - brenneman 01:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• Good call, poor reason. This page should die because it's about an insignificant person and there has been a complaint. Pure and simple. --Tony Sidaway 02:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The problem, if I understand it correctly, is that the person who sent the complaint to UC was a hoaxer, so it sadlay isn't as simple as that. Titoxd 02:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
    • While I agree with both of the above, I'd like to make it clear that I acted only to restore the previously agreed upon status quo and not out of an attempt to enforce my personal opinon. - brenneman 02:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I happen to be unaware of the evidence that UC's correspondent misrepresented him/herself. Might someone kindly provide a diff, please? Regards ENCEPHALON 02:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• There is at least on confirmed attempt to impersonate a family memeber that conincides with the timeframe of the email to UC (cheack through this list note the cronology and be prepared to wait a bit on the last one). There is a clear parth from that attempt to wikipedia. Other than that there are very few logical ways to find the article.Geni 03:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• • • It isn't clear to me whether the complaint was genuine or not. I've shared my reservations about it since I acted upon it. I have asked the author of the complaint to substantiate their identity and they have not yet done so to my satisfaction. Whether or not the complaint is genuine, the fact remains that the content once again at Brian Peppers is an unlawful invasion of privacy even if factual. I have forwarded the original emails and a summary of the matter to the board for legal review, since a community consensus to delete appears elusive. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 02:56, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Thank you, UC. I'm aware of assertions that a spate of emails have been sent to several individuals by persons dishonestly claiming to be related to Mr. Peppers, but had no knowledge of any evidence concerning the reliability of your correspondent. I share your view on the matter of the article itself. ENCEPHALON 03:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

What the fuck? Another page censored on an editwarrior's say-so? And the discussion closed down by the editwarriors? Why are we even bothering to pretend that we're a community that discusses things? Grace Note 02:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

And what is the goal of this community? According to Jimbo, it's to educate. What educational value does the article have? --Nlu (talk) 02:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Did you miss the massive, massive deletion review discussion? That discussion terminated and the article was not restored. If you wish to restore the article, then begin another discussion, on WP:DRV or here on ANI. Don't expect that a unilateral undeletion and after-the-fact "discussion" is going to be supported. FCYTravis 02:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

No, god forbid that you should support discussion. Grace Note 03:19, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

If someone wanted to open up another discussion about whether something should be undeleted, I'd be fine with that. FCYTravis 03:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

There's an AfD. It didn't form a consensus to delete, so you guys acted unilaterally, "fucked process" and killed the article. You want the discussion in DRV so that you can ignore that you had no consensus to delete and can't get one, but when we discussed it in DRV, there was a fairly even split. The presumption is to keep, not delete articles. Well, I mean Misplaced Pages's presumption is. Clearly, YMMV. Grace Note 03:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Harassment

I am being harrassed by three editors (two are admin). Harrassment includes (repeated) targeted personal attacks, threats (to disrupt work on Misplaced Pages) and posting of personal information (regardless of correct/incorrectness) by FeloniousMonk and Jim62sch. Part of Jim's offence might be from ignorance of the policy more than intentional flouting of it, while FM is an admin whose commentary and choice of wording indicates intentional action which continued even after I pointed out he was violating policy. Furthermore, in what appears to be a tagteam effort of targeted personal attacks, Guettarda is repeatedly trolling my user talk page even after I asked for it to stop. agapetos_angel 03:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)