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A few words

The above is quite a shame. A handful of unbelievers and anti-fundamentalist Christians have led a brigade of hatred. What am I guilty of? Well, the long and short of it is: creating a number of Christian entries and nominating a number of non-notable, atheist entries for deletion. Does that sound worthy of the above? Of course not.

The sockpuppet allegations are absurd. What was the result of the "check user" (which checks IP addresses)? Last time I checked, there was no word at all. Therefore, all of these sockpuppet allegations are assumptions by people like User:JzG and User:Arbustoo. What's worse, they've assumed that they were right while indefinitely blocking people's accounts for no other reason.

Your hated for Christian fundamentalism and your burning bias to silence me and like-minded contributors has made you a person that we cannot deal with. It's completely up to them, but I imagine they will use other accounts to post because they don't want to talk to you.

It's simply detestable how you have hijacked certain entries like LBU and Pacific International University. You rather have no information on there than actually have pertinent and good information posted by a fundamentalist Christian. It's a sad day when an admin like you and some of your unbelieving, Christian-hating friends can rule Misplaced Pages and the Christian entries in it. It seems like you are incahoots with people like Arbustoo because you revert fundamentalist Christian entries and allow his, on the same entries. What made him the final word on Misplaced Pages entries? Perhaps he's a sock puppet of yours.

I'm going to avoid Misplaced Pages for awhile. However, I am going to encourage everyone I know to continue contributing. Therefore, don't expect to be hearing from me, but expect to be hearing from them.

May God have mercy on your soul, Guy. --Jason Gastrich 07:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Jason Gastrich, your comments are pointless. Why come back to continue this misery for yourself and others? Hope you can find peace of mind and join the community one day. --FloNight 07:52, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Funny how it's all somebody else's fault. The fifty-odd Wikipedians who endorsed the RfC are all biased, the people who innsert provable facts you don't like into articles are all biased, the people you insult are all biased, but you see yourself as whiter than snow. As Bertand Russell said, "the whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves and wiser me so full of doubts". And I have absolute confidence that you, in your hubris, will read that as meaning that we are the fools and faantics and you the "wiser men". As to hate, not me. I am supremely indifferent to you, but I am absolutely not indifferent to your attempts to hijack Misplaced Pages for the greater glory of Gastrich.

This does, however, highlight the absolute refusal to acknowledge any fault whatsoever which led to the RfC in the first place, and led to it being so strongly endorsed. A smart man would learn from this. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 10:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Tp put this in language Jason might understand, "(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." Jim62sch 12:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Just so lurkers and newbies know, Jim is an unbeliever who has rejected the lordship of Christ, yet likes to use Bible verses to try and belittle His followers. --Jason Gastrich 06:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Jason, I signed my name on the RfC, but it was solely regarding your violations of Misplaced Pages rules. If you think I have any sort of grudge against Christians, I invite you to read Talk:Answers in Genesis. The mentorship program would be a good idea if you want to continue contributing to Misplaced Pages. There are many ways to raise awareness about your faith within the policies of Misplaced Pages. Step outside those boundaries too many times and consequences must follow - not because anyone hates your religion, but because believers of other religions would manipulate your example as an excuse to violate the rules in the name of their own faiths. Durova 08:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Jason would rather make asinine assumptions about people he does not know, rather than to learn anything. In addition, his apparent belief that Christianity is the only "true" religion will never allow him to be any more than a disruptive source on Misplaced Pages. Jim62sch 16:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Please read WP:Civility. Durova 17:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me? While tu quoque is not necessarily considered a valid defense, you might want to read the comment to which I was replying. Jim62sch 18:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Jim's comments were civil enough, particularly considering the level of intolerance found on this page. FeloniousMonk 19:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I have never known a person who was led to greater wisdom by being called "asinine." That has an undertone of baiting - hitting a guy while he's down - and posting to his own user page magnifies the insult. I disapprove of Mr. Gastrich's conduct probably as strongly as either of you, which makes it especially important to demonstrate the right standard. Durova 02:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I've never known of a person who was led to greater wisdom when he believes that he already possesses the requisite amount of wisdom to be unassailable. Jim62sch 01:30, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

User page links

The Misplaced Pages page that states what we can have on our user pages clearly mentions that we can have "useful links". See here. Therefore, I'm going to revert JzG's deletion, so my useful links may be on there. --Jason Gastrich 07:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:EL and WP:SPAM. Reverting. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 09:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

WP is NOT a place to put your personal website. Have a link to it, but not a million. Your userpage reads like a giaganitc advertisement currently. Mike _{(T C)} 23:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

You should have seen it before I removed most of them! - Just zis  Guy, you know? / 23:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Unequally yoked

Over the past 4-6 weeks, the Holy Spirit has continually reminded of the scriptures that command Christians to avoid being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Of course, they aren't just referring to marriage, but to relationships.

In the coming days, I'll be writing some articles on the problems with Misplaced Pages, but for now, I'd like Christians to consider how working closely with unbelievers to create entries on Misplaced Pages could be considered being unequally yoked. Here is a link to a Bible lesson I wrote on this topic. --Jason Gastrich 06:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

It's a free country, so I can't stop you from writing these articles (off Misplaced Pages, of course), but I would like to suggest that you don't waste your time. You came here, you violated policies, you were warned to stop, you didn't, and then you were issued an ultimatum. Don't go complain to your followers or whatever on your site; nobody likes a whiner. Just get over it. --Cyde Weys 06:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for witnessing and promoting your ministry/business. I'd ask you to read and abide by WP:NOT if I didn't already know that you'd just ignore the policy and continue on treating the project as your private ministry. If you're unwilling or unable to tolerate those here who do not share your faith you may find CreationWiki better suited to your agenda. FeloniousMonk 08:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I, for one, simply cannot wait to read these articles. No doubt, Jason will be portrayed as a victim of atheist persecution, Misplaced Pages as a den of iniquity and certain editors as minions of Satan.

And, Jason, I wouldn't want to be yoked to one so biased, hypocritical, hateful, spiteful, disingenuous even if it meant I could be saved from drowning in a vat of boiling oil. One last thing: I was raised by Christians, your behaviour, young man, has been, in my eyes at least, un-Christian. Jim62sch 16:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

You recently filed a Request for Mediation; your case has been not been accepted. You can find more information in the rejected case archive, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Rejected 1.

For the Mediation Committee, Essjay , Chairman, 12:04, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

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Incoming arbitration

Your presence is formally requested at your arbitration. Thank you. --Cyde Weys 18:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I've already said all I need to say. --Jason Gastrich 01:01, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I was just informing you of this RFAr as is required by the rules. --Cyde Weys 23:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Archiving my talk page

I'm not interested in archiving my talk page. I think I've made this abundantly clear. It's against Misplaced Pages's rules to require me to do so or to continually post links to an archive on this talk page. Please refrain from doing so, as this is a form of harrassment. --Jason Gastrich 01:01, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

You have made it clear that you don't want one. Your talk page, unlike your user page, is not owned by you. You are forgetting the RfC, and the upcoming RfA. It's not harrassment, so be honest about it. Harvestdancer 03:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Jason, you don't "own" the talk page. You don't "own" any page on Misplaced Pages. The only thing you own is the actual text that you write--and by posting it here at Misplaced Pages. you've engaged in a legal agreement to license your text to Misplaced Pages. By trying to delete the talk pages, you are interfering with copyrighted text that other people own, thereby violating not only Misplaced Pages rules, but copyright law.

Get. Off. Your. High. Horse. I am sick and tired of trying to witness to people and spending all of my time explaining "No, Christians aren't all self-glorifying idiots, but we're all human, so some Christians have problems with pride and stubbornness." Justin Eiler 03:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Legal and Christian issues aside, removing warnings from your talk page is a form of vandalism and if repeated will get you blocked (again) without having to wait for the RfAR. --Malthusian (talk) 09:25, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Moved comment from Talk:FeloniousMonk

Trolling me again, eh? And telling User:Chuck Hastings he is guilty until proven innocent? Over-stepping our bounds again, aren't we? --Jason Gastrich 01:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

It's your own missteps that have caused your issue here, evidenced by the fact that there's a specific corner of Requests for CheckUser dedicated to you and your imaginary friends. Given your extensive history of sockpuppeting here, you'll find that not many here are willing to assume good faith on your part any longer. FeloniousMonk 01:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The Hastings user page claimed he's from Australia. I'm willing to bet his IP isn't an Australian one, but rather similiar to a Jason Gastrich IP. Arbustoo 02:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

An offer to help

Jason, I see you are currently facing some controversy. I extend to you an offer of talk page chat, to help to you find an acceptable bible-based reason to avoid conflict here. I believe that by moderating your approach, you can remain faithful to your mission, while at the same time avoiding getting kicked off wikipedia. Adjusting your methods is what Paul was referring to when he spoke of "be all things to all people, so that might by all means, win some". Best wishes. Merecat 07:26, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jason Gastrich

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jason Gastrich. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jason Gastrich/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jason Gastrich/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Johnleemk | Talk 10:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

More Socks?

THIS, and THIS are both growing. I'm still trying to help, so listen - don't create sock puppets if you want to edit Misplaced Pages. Who do you think you are, Gastrich on Wheels? Harvestdancer 16:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Jason

After reading all the pages devoted to this situation, I am not happy.If I had known what I know now about this situation.I would have never gotten involved.Coming into the situation as I did at your request, I thought you had a good case for vandalism.But this is because I did not know of the pre-existing situation between you and the other involved editors, esp. the off wiki battles.You knew I was concerned about possible bias in limited situations on a few other articles.However the evidence suggest, this situation has more to do with your school than religion.Yes I still believe that religious bias,is a problem with some people. And also bias in regards to other subjects not related to religion.This needs to be addressed.But not like this.Do you understand the difference between a request for fair treatment and what you are doing? I also can't understand why you don't understand that this is not helpful to other Christians at wiki or elsewhere in the least.Rather it is harmful.This is not the proper way for a minister to act.This is just a website, don't you understand that? Even if you were given your way here, what happens a few years down the line if the project changes, ends or the rules change? Think it couldn't happen? Think again.This is the internet, change is the norm. You need to back up a bit and view this situation for what it is. Rather than acting like it is a grudge match.Yes there were some instances where you were wronged, but you can't complain because you engaged in the same behavior.This tit for tat war can't end well for anyone,including yourself.

To the other wikians involved in this I would like to say that what is going on here is not representative of Christianity or the Baptist Church, Southern Baptist or otherwise.California12 21:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)