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		For your willingness to deal with disputes regarding Sarah Palin, a topic which probably has one of the highest admin burnout rates on Misplaced Pages. Kelly 04:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Kelly, thanks :) Gwen Gale (talk) 16:56, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

email ping

Ding. You have mail... --Jayron32 06:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks like my email is down for now... Gwen Gale (talk) 07:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Pong! Gwen Gale (talk) 08:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Wpeditmanbob2

You blocked this user not long ago. However, I believe you should consider indef for this edit; I believe the user is a clear troll who doesn't plan on contributing to WP once their block is up.— Dædαlus 07:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw, socky. Gwen Gale (talk) 07:56, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

What makes you think it was a TFM sock?— Dædαlus 08:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

He dropped hints along the way, little breadcrumbs leading to his gingerbread house. Gwen Gale (talk) 08:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I contacted MuZemike about this on irc; turns out it was a sock of Access Denied (talk · contribs). I'll be taking this to ANI shortly.— Dædαlus 08:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

There's an odd link between those two. Gwen Gale (talk) 08:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I've created the thread, it can be found here.— Dædαlus 09:07, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I saw this thread at ANI and then looked into the situation with TFM, who I remember interacting with in a pleasant way a couple of years ago. I wonder what happened to cause that spectacular meltdown? Kelly 19:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Second opinion

I'm about 1 button click away from blocking Barts1a for a long time. You're familiar with him, I believe; would this be too drastic? --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:03, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I was there earlier today. Given the background, I thought this edit was beyond the pale. Then the rollback cluelessness and the "enemies list" thing on his talk. Whatever's behind his behaviour (he says he's "read the various policies" which brings up even more worries), today it all began to look willful to me. I'd take it to ANI for review either before or after blocking. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:29, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Now Heimstern has brought the same thoughts up at ANI. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer, I've commented there. Unless I hear some reasonable opposition, and assuming he's still unblocked, I'm going to block him indefinitely in a few hours. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I do think the need for doing that is all the waste of volunteers' time. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:20, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Q

Q. I saw on prBeacon's Talk page you said, "Calling other editors trolls is a wanton personal attack. You should take this as a warning, you can't leave this content in your userspace. Please clean it up now. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)" Well both prBeacon and Dylan Flaherty have just called me a troll on Dylan Flaherty's Talk page in a section called Redemption. Take a look at the circumstance--about as untroll-worthy as you can get. The question is, what, if anything should I or anyone else do about this? I am asking because I saw your comment I quoted above. Thanks for the advice, if any, as I know we are all busy. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 05:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

To be clear, I did not call you a troll, but I did agree that coming to my talk page to harass PrBeacon was an example of trolling. As an analogy, consider that people can do stupid things without being stupid. In your case, I recommend that you not troll, so that nobody will ever mistake you for a troll. Dylan Flaherty 05:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Your Talk page speaks for itself: "I'm going to go with PrBeacon's take on this and call it trolling. Please do me the courtesy of not posting to this page." Even now you say, "I recommend that you not troll...." Further, I did not come to your Talk page to harass prBeacon. Instead I was being very friendly. Yes, I made a deliberate effort to be friendly. We are supposed to edit cooperatively on Misplaced Pages. I was making an effort to be friendly in accordance with Wiki policy. It saddens me that you call that trolling on your Talk page and here, and harassment here. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 06:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't see it that way, but perhaps you can convince Gwen. Good luck with that. Dylan Flaherty 06:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

How do you see it? --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 06:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

You were gloating over the end of ANI which resulted in Dylan's topic ban. I advised him to take it all with a grain of salt. You latched upon this to deliver some pointy nonsense, much like your contributions to the ANI involving him. It's trolling. That's not the same as calling you a troll. Rather than looking for ways to excuse your actions, you might examine the actions themselves. -PrBeacon (talk) 07:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Read the Talk page again. It was not trolling. And saying that's not that same as calling me a troll is silly. As to your claim of gloating, I was not gloating. You say I'm trolling. I'm not. You say (I forget where) I'm a POV-editor on the SPLC page. I'm not. Dylan says above I'm harassing. I'm not. You say I'm gloating. I'm not. Anyone simply needs to read the "Redemption" section of the DF Talk page to see this for themselves.

Gwen Gale already said to you "Calling other editors trolls is a wanton personal attack. You should take this as a warning, you can't leave this content in your userspace. Please clean it up now." How do you think Gwen Gale will react to your coming to her Talk page and essentially flouting what she said by saying, "It's trolling"? To me, you have evidenced, right here on Gwen Gale's Talk page, that you have zero regard for her message. None. This is partly why I am here seeking advice from Gwen Gale. I had no clue you would come here and help illustrate the problem.

I am not going to write here for a while for real life reasons. If anyone leaves any further comments about me, I will be unable to respond. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 07:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't need to reread it, I know you over-react and misrepresent others' often to uphold your own distorted perspective. You post two negative comments at ANI about Dylan, inappropriately piling on there, then go to his talkpage for chitchat? Try to see how disingenuous that sounds. Perhaps this is the time for you to read up on willful blindness. Your attempts to re-frame what I said and then make such a bold claim here that I am 'flouting' what Gwen said, are beyond ridiculous. Get a grip. -PrBeacon (talk) 07:58, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• LegitimateAndEvenCompelling, once online feelings get stirred up, friendly chit chat (witty or not) can be taken as a blatant, sneering taunt. Text does not come across online like a voice. When dealing with someone who is upset or disgruntled (say, who thinks they've been done wrong), think of anything you post as likely to be taken wrong. Since you now know Dylan is likely to get way set off by anything posted to his talk page he doesn't like (never mind other pages), the easiest way to deal with that is, stay away from his talk page (this is not an admin "banning" you from there, though).

• PrBeacon, LAEC wasn't trolling Dylan's talk page. Only so you know (this is not meant to be taken as a warning or a chide): Never call other editors here trolls, even if they seem to be, to you. It'll make a troll gleefully troll more and make a GF editor gnash their teeth, both of which will take volunteer editors away from building articles. Sometimes, you'll see an editor call a behaviour trolling. It's slightly kinder than calling someone a troll but not much. Outside of an indef block notice posted now and then by a harried volunteer admin, the word only brings harm and wasted time to the project.

• Dylan, chill. I know you haven't groked it yet, but you've brought most of this on yourself. You'll not get you want editorially by citing civility rules, but you might get closer now and then by following them. I think you should take that "no post" list off your talk page. Not only does it smear those listed, but it will make other editors so wary of you, less likely to talk with you at all, for fear they'll wind up on the list or otherwise be wasting their time. That's why such a list is thought of as uncivil, not handy at all. So, begin by being civil and neutral yourself, you might be startled with how quickly things begin going more happily for you here. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Gwen, you're right. He was taunting, or so it seemed. -PrBeacon (talk) 09:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Email

Ping!— Dædαlus 08:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Just for fun, I'll pretend I don't know what that's about. Dylan Flaherty 09:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

No need to pretend. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

If you're going to pretend, why bother even posting?— Dædαlus 09:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC)