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Dear Lsorin,

Is it okay if i move your picture from habor of Goes to the Wikimedia Commens then also other Misplaced Pages's can use it. (I would like to place in the dutch version)

Regards,

DZ

Please do as you like.

Regards, LSorin

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World Air Games

WAG 2009 is not being held in 2008, so I'm not sure why you keep adding it to the 2008 article. If you want it there, you need to add a reference where we can see why a 2009 event is being held in 2008. Also, since this is the English language wiki, please add links to English-language web-page when they are available, which in this case, they are. Thanks! Franamax (talk) 21:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry! Stupid me. I think is to late and my brain doesn't work anymore as it should... Thanks!

No problem, I'm never all that sure my own brain is working right no matter what time of day it is :) I'm going to change the link you put on the 2009 page to point to the English-language page on the wag2009 website.

Also, it would be good if you signed your posts on talk pages by adding four tildes ~~~~ at the end of your text, they will automatically get converted to your name and the date and time. (Only on talk pages like this one, not in articles) And it's very nice for other people if you fill something in the edit summary field to tell them what you have done. I don't mean to lecture you, I see you've been here for awhile, just not very active. Cheers! Franamax (talk) 22:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiCookie

Getting close to 3RR

Here's a friendly warning that you are at the edge of the three-revert rule at Jet engine. I do not wish to see you blocked for a fourth reversion in 24 hours. Binksternet (talk) 22:27, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Lsorin -- you seem to be trying to wage a battle on multiple fronts (Jet engine, the history article, etc.) to include the Coanda 1910. Please stop trying to insert references into the article. The proper way to go about this is to dicuss it, as is being done on the Coanda 1910 page. -SidewinderX (talk) 12:50, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you please lock the articles then? As I said already I'm not going to edit anymore. I recognise that I'm a total ignorant of the Misplaced Pages rules and personally I received enough threats that tells me that in the end my personal safety is more important than the memory of Henry Coanda on a garbage site like Misplaced Pages. I don't know how to ask protection for articles and I don't trust Misplaced Pages personally anylonger.

Lsorin (talk) 22:27, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

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Hi Lsorin, the link you've posted on my page has just made me realise that all this kerfuffle has probably originated from a translation mistake: Coanda's engine was a Reaction engine, there is no doubt about that. "Reaction engine" is thought by the uninitiated to be synonimous to "jet engine ". The term was coined at the start of aviation history, when many different systems were used in reaction propulsion but, when the jet affirmed itself as the better performing configuration, the term "reaction engine" become synonimous in common parlance with the "jet".

Please do not leave Misplaced Pages because of the errors of others.  :) Brutal Deluxe (talk) 15:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Then what was wrong with the statement: "16 December – Henri Coandă's plane is the first jet to fly when it unexpectedly becomes airborne while testing the engine." from 1910 in aviation. Are we lost in translation again? A broken balloon is a jet engine as well then. Lsorin (talk) 15:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, a broken balloon is a reaction engine. I'm looking for more detail or plans on the Coanda engine so we can both see wether it was a jet or a ducted fan. One source calls it a turbojet, but it does not appear that Coanda expected the engine to emit high temperatures or shoot flames at all, as he had not provided protection against this. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 15:50, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

As I already explained in my last entry in Talk:1910_in_aviation. Is today's modern jet engine turbo compressor producing fast jets before the ignition chamber? Are they ducted fans? Are those jets coming from the compressor at high temperature or not? I really think that we enter area's nor me or you are specialist in. You need to be an engineer. I questioned as well Gibbs-Smith stuff as well. Was he a specialist in turbojet engines? Did he ever worked in a factory building such stuff? I think than we both can agree that be best expert in this was Coanda himself because he was working in the area later in his life as well. So could you please help me escalate this case to the Misplaced Pages administrators to get the protection against all this articles with the information blocked before Binksternet who started to mess up everything in here with his "expertise"? We really need a written material by experts which really analyzed all the aspects. Sadly again for this Wiki community is looks like the newest possible sources like the Romanian Air Force Museums which has most of Coanda's work is not trusted, because they are no knighted by Her Majesty the Queen. If this cannot be done, than, a least personally, I cannot really thrust this community. Thank you very much in advance! Lsorin (Lsorin) 17:33, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately it doesn't matter what we think, it's the experts that count. I would not use the Romanian airforce as a source because they are not an independent source, i.e. they are not neutral and obviously have a vested interest in claiming that the engine was a turbojet. In fact as there so many contradicting sources I would discard all the internet ones too, as they are all likely to be circulating info that came from WP. The one thing that is sure is that Coanda was trying to eliminate the dangers and downsides of propellers (as advertised at the time), wether he also came up with the thermojet principle is disputed, and it was certainly not a turbojet as the turbine was driven by a piston engine. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 10:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Please read What I added below.

Lsorin (talk) 12:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

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Coandă-1910

Hi Lsorin - Thanks for reconnecting with me. I'm not sure how much help I can be as I don't have any experience with airplane articles, but I can certainly give the article a bit of a cleanup... give me a little time. I noticed some things on the article's Talk page. The article is participating in a RfC (Request for Comment); that's good as it should involve more editors. It also appears to me (tell me if I'm wrong) that you are requesting editors to contact officials at external websites to verify details; that is not something we do. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:06, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Rosiestep - Thank you for the reply and the clean up in the Coanda 1910. I agree with you fully regarding all Wiki's editors knowledge in the area of jet engines and especially we completely miss the translation authority in a highly specialized area like this. As well personally I'm not an expert in any of this to areas: Wiki and Jet Engines. That is why I did not know about all this stack of rules the Misplaced Pages has (for instance: request to officials. I was just a ( I suppose ) normal Misplaced Pages enthusiast, until last days and nothing more nothing less, and personally I fell sad that such a great toll makes not sense any longer at least to me. Regarding my request in your talk page I did not explain maybe the whole situation clearly enough. So if you have the patience to read the explanation, here is it: My first entry in the English Misplaced Pages related to the Coanda 1910 subject was in 2007. Of course that entry got corrected in time with the correct English wording (BTW I'm not an English native speaker so please excuse my mistakes ). This is the moment I started to watch this page. Only that, not Coanda 1910 or any related articles. This entry was quite stable until in noticed the change from Binksternet on 16th of December. Of course this really left me completely puzzled and I started to try to correct it back. And than I've got to know whole mess created by the change of the Coanda 1910 article and all the other related articles to it and the interminable discussions in which I started to be involved as well. Now looking back, where this whole mess started by a the same person with two(three) accounts, Romanianlies/Romaniantruth(s) which exposes his xenophobic intentions motive for which he got blocked in the end. A suppose the Misplaced Pages tries to address in xenophobia at very serious level according to the international laws. Sadly, as I looked down the history of the changes of the and the discussions basically all the editors, even distinguished ones like Binksternet have been manipulated by this person. So that is why I proposed to:

• revert all the edits all the way back before all this xenophobic attacks started
• block (eventually) the Romaniantruth(s) editing rights to all related articles (except maybe for the discussion part)
• send to Binksternet a pink pen to note his books articles with question marks and buy him a ticket to Paris or Bucharest ( I will be really happy to do that personally )
• freeze the article like this as this was last clean entry before the attack and manipulations started
• add reference to new contemporary findings from this discussions like
• and eventually and a chapter like this:

"=== Documentation === Several aviation historians (e.g.Gibbs-Smith) and other areas experts (e.g. Frank H. Winter) have done at different points of time, brief investigations, contesting several aspects related to the Coanda 1910, for instance the powerplant and the flight of December 1916. As the very large ( we can add for instance the statement that 800Kg of documentation exists at Romanian Academy and National Air Museum ) amount of documentation related to Coanda 1910 of different times and covering a multitude of sources, from different fields like, patents, engineering, metallurgy, fluid (jet, streams ), thermodynamics, aerodynamics, etc are very contradictory especially regarding the technical terms, as during 100 years history the terms used in all the documents, invented, explained and aligned in different languages (English, French, Romanian ). Until new studies about this very interesting airplane the assumptions stay as they are."

Lsorin (talk) 12:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Just noticed, on the same topic, the same person messed up Traian Vuia's related articles, during the same xenophobic attack. Lsorin (talk) 20:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Old Usernames

Hi Lsorin! Just so you know, when a username is changed on Misplaced Pages, the old name stays up in an inactive state. This is standard practice, and It's only a violation of Misplaced Pages rules to use more than one name in a deceptive manner. (see: sockpuppetry) I'm sorry you believe I'm manipulating all these editors to do my bidding, but I can assure you that this is not the case. If I had such powers I'd be using them to dominate the world and make all humanity tremble before me. Or maybe I'd just go into politics. Since I'm a Republican, these two things would actually be pretty similar.Romaniantruths (talk) 06:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Romaniantruths/lies! As you've seen my proposal above I've very open for a decent dialog. What I really want is some stable pages looked or protected ( they were quite stable for the last 3-4 year until you started to edit ) and clarify all this mess in a civilized way and than we can put the conclusions in web. Regarding my accusations of xenophobia, looking at the history of your accounts, (BTW do you have some other edits in Misplaced Pages with other account names?), it is clear the you especially targeted to Romanian aviation pioneers. Keep in mind that Hitler was doing the same, he targeted a particular nation and their values and than manipulated minds of the whole Germany in you know very well what. If this is true than it looks that you found the proper medium in Misplaced Pages, to exercise your manipulation skills, as the editors in general don't really think widely enough to understand the real implications their, afternoon in front of computers, own actions. If this is is no true, than I really apologize and let's be neutral from the beginning in all this discussions and not start arguing that RoAF archives are more or less relevant than the RAF archives, because this will lead us back to square one. --Lsorin (talk) 09:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

And two more questions: Are you an aviation historian? Second could you please leave the political agenda of what ever party you belong to out of the discussions? Misplaced Pages is trying to list fact in the most neutral way possible that is way is it still a foundation, not a company not a governmental agency. Personally I'm agnostic to politics and military. I have never been in any army or governmental job. --Lsorin (talk) 09:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC) First things first. My line about my fellow Republicans and world domination was a joke. As a liberal member of a very non-liberal party I strongly disagree with much of what has happened both nationally and internationally since 2000. I forgot that you might not hear much of what happens in this country since you live in a distant land with your own concerns, both national and international. Secondly, I'm not at all sure why you would ask me about my professional background. I haven't asked you, or anyone else on Misplaced Pages about theirs because the editing protocalls on this site are about reliable references, not professional credentials. Indeed if I were to tell you that I am an aviation historian, or combustion engineer, or aeronautical engineer, and point you to books I had written or scholarly papers I had published, it wouldn't make much difference since original research is not accepted here. These books or papers would be given no more or less weight than if they had been brought up by any other editor, regardless of his or her personal qualifications. I am pressed for time right now, and will be back to address your other concerns later. Romaniantruths (talk) 18:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Lsorin, Your remarks about Hitler are fascinating. I didn't realize he had an interest in the history of aviation, let alone that he was involved in extensive discussions about this internationally. I'm afraid I don't know exactly what Hitler's amateur researches into aviation history led to. Did he make some important discovery about early flight? I noticed above that you've been getting threats and are concerned for your own personal safety. This is a very serious situation! Such threats are not tolerated on Misplaced Pages, and it is your clear duty name these people who have been threatening you, and report them. But don't be frightened; if they don't live in Romania you're probably safe. Romaniantruths (talk) 03:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Removed PROD

I've removed your PROD on the Coandă-1910, as it's most likely ineligible for PRODding. Notability is not an issue, as you basically admit in your PROD statement, and I don't see any other issues that warrant deletion. As such, I'd seriously recommend against and AFD as fruitless. This is primarily a content dispute, and deltioiuns are not the way to handle those issues. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 06:47, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Yesterday night I build an airplane in my courtyard Lsorin-2010. The powerplant is jet engine working with bananas. You put bananas in the engine and the airplane is flying. Can I add this article to Misplaced Pages? I have pictures of bananas as well. I don't have a picture with the bananas jet streamed behind the engine! I'm wondering if the Coanda effect applies to bananas as well.

Ok, now trying to be more serious. There are two ways to continue:

1. We accept Gibbs-Smith as reference. That means the Coanda-1910 is and irrelevant plane in the history of aviation from his own saying: "There can be no doubt that the important source quoted in the 1956 article was either indulging in a friendly leg-pull, or was suffering from a faulty memory. However, the 'jet' Coanda was certainly remarkable in its way, and deserves a somewhat modest place amongst the ingenious ideas that were unworkable in practice." – Charles Harvard Gibbs-Smith (1960). The Aeroplane: An Historical Survey of Its Origins and Development, pages 220–221. London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office. BTW Coanda 1910 does not have a single entry in Encyclopedia Britannica. In this case this article is a very good candidate for deletion. (Like my banana airplane example)

2. We do not take Gibbs-Smith as a trustful reference a we continue with the main assumption which made this plane important in the history of aviation: "the plane with the first jet engine!". As I explained above to Rosiestep I accept to add a "document" chapter or however you want to call it and we add Gibbs-Smith and those references contesting the main fact!

Please select one number! After that we can continue the discussions in a decent way! Until that I will keep the Article as PROD, so more people can see the mess created in here. --Lsorin (talk) 16:22, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

A PROD is not an AFD - once a PROD has been remove, it's not to be restored. You have to take it to AFD it you want to pursue further deletion. - BilCat (talk) 16:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you please help me take the AFD?

--Lsorin (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd genuinely like to, but I have difficulty doing it myself. - I'll see if I can find someone to help you with it. - BilCat (talk)

Thank you very much BilCat for help! I already tried and I made a mess ;).--Lsorin (talk) 19:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion nomination of Coandă-1910

It looks like you're trying to get Coandă-1910 deleted but are having trouble getting the deletion discussion started. I think you're getting screwed up with the diacritical mark above the "a" in "Coandă", which is essential in this process. Another problem is that "see __ discussion" is not a valid rationale for deletion and you're likely to get a lot of responses of TLDR.

Can you concisely tell me why you want this article deleted? If it's within the deletion policy I'm willing to assume good faith and help you out. I should note, however, that the talk page discussion right now is not supporting deletion. —KuyaBriBri 18:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the reply! Let's see how the discussion goes. I was trying to build up the consensus in the talk page. It looks like the guys disagree with the Step 1, so basically the need to deletion in not any longer relevant. Anyway now the question is why the plane is important in history as without the jet engine, in does not even make sens to have it in. Anyway I will contact you immediately personally when needed. Thank you again! --Lsorin (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the edit war continues. I'm repeatedly asking Romanianlies/Romanianthruths to participate first to the discussions and then do the edits, but continuously my requests and my questions are ignored. Is that another way to handle this case? --Lsorin (talk) 16:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

There are a few things that can be done. First, I'm going to request full protection of the page due to the ongoing content dispute. If an administrator agrees that the situation warrants full protection, no one other than an administrator will be allowed to edit the article while the protection is in place. And generally, an administrator will only edit the article after careful consideration, including whether the proposed edit has some consensus. Second, I'm going to place a request for some additional eyes on this at WikiProject Aircraft.

For your information, the full dispute resolution process can be found here. I see no reason yet to escalate this issue beyond where I already have, and you ought to know that making complaints about the same issue through multiple venues is considered "forum shopping" and is highly looked down upon. You also need to know that name-calling (e.g., "Romanianlies") is a violation of WP:NPA; consider this a first warning, and if it continues I will report you.redacted comment; did not realize that this really was Romaniantruths' old username

Please note that I am not taking anyone's side in this dispute, and I will be informing the others involved in this dispute that I have left this comment here. —KuyaBriBri 17:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you again! I'm very happy with your neutral approach. I have really had hard times getting some administrator attention more deeply in this topic and the Consensus build up discussion which was tried in the talk that was mostly ignored. So I really hope that the discussion will continue in a really neutral manner. --Lsorin (talk) 17:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

re: Vandalism term

On the Coanda-1910 discussion pages. Please remember "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism". See also Types of and What is not and in the latter how to deal with it. Accusations of vandalism could be taken as personal attack contrary to NPA. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Combative use of old username

Please stop using the disallowed name of Romanianlies when referring to User:Romaniantruths. Such continued needling is combative and not collegial. Binksternet (talk) 17:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk page etiquette

Hello, Lsorin. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 05:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

1RR at Coandă-1910

You know that the article Coandă-1910 has been limited to one reversion per editor per day. Along with the limitation is the requirement for editors to explain each reversion on the talk page. This reversion of yours restored the category motorjet which has been deleted by others as not applicable because a motorjet has combustion in the airstream. You must explain your reversion or be blocked for violating the new article rules. Binksternet (talk) 13:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

As you know very well from the discussions, Coandă-1910's powerplant is accepted by some historians as a motorjet and by some not and called just a simple ducted-fan. According to NPOV both claims should be presented equally. So the decision is yours: we keep it in both categories or we removed from both, but we cannot have it in one single category.--Lsorin (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Take your concern to Talk:Coandă-1910 or be blocked for 1RR violation. Binksternet (talk) 13:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

My concern was taken to there for the last month, as you very well know and you very well ignored the consensus build up. Should I be blocked for following the WP:GEVAL?--Lsorin (talk) 13:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Take your concern to Talk:Coandă-1910 or be blocked by User:Amatulic for violating the injunction at Talk:Coandă-1910#1RR for ALL editors. Debating the issue here will not satisfy Amatulic. Binksternet (talk) 14:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Addendum: Lsorin, I feel your edits have been overall worthwhile and constructive. However, you have three times in the past 24 hours re-inserted words such as "monoplane" that have been met with objection by other editors. While your concern may be valid, please realize that edit warring will not get the version you want into the article, no matter how good your intentions are. My 1RR notice was abundantly clear about what would happen if anyone makes more than one revert in 24 hours. I did not want to block you, but now that the rules have been laid down, I must enforce them. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:43, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

So how can I escalate my case?--Lsorin (talk) 19:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I have asked several times proposals from the other editors, for adding the 'monoplane' word to the article as it is a WP:REDFLAG for the whole Jet Engine story of Coanda-1910. I did not get a single proposal. My edits were not Reverts! Please check the history! Other users have done reverts on the article. My edits were just different forms of adding the exceptional information ( as per WP:REDFLAG ) into the article according to the discussion on the topic. Why I have the feeling I'm the only one trying to be neutral in this article? I really fell there is a conflict of interest as well to some extent.

Decline reason:

Repeatedly adding a word that others have removed is a form of reverting, see WP:3RR.  Sandstein  19:34, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

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Lsorin: If you did not get a single proposal supporting the addition of the word "monoplane" to the article, but instead got your additions reverted multiple times, there comes a point where you must respect the consensus and move on to something else. You are reverting when you repeatedly re-insert text that has been removed multiple times. Others have made reverts also, yes, but not multiple reverts in 24 hours. If I am mistaken, please point out other 1RR violations and I will take appropriate action.

Also, you are failing to abide by the policy Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith if you feel that you are the only neutral contributor.

When your block expires, you are welcome to continue making constructive contributions as you have been doing. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:16, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

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Request reason:

First of all a need to add at least the WP:AAGF to the beginning. I don't know all this Misplaced Pages rules like other decorated editors against my edits in the Coanda-1910. I have asked several times from the other editors to propose a way to present a very important aspect of that article in the 'Flight' magazine. As usually my requests in the talk page are just ignored by some of the editors my assumption was the "agreement" was reached and I just added the text as I believed it made sense according to the discussions! As an example I just removed the name of the article author in this edit, as one of the contributors complained about the presence of the author name in the article (change not necessary, makes sentence more complex, and strictly its Flight' that makes the report'). On another topic I'm really wondering about the conflict of interest topic as only one administrator is active in this article and always his is in very good touch with my main opponent editor. Please check his talk page for details. As well that particular user is constantly trying to block my edits WP:PERSONAL with all kind of special rules of Misplaced Pages which I'm not a real expert of, like my opponent. Especially when I started to participate in this particular article editing I asked help from several Admins just being in the end ignored, still having the hope that this particular policy WP:NEWCOMER is really working. I still have hard time to understand why my edits are considered reverts or vandalism. If there is still some admin which understands the disaster created by the current content of this article for the credibility of Misplaced Pages in general ( Coanda-1910 is generally accepted as the first jet aircraft, and only two authors have tried to prove with some very selected information like this "selling of the plane" that is was not a jet) than I will ask that the article is put again to the blocking state for another month and add the expert-subject tag and POV tag back to the article or just block me for ever in editing anything in this Wiki as anyway I'm just ignored by admins with any kind of request for help. For instance how can I escalate this discussion for higher forums in Misplaced Pages? Personally I need to get convinced that my request is not relevant in this particular case! The selling of Coanda-1910 is a very exceptional claim used by the aviation historians to prove that Coanda-1910 was not even tested. According to the WP:REDFLAG: Exceptional claims require high-quality sources. The major problem with that source is that it cannot be proved that is a high-quality source as the author is using the term 'monoplane' referring to Coanda-1910 biplane! This as well is the only article supporting that claim; claims that are contradicted by the prevailing view within the relevant community, or that would significantly alter mainstream assumptions, especially in science

Decline reason:

• You are blocked for edit warring. Whether your edits were more correct than others is not relevant.
• You have been editing Misplaced Pages for over five years, so you should be aware of a basic policy like the prohibition on edit warring by now
• In the future pursue page protection and/or dispute resolution instead of edit warring
• Repeatedly referring to other users as your "opponents" is suggestive of a battlefield mentality, something that should really be avoided

 Beeblebrox (talk) 21:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

• As I explained I did not consider my edits as reverts. Just a conclusion to the discussion. Especially some users stop commenting at some point this is why I consider that my edit is an agreement. You can see for yourself that the last entry on that topic was mine. My assumption was that the conflict ended, as I did not get any more a reply.
• If you checked my editing history in Misplaced Pages, did you had the patience to see that I was never in this kind of conflicts with anyone, so until last 2 months ago I was a total ignorant to all this rules in which the other editors as experts on. I did ask help from the beginning of this dispute from all kind of users and with very few exceptions, I was just ignored. Anyway I promise that after this article is fixed, I will never add a single line to any Misplaced Pages article, as I become very disappointed to see how much ignorance is presented by its own active users ( including myself ).
• I asked protection already once. I asked it again now. According to WP:DR I tried consensus build up, which was just ignored by the other editors.
• How can I call an editor which is just personally attacking my edits? Just check the entries in my talk page. One of the editors has just something personal against me. Please check as well the latest section I added to my talk page. I think, I have done as much I could humanely do to avoid the "mental battlefield" with that particular user. I did not attack him personally ever, like his is constantly doing with his permanent block requests.--Lsorin (talk) 22:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

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Amatulic, I just noticed your entry now. In the talk page I could not get convinced that the mistake in that article is not relevant. Help me to escalate that to other forums. Is the WP:RSN the correct one? The last time I put there something the admin watching it just left it up in the air. Is there another forum? About the revert stuff I still don't understand what was the Misplaced Pages rule you have used for blocking. I explained above why I did not considered my edits as reverts. Can I escalate my concern with this revert stuff anywhere?--Lsorin (talk) 20:43, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Lsorin: The 1RR restriction is clearly stated every time you try to edit the article, and also stated on the talk page at Talk:Coandă-1910#1RR_for_ALL_editors. It does not matter if you don't consider your edits as reverts. The simple fact is, you repeatedly re-added text that was removed by others, willfully ignoring the apparent consensus. Your actions were reverts by any definition. I know you were doing this in good faith, but at the same time you were ignoring the 1RR restriction. The resulting block was inevitable.

You can discuss the subject of reverts at Misplaced Pages talk:Edit warring. You can also complain about my action at WP:ANI.

Also be aware that repeated unblock requests, as you are doing, may be viewed as WP:TENDENTIOUS and result in an extended block. I suggest just waiting it out. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

As I explained already my understanding that the "apparent consensus" was reached that is why my edits. What is that "apparent consensus" in your opinion

At least at some point the user TransientVoyager has done an outdent :

Comment: I don't know when the term 'sesquiplane' was coined (maybe later than 1910?); however, it is simply a biplane with unequal-sized sets of main wings, but still a type of biplane nevertheless, so referring to a sesquiplane as one is not incorrect; merely imprecise, and Oiseau could be forgiven for doing so, especially if the term was not in existence at the time. But confusing 'monoplane' with 'biplane' is another matter entirely – very odd!--TransientVoyager (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC) Even odder when you consider the French equivalents for the terms are 'monoplan', 'biplan' and 'sesquiplan' – it's not exactly rocket science!--TransientVoyager (talk) 10:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

In wondering as well why the removal of the word 'monoplane' by Binkstenet is not considered as a revert?

When ever I will be able edit again I will take this "blocking" issue to the forums you proposed. Thanks for that! I still have some little hope that, we can do some constructive work here, but it would be nice to see some third opinion and not destructive as started by RomanianTruths sometime ago.

About the WP:TENDENTIOUS I will be waiting for getting unblocked, but still I'm very sad that nobody when want to understand that I have no intentions to impose a particular idea. I'm just trying to correct lies stated on this article against the main stream. As well I ask you now to block the article again, as solve this issues in the talk page as this revert rules I see in this Misplaced Pages talk:Edit warring forum are anyway very unclear and controversial by themselves. (Who did the revert me or Binskternet?)

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Please check my reply to your decline Beeblebrox.

Decline reason:

Unfortunately you just don't seem to get it. You are still saying "I did not consider my edits as reverts", despite the fact that it has clearly been pointed out to you that returning essentially the same statement to the article is reverting, whether you consider it so or not. You also say "...some users stop commenting at some point this is why I consider that my edit is an agreement. You can see for yourself that the last entry on that topic was mine. My assumption was that the conflict ended, as I did not get any more a reply." The idea that whoever has the last word in a discussion has "won", and can now ignore the opinions that others have already expressed, is absurd. If people have made their view clear they do not have to keep on coming back and repeating the same arguments over and over again just because one tendentious editor repeats his opinion yet again. To take the view that anyone who does not come back and repeat their opinion in this way must have retracted their opinion makes no sense at all. If you sincerely cannot see that, then it is not clear that you will be able to act in accordance with consensus, and so giving such arguments in your defence is more of a reason for extending the block than for ending it. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The same attitude as the rest of the administators. Did you JamesBWatson even tried to look to the issue? I made my view very clear about the 'monoplane' case. What else is needed to make it more clear? Could you please convince me that my 'opinion makes no sense at all'? About the extending of the block, please do it! Block me forever and you can remove my account altogether as you are one of the Gods of Misplaced Pages! I did asked this many times. At least I will be happy with myself that I have tried everything possible to correct the lies written in a public site about Coanda-1910. Then I can present my case to whoever still believes that Misplaced Pages is a "reliable" source of information.--Lsorin (talk) 09:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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About "Assumption of good faith"

As I'm not able to edit the talk page of Coanda-1910, but everybody reading this page can see how much "Assumption of good faith" has Binskternet to my edits. My last entry statement "This work is reflected by additions to the powerplant related patents on 3rd of Decemeber." is a free translation from a secondary source . On page 31 there is this entry: "Dupa închiderea oficiala a salonului a fost transportat probabil într-unul din atelierele lui Bayard, unde Coanda a mai efectuat câteva modificari pe care le gândise în prealabil. Una dintre aceste modificari a vizat turbina. Pledeaza în favoarea acestei afirmatii completarea la brevetul de inventie Propulsor solicitata de Coanda la 3 decembrie 1910." which translates aproximately in English: "After the official closing of the salon was probably transported in one of Bayard's workshops, where the Coanda has made some changes which he had thought previously. One of these changes aimed the turbine. Advocates in favor of this, the addition to the "Propulsor" patent the claim requested by Coanda on 3rd of December 1910." At least, unlike Binsksternet, I'm trying to find sources supporting my edits, not just copy-paste Winter's very "neutral" approach on Coanda-1910. Winter in his "neutral" approach is never talking about the later additions to existing patents nor the exact dates when the claims were made! --Lsorin (talk) 21:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

My conclusions about the Coanda-1910 are formed by the references I find, and it is an ever-expanding, ever-developing conclusion. I do not come to the article with my conclusions already cemented in place. I weigh sources by their verifiability and reliability.

The secondary source in your link has no author listed, and no footnotes showing where the information came from. It does not measure up to Gibbs-Smith and Winter who are well-known scholars on the topic of early aviation. Winter definitely wrote about the 1910 patents and the 1911 patents, comparing them to conclude they were substantially the same. Winter wrote: "Again, there are absolutely no changes in the specifications. All are identical, save for language and legal differences. This is a most important point, as will become obvious later." Later in his 1980 article, Winter notes that Coanda had "ample time" to rewrite his patent applications for their May 1911 filing. Winter discusses how Coanda recreated his patent drawings in 1965, adding new features not seen in the 1910s. He says that Coanda (and his fans) assert that Coanda made changes to the aircraft engine in November–December 1910, and that these new changes were what made the aircraft flyable. Winter says this is complete rubbish, that Coanda would have changed the patent applications filed in May 1911 to include his notional new developments from five months earlier, "major" developments that would have been "crucial" to the practicality of the design, "yet the essential details remained the same as in the original French specification."

I have JPG images of this article, scanned from print, for any who contact me by email. The ten images are 500 to 700 kb each. Binksternet (talk) 00:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Again you are talking about your personal conclusions. Misplaced Pages is not for personal conclusions. I told you several times. Make your own website for Coanda-1910 and put you personal conclusions there not in a public site. Again you are trying to change the focus of the readers to your own biases views. I would be really happy to get a had of Winter article from you "juvenile non-fiction" library to see how neutral is the author in his approach to the subject. I think for Gibbs is very clear already as you did never comment.--Lsorin (talk) 11:33, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Again I have to write on this page as I'm blocked for not so clear reasons, against the latest statements of Binsksternet in the talk page. In the patent at paragraph 10 of the second page there is an entry stating: Les perfectionnements qui font l'objet de la presente invention ont ete presentes dans leur application a l'appareil Coanda qui ete expose a l'exposition de la Locomotion aerienne d'october-november 1910. In free translation to English: The improvements forming the object of this invention, have been presented as application to the Coanda device, which was exposed at "l'expositionde la Lomomotion aerienne" of october-november 1910. Is this enough to state that the additions releated the plane presented in this article which is now a kind of a "copy-paste" of Winter, which stated that the patents are identical?--Lsorin (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

About Hartmann

Again because I'm blocked for unknown reasons I have to write here my comments. I hope that some administrator can see the garbage written by Binsksternet in the talk page of Coanda-1910. Hartmann is a very know French aviation historian expert in Pierre Clerget and Clément-Bayard which has done extensive work on the related subjects with access to the French archives of Clerget Collection and Clement-Bayard. This childish accusation of Binskternet have no place in Misplaced Pages. His preferred sources Winter and Gibbs, which the whole current article is biases for, are as well "juvenile nonfiction" ( Winter's account). Then about the so called, "translation" made by Binskterne to what Hartmann has written he is trying to manipulate the readers once again to his on biases view. The correct translation from French:

" <<picture>> Jet biplane Coanda with engine 50 hp Clerget presented at Salon of 1910.(Clerget Collection).

The jet airplane of Coanda

The Romanian engineer Henri Coanda (1885-1972) remains famous for having conceived in 1908, constructed and experienced in 1910 at the Clement-Bayard the first jet-propelled airplane. The device works as such: in front of a fuselage a turbine of 60 cm in diameter, driven by the engine via a gearbox mounted upside down (1 800 engine turns, 4000 turns the turbine), shoots the air sucked through the annular space surrounding the engine; the air strikes a deflector with a section profile as the wings and generates in front a <<vacuum suction>>. The intake air and the propelled air are mixed with exhaust gases which contribute partially the effect of reaction. With 4-cyl 50 hp Clerget rotating at 1800 rpm, the surge at fixed point is only 17 kg at 4000 rpm for the turbine, but Coanda's account it pulls at 24 kg in flight. In December 1910, after the presentation of his revolutionary vehicle at the Salon de l'aeronatique, Henri Coanda is experimenting on the Issy-lex-Moulineaux airfield. The power is too low for the take-off of his machine, but would stay in the air once launched. This experiment has the merit to prove that the solution works perfectly. He would have had to turn the turbine to more that 7000 rpms to have get enough force, at the risk that it explodes.

<<picture>> Coanda jet aircraft at Airshow 1912.(The Aérophile)."

Regarding Hartmann's account it might be based solely on the documentation he had available from Clement-Bayard archives and Clerget Collection. As Coanda already explained later in his statements, the adding of the asbestos plates and the injectors and burners were done during the experiments and that is why they are not present in the Clement-Bayard's archives or Clerget Collection. Hartmann states only what he found in the archives, without any personal interpretations unlike other historians like Winter and Gibbs-Smith.--Lsorin (talk) 08:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Again I hope that some administator can see my comment her and take it to the talk page of Coanda-1910. GraemeLeggett is asking the editor to contact directly Hartmann. When I tried to contact another aviation historian on the subject, I was told by Rosiestep that is not alowed by the Misplaced Pages policies. Which one is true as I started to be puzzled now?--Lsorin (talk) 11:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

With another hope that some admin will see my posts. Who is Hartmann: The free translation from:

Biographie de l'auteur

Gérard Hartmann est membre de la commission Histoire, Arts et Lettres de l'Aéro-Club de France, il est devenu un spécialiste de l'histoire de l'aviation française des débuts. Il a publié de nombreux ouvrages.

to English:

Author Biography

Gerard Hartmann is member of the Committee on History, Arts and Letters from the Aero Club of France, he became a specialist for the early history of French aviation. He has published numerous books.--Lsorin (talk) 14:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Rosiestep didn't say that contacting people isn't allowed. There is no policy that prohibits you from contacting anyone. However, you would not be able to use your personal communication as a source, due to the Misplaced Pages:Verifiability policy. Personal communication isn't verifiable. Anything you cite should be published. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:44, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

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I updated the template. I hope it is ok now. Thanks for letting me know.--Lsorin (talk) 08:27, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I hope your fair use rationale is suitable, it's a valuable image to have in the article – "a picture is worth a thousand words." I've never been able to get my head around the complexities of tagging images so I can't be of much help here, but I notice there is a note within the rationale warning message which says Please remove this template if a rationale is provided – now you've provided one maybe that is what you should do to prevent its deletion, Melesse would be qualified to say.--TransientVoyager (talk) 17:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Jet engine

This edit is egregious. Not only are you repeating yet again the "Coanda 1910 jet" claim, but you've done it directly after a definition of jet engine that states fuel combustion to be a requirement, the most obvious point on which Coanda fails to be a jet.

This is outright POV and edit-warring, still. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Andy, I hoped that I don't need to repeat myself. You, me and Binsksternet none of us is an aviation historian. If Boyne, Stine and other aviation historians discribed it as a "termojet" who the heck are we, to say the opposite? Not to have Coanda-1910 listed in the history of the jet engine is a POV!--Lsorin (talk) 10:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

By all means list it in the history. No-one is arguing against that. However, as expanded at WP:AN/EW, what you listed in that history is a problem as it makes quite unsupportable claims. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Back at WP:AN/EW

Your additions to Jet engine and History of the jet engine.

Raised at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Lsorin_reported_by_User:Andy_Dingley_.28Result:_.29 Andy Dingley (talk) 11:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that! I did not know about that forum. I hope that my account will be blocked permanently or erased from Misplaced Pages to prove how biased it is. My guess is that your entry will be ignored, but I have some hope anyway! ;)--Lsorin (talk) 13:13, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Lsorin, you are being ridiculous. If you don't want involvement in this article to the point of asking to be blocked permanently, why not instead simply exercise some restraint and work on some other area of Misplaced Pages, or voluntarily limit yourself to a 1RR rule? Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project. If some part of it causes you stress, why not move on to another part?

Permanent blocks are reserved only for editors who rampantly disrupt or abuse the project. You aren't a vandal-only account, you aren't a sockpuppet, you don't post spam, you don't make legal or personal threats — at worst you forget about WP:AGF, WP:NPA, and WP:CONSENSUS from time to time, infractions that merit only short-term blocks (which, ironically, you contested vigorously last time you earned one).

Sorry, but you don't qualify for a permanent block, no matter how many times you ask. Banning yourself from this article voluntarily is currently your only option if you don't wish to be involved anymore. If you want to get official about it, I suppose you could prevail upon ArbCom to impose a topic ban on you (as only ArbCom can make that determination), but they are likely to decline. ~Amatulić (talk) 02:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I explained on the talk page. Personally I get sick when I see that the first link in Google send us to Binksternet personal synthesis of Coanda-1910, a guy which refuses to go to any aviation museum, but has a "foremost" book in his little library, full of lies, on which he is sustaining his edits. So until I don't see a book demonstrating that Coanda was indeed a liar, I will still be sick to see the disaster made in this article :(.

No back to round Earth. Can you give me an example of me breaking the WP:AGF? Did I personally attack you? What about WP:NPA2? You know very well who "promoted" me for blocking.

About WP:CONSENSUS lets try it here again, only the two of us, as you did no want to participate before:

Please add below:

The point view of the majority on aviation histroy regarding Coanda-1910:

<please add your view here>

• Sources supporting the above:

<please list some sources here>

• Sources disagreeing the above:

<please list some sources here>

As well please take the case to ArbCom even that it will be rejected. I want to see really some senior staff from Misplaced Pages looking at this case, as we are starting to tamper with some government laws.

Thanks in advance!--Lsorin (talk) 08:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

—slakr 17:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I would like to get to know what rule of Misplaced Pages I did break this time? The reverts were all explained on several talk pages. Several other rules are violated by other editors as well regarding, Coanda-1910 but without any kind of impact. This is definitely a violation of this particular administrator slakr against the conflict of interest. For more details of the disasters made to this article check the Extended content of this discussion. And another little fact: what does it mean the status Result: declined then 1 week. What kind of "Gods" of Misplaced Pages are in charge of this mess? I started to fell like Galileo Galilei trying to fight against the all mighty "Gods" of the society regarding this Coanda-1910, but still I'm not the only one. Special edition for the hundred years since Coanda-1910 was flown in Paris was shown at some TV stations: .

Decline reason:

Unblock requests that attack other Misplaced Pages volunteers will not be considered. --jpgordon 19:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I ask the question again: Can I be please directed to the Misplaced Pages rule that I was breaking to be blocked? Jpgordon?

Decline reason:

Looks like this has been explained to you at least three times now, what we are looking for is an unblock request that shows an understanding of the policy on edit warring, and that indicates either how you would avoid edit warring in the future or provides a valid, policy based argument indicating that you were not in fact edit warring. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Simple. You were warned about edit warring; the result of the report on the 3RR board was to decline action so as to give you the benefit of the doubt; you seized upon this as justification to continue your edit warring; you were thus blocked. It simply is not acceptable to repeatedly insert contested material if you've not been able to gain consensus for it on the relevant talk pages. --jpgordon 19:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Obviously I can't speak for the admins, but I see the problem like this:

• Most of this is a content dispute. No sensible admin would wish to be drawn into that.
• There are "reliable sources" that diagree. There is no single "right" answer, at least not one that we can access. Even so, most of this disagreement between the sources (Boyne is the obvious case) is itself subjective interpretation (e.g. categorization as a jet or non-jet), rather than claims of fact (e.g. did it lift off the ground).
• Your editing behaviour has been to reject consensus between other editors. I think there is some agreement that the aircraft should be listed, and there are ways to word things without claiming anything definitively that can't be supported with equal certainty. I'd certainly favour this. However your actions have not been conducive to achieving such agreement: you've rejected compromise wording as too weak, then you've edit-warred such that other editors are no longer interested in compromising.
• Your recent edits to Jet engine were not just content disputes, but were demonstrably non-factual. Some details of the aircraft remain unclear, but some are known - singling one out, the fuel injection issue. To place your claim into a paragraph that states this definition (i.e. jet engines burn fuel) when we do know that this wasn't the case here, is to claim something that is definitively sourceable as incorrect. It's just a false claim of proof by association. You might have been edit-warring before, but you definitely were after this.
• Your attitude to other editors is unwarrantedly hostile and accusative. Unblockers are unlikely to accept a guarantee of future good behaviour from someone making such outlandish claims.

Andy Dingley (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Both of you Beeblebrox and Jpgordon as sending me to WP:EDITWAR. Maybe my English is not good enough, because I cannot personally find which point from that Misplaced Pages rules page I did violate. Please cite for me from that page that section and I will try to translate it to my native language to understand it. BTW I just noticed this entry in the beginning of that page: This page in a nutshell: Don't use edits to fight with other editors – disagreements should be resolved through discussion. Can you please explain the slakr action of blocking my account in that light? Maybe my missing English skills, trick me once again.

Andy we have been discussing this Coanda-1910 bullshit for too long to start pointing now sources from the net. You know very well that Coanda-1910 is mentioned in several Jet engine history books. You cannot deny that. If Not, I will make again the effort to list those sources (Boyne articles books,Gunston books, several aviation history symposiums etc) here. My edit 2 days ago in Jet Engine, was to list the Coanda with its controversies as well ( basically Gibbs, Winter even than those can be considered speculations as they have no real proof those demonstrate that Coanda really lied ). So this is all what I wanted. The history is is full of this kind of shit and Misplaced Pages is not the place to make it strait. The history is as it is with Coanda a liar for some. You action was just to remove it. And then you are just accusating my right now: However your actions have not been conducive to achieving such agreement: you've rejected compromise wording as too weak, then you've edit-warred such that other editors are no longer interested in compromising. So please propose for consensus, an entry for the Jet Engine and History of Jet Engine in NPOV mode including Jet Engine History bibles like Boyne's and Gunston's.

Then regarding the whole thing about the engine and the afterburners or the missing of those. I will give you another very simple example, if you would even try to consider it. Not a single source from 1910 describes that the thing described in the patent called "Improvement to propellers" was placed in any duct! There is not a single picture inside the cowling, as Stine called it, to demonstrate that the thing described in the patent was even connected to the Clerget engine. So every single scholar of Coanda, even Anotoniu with his 3D reconstruction, just guessed. Gibbs and Winter are even worse because they call it a simple ducted fan. Sorry but at least we two, can agree that is was not a simple ducted fan, if we consider that the "thing" from the patent was installed in a duct. So, the only descriptions are Coanda's drawings presented later. The case is the same for the afterburnes: exactly like the duct and the placement of the compressor in the duct was not described in the patents, the same is for the afterburners. Even then if I will try to consider him a liar, I really have hard time understanding how in rooms full of jet engine experts and aviation historians in London when he was made honorary member of the Royal Aeronautical Society or presented with the key of city of Paris as the father of the jet engine, there was no a single guys asking the same questions like you today? As well witnesses of his tests like Voisin and Caproni were alive and very well at the time which makes me wonder again, why they never jumped to say that Coanda was lying all the time about that device he constructed and modified some 40 years earlier. And about consensus, I proposed again the same consensus build up like before, to Amatulic ( just check before the blocking on this talk page). With my WP:AAGF, I beg you to join! I hope that you agree, that at least I was not proposing any voting there, as other editors.--Lsorin (talk) 21:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppeting?

Are you sockpuppeting as 86.123.19.10 (talk · contribs)? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

You are suspected of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Misplaced Pages accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Lsorin. Thank you. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Neglecting to log in to evade a block isn't quite the same thing as using multiple accounts to evade a block. In any case, the IP address is also now blocked. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

No, we treat it exactly the same. This isn't a blocked username, it's a blocked person. --jpgordon 17:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

OF COURSE! Please block the whole Romania as I have accounts everywhere in Romania! Please take the case to higher forums or remove my account, as you all just ignore any kind of decent request I make! This is already a ridiculous joke!--Lsorin (talk) 19:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Whatever admin is reading this request, please send it to higher forums for checking. I'm really having several accounts in Romania, France, Belgium and some other countries in which the mainstream celebrates Coanda-1910 as the first jet-propelled aircraft in the world. Exactly sockpuppeting is my every day job nowadays. So please block all those countries for editing in Misplaced Pages! Hopefully this way some decent "god" of Misplaced Pages will take my requests for building consensus and the request for being shown what rules I did broke, seriously and not just ignored.

Decline reason:

This unblock request does not address the reason for your block. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

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I've tagged this image for why it can't be replaced. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

File:Coanda propeller - reconstruction.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Coanda propeller - reconstruction.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've sent an e-mail to 'permissions-en@wikimedia.org' for further clarifications. Personally I don't care if the picture is deleted or not. My only goal was to improve the quality of the article by giving the reader a visual representation of what some specialists believe the cowling of Coanda-1910 contained.--Lsorin (talk) 10:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

As the other images have, it seems, had OTRS permissions recorded for them, is it possible to do the same for this one? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I made a fair use argument for keeping the image. However, I agree with Andy that OTRS permission would be the best way to go. It's a good image and the article would benefit from keeping it. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Coanda-1910

Yet again, you've added the contentious "The Coandă-1910, designed by Henri Coandă, was the first jet-propelled aircraft. " as the first sentence on the article. You do not have any support for this claim, certainly not in that position. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

What is the mainstream about Coanda-1910? And let's move the discussion to the talk page. Thanks!--Lsorin (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Now raised at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Lsorin_reported_by_User:Andy_Dingley_.28Result:_.29 Andy Dingley (talk) 16:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

January 2011

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

And I will add to this the warning that the next time you are found pushing this agenda against existing consensus, there will be a much longer block. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)