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| :I'm OK if you want to include the fact that "Italy has the 47th highest Homicide Rate in a group of 62 countries, and the 43th highest number of rapes in a group of 65 countries", as long as you don't delete anything else. As for the story by The Telegraph, it is a bit of a non-news, as the article then goes on to describe how the claim is aimed to distract attention from Mr Berlusconi's troubles (while also mentioning his alleged involvement in the mafia). It also doesn't mention the source of the 9% claim. The pdf by Confesercenti is still more dated than the Censis report, and also makes the point that (page 2) by 2008 the mafia was taking '''160.000 Euros a minute''' from honest shopkeepers. ] (]) 01:47, 21 April 2011 (UTC) | :I'm OK if you want to include the fact that "Italy has the 47th highest Homicide Rate in a group of 62 countries, and the 43th highest number of rapes in a group of 65 countries", as long as you don't delete anything else. As for the story by The Telegraph, it is a bit of a non-news, as the article then goes on to describe how the claim is aimed to distract attention from Mr Berlusconi's troubles (while also mentioning his alleged involvement in the mafia). It also doesn't mention the source of the 9% claim. The pdf by Confesercenti is still more dated than the Censis report, and also makes the point that (page 2) by 2008 the mafia was taking '''160.000 Euros a minute''' from honest shopkeepers. ] (]) 01:47, 21 April 2011 (UTC) | ||
| I think is better specify in the article that the Mafia controls between 7.0 and 14.6 % of the GDP, with the two sources. | |||
| It looks fair. ] (]) 02:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
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Mistake.
Italy ,allowed by Italian Prime Minister,didn't guest Pershing rockets but Cruise rockets in Sigonella. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.117.139 (talk) 16:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC) Italy tried to colonize Ethiopia but it did not work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.13.91.135 (talk) 19:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Fifth or sixth most populous?
Is Italy the fifth or sixth most populous state in Europe? Russia has some 142 million inhabitants, Germany has some 82 million inhabitants, Turkey has some 78 million inhabitants, France has some 66 million inhabitants (63 million in metropolitan France), the UK has some 62 million inhabitants, and thén you have Italy, with some 61 million inhabitants (the numbers used are all provided by the relating Misplaced Pages article). A simple calculation shows that Italy is the 6th most populous country in Europe. There are always people not willing to include Turkey, for they consider Turkey to be an Asian country. I need to remind them that Turkey is a transcontinental country, as is e.g. Russia. So to exclude Turkey, but to include Russia seems rather arbitrary, wouldn't you agree? And Cyprus and Malta are almost always considered part of Europe, but in fact, they aren't.
So, unless Italy can whip up another one million inhabitants within a short amount of time, I reckon it only fair to leave it like this. The moment Italy has surpassed the UK in terms of population, then, of course, it can (and should) be changed again. Robster1983 (talk) 10:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
About the oldest university in Italy
University of Bologna is rightly considered the oldest private university in the world but Italy also hosts the oldest state university in the world: the University of Naples Federico II, established in 1224. You might want to add this piece of information to the article. Liviacolare (talk) 22:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Note 1
What is the connection between Repubblica Italiana and note 1?
Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
- It gives the translations of ‘Repubblica italiana’ into other languages spoken in the country. At least, that’s how I read the footnote. Ian Spackman (talk) 15:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
- Well, that would be a sensible and useful thing for it to do, certainly. But what I am seeing is this text: "According to Mitrica, an October 2005 Romanian report estimates that 1,061,400 Romanians are living in Italy, constituting 37.2% of 2.8 million immigrants in that country but it is unclear how the estimate was made, and therefore whether it should be taken seriously." Maybe I'm dumb, but I just can't see the relevance.
Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
- Well, that would be a sensible and useful thing for it to do, certainly. But what I am seeing is this text: "According to Mitrica, an October 2005 Romanian report estimates that 1,061,400 Romanians are living in Italy, constituting 37.2% of 2.8 million immigrants in that country but it is unclear how the estimate was made, and therefore whether it should be taken seriously." Maybe I'm dumb, but I just can't see the relevance.
Highest point
"The Apennine Mountains form the peninsula's backbone and the Alps form its northern boundary, where Italy's highest point is located on Mont Blanc (4,810 m/15,782 ft)."
No. Mont Blanc is in France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.105.104 (talk) 08:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
No. Mont Blanc is shared between Italy and France. In Italy it's called "Monte Bianco". --Conte di Cavour (talk) 15:50, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Crime
I disagree with the latest attempts to whitewash over crime's role in the Italian economy. The Guardian ref should definitely be kept, as it mentions Censis data and is more recent than the Confesercenti one from the NYT. Violent crime affects the economy of all countries. I feel there is also space for a mention of the high rates of insurance fraud and tax evasion. Mayor of Yurp (talk) 18:04, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The New York Times source is reliable. If counts 7% of GDP, affects less than 13 million people. I think is important to show that Italy has the 47th highest Homicide Rate in a group of 62 countries. If you count the 200 countries in the World, Italy will be in the group of 50 countries with less homicides. GustoBLSJP (talk) 00:25, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- The 13 million figure is indeed true, as evidenced by the more recent paper "Condizionamento delle mafie sull'economia, sulla società e sulle istituzioni del Mezzogiorno", a more recent source than the one given by the NYT. see this page (in Italian) Mayor of Yurp (talk) 00:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I will cite that Italy has the 47th highest Homicide Rate in a group of 62 countries, and the the 43th highest number of rapes in a group of 65 countries. Ok? GustoBLSJP (talk) 00:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I found this source http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/6957240/Italy-claims-finally-defeating-the-mafia.html, from the Telegraph UK. Here it says 9% of the GDP. GustoBLSJP (talk) 01:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
This PDF http://www.confesercenti.it/documenti/allegati/2008sosimp.pdf (Italian) GustoBLSJP (talk) 01:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'm OK if you want to include the fact that "Italy has the 47th highest Homicide Rate in a group of 62 countries, and the 43th highest number of rapes in a group of 65 countries", as long as you don't delete anything else. As for the story by The Telegraph, it is a bit of a non-news, as the article then goes on to describe how the claim is aimed to distract attention from Mr Berlusconi's troubles (while also mentioning his alleged involvement in the mafia). It also doesn't mention the source of the 9% claim. The pdf by Confesercenti is still more dated than the Censis report, and also makes the point that (page 2) by 2008 the mafia was taking 160.000 Euros a minute from honest shopkeepers. Mayor of Yurp (talk) 01:47, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I think is better specify in the article that the Mafia controls between 7.0 and 14.6 % of the GDP, with the two sources. It looks fair. GustoBLSJP (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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